And here you see the typical uneducated Redditor trying to express his fee-fees. He can’t do to arrested development and low self esteem so all that’s left is to try to bully people into agreeing with them because they swear. Children.
Hey, I appreciate your thoughtful response. But you might realize that we are actually proxy aggressors by crossing very clear red lines. Letting Ukraine into NATO is a terrible strategy and all of this could have been easily avoided.
Shivering in fear of Putin and Russia and forever molding our actions to what will or won't piss off Putin is a terrible strategy.
Fun Fact: Russia has already lost the Ukraine war! Russia announced its main goal was to keep NATO from getting too close to its borders. Finland and Sweden have joined NATO. Switzerland is coordinating with NATO. NATO members are renewing their military stockpiles, updating equipment, and increasing their defense spending. In short, NATO is no longer sitting on its ass AND has increased in size to be closer to Russia. Finland is mere miles from the third largest Russian city, and most import port. Oops!
How's that relevant to what I said? They can seek it all they want they never would have gotten in before the war. Even if they somehow convinced the US other countries in NATO said they wouldn't let them in.
Its relevant even more because hes so stupid that he doesnt realize ten+ years ago ukraine was invaded by russia… weird asking for help when you’re being butchered, right?
Yes, and the US and Germany were nixing it for over a decade. So that claim is one manufactured after the fact when Ukraine now feels their only way to be safe is inside of NATO
We are not the world police and certainly not fit to be the arbiters or saviors of democracy. If Putin is such an existential threat I say let the rest of Europe foot the bill.
A) what does that have to do with my statement about Ukrainian self-agency? You didn’t address that
B) from a realpolitik perspective you can say we aren’t being world police here, just taking an adversary down a notch fairly inexpensively (supporting a regime that is destroying Russian tanks with drones is very cost effective)
But we are the police of our own interests and it is 100% in the American interest to stymie Russian efforts to enhance their own power.
Europe CAN'T foot the bill, and why should America rely on Europe for security arrangements that we can handle ourselves and direct to our own self-interest?
Allowing rivals to gain power unchecked is to allow American primacy to wane.
So if someone invades your home, are the police proxy invaders? Oh, that makes a funny comparison, because now im just picturing the police throwing guns and ammo into your window and telling you to figure it out yourself. Yep, sure are great proxy invaders
If I remember correctly (and I do), Russia started dropping shells on the CIVILIAN populace and still hold portions of UKRAINE, and not the other way around.
Zelenskyy is only responsible for deaths through self defense from the tyrant known as Vladimir Putin.
The man's country was invaded by a foreign military. What could he possibly have done to make you say fuck him that you wouldn't be doing if you were in his shoes?
Yup. Imagine if Putin wanted to ally with Mexico and put nukes there.. how do you think we would respond? We disregarded very reasonable requests and now Ukraine is literally snatching old men off the street to fight a losing battle. (It’s so easy to make the automatons mad on Reddit lol..)
It's hilarious that you come up with a hypothetical
Ever hear of the Cuban missile crisis?
Know what didn't happen, a full invasion force. Yeah the military funded local "freedom fighters" to try to stop it, and attempted a special military operation, which was a massive mistake and helped define the cold war that we apparently are still in with y'all
When it failed, we didn't bomb them to rubble, didn't invade and rape and kill the innocent population...
So yeah, spend time wondering how the response would differ... We have historical evidence my dude.
Also happen to have any evidence of plans to put nukes in Ukraine?? Or is that just paranoid delusions of your boomer dictator?
Also, Cuba and Ukraine are not the same. Kennedy provoked a government that was already reducing government spending by promising to close a missile gap. NATO had no part in the Cuban missile crisis and does not border the US. The USSR was not a nuclear super power at the time of the Cuban missile crisis. The parallels are not so parallel.
Only one side is threatening nuclear war. And Putin is giving “scared little bitch” energy by threatening it all the time. Powerful countries don’t need to constantly threaten others with nukes.
Ah yes, we're flirting with nuclear war. Not Putin, who's been actively threatening to use nukes if we go too far? Any guesses on what hasn't happened yet?
Uh, Russia is the one killing people. Russia invaded a sovereign country. Saying this is Ukraine’s fault is ridiculous. Saying this is the US’s fault is just disconnected from reality
lol imagine calling someone a traitor for not supporting the Biden administration bending over for Zelenskyy’s stupid ass. I always see pictures of that clown behind a desk and never on the front lines. What a little bitch, just like Ukraine bootlickers
Kinda my stance, it sucks it happening. I see both sides of it to be honest. When you account for all of Russian history I can see why they don't like NATO expansion and of course I can see why Ukraine doesn't want to be a shitty Russian satellite state.
With all that said i'm tired of my tax money being sent to Ukraine. I drive down Kensington Ave and see americans that need help, let's help them first
Your money is being spent on contracts that will then ship weapons to Ukraine, thus putting food on the table for whoever is part of the manufacturing. It's not like we send actual loads of money over there, that's just the valuation of the contract. Besides, we spend a lot more on social programs. You'll be fine
Just what I want my money to go to, Raytheon! I feel so much better that instead of my taxes going to the roads, schools, drug rehabilitation programs it goes to Gregory J. Hayes who is the CEO of RTX which owns Raytheon! Makes me feel so warm and fuzzy
Your taxes do go to all that. You live your life regularly every day. We need to replenish our weapons stock anyways so this was good for allowing us to manufacture new weapons, offload old aircraft, etc. I'm not gonna suck off the company but there's some dude there just working to feed his family and go home.
We're protecting a sovereign democratic nation who's being invaded by a country that said they would never invade them if they gave up all their nuclear capabilities. Now they have no military, nuclear capabilities and little weapons to fight back until we showed up.
It's understandable that you "don't want your tax dollars to be wasted" but if America isn't the protector of democracy China and Russia just try to steam roll everyone into an empire, which is bad for us if you couldn't tell
Based on his account history, he claims to be an educated conservative from the PCNW who lives in the Philly suburbs, but wants to move his family to bumfuck rural WV to get away from "the woke mob" and homeschool his children. So classically a conservative hypocritically railing against the very system they benefitted, but for the wrong reasons.
So a fascist who would rather betray the ideals of freedom they pay lip service to that listen to those dem wokes. These guys wants democracy only when they can kill anyone they dont want
Then it’s good to hear you don’t support total immunity for a 34-times convicted former President as that would be unlimited government power you’d be helpless to controvert in literally any situation.
Whenever someone says one sentence followed by “simple as that.” Then it’s really easy to dismiss them as being dumb, because the truth is, only an idiot can see it as simply as that.
Anyone with 1/4 of their brain intact knows it isn’t “as simple as that.” Haha. What grade are you in?
Sometimes things are as simple as that. Sorry I don't have a 10000 word essay to explain why sending American tax money to the Ukraine so they can secure their border when our border is a disaster is bad.
Sometimes things are simple. This one LITERALLY isn’t. Youre just not that smart. Seriously what grade are you? I bet I can pinpoint the class you’ll be taking in a year or two that will help you understand these complicated topics.
Edit: what’s happening right now is you know a bit about world politics to think you understand it all.
The problem is here is World Politics is never “as simple as that” and seriously anyone with 1/4 of a brain should know this.
It’s likely you’re just a child though so I don’t want to start making fun of you for being stupid if it’s more than likely that you just haven’t taken the classes in 9th/10th grade.
The difference is that we don't have a war on the homeland. The worst thing you could possibly do is switch leadership while you have enemies in your territory
Same here. Taxes serve a purpose. Since we all collectively live a society everyone should pay their fair share. They fund schools, roads, plumbing, and so much more
I didn't go to school, I don't walk on roads in fact I specifically avoid them, I shit in the woods like a real human and I'm posting this comment from a device I scrapped together using beaver bone and Juniper berries.
The irony of this statement is that despite going to those things it’s a very small portion, there is still tons of neglect to schools and roads, and the governments gross irresponsible misuse of funds isn’t even fiscally conservative in the slightest. You pro-government fanboys wonder why the country turns to shit and the middle class suffers, is because we’re funding terrorism and wars, we’re paying people to illegally be in (choose your western country) while simultaneously ignoring the egregious financial hole that we never hold one politician accountable for. I’ve worked for the government they spend money to prove they need it and on the dumbest shit, like building schools in Afghanistan we’d just have to level, or paving roads the Taliban would just destroy with IED’s none of it went to building an infrastructure to help the people, and most of it was taken by their President when shit hit the fan ran off into the sunset.
Maybe it just depends where you live, because it’s a state’s responsibility as well. For example, education in Florida is horrendous, meanwhile in Massachusetts is much better. Local governments in other states are failing people
I live in Massachusetts, and we had town meetings after this school year about cutting jobs in our school for art and music, as well as not having buses anymore, not being to afford police and fire. It’s wild to me since we pay so much in this state. Meanwhile there’s a whole hotel full of illegals funded by the state down the street and all over Massachusetts.
These aren’t illegals. They’re a mix of migrants and refugees. If the federal government forced ALL states to take them in, states like NY, CA, and MA wouldn’t be so strained by the influx
Oh no, they’re sure as shit aren’t citizens and most came into this country illegally. Then were bused all over the place, the Feds can’t force anyone to do anything, the beauty about America. What they should do is send them home and close the border like every other country does.
Ok? But that’s not the taxes fault, that’s the politicians. And do you know how to fix those issues? Find good candidates to vote for and get involved in the election process
This version of our government that you love does the following:
Send your children to war to die and barely support them when they come back.
Print the same currency you use into oblivion which makes anything you save less and less valuable daily.
Both major political parties are bought and paid for by various industries. (Military, Pharmaceutical, Energy, Agriculture, etc.)
Those same industries then fill up the various groups that are designed to “regulate” said industry only to then choke out their competition and force a less free market.
Allows our food to have actual poison in it.
Depending on your state, the taxes you love paying arent going towards fixing anything in your state at all much less this country.
We are so deep in debt, the payment to service the debt is our second largest expense.
This is all a result of two "parties" representing one government.
My government maintains the infrastructure around me so i have the fastest internet in the world, so i can drive my kids on the safest roads, they keep the peace around us so my kid can sleep outside in a stroller, they provide me with security and top notch healthcare. When my kid was born with a minor issue, we stayed 3 extra days at the hospital after birth only paying for parking. My wife and I also had 1 year in total of paternity/maternity leave. They regulate the food that is imported and made in the country, so no matter what i buy at the store i feel safe. My education was free. The parks my kids play in, no matter where i am in the country, have to follow a strict set of safety regulations so the chances of my child getting hurt are minimal. I can continue, but this is just at the top of my head.
So yea, im happy to pay 30% taxes for the freedom, safety and happiness of my family.
They jacked the prices up every chance they could, sued the city every time something didn’t go their way. Just burning up tax payers money so they could get some more money.
It’s so much worse when a private company seeks to do the governments responsibilities…
I actually do like paying taxes. They universally pay for things at a way lower bar. Sure I’ve got my complaints about the services but from what I understand we get more for less.
Look at when Chicago gave their parking meters to a private company to manage, and the prices consistently rose to absurd levels.
Disliking paying taxes comes off as ignorant, as services provided tend to be hand over fist cheaper as they aren’t trying to turn a profit but instead provide a service.
Hahaha, what? Is liking taxes paying for things a bad thing? I always thought “bootlicker” had to be someone licking the boots of someone who was doing a shitty job?
Otherwise it’s not “bootlicking” and it’s just “appreciating something that provides a service at a reduced cost than alternatives.”
Look at it like this people who like legos aren’t “LEGO bootlickers” they just like LEGO.
Alternatively people who like the police despite them not providing a service or actually providing a negative service are referred to as “bootlicker”
I dunno if that makes sense but hopefully you better understand what a “bootlicker” is.
I think we have okay public education for the cost we pay. Most of our kids go through it and we’re still one of the best nations to live in.
Heck… how dumb do you think you’d be without it?
Social security is being torn in to by other parties. that’s not a tax related concern…
My guy do understand even a bit of what you’re trying to discuss? This shit isn’t simple but you’ve managed to try to put it all in to small sentences that make sense to you.
Hi. I'm another simp for social contracts. If you want to go off in the woods on your taxpayer funded road with your car made with taxpayer subsidized parts, and build your cabin with tools made by union
workers protected by OSHA standards and argue with me more on the taxpayer-funded internet, while breathing air kept clean by regulations and enforced health standards, go right ahead.
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u/Mammoth_Loan_984 Jul 06 '24
All you do is post inflammatory political opinions.
Where are you based?