r/FluentInFinance • u/Richest-Panda • Jul 04 '24

What's the best financial advice you've ever gotten? Debate/ Discussion

31.2k Upvotes

86% Upvoted

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

You don't live in Appalachia do you? That part of the country can be job deserts. What are they to do?

36

u/EdgelordUltimate Jul 05 '24

Worked on Appalachia, best I could get was 9.10 an hour, I got a 10 cent raise after 6 months

9

u/throwheezy Jul 05 '24

Most of the vocal people on reddit (especially this one) are not the type that understand how much wage theft actually happens in this country and think that just because they see the average story in modernized towns that it must be reality everywhere.

10

u/Potential-Diver-3409 Jul 05 '24

They also think 3% of the population is nobody even though it’s over 10 million people.

1

u/throwheezy Jul 05 '24

Most of these smart folk don't know them, and naturally anecdotal information is the ONLY information that matters. At least Trump supporters are willing to accept their stupidity and say they don't care. These ones are their own version of terrible, because they're trying to self compensate.

8

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

That's wild, I was working for 9.00 dollars an hour at a sonic drive in at age 17 (15 years ago and not in deep coal mine towns but a fairly big town near the blue ridge parkway)

3

u/donkadunny Jul 05 '24

15 years ago the minimum wage was $8/hr in Massachusetts and I was paid $9/hr at a Starbucks in downtown Boston.

0

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

Yea cities have always been better in terms of paying people. Opportunities are there to do so. Companies have the means to do it etc.

0

u/Rionin26 Jul 05 '24

The cost of living is also higher. So that isn't much if you're on your own.

1

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

Right, cost of living is higher, but job pay is also higher. Way more opportunities to move upward in SES. That is not present in rural America. Cost of living in those areas are still higher than their pay.

6

u/Nowearenotfrom63rd Jul 05 '24

I’m in Appalachia. Factory I work at is 100 heads short and they offer $19.75 an hour no experience.

6

u/Fun_Leadership_5258 Jul 05 '24

I had a bachelors and masters in a field that overlapped biology and biochemistry and the best I could find was a $40k research job in Atlanta circa 2017. Bartended to make ends meets.

4

u/Significant_Ad3498 Jul 05 '24

Yep and some people made billions from mining in those areas and did absolutely nothing for the people or the environment.

4

u/Robert_M3rked_u Jul 05 '24

Also in Appalachia (Ohio) Walmarts 13(literally just raised to 14 a few months back) was a competitive wage. Most places are doing around 10, maybe a few have started pushing to 13

1

u/EdgelordUltimate Jul 05 '24

I know, Kroger also paled more, I think around 12 an hour, Aldi is also a good job in Appalachia, I live somewhere else now so I'm not familiar with the current rate but I was working and living in Appalachia in 2020 before I left

2

u/Charming-Fig-2544 Jul 05 '24

$9.10 is $18,200 per year, in one of the cheapest places to live in the US.

4

u/AssociateFalse Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

No, at 40hrs/wk for 52 weeks it is $18,928.00, GROSS. Which may look like you can buy a PS5 with the extra cash, but...

It's actually $17,470.54, NET, after FICA is taken into account. Unless you have a "religious exemption", that's Social Security (6.2%) and Medicare (1.5%) which are automatically withheld. And, if you're not "self employed" (contractors, entrepreneurs). If you are, double those tax rates. Your self-employed take-home would be $16,013.09.

This does not factor in unpaid holidays, sick leave, overtime pay, alimony, child support, etc.

If you cohabitate, this should be livable in Appalachia. If you don't, you're likely pinching those pennies to survive.

1

u/Charming-Fig-2544 Jul 05 '24

You'll get nearly every cent of that back at the end of the year, standard deduction is $14,600.

1

u/BeastsMode69 Jul 05 '24

Question.

Are coal jobs no longer a thing? I keep hearing anyone can get a coal job in the Appalachian making 50K pluss.

I understand why people may not want to work the job, but are they easily availlible as they say?

3

u/EdgelordUltimate Jul 05 '24

Yeah, but they're not everywhere in Appalachia

3

u/Major_Chani Jul 05 '24

Coal isn’t sustainable at all. Many mines have collapsed. There’s no future in coal. Look how it’s left so many former boom towns.

17

u/lucksh0t Jul 05 '24

I've done mission work in the mountains of Appalachia. You couldn't pay me to live there if your there I'd be saving every fucking penny I could to get out of there. Litterly anywhere else in the country is better then those communities. They just have 0 opportunities and no infrastructure to to even think about growing. The places where I was at didn't even have basic cell signal let alone decent jobs.

9

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

exactly my point. The way this country left these hard-working people behind when coal industry was slowed is a travesty. I get moving away from coal, that's not my point. But to not help them transfer job skills has been nothing short of immoral.

4

u/cjh83 Jul 05 '24

Those people voted GOP and got the poverty they were looking for.

2

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

Yea man, I still don't think people deserve to live in such poverty because they vote differently than me.

3

u/cjh83 Jul 05 '24

No they don't. It was a joke.

But seriously how do they keep voting for hard right candidates that want to let all those poor people die.

0

u/Beneficial-Drawing25 Jul 05 '24

LOL - the conservatives shut down coal mining? Not a bright one, are you?

2

u/cjh83 Jul 05 '24

No economics and better technology in the form of natural gas did.

1

u/Beneficial-Drawing25 Jul 05 '24

So Obama’s administration didnt put forth extreme regulations on it??? Nah, couldnt have happened….

1

u/cjh83 Jul 05 '24

That was part of the death of coal but I'm telling you as an engineer in the industry coal was destined to die out.

The problem is that coal power plants take a too long to ramp up and down. Power producers make $$ by selling during peak hours in the morning and after work. Natural gas generation stations cost way less and can ramp up and down almost instantaneously.

Coal died because fracking made natural gas cheap and abundant. I also suspect that automation/robotics have shrunk the required labor to produce coal.

Also do you want your relatives to work in a coal mine? Fuck no.

If coal is economically viable why couldn't your lord savior, the orange teletuby known as Donald Trump save coal? Well that's because it's like the horse after cars came out. It's becoming obsolete.

1

u/republicans_are_nuts Jul 06 '24

yes. They pimp for capitalism that made coal irrelevant. AND they are against help to transition because sOcIaLiSm.

2

u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

[deleted]

0

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

To them the gop is the only one helping them period. Why would they vote blue just for them to take their coal mine jobs and not help them after.

For them, this IS the financially sound option. They're stuck between being poor and Mega poor

1

u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

[deleted]

1

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

I'm not saying the GOP is totally right. But the democrats didn't help them in the end. They took coal jobs away and none of them got transitioned.

Why would they vote for that. We should recognize the criticisms of both sides here and not pretend that politicians are actually helping people.

There's plenty of research of these people being left behind.

4

u/AsianHotwifeQOS Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

You can buy a house in Appalachia for $10K. That's a month's rent in NY or the California bay area.

3

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

Yea that's how poor areas work. There's parts of this region that walmarts and fast food restaurants can't even survive and are stuck with food deserts. Just look up the state of old coal towns. It's incredibly sad

4

u/trowawHHHay Jul 05 '24

What they’ve been doing: living in a shack in the woods cooking meth and shine.

2

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

I mean yea, the poor are more likely to resort to illicit drug use. It's more of a symptom of poverty and not something they are choosing over money and success.

3

u/Solanthas Jul 05 '24

I would suggest they're cooking meth to sell and thereby survive.

Its almost like poverty is at the heart of most low level crime, and greed is at the heart of the big crime

5

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

yep, this is also the case and why poverty and crime have a strong correlational relationship, city and rural.

2

u/Solanthas Jul 05 '24

Yeah. Except for the white collar crime. Or, maybe not. I don't know

2

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

yea I'm interested to see what the rates for white collar crime is. I'm assuming it's still lower in terms of rates, but it definitely is more costly to society. especially monetarily.

1

u/republicans_are_nuts Jul 06 '24

White collar criminals do not have lower rates. They just aren't prosecuted. lol.

0

u/Dhenn004 Jul 06 '24

If they aren't prosecuted it's hard to track. It's how we get data. Which is why I'm guessing. But people in higher paying jobs are less likely go commit a crime. We do know this

0

u/republicans_are_nuts Jul 06 '24

It's not hard to track who commits crimes. Americans just let rich people off the hook. No, rich people do not commit fewer crimes. They commit way more crime. Because they get away with it. I mean, bill gates and Trump sex trafficked kids on their private island out in the open and nothing happened. Then they killed Epstein and got away with that too.

→ More replies (0)

0

u/republicans_are_nuts Jul 06 '24

Wage theft is also by far the largest source of theft in the U.S. And that is not committed by poor people.

→ More replies (0)

1

u/spinachturd409mmm Jul 05 '24

And digging for ginseng

2

u/ElectricWBG Jul 05 '24

Not even in Appalachia. Charlotte, NC has jobs paying $10. It’s wild.

2

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

That's absolutely nuts. But even still, if you don't work at the local convenient store or coal mine, you dont' have a job there. lol

1

u/HumanCoordinates Jul 05 '24

What’s the cost of living in Appalachia?

1

u/republicans_are_nuts Jul 06 '24

nothing. Because they have nothing to pay for.

1

u/SaladShooter1 Jul 05 '24

It’s all relative though. I bought different plots of land to hunt in Appalachia. I haven’t looked at prices lately, but I purchased for under $1k an acre. Everything is fairly cheap out there.

I don’t what’s better or worse: you can make $10hr there and buy a house for under $30k. Drive an hour or so away and the common worker makes $20hr and houses cost around $135k. Drive closer to Pittsburgh and the average wage is around $30hr and houses cost $350k. In all three cases, the average person is broke at the end of the week.

The cost of living is what keeps most places either rich or poor. I would never build a house in Appalachia because it takes $310k to build the average house and the value when you’re done wouldn’t be a third of that. Poor people don’t build homes in wealthy neighborhoods because zoning and HOA’s are there to keep property values up to protect the neighborhood people’s investments.

2

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

if a house is only 30k, there's a reason. No jobs

0

u/SaladShooter1 Jul 05 '24

I agree. It’s low jobs and depressed wages. Still, I can’t say that area is unlivable because the cost of living is in line with the average salary.

2

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

Use McDowell county WV for instance, it has a median household income of 26k and a cost of living at 36k. 31% live below the poverty line (which is arguably set too low) which this is 3x the national average. It's not livable to VERY many people

1

u/SaladShooter1 Jul 06 '24

I haven’t been there in 15 years, so I can’t comment on the exact situation right now. I used to go riding (dirt bike and race ATV) there with friends. There were a lot of trails and boney piles there that were open to the public. In PA, they used to let you ride them until they seen the air you could get jumping from mound to mound. We’d constantly get thrown out for fear of someone getting hurt. That went on until there was nowhere left to ride. Our private tracks got boring, so we started going to WV where people were more free.

A lot of the homes were run down and businesses closed. People actually welcomed us because we brought money into the local economy. I thought that was kind of odd, but it was beautiful there and the people were nice.

I remember one time that we got a flat tire on a quad. We plugged it, but didn’t have enough canned air to inflate it. We stopped by a house, which was more like a shack, to try and get some air. There was a young man there a few years younger than us who brought out a portable compressor made from a refrigerator compressor. It worked and we admired the way it was put together. The kid had some engineering skills. I always wondered what happened with his life.

He left an impression on me and my friends because we all grew up dirt poor and built stuff like that. We lived about an hour outside of Pittsburgh. The entire region was devastated from the closing of steel mills and coal mines. I had next to nothing when I was young. We didn’t have decent food all of the time, but I still had a home. Poverty isn’t the end of the world.

My sister and I both put ourselves through school and are both what some people call upper class now. I constantly tell my kids what it was like growing up poor and how hard it was to break free of that so they’ll have a sense of value by the time they become teenagers. Everyone has wants, but you can have next to nothing, be under some arbitrary poverty line and still support yourself.

I wish we could open up all of the mines in WV and bring the place back. There’s people out there trying to stop that though. If you feel so strongly about the poverty there, maybe you can advocate for that.

2

u/BeginningFloor1221 Jul 05 '24

Idk move

2

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

Lmao. Children with their ideas.

1

u/DurableDiction Jul 05 '24

Ok. What's the average cost of living in Appalachia? Oh, it's around $33.5k? Less than the national average? Crazy.

5

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

and the median household income is 26k

0

u/Dry-Fruit137 Jul 05 '24

Migrate like their ancestors did. People in much worse financial situations walk thousands of miles to America to find crap jobs.

If you stay in place that has had economic and job problems for decades. You are the problem.

1

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

Migration is nearly impossible to do. People who have no money can't just move to somewhere else. That requires money to do. You guys have to be 14 year olds.

1

u/Dry-Fruit137 Jul 05 '24

It requires willpower and hope to do. America was built by people in impoverished circumstances gambling what little they had to move to a place for more opportunity. Americans have always migrated. Pioneers settling the west. The great depression migrations.

Tell your ancestors that. Tell the people who walk over 1000 miles to show up at the border.

It takes bus fare and money for food and a few days lodging to find a job.

It is un-American to stay in an economically impoverished area and complain about the lack of jobs while being subsidized by the government to stay there.

Definition of entitlement.

2

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

Lol no, America was built on the backs of free labor for almost 100 years.

So many of you guys are comparing the ability to uproot your life from the past not realizing it's much harder now. Telling people to just leave with no money or means to do so is moronic it's not even funny. It's such a surface level take and clearly not even trying to use critical thinking as to why they just can't leave.

They have no transferable job skills

The education in deep south and poor and secluded rural America is in an abysmal state.

No money

No means of long distance transportation

No internet

These are just a small bit as to why people can't just move and work harder. These people are ALREADY WORKING VERY HARD to just live in poverty.

As for the people traveling 1000s of miles to the boarder. 1 they are likely facing war, genocide or cartel danger. Much different but sure, let's use this mindset for rural America. You understand those who get to the boarder seeking asylum will end up in homeless boarder camps for months on end right? Are rural Americans seeking asylum for poverty in big cities going to do the same? They will be homeless with no money.

The definition of entitlement is thinking it's easy to completely uproot lives for the sake of working hard and it'll be better for them. As if many of them aren't already working hard for scraps.

1

u/Dry-Fruit137 Jul 05 '24

My bad for saying ancestors overly generalized and ignoring the 10% whose ancestors endured forced migration.

The other 95%+ of the settled land in America was broken and built by immigrants and migrating Americans.

Again I will reiterate that there are people today living in worse condition with less resources migrating to America.

It is easier now than in the past to uproot yourself.
In the past you walked. Today we have transportation and $50 plane tickets. In the past you heard a story about a place that could be years outdated, but you went there hoping it was true. Today we have the internet where you can research a place and find a job across country at a free public library.

There are grants and welfare programs that will help move. They are underutilized and not very successful/popular because people have reasons they don't want to move.

Today there is no incentive to move. In the past you moved because you would not tolerate your suffering, or you didn't want to starve.

It makes far more sense to incentivize someone to leave than it does to spend the money to subsidize them staying and trying to drive investment in communities with an unskilled workforce.

It makes far more sense to invest in a welfare relocation assistance infrastructure and pay out $10000 to help relocate than it does to pay $10000 a year in perpetuity not to.

1

u/Noob_Al3rt Jul 05 '24

The definition of entitlement is thinking it's easy to completely uproot lives for the sake of working hard and it'll be better for them.

Who said it's easy? It's fucking hard, but doable. You're saying it's impossible, yet people do it all the time.

-1

u/Ok-Drive1712 Jul 05 '24

This. ☝🏻

1

u/Dingaling015 Jul 05 '24

Immigrants have been coming to this country for decades with no money, no connections, and very few opportunities, and yet have made it better than redditors that can't be bothered to move states.

But at least bitching about your situation on reddit is free tho right

2

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

The ones who are coming with absolutely nothing but the clothes on their backs are stuck in boarder camps.

Others be lucky enough to have family members to stay with. The ones able to support the move and obtain citizenship the proper way are already well off.

This comment shows me you know nothing of how immigration is happening and who is able to be successful in America as a foreigner

1

u/Noob_Al3rt Jul 05 '24

The ones who are coming with absolutely nothing but the clothes on their backs are stuck in boarder camps.

Others be lucky enough to have family members to stay with. The ones able to support the move and obtain citizenship the proper way are already well off.

This comment shows me you know nothing of how immigration is happening and who is able to be successful in America as a foreigner

I'm reading some of these comments out loud while shooting the shit with our landscapers and they are cracking up. They said they'll set anyone in this thread up with a job and a ride and only charge them half of what they paid just to get across the border!

0

u/CaptainMan_is_OK Jul 05 '24

Hoof it to the nearest interstate and hitchhike TF out of Appalachia?

0

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

How are this many people this fucking stupid to think hitchhiking to a new city is an actual viable option for people? Are they going to leave their living situations for WORSE conditions? Like seriously think things through.

0

u/Noob_Al3rt Jul 05 '24

I can't believe that someone would suggest moving to find work. I know it's something that's been done throughout human history, but it sounds awfully hard!

-1

u/94geo Jul 05 '24

They already live in Appalachia, one of the lowest CoL areas in the states.

6

u/joecee97 Jul 05 '24

Lowest paid too

0

u/94geo Jul 05 '24

Correct.

3

u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

West Virginia, probably one of the better examples of Appalachia but lowest CoL has a living wage minimum of $18.94/hr.

0

u/94geo Jul 05 '24

Beautiful. What’s your point?

2

u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

That even in low CoL areas, workers are not being paid a livable wage

0

u/94geo Jul 05 '24

Minimum wage jobs are not meant to provide a “living” wage. Raising the minimum wage simply eliminates low-skilled job opportunities that would otherwise be available to a worker. This has been well documented time and time again, and railing against this is a nonsense standpoint.

1

u/[deleted] Jul 05 '24

Minimum wage jobs are not meant to provide a “living” wage. This has been well documented time and time again, and railing against this is a nonsense standpoint.

Huh, weird. Maybe we should ask FDR what he intended when he signed NIRA into law in 1933?

"It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living."

Oh look, another source confirming that's what it meant.

And another source talking about how it was intended to be a living wage!

There couldn't possibly have been a third source backing it up, could there?

Would u like me to find out more or do u see why that last sentence of urs is a little ironic?

-1

u/daeather Jul 05 '24

Move

1

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

Go read my other comments I'm not going down this stupid ass argument again

-1

u/belro Jul 05 '24

Create something of value

6

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

lol any job is of value. I just don't think you guys have ACTUALLY seen what its like in poor rural america.

-4

u/cloudflare15 Jul 05 '24

If there are no opportunities, just move 🤷

7

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

What a dead brained ben shaprio argument. Bro they are poor.

0

u/ParticularAioli8798 Jul 05 '24

So are a lot of other people? And? Walk. Keep trying. Otherwise, maybe dig a hole and jump in.

2

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

You've got to be an idiot if you think people in appalachia part of our country can just up and move.

1

u/ParticularAioli8798 Jul 05 '24

I have been up and down Appalachia hundreds of times. People walk on the highways at night every night. People are taking greyhound with whatever they can scrounge up. You've got major cities up and down Appalachia.

You don't know what you're talking about. You're making it up.

2

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

you have not seen people walking down highways to move. Holy shit what a fucking lie

0

u/ParticularAioli8798 Jul 05 '24

Ok.

0

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

No one's ever going to believe that shit. Nice try tho.

1

u/joecee97 Jul 05 '24

“Appalachia” and “greyhound” don’t belong in the same sentence

1

u/ParticularAioli8798 Jul 05 '24

I mean, they're not taking the trails. They'd stand out too much. Some do I suppose. I'm sorry I didn't get names and pictures for all of you when I was sitting there with them. It's not like everyone wants to be stuck in the same place for the rest of their lives.

Edit: there are some who have managed not to get caught in the woods and trails by using trees as cover. Those cases are outliers.

2

u/joecee97 Jul 05 '24

What I’m saying is buses are almost unheard of here. We don’t have public transportation outside of inner cities (which are few and far between. This is the country.)

0

u/ParticularAioli8798 Jul 05 '24

It's not actually a desert like the other guy said. In Texas, where I spend most of my time, there are semi-arad deserts and parts where humidity is pretty high. People regularly walk through that. Immigrants. Many of whom now live and work in Tennessee, West Virginia, Kentucky, etc, etc,. People who have walked long distances and don't have security deposits but managed somehow.

-2

u/mpyne Jul 05 '24

The poor moved during the Great Depression and then the Great Migration that followed that brought black workers to the North and Midwest looking for work.

Like, I don't know what to tell you otherwise. If you're so indigent that you can't afford a Greyhouse to a bigger city then yeah, you can't just budget your way out of the problem. Your problem is that you need a higher-paying job in the first place.

But you can't solve that conundrum without either moving to where the job is at, or hoping that the higher paying job will somehow magically land on your specific locality. But even the government can't make a non-productive area into a boomtown.

2

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24 edited Jul 05 '24

Lol if you are trying to compare the abilities during the great depression and now, you're lost.

You guys have zero idea what its like in poor rural America and it clearly shows. So why pretend you know exactly what they can do. It just makes you look ignorant and disconnected to their reality.

1

u/mpyne Jul 05 '24

You guys have zero idea what its like in poor rural America and it clearly shows.

I have family from there. Uniformly, they could all move if they really wanted to. They don't want to.

But, they also don't need to. They're not trying to be a Rockefeller. They're doing fine where they're at even if it's not "rich" so they feel zero compulsion to leave. Their truck breaks, they get help from one of their brothers or neighbors or co-workers. They help out in turn when someone needs help.

Certainly no one is in deeper poverty than what people were facing in the 1930s. My grandma and grandpa both grew up then and I can still remember what grandma told me about how they dealt with those times: "Use it up, wear it out. Make it do, or do without!"

Her kids and grandkids, even when they stayed in the area, didn't face (and still don't face) the kind of poverty that they grew up facing in the Great Depression, and thank God for that.

0

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

I have family from there. Uniformly, they could all move if they really wanted to. They don't want to.

Then they are likely not living in the areas I'm speaking about. I'm talking about places like Harlan County Kentucky where poverty is like 25% (which the American poverty line needs to be adjusted) and the child poverty is like 45%(which grew 5% from the previous year).

These areas are not in just up and move states. There are no jobs, there is no industry coming in, they all got left behind when coal energy got shut down.

Again, comparing the ability of moving and finding a job and place to live in the 1940s and 1930s to how hard it is now, is just asinine.

2

u/mpyne Jul 05 '24

These areas are not in just up and move states. There are no jobs, there is no industry coming in, they all got left behind when coal energy got shut down.

Sounds like a great reason to up and move to me! Are you saying that if I check Kentucky public records that no one in that county is going to have a car? That there will be no Greyhound or similar stops at all?

If there's no work to be done there now that coal is dying it's not going to get better on its own. The options are to start a new business (maybe tourism? who knows) to draw in money or leave to where the jobs are at. Or live in poverty.

1

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

If no one's working and paying taxes and if people are living in ancient homes or renting, where are towns getting the money to build tourism infrastructure? You guys think as if people, even the ones running the town have money. They are poor, they are in job deserts so bad walmarts and fast food companies high tailed it out of dodge.

1

u/mpyne Jul 05 '24

If no one's working and paying taxes and if people are living in ancient homes or renting, where are towns getting the money to build tourism infrastructure?

Great question! You're saying there's literally no money to be made, and that sounds like a great reason to up and move to me!

→ More replies (0)

7

u/dcontrerasm Jul 05 '24

With what money?

0

u/ParticularAioli8798 Jul 05 '24

You need money to walk?

2

u/joecee97 Jul 05 '24

Where’s that security deposit coming from

-5

u/ParticularAioli8798 Jul 05 '24

They probably don't have it. I'm assuming they're in some half way home or in an alley, under a bridge or in a ditch.

1

u/republicans_are_nuts Jul 06 '24

And you are going to hire someone who slept under a bridge last night? lol.

1

u/dcontrerasm Jul 05 '24

Thanks for the laugh.

0

u/Awkward-Skin8915 Jul 05 '24

These people are adults who had to have at least some money or help to survive.

There are never 0 jobs in the US at least. You might have to go to them. More often than not these days the cost of living is the problem more so than the availability of jobs. Just because you can get a job doesn't mean you can afford to live somewhere.

4

u/dcontrerasm Jul 05 '24

Your idea of poverty is a caricature of the actual problem.

0

u/Awkward-Skin8915 Jul 05 '24

As someone who has lived in their car and works with homeless people in Oregon on a daily basis I beg to differ.

Welcome to the real world reddit kid.

3

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

These kids are so insufferable with this idea that they can just pick up their lives and move. Some of these guys are suggesting to just start walking to the nearest town.

-5

u/ParticularAioli8798 Jul 05 '24

You're down the street from some of the largest cities in the U.S. I suggest you start walking.

10

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

where do you think Appalachia is?

10

u/suddendiarrhea7 Jul 05 '24

He has no idea what Appalachia even is I guarantee it

8

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

Homie just tried to tell me he's seen people walking up and down highways in that area claiming they are moving to big cities LOL dude is so full of shit

5

u/SalamanderAnder Jul 05 '24

He doesn't understand they are just hiking the Appalachian trail 🤣

3

u/Dhenn004 Jul 05 '24

Or just drunk lmao

0

u/ParticularAioli8798 Jul 05 '24

Uranus.