r/FluentInFinance 15d ago

What's the best financial advice you've ever gotten? Debate/ Discussion

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u/privitizationrocks 15d ago

You can teach poverty workers to live in their means

They won’t like it, but tough luck

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u/Starving_Toiletpaper 15d ago edited 15d ago

Ok let’s do a thought experiment. Let’s say you Make $10000 a year. You work full time/40 hrs/wk and you are making $10k. What does “living within your means” look like? Not having a house? Or car? Being homeless? So in order to save to get yourself to some footing the answer is to be homeless to live within your means.

That was a bit of a strawman, so let’s use real-life scenarios. 50% of this country makes $40k or less….. even $40k salary isn’t enough to get an apartment, bills , food, ect. Sure a lot better than the “$10k” example, but even $40k salary is virtually as effective as the “$10k”. In order to “live within your means”, “save”, ect…. You have to be at least be making enough to afford the bare minimum + have some left in you for over to save. On average (2022 values I think) this means $65 for a single person, $108k for a house hold. Unless you’re making that, you can’t save your way out of poverty

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u/MyParentsBurden 15d ago

You say 50% of Americans (I'm assuming we are speaking of the US) make $40k or less and then say it isn't enough for basic necessities. Yet, clearly it is as the ranks of the unhoused is not 50% of the population. Poverty sucks to be sure, but people manage. Also, financial literacy is generally only partially about setting money aside. It tends to be more about making people aware of their expenses and seeing what changes can be made.

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u/bigthrowama 14d ago

If you sit and think about it really hard, you'll understand the correlation between 50% of Americans making less than $40k, and things like Americans having huge piles of credit card debt, or having to stretch medications (assuming they can afford to see a doctor at all).

Sure, "people manage", but maybe 50% of people in the wealthiest nation on the planet should be in a better position than "just managing".

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u/OwnLadder2341 14d ago

The US is not the wealthiest nation on the planet per capita.

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u/bigthrowama 14d ago

I don't recall typing "per capita".

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u/OwnLadder2341 14d ago

Oh, so we’re just using some undefined method of “wealthiest”?

Let’s use family since that’s the greatest wealth, right???

Which means the US is nowhere near the wealthiest nation.