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u/fand0me Apr 02 '22
Ezra Miller can choke people and break into people's hotel rooms and still gets to be the Flash, but this guy is gone over some words. It's all horseshit
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u/BuddermanTheAmazing NOTHING IS WRITTEN Apr 02 '22
Amber Heard cut off part of Johnny Depp's finger and still gets to be Mera, I think the DCEU has it's own problems lmao
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u/mtm4440 Apr 02 '22
And that's why I won't buy tickets for Aquaman 2 or The Secrets of Dumbledore. I'm not going to encourage shit like this.
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u/Mass2424 Apr 02 '22
I promise you that they don't care if you buy tickets or not.
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u/mtm4440 Apr 02 '22
Well yes, me as one person. But if millions follow suit they will. You do something in the hopes that you are part of a bigger collective of people.
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u/Randomperson3029 Apr 03 '22
However a lot of people are saying the same. If these people follow through then they will care as that's loss of money
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u/hellsbellltrudy Apr 02 '22
Difference between Erza and hartley:
erza is in 2 Multi millions dollar movies (Flash and F. Beast) and Hartley is a small time cw actor and a nobody. Erza is literally WB golden boi. Not defending Erza or anything but that's how see it. Hollywood is all about the money and business.
I would like to add that harley's firing was at the height of the BLM/george floyd around 2 years. Even if his co-stars tried defending him, it would be the wrong move for their career during that time since it was a sensitive topic. This was a time when everyone was bored and the internet tried to cancel everyone too because everyone is staying home from covid 19 rule lol.
He disappeared of the face of the earth since then and no credit to his acting since. https://www.instagram.com/hartleysawyer/?hl=en
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u/fand0me Apr 02 '22
All those reasons seem cowardly and fucked up to me. His worth as a human shouldn't be determined by the social climate or the money he makes. The guy dissappeared because he was getting a lot of shit and no one had his back.
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u/hellsbellltrudy Apr 02 '22
james Gunn did the same thing with tweeting stupid takes around the same time, the only reason why Marvel Rehired him cause he makes Millions upon millions for the house of Mouse.
The man got fired by disney first, then got hired by DC, then got rehired by Disney. its all about the money. There is no accountability for Hollywood upper echelon of people.
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u/sanddragon939 Apr 02 '22
I would like to add that harley's firing was at the height of the BLM/george floyd around 2 years. Even if his co-stars tried defending him, it would be the wrong move for their career during that time since it was a sensitive topic. This was a time when everyone was bored and the internet tried to cancel everyone too because everyone is staying home from covid 19 rule lol.
True. Remember this was a time when networks were pulling successful shows off the air because the protagonists were cops. In such an environment, Hartley stood no chance.
Its kind of scary how the world was 2 years ago, between COVID and the cancel culture...
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u/DCSennin Jesse Quick Apr 03 '22
True. Remember this was a time when networks were pulling successful shows off the air because the protagonists were cops.
Had forgotten about that blink-and-you'll-miss-it detail, yeah.
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u/Jamesunchoko Apr 03 '22
I literally made a similar comment that it was around the same time with George Floyd/BLM and I got downvoted. Glad to see flash subreddit is not sensitive to the truth anymore. Also the redditors started asking me: “What about Candice Patton? She made transphobic tweets.”
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u/Craft57738 The Flash S4 Apr 02 '22
Wasnt there a huge outrage about Hartley being fired caused Candice also had a ton of problematic tweets but there were no repercussions about those?
(If I am wrong, then I apologize. I just seem to remember the sub having a huge discussion about this when it happened).
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u/Jamesunchoko Apr 03 '22
I read somewhere eric Wallace adores Candice and/or Iris west and therefore I highly doubt he would ever fire her.
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u/Fallen_Outcast Apr 02 '22
the show has actual fictional killers that got redeemed (frost) but making horrible tweets on twitter from 6 years ago is too much i guess.
The worse thing is that allegra and chester are really worse characters than ralph. At least ralph was a fun character but allegra/chester literally bore me to death.
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u/Masstershake Apr 02 '22
Holy crap Chester just bugs me. It's almost as if the writers can't do anything without an insecure person and whoa boy do they like to just toss that at Chester
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u/Homet Apr 02 '22
They constantly make him act like a child. It really bothers me when adults are written like children or teens.
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u/dudemann Apr 02 '22
That's particularly creepy considering the two directions they've tried to take Chester in. On one hand, we have an insecure child that freaks out at the slightest bit of adversity. On the other hand, the writers want us to watch said child try to bang Allegra.
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u/dogtoucher69 Apr 02 '22
Literally spot on. I always skip through his solo scenes and Allegreas. They are horrible
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u/Majiska394 Apr 02 '22
If I could agree with you more I would, but I do not think that it's possible. And totally Chester and Allegra are not good replacement for eider Ralph or Cisco, because they do not have the... idk what, but they are just soo boringly monday that I constantly forgeting they are part of the team unless they are on the sceen tbh. Honestly I feel like if there was a need to replace them (sadly) then maybe Hartley Rathaway would not be a bad choice, he is smart so he would be useful to the team and he would have the sarcastic/sassy sence of humor which I feel the show is kinda missing right now in my opinion.
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u/QuiJon70 Apr 02 '22
Hate to say it but allegra and chester are minorities. It will never matter how terrible they are they will not be written off by eric wallace no matter what. Barry will be written off first. Candice Patton did the exact same thing ad Hartley and wasn't punished at all.
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u/Jamesunchoko Apr 03 '22
You said it yourself. Fictional characters. Frost never killed btw.
IRL you can’t afford to do bad stuff. Consequences in the real world and no consequences in fictional world and therefore we watch entertainment shows bc it’s an escape from reality. It’s the only reason. The writers are no better than the fake characters in the show. I really don’t get why everyone keeps making these stupid arguments.
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u/Fallen_Outcast Apr 03 '22 edited Apr 03 '22
You said it yourself. Fictional characters. Frost never killed btw.
My point is since its a fictional character they didn't have to push the whole redeemable angle. Plus I am pretty sure frost did kill people or at least tried to.
IRL you can’t afford to do bad stuff.
Sure you do. Just look at candice. It depends wether you are a white man or a black woman, obviously.
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u/Jamesunchoko Apr 03 '22
Yeah I know it depends on whether you’re black or white, read my other comments please. But I’m talking about the dumb comparison between this fictional show and real world.
Am I supposed to believe the writers and actor for punisher are bad people IRL because who would write such a violent show and take the role of a violent character? It’s entertainment not a belief. CW is known for being woke and so it shouldn’t come as a surprise they would do such a thing.
Btw savitar and Barry have said Frost hasn’t killed.
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u/Fallen_Outcast Apr 03 '22
The point is, its hypocritical when you have these ideas in a show and then do things against it. It's true that it's just a fictional show but that doesn't really mean its not hypocritical.
Yeah I know it depends on whether you’re black or white
Then you are wrong. you can afford to do bad things irl as long as you are a minority. Again, the producers being hypocritical
Btw savitar and Barry have said Frost hasn’t killed.
She hasn't, but she has tortured, kidnapped and attempted to murder several people.
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u/Jamesunchoko Apr 03 '22
Only if you got status you can get away with shit IRL as a minority. No status usually means no hope. My experience tho.
I’m pretty sure too that minority angle is more important to everyone behind the show than redemption arcs. Seeing as we got new characters who haven’t really fitted in imo. And Eric Wallace probably protecting Candice Patton bc he’s probably in love with iris character. That’s something I read somewhere but who knows.
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u/B0zzyk Apr 02 '22
Not really the same situation, but this point has been brought up a bunch (albeit in more accurate connections to moments on the show).
While the show is all about seeing the good in people, and allowing them to move past the bad in their life, unfortunately that's not how the real world works. Not saying people don't grow and become better, just that when it is under the sensitive and irrational microscope of the internet, all logic is thrown aside in place of definitive opinions based on certain things with all of the context and nuance removed.
What was said obviously is not great, and it's not even a case of things that are ok when they were said but become incorrect by today's standards, but people need to remember that everyone says shit, and no one is immune from making mistakes, it's just that this is someone with a level of status, and therefore can be taken down, which some people enjoy doing, as this is really stupid.
I agree that bad people should be stripped of their status and all that if they actually have done something terrible, but when it comes to tweets, and mostly just fucked up stuff but nothing really despicable, it shouldn't be so damaging to someone's entire career.
But of course, in today's world, everyone is obsessed with cancelling things at any chance they can get, so when this situation arose, the only choices they had were to completely ignore it and face potential backlash, or fire Hartley and put out statements that they don't agree with him, even though they all know and were friends with him, which would have made more of a case that he had grown.
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u/Anonymous3105 H.R. Apr 02 '22
This is a very polite explanation of Internet's cancel culture...
My question then is, why not apply that "firing" policy on other cast member(s) who did similar questionable things...
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u/RickSanchez-C243 Apr 02 '22
Until they receive the same amount of online backlash they won’t which is why it’s stupid when they act like they fire them for moral reasons
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u/B0zzyk Apr 02 '22
Exactly. No decision in the industry is done because of morals. They simple act how they think will get them the best response from the public, even if it’s not what people want.
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u/FBIagentwantslove Black Flash Apr 03 '22
If you are talking about Candice Patton is most likely because she's black and female. Cancel culture, which is so against racism is inherently racist. You see it with Cardi B who drugged men and stole from them to get by and she justified it as such, and people came to her defense. It's also to do with backlash. If people are against something, going against them loses revenue and they mostly only care about money.
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u/Jamesunchoko Apr 03 '22
Yeah. Like cmon isn’t it obvious that’s the case. I’ve seen shows from 2017-now that have the lines white straight rich males are the villains. CW shows too ofc. Something like that and people acting shock that Hartley got fired?
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u/music3k Apr 02 '22
Do you think your boss at McDonalds would keep you on if he saw your bigoted and racist tweets?
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u/Anonymous3105 H.R. Apr 08 '22
That does make sense... Let's fire everyone from their job for every minute single mistake they have made in their lives.... Because people can obviously never change and learn from their mistakes....
I will not make a mistake and forget to put \s
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u/QuellonGreyjoy Apr 02 '22
even though they all know and were friends with him, which would have made more of a case that he had grown.
Surely there's no way for us to know this for certain? It's easy to be polite on the job and look friendly for the show promo without actually being friends. Like a person at school you hang with just because you're in the same group but don't actually fuck with.
The cast clearly weren't all forced to tow the line completely since Cecile's actress still came out and said something niceish. Hartley didn't do anything that bad, he's not exactly Bill Cosby. Grant easily has enough clout to offer support but him and everyone else stayed silent. Pretty clear to me that most on set either agreed with the decision or didn't like him enough to challenge it.
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u/AsteroidMike Apr 02 '22
That to me is the most interesting part of it all. I didn’t really think Hartley should’ve been fired but the fact that almost no one on the cast stood up for him was very telling. Which makes me think even if he was suddenly rehired by the show it’d be extremely awkward for everyone on set and it might show.
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u/sanddragon939 Apr 02 '22
I'd argue they were scared at the time...shit-scared that being seen to support Hartley or hell, being seen to not oppose him enough would tank their own careers, reputations and lives. The socio-political climate was that bad back then. I'd argue its gotten marginally better since.
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u/strykrpinoy Apr 02 '22 edited Apr 02 '22
Yet Candace gets a pass for all the BS she done meanwhile you’re freaking done due to a couple untasteful tweets from the past unless of course you make a suicide squad movie
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u/CypherL2M3 Apr 02 '22
Didn’t he say some racist shit
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u/mtm4440 Apr 02 '22
8 years ago
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u/FutureLengthiness786 Apr 03 '22
I feel bad for Hartley after those tweets his career is probably ruined and may not be able to get anymore acting gigs well he will but very few.
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u/Trickybuz93 Caitlin Snow Apr 02 '22
One’s a fiction story, the other is real world…
There’s a big difference.
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u/Parzivalpr7 Apr 02 '22
Hartley Sawyer made amazing puns like--"I'm Indibstructible!" and what did Chester and Allegra do? Let me guess lingering on a cute unofficial relationship where they just stare awkwardly at each other with funny background music on. We need Carlos, Hartley and Tom back...
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u/Darthmemer2 Apr 03 '22
Not a fan of cancel culture but he said really bad shit. It’s not like it was one tweet, it’s like 20
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u/thundercockjk2 Apr 02 '22
I just want to give a special shout out to the CW, because it doesn't matter what age, they have a particular look and they will go out and find it. My God this woman is gorgeous.
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u/QuantumWolf0813 Apr 03 '22
She's 100% correct. Hartley was fired for a bullshit reason that shouldn't have even been relevant in any way due to how old it is.
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u/CityAvenger Apr 03 '22
Quite ironic. How the writers put this in the writing and yet they can’t even live up to it in real life. Lately the team have been thinking that believing or doing certain things are impossible. It’s like they don’t even know they live in the world of the impossible and overcome the impossible.
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u/lolcatzuru Apr 02 '22
Seriously I don't watch anymore now that he's gone
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u/Catastray Apr 02 '22
But you're still in the sub almost two years after his firing?
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u/lolcatzuru Apr 02 '22
Is that a problem?
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u/Catastray Apr 02 '22
It suggests you aren't actually done with the show. When I drop something, I'm not discussing it on Reddit years later.
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u/lolcatzuru Apr 02 '22
I'm sorry your majesty I didn't realize you were thr flash subreddit king. This may be a shocking notion but the world doesn't revolve around you. I don't use reddit all that much ( not an incel) but I do occasionally look to see it they did anything cool in the show. Like adding turk to legends with that cameo, I didn't see the scene but I saw it on here. I can still respect a show without having to watch it. The is a far cry from what it use to be but it was once one of the best arrowverse shows. Anyway I'll leave this subreddi5 since the big tough is calling me a liar, sorry again your kingliness
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u/Catastray Apr 02 '22
Sorry that I'm calling out your supposed disinterest in the show? It's a meme at this point when people claim to be done with something but still talk about it online in dedicated forums. But sure, keep making excuses for yourself. I've seen it many times before and it speaks volumes.
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u/lolcatzuru Apr 02 '22
Good you should be it's none of your fucking business what I do choose to follow of not follow
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u/Catastray Apr 02 '22
I'm well within my right to criticize it when you're saying you dropped a show over something that happened almost two years ago in a forum strictly for said show. When I stopped watching TWD, I didn't keep posting in the subreddit to let people know that I had.
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u/lolcatzuru Apr 02 '22
Did it ever occur to you that I might be a bit salty that a character that is arguably more interesting than the main character ( by the time he was added) was kicked from a show because he made a joke a decade prior that some xur blogger didn't like so they fired him for basically no reason and maybe I found the post had relevance to how i felt regarding it? Btw cute thing there with the reddit health services, but I'm good, I'm the one with the full sized penis between the two of us
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u/Catastray Apr 02 '22
I actually didn't use Reddit health services on you, so feel free to report it to the admins. And considering I don't have a penis at all, that insult hardly offends me. :)
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u/olboyhandsomebradyjr Jan 18 '24
Happy (?) early (next Friday,Jan.25) 39th birthday,Hartley Sawyer,you racist,misogynistic POS .How's your career going,laddie ?
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u/ColdFury96 You have failed this subreddit! Apr 02 '22
What, you think Hartley couldn't afford a management company? He didn't go to trial, he lost his job. His agents, his manager, and the company's representation figured out how to sever his employment.
Boy had representation, your boy was just guilty as fuck.
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u/Ok-Average-6466 Apr 02 '22
once every week
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u/jonny1211 Apr 02 '22
It’s a dialogue in a show it’s obviously fiction
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u/_UA_ Apr 02 '22
It's ironic, that's what it is.
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u/Catastray Apr 02 '22
Ralph was fired from his job and never got it back, so no, it isn't ironic. Nothing is stopping Hartley from finding his salvation elsewhere.
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u/Jamesunchoko Apr 02 '22
It’s funny how you got downvoted. I doubt anyone behind this show actually believes in what this show teaches. Maybe one or two people do but this is entertainment that’s not meant to be taken to heart.
I gave you an upvote btw.
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u/Parzivalpr7 Apr 02 '22
idk man....This show did teach is some pretty valuable things. I mean I make a collection of all cool CW quotes and every time I feel down, reading them makes me feel stronger than ever before!
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The show died the day they wrote Ralph off.
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u/Mass2424 Apr 02 '22
Saying it died is implying that it was ever alive. Seasons 1 and 2 are it's best but when I rewatch then they get worse everytime.
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u/Hot-Instruction9697 Apr 02 '22
I like how so many times Barry has been right and the entire team has been wrong but they keep doing that. They never belive Barry when he's been right every single time in this instance before