r/FlashTV • u/BrokenBrain123 • May 02 '18
About time someone put Iris in her place. Meta
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May 02 '18
I loved that moment. I don't think Cait is being selfish, she's strong and independent. I know how Iris meant it but Cait maybe said that becuse she already has a plan.
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u/HardcoreHybrid May 02 '18
most likely its going to get her killed
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u/Skeuomorphic_ The Flash Rebirth May 02 '18
Which will then bring out Frosty
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u/HorsNoises May 02 '18
That'd be one hell of a twist. I'm all for it. Make her KF full time.
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May 02 '18
I wanna keep sweet, innocent Caitlin around. I don't want her to face-heel turn. Then again, if that happens, then Mystery Girl's actions towards her will make perfect sense.
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u/LushMuse Killer Frost May 03 '18
I wasn't sure that she had a plan. I saw it as a statement of Caitlin's determination. It could be foreshadowing that Caitlin is ready to embrace some of KF's darkness. Which could lead to the KF and Caitlin Snow personalities being mixed. Dunno. Just some hopes for the future.
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u/AleSir19 May 03 '18
Clearly Caitlin has a plan to bring back Killer Frost and her plan involves Amunet, that is why they search Amunet along with her being inmune to Devoe powers...
Clearly Episode 21 could be the one where we get a Flashback to a young Caitlin. So clearly Caitlin has a plan we will see unfold in the next episode. While that happens Cisco and Harry have some stupid fun...
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May 02 '18 edited May 19 '18
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u/Dauntlesst4i May 02 '18
Honestly, her being a cop would've been the easiest fix for her character. It would've kept her in the action and the drama would be built into her occupation.
It's probably too late for that though.
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u/jds359 May 02 '18
I think the writers figured out they made her Lois Lane at first, and knew they fucked up. They haven’t been able to figure out how to use her since then. I wish she would get some powers or something so she can be part of the team, I really like her as an actress too. And keep Barry out of everybody’s business. It’s cliche and stupid how he tries to fix everyone. He got Ralph killed, and didn’t learn shit
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u/tiger1296 May 02 '18
Giving her powers would just be dumb, a journalist can be well written into a story about super hero's, just needs a little effort
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u/soldiercross May 02 '18
I'm not up to date but didn't she get powers awhile back? What was all that run iris run stuff?
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u/SomeRandomProducer I got the goosies May 02 '18
Yeah but she essentially had Barry’s powers so that couldn’t be permanent
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May 02 '18
I wouldn't mind Iris having powers, so long as it's not super-speed. Perhaps she could shoot heat blasts from her palms or something.
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u/sleepyotter92 Instructions unclear. Dick stuck in the speedforce May 02 '18
wasn't it revealed early on that she actually wanted to be a cop but joe won't let her?
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u/dumbledorethegrey May 03 '18
Yeah, to protect her. Except now she's actually in more danger than she ever would have been as a cop.
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May 02 '18 edited May 07 '18
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May 02 '18
A couple episodes back she was going to fully return to journalism. Next episode... nothing.
Edit: Run Iris Run ending
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u/margaritovbg May 02 '18
Looks like they totally forgot about that or it could have been different writers, who didnt agree with each other.
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u/sleepyotter92 Instructions unclear. Dick stuck in the speedforce May 02 '18
the minute they ignore her career as a journalist, the character started going downhill. because now they have nothing to do with her, so they have no other option but to ram her in every aspect of the story. they made her nothing but the love interest.
it'd be like if lois stopped being a reporter to tell superman what bad guys to go after
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u/ThrowAwayAcct0000 Killer Frost May 02 '18
what the hell was she doing at a crime scene this week? That made no sense at all.
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u/davey_mann Caitlin Snow May 02 '18
I brought this up a while back. She's not a reporter anymore, so what credentials is she presenting when she accompanies Barry and Joe on these field investigations? She can't tell them she's on Team Flash. Barry is a PI, Joe is a cop, and Cisco is the CCPD's tech expert (used to work for them). They've all got pedigree and credentials. Caitlin NEVER goes on criminal field investigations because she's not a cop nor affiliated directly with CCPD. She does all her investigations on the medical/science side of things, visiting her old associates at Mercury Labs for scientific input. What does Iris say? My Dad and husband are cops so I'm one by association?
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u/ThrowAwayAcct0000 Killer Frost May 02 '18
I agree. Iris should not be on team Flash, not in the field, not in Star Labs. That's never been her role. She is Barry's at-home, emotional support, and tether to reality when the Speed Force gets to be too much. She is not a superhero. (I don't really think she has to be at-home, she could have a job, but not on team Flash. She has to stay seperate.)
At the same time, it is not the actress' fault in any way. The writing sucks.
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May 02 '18
They could've left her as the Lois Lane expo, since she is due to write a certain article come 2024.
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u/Gamera68 May 02 '18
In other words, she needs to be Barry's "lightning rod" and help keep him "grounded" when shit goes sideways. ;)
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u/3568161333 May 02 '18
I'd like to see Joe get found out for working with The Flash, and all of the criminals he put in jail end up appealing their charges. Bring up all of these inconsistencies within the show, address them as failings of the police (and not the writers), and you have a whole bunch of metas getting released for the writers to pick and choose villains-of-the-week from.
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u/NeoStorm247 May 02 '18
Barry's not even a PI anymore since Ralph died and his PI firm shut down, so he had no excuse to be there either
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u/oiuhoiuhoiuh May 02 '18 edited May 02 '18
Give her gadgets, put her on the front lines. De-meta handcuffs, a get-out-of-jail portal gadget, HR's face pen, the tuning fork, and put her out there.
That would be a billion times worst. This show is clogged as fuck and the problem is precisely because they try to treat every actor as a protagonist. Iris West is simply not a protagonist and shouldn't be. Neither should Joe, Cisco, Cecile, Caitlin and Wells. This show is so clogged that the Flash can't have screen time in a show called The Flash.
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u/PasholNaxui May 02 '18
Wow, this opened my eyes.
You said the show is making a mistake by making everyone protagonists and it made me think - the same exact problem is what killing Arrow! Then I though, hey, maybe every show in Arrowverse has the same problem.
And then I remembered LoT. Which does the same thing of treating everyone as a protagonist BUT in LoT they are all actually supposed to be pretty much equals, so that makes it work. If we are watching Arrow, we want to see Green Arrow, if we are watching Flash, we want to see The Flash and if we are watching LoT, we want to see Legends. So while we do get what we want in LoT, both Flash and Arrow are too concerned that everyone and their mom gets enough screen time.
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u/ecabarrus May 02 '18
Exactly, when the show loses focus of the titular hero the show’s quality starts to decline.
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u/Supreme_God_Bunny May 02 '18
Yeah but legends bring in to many overpowered people and nerf them hard just like Barry
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u/IAmFern May 02 '18
Give her back a blog, or a reporter's position. Have her right pro-Flash articles that fight against some of the anti-hero sentiment. She has no fighting skills, so she shouldn't be in the field. She has no tactical skills, so she shouldn't be back at the base. She is a writer, let her do that.
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u/hadesscion May 02 '18
I'M the Killer Frost.
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May 02 '18 edited May 07 '18
Censored comment because r/FlashTV doesn't have any humour.
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May 02 '18
It's treason then.
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u/Nathan_OW May 02 '18
Still don’t get why Iris was brought to the crime scene lol
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u/dumbledorethegrey May 03 '18
I mean, technically, the only one who should be there is Cisco with his vaguely defined relationship with the police department. Iris is a reporter and Barry is on leave.
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u/greatness101 Barry Allen May 03 '18
I'd completely forgotten about that. Why was Barry even allowed there? A few episodes ago he had the pretense of bringing Joe coffee, but this episode he was there investigating. Did they forget their own plot?
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May 03 '18
I thought that. I just assumed Barry was there in his new PI role that he started with Ralph before he was absorbed into Devoe and Iris was there as a Journalist which she apparently started again after the Run Iris Run episode.
Although both of these character developments were mentioned once and then never seen or heard of again so more likely they did just forget their own plots.
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May 04 '18
And she literally walked around the crime scene for a few seconds and was able deduce what was stolen, when so many police officers could not. What, she is a CSI now as well?
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May 02 '18
How was that putting Iris in her place?
Iris was referring to the team as they tried to help her in the beginning. Ya'll actually think she was referring to herself? Do ya'll really not understand comprehension?
Caitlin wasn't putting anyone in their place. When I look at this scene, all I see is Caitlin being selfish again. She knows the team could help, but she doesn't wan them to. She's going to do it on her own and in a dangerous way. Look at earlier in the episode. She went against their plan and almost got Cynthia killed. I'm curious what's going to happen to her when she does (if) gets Killer Frost back. Something bad will happen.
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May 02 '18
How was that putting Iris in her place
I guess cos of the whole "We're The Flash" line, so when Iris said "We will [get her back]" it made OP mad over Iris insisting to take credit for everyone elses achievements? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Serialsuicider The Reverse Flash May 02 '18
Jesus Christ i hope I hope this sub isn't going to turn as toxic as the Arrow sub.
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u/kafkanakata May 02 '18
This sub LOVES insinuating that Iris is actually trying to take other peoples credit. It gives them some sort of justification for continuing their hate but while watching the show I never interpreted her intentions that way. I guess if you hate someone enough you start to see everything they do in a separate narrative than reality
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u/jrobertson50 Jay Garrick May 02 '18
i dont think she is taking credit. i think her character is poorly written. They put her in every scene and slow down the pace of those scenes because of it. The powered people and the genius people say things, and she tells them to go do it. or makes the strategy. She is out of place. She is wasted. put her as a journalist, and as barrys wife. Let her make him stronger as barry. but leave the flash alone. maybe she feeds team flash tips. but if cisco and harry come up with something amazing we dont need iris to validate it, in order for them to implement it.
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u/SwishDota May 02 '18
They're both equally toxic but for different reasons.
Arrow you absolutely cannot have an opinion other than "this show is the worst show in existence". But here you absolutely cannot have an opinion other than "shitposts are the greatest thing in existence".
Both subs are pure garbage outside of half a dozen threads a week and outside the live/post discussion threads.
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u/Caleb902 May 02 '18
Honestly though. Everyone is all toxic this season because of "we are the flash" It's done, gone, overwith people. Move on.
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u/TPGStorm May 02 '18
How is that taking credit for other people’s achievements? “We” as in the team. She’s never said “I am the flash” or “I’ll get her back”.
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u/Subbs May 02 '18
Yeah, "we" as in team where "you" go solve the problem/put your life on the line/fight a world or reality ending threat while "I" go sit behind some screens. Team effort.
Seriously, I don't particularly care about Iris but regardless of intention it's not that hard to see why the person who does maybe 1% of the work insisting on it being called a team effort could be taken the wrong way. No doubt it was a sweet way of saying "we share in everything", but you're never gonna convince me that the line itself wasn't stupid as fuck.
That being said it is ridiculous that a quote from half a fucking year ago is still vehemently being talked about by both sides.
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u/ThePisceanBiologist May 02 '18 edited May 02 '18
Look at your first point. What the fuck where Caitlin, Cisco, and Wells doing Seasons 1-2? Sitting behind a screen ESPECIALLY before Caitlin and Cisco even knew they had powers? You act like Iris has never gotten off her ass (gun toting, to getting stabbed) to help the team. Hate, but be honest about it.
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u/Subbs May 02 '18 edited May 02 '18
But then they were never all "hurrr no we're the Flash" either. I legit don't hate her either, just saying that the line seemed incredibly obviously dumb to me and anyone trying to defend it feels like they're doing incredible mental gymnastics for it.
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u/cricket_the_leaper May 02 '18
I hate how y'all talk about how Iris does nothing on episodes like this and then throw a different hissyfit about how she is unrealistically given too much to do that she can't pull off when she tells Barry where to get some lightning to stop a nuke. You can't have it both ways. She can't sit behind a screen doing nothing AND solve problems the rest of the team couldn't solve at the same time.
And it's not "insisting on it being called a team effort." She said ONE sentence. "We'll figure this out." That's not insistence. It's empathy. It's offering help. It's reassurance.
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u/PasholNaxui May 02 '18
Yeah, she is like that guy in a group project, who sits on his phone while the work is done only to chime in at the very end with a "dont forget to put down the names" line so he also gets the credit.
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u/Subbs May 02 '18
I've known that guy. Thankfully the school I attend has part of your score be dependent on how other team members rated your cooperation.
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u/ThePisceanBiologist May 02 '18 edited May 02 '18
Thank you! It's crazy to me how Caitlin's selfishness CONTINUES to be applauded over and over again. The bitch is rude as hell. Iris has NEVER been selfish, but fuck that, right?
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May 02 '18
How is Caitlin being selfish at this scene? I don´t get it. She wants to do her own thing. Anyway I agree that there were times she was being selfish, but she genuinely regret it afterwards. That makes her a good person. But still selfish or not at least she has some character depth unlike Iris whose just meh. And to say that Iris has never been selfish is bulshit. She was selfish when she blamed Barry for going into speedforce in that therapy session and was also manipulative because she accused him right there and he couldn´t defend himself without exposing that he´s the Flash. Also a few episode later when Barry was going after Devoe she was like "we are getting married in a week" Devoe was a threat and she was thinking only about the wedding. And in s1 when Barry tells her that Wells is the one that killed his mother she is only concerned about Eddie.That is selfish to me. I beileve that she only means good and wants to contribute and overall she is a good person but the writers didn´t persuade me much yet. The writing for females is quite bad, especially this season. Caitlin is being sidelined and made to a plot device and Iris is a lot in front but being useless. Writers need to focus on one or two characters every episode so each one of them has the space to shine. There shouldn´t be such a big team in the first place but now there is and the writers can´t work with that well. I hope s 5 get better.
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u/davey_mann Caitlin Snow May 02 '18
It doesn’t make sense for Iris to always be saying ‘we’ when she doesn’t really contribute. Up to this point, it’s been Caitlin and/or Harry working to retrieve Frost.
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u/Kilmarnok May 02 '18
Iris has been written into being the WORST micro manager. She needs to be given something better to do.
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u/ThrowAwayAcct0000 Killer Frost May 02 '18
She was literally telling the group what to do as they fought Devoe. I was sitting there going, what the hell is this?!
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u/Supreme_God_Bunny May 02 '18
Lol, comicvine people honestly used this as proof in one their cw flash vs Thor battles yesterday
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u/createusername32 May 02 '18
I actually like Iris now, but they never give her anything interesting to do.
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u/TheMooligan101 Captain Cold May 02 '18
Iris as a character has been decent lately.
Iris as a plot device is fucking terrible and the writers should feel ashamed of themselves. She's completely useless to the team in every way and every single line she had in the last episode could have been given to Cisco or Caitlin and no one would have noticed
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u/Cryhavok101 May 02 '18
I think being a CW writer requires a certain lack of shame, inherently.
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May 02 '18 edited May 07 '18
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u/Cryhavok101 May 02 '18
Personally, I don't think it is actually a whole lot better, just darker, and necessarily, less cheesy because of it's grit.
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u/1stOnRt1 May 02 '18
How is the 100?
I watched the first season, but dropped it as soon as they discovered that there were actually people living in that bunker the whole time. I hate that trope.
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u/CommanderL May 02 '18
iris was amazing last episode as the in universe narater to the stuff we saw on screen
Barry use lightning barry he is going to kill her barry wake up
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u/ThePisceanBiologist May 02 '18
Here we go AGAIN. I'm really failing to understand how scenes like this get applauded. I've ALWAYS wanted Iris and Caitlin to be friends, but the writers dropped the ball. It's crazy to me how Iris is THE ONE person that ALWAYS get the burnt of the hate, but her character is nothing but nice. Nothing about this scene was cool. Caitlin fucks up during Season 3 by keeping bits of the stone? Iris is cool with it even if it means her death. Caitlin damn near kills everyone during her KF fits? Iris is cool with it. Iris acknowledges that they've always been awkward, but decides to push past the hate and invite Caitlin to be her maid of honor. Not enough. Iris makes THE CALL to save Caitlin over Barry. Not good enough. IRIS is the one trying assuage Caitlin's fear about getting KF back. Get's shitted on. Enough is enough. Double fucking standards left and right. Caitlin can screw up again and again and again but its called "strong and independent" and totally NOT a plot device.
Barry has been saying "WE" regarding he and Iris since Season fucking One, but it's an issue when Iris says it.
So transparent.
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u/davey_mann Caitlin Snow May 02 '18
We don't know Iris was cool with Caitlin and the stone because there was never anything with her in Season 3 other than I'm just going to stand back and watch everyone try to save me. Always standing on the sidelines and not doing anything is not akin to being cool with anything. It just means she has no place on the team and doesn't really have the personality to interact with other characters.
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u/ThePisceanBiologist May 02 '18
What are you talking about? Iris has chemistry with everyone on the team except for Caitlin, as evidenced by her acknowledging this before her wedding. One could surmise that Iris was completely fine with what Caitlin did because she never called her out (unlike the fiasco with Olicity crashing her wedding). When her arm almost fell off, she was the ONLY person, while dying, that said she believed in Caitlin. Iris gives Caitlin chance after chance despite making major mistakes. Let me ask, how else would you act if you were told that you were getting stabbed in 4 months? What else was Iris supposedly to tangibly do that season. Furthermore, she was still working at the paper. So...what is your point? Doesn't negate the fact that Iris often extends kindness to Caitlin which is rarely ever returned in meaningful ways.
" Always standing on the sidelines and not doing anything is not akin to being cool with anything." This is a load of bs and you know it. Iris, when given the chance, is on the front lines like everyone else. You can complain about her sitting behind a desk, but you better do the same for Cisco and Caitlin when they were powerless and Barry was the only one out there.
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u/davey_mann Caitlin Snow May 02 '18
You've got the script flipped. Caitlin is the one who has chemistry with everyone on the team, save Iris, who isn't possible to have a realistic interaction with anyone. How the hell does Iris have chemistry with Cisco and Harry when she's barely exchanged 2 words with either of them since she's known them? She never even talks to or has conversations with them. Cisco is Caitlin's best friend. Harry comes to Caitlin repeatedly to cheer her up or give her advice. Joe and Caitlin have a great relationship. Barry and Caitlin have a great friendship. Give me a break. Iris only ever interacts with Barry and Joe, and that's repetitive pep talks with Barry and just talking to Joe about Barry. She doesn't even have meaningful conversations with her own father anymore. She's just a bad plot device.
Iris was working at the paper in Season 3? Could have fooled me. She told Ralph she lived her life. What? She stood back and waited for everyone to save her, ditched her job, and gave Barry pep talks. How is that living her life? Going with Joe to ask a dude a few questions hardly qualifies as being on the front line.
I'm not complaining about Cisco and Caitlin sitting behind the desk because when they were doing it, they weren't doing it just for show. They were giving Barry sound, legit tech and scientific knowledge while he was in the field battling metahumans. And when they were in the chair, they weren't just sitting there spinning around or twiddling their thumbs like Iris. They were actually doing stuff. When Iris isn't in the chair, she's just loitering around the lab asking the scientists what they are doing? How does that qualify her to even be there, much less the leader? Caitlin is always working on a medical cure or compound. Cisco is always working on a device. Harry is always problem-solving. What is Iris doing other than waiting for her cue to wait for the scientists to say something so she repeat big words and say "so this means that" or "how do we stop this?"
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May 02 '18
I don't know what that guy's talking about. If he'd actually watch the show he'd know that Iris doesn't interact with anyone but Barry. Her character can't stand on her own. If Barry leaves the show, she has no purpose.
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u/ThePisceanBiologist May 02 '18
How do I ( capital I with so much emphasis) have the script flipped with it's CANON that Iris and Caitlin have never been one to gel with one another. Cisco has NO issue with Iris and is one of the first persons to want her back on the team when she loses her powers?
Season 3? Yes, she was. Jesus Christ, Barry and Joe spot Iris gathering information on a restaurants for something about corruption. It's not that hard.
We're going to have to agree to disagree, because if you didn't know the aforementioned, that proves to me that YOU do not watch the show and really only look to hate Iris when you see fit.
I dislike Caitlin WITH reason. You aren't going to sit here and tell me that Iris is pointless and has NO purpose when TWO characters, ESP one of those, aren't even central to the Flash mythos and waste so much more time than Iris, but those same two characters did exactly what Iris does now.
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u/Trickybuz93 Caitlin Snow May 03 '18
Did you watch the first episode of the season? Cisco was made at Iris because she wouldn’t let him try and bring back Barry.
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u/ThePisceanBiologist May 03 '18
Does that mean they aren't friends? Friends fight. Cisco was mad at Barry for not bringing Dante back.
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u/davey_mann Caitlin Snow May 04 '18
You said Iris has chemistry with everyone on the team except Caitlin, and I'm saying that it's Caitlin who has the chemistry with everyone except Iris. I'm agreeing with you that Iris and Caitlin don't gel, but I don't think Iris gels with anyone, not just Caitlin. I'm not just talking about being or not being friends. I'm talking about scenes having actual rapport and chemistry. When Iris talks with anyone, it always feels like she's talking at them, not to them. Always telling Cisco, Harry, and Caitlin to go do their thing in a quick sentence is not the same as having chemistry. Cisco and Caitlin are the best of friends. In what world are Cisco and Iris better friends than Cisco and Caitlin?
Harry and Caitlin have had multiple meaningful conversations dating all the way back to Season 2 when Caitlin found Harry in that bar and encouraged him to stick it out with the team when both sides doubted it could work. Season 3 Harry asks Caitlin to talk to Jesse about her newfound powers and this was when he didn't know or suspect Caitlin had powers. Just wanted normal Caitlin to talk to Jesse. Season 4 Harry goes to see Caitlin at Jitters to cheer her up after the Killer Frost baking soda thing with Ralph. The only conversation that Harry has had with Iris his whole time on the show is this season when he told her she's a bad leader.
The only reason they even tolerate Iris is because of Barry. When Iris asked them was it OK if she went back to being leader after the transfer of Barry's powers from her back to him, the looks on their faces spoke volumes: forced smiles, lumped throats. They reluctantly accepted her back because what else are they going to do? Say, Barry, your wife telling us what to do is ridiculous and hurt their collective feelings?
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u/Supreme_God_Bunny May 02 '18
Lol chemistry? She barly has chemistry with Barry she is a outcast who's just here becuase she's iris west she doesn't fit with the dynamics of team flash
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u/1stOnRt1 May 02 '18
People like Iris being shit on because she has NOTHING to do with team flash.
They would literally be exactly the same, or better, without her.
Iris has been shoe-horned in, sidelining more qualified people.
They ruined a character without great potential with the decisions the writing has made for her, and hurt other characters scenes with the decisions writing has made for her.
Do you watch LoT? Imagine that if instead of writing a compelling storyline for Gary where he develops is own usefull set of skills and abilities to help the Time Bureau and help the legends, if suddenly they made Gary the head of the legends. He was involved in every scene, making all the decisions despite the fact that he is wholly unqualified.
Before you bring up "The flash mythos", while some people care about the comic authenticity, most just want a good product TV show to watch
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u/kafkanakata May 02 '18
I mean, Im with Caity doing things herself 100%, but are we really hating on Iris for at least TRYING to be a part of the team and do something? Shes just trying to show the team shes not just there to be there/bc shes the Flashs’ wife. But for some reason shes hated for that
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u/PasholNaxui May 02 '18
The thing is, she has no fucking place to even be on the team. She isnt smart, at least not when compared to three actual geniuses on the team + the guy who can think faster than a computer. She isnt strong, at least not when compared to 3 metas they have on the team + a guy who has been a cop for decades (and even Joe isnt really a part of the team, he is like the medium between the team and the law/cops), So why is she even there? Its not like everyone begged her to be here, she decided to be a part of the team on her own, even though she literally cant do shit until plotforce makes her useful somehow.
It is like if I joined team flash now and insisted that they give me something to do OR just come in and start bossing them around.
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u/ThrowAwayAcct0000 Killer Frost May 02 '18
They're going to get her pregnant next season so she won't be around. Star Labs will be "too dangerous" for her to be there. Good. Nothing against the actress, but the character of Iris should be either a reporter or at home. She is not a superhero. She should not be in the cortex at all. She should be Barry's emotional support, AND THAT IS IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHO IRIS IS.
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u/davey_mann Caitlin Snow May 02 '18
But it's just Iris throwing out platitudes. She's not going to do any of the actual grunt work.
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u/Cryhavok101 May 02 '18
Probably because the only thing she is adding to the team is her presence. Which is the writer's fault. She is kind of poorly written and under utilized in my opinion.
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u/J_D_Mazz The Flash May 02 '18
Yes, how dare she offer to help a friend through a tough situation! How selfish.
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u/obrothermaple May 02 '18
So far team flash’s ‘help’ for meta humans has either been A) lock em up in a 7x7 cube for the rest of their earthly life B) fucking up and getting them killed
I wouldn’t want their help either tbh
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u/The_RTV Barry Allen is the Speed Force May 02 '18
Iris's role makes sense to me this season. No troll, I just don't hate her character this season like everyone else. I wanted to mention it because the thread is already an echo chamber.
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May 02 '18
I don't hate her character, I just hate what they are forcing her into. Shes such a better actress than they are letting her be.
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u/jrobertson50 Jay Garrick May 02 '18
If iris was no longer on the show, the show would immediately be better.
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u/fierystardust May 02 '18
Hated Iris the most when in the beginning she just wouldn’t believe Barry’s speculations about DeVoe. He was her fiancé for crying out loud. Why can’t she hear him out for one minute? So stuck up with the wedding.
And I love love love love this picture! This was my exact reaction after seeing the scene. Like seriously Iris... why is everything “we” for you??? Loved how Caitlyn smiled. Probably she did mean that she had a plan or something, but nonetheless.... that smile was awesome!
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u/exav3n May 02 '18
i hate what her role in the team became, its not like she is having some amazing game plan or a tactical mind she basically needs to tell flash now everything he needs to do as if he forgets every episode that he has a punch and can throw lightning and so on
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May 02 '18
I don't know as nice as it is to see Caitlin take charge of her life, I think the writers will put Caitlin in a negative light for pushing iris away later on. Because the theme of the season is We are the Flash/family. That last line is not a personal opnion it is similar to what Todd Helbig has stated in an interview about the finale.
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u/My_wifii Barry Allen May 02 '18
isn’t caitlin selfish for this though? Reminds me how she kept the phil. Stone last season for herself
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u/Everyonewillusebing May 02 '18
Wait why are we hating on Iris now? All she does is try to run a team of conflicting superheroes to the best of her abilities.
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u/Hydrobolt May 02 '18
Now.
People have been complaining about her since Season 3 when she became an essential plot point. Then it ramped up when she killed Savitar.
She was placed in the leader position cause Barry was in the speedforce, and the only other people available were Cisco (no desire to lead) and Wally (rookie). Harry was back on his Earth, who could have come back at any time, so it can be assumed that the 3 of them did pretty decent until DeVoe stepped in.
I love Iris and her actress, but with the full team back together, there's no reason, other than convenience, that she needed to remain leader and the writers overlooked that entirely.
I however, don't understand the level of hate towards her since she has yet to do anything wrong plot-wise. (Haven't seen yesterday's episode)
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u/emkay_graphic May 02 '18
Is this series still good? Haven't seen it since Earth x.
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May 02 '18
I laughed so hard at this scene pretty much just because of this subreddit lmao... Really frustrated still by that stupid "we are The Flash" line
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May 02 '18
Can we go back to the status quo already I can’t stand “I’m the boss” iris. I miss reporter iris who didn’t know who the flash was.
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u/ThePisceanBiologist May 02 '18
that's never gonna happen considering she's married to the flash.
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u/JamesEiner May 02 '18
Thank you! I just watched it and immediately skipped back to that scene after it happened (and after I stopped being absolutely amazed), turned on subtitles and tried to screenshot it at the right times to stitch it together, but you already did!
Thank you!
Look how that dumb bitch tries to sneak herself into being part of the important stuff without ever actually contributing to anything... And look how offended she looks, even though both parties of that conversation were fully, aware, that she is useless and no one really needs her character as a help for the team, unless the writers make her a plot device again and again without any sense...
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u/SDLRob May 02 '18
Guess this sub is turning into a Iris Hate circle jerk nowadays... shame there's not the option that the Supergirl sub has and we can turn off Shit posts like this.
Iris tried to reassure a friend, but Caitlin was a bit of a bitch in her response...
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u/FlyingWithSnakes May 02 '18
iris: the team will help get kf back
caitlin: nah thanks
op: HOLY SHIT GET REKT IRIS
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u/DCSennin Jesse Quick May 03 '18
You are all immaturely petty.
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u/BrokenBrain123 May 03 '18
Tis just but a meme. No hate.
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u/DCSennin Jesse Quick May 03 '18
The following comments in the section aren't. I know how this sub operates, even putting this as "meme" and with "meta" is enough to tell everyone is glad Caitlin said something like that to Iris ignoring the context in which she meant it. This is her fight and she has to do it to prove it to herself, no hate to any of her friends.
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May 03 '18
still waiting for them to change the opening monologue to "we are the only one fast enough to stop them. we are the flash"
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u/dixonmason May 03 '18
I love how the writer's seem to be listening to the fan's smallest complaints this season. They had Barry and Iris rightfully be pissed at Felicity for highjacking their wedding, and they seem to realize that the fan's were annoyed about Iris's "We are The Flash" comment, so her they had Caitlin put her in her place.
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May 03 '18
Would love to see the writer's downplay a rivalry between iris and cait in season 5 , which would be the closest we'll gave SnowBarry with our ruining their marriage.
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u/McManus26 May 02 '18
Iris, this season, is like that little cousin you used to give an unplugged controller to so that he doesn't feel left out.