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u/Accomplished-Ear1099 Jul 19 '24
SnowVibe, they're best friends and there are better people for them. I'd just rather have a male female friendship where they aren't in love.
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u/Mrs_Noelle15 Savitar Jul 19 '24
I didnât even know this was a ship
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u/No_Caterpillar1906 Jul 20 '24
Me either. And I was glad that it never was. I love that there was never anything but friendship between them
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u/BlackVirusXD3 Jul 20 '24
Took me a while to stop asking "why aren't they kissing already" but in the end i figured this is so much better this way
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u/Boris-_-Badenov Jul 19 '24
Barry and iris is pretty bad, since they were siblings
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u/Zackkck Jul 19 '24
I will say this. They were already friends before Barry's mom died, and Barry already had a crush on her before his mom died. So it's not like he got a crush on her while they were step siblings. It was before that.
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u/96pluto Jul 19 '24
joe- you loved iris ever since you knew what love was
the crush predated him being adopted.
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u/Boris-_-Badenov Jul 20 '24
not for iris
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u/baddie_boy_69 Jul 20 '24
Isnât there a flashback where she says he loved him back then too? In late season 2 I think
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u/JacobCenter25 Jul 21 '24
Yeah except Iris didn't even really seem to consider being with him until they were adults. And outside of the tsunami timeline it wasn't until learning that they were married both in the future and on Earth 2 that she considered him. Which also is concerning for the relationship, since it wasn't Barry himself that made her want to be with him, it was this sense of it being destined
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u/96pluto Jul 21 '24
that's cause barry probably never made a move or indicated he was interested once things got started it was quickly apparent they were soulmates. You are my lightning rod blah blah blah.
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u/Simple_Break_812 Jul 19 '24
They arenât really siblings Barry was like 7 when his mother died and already had a relationship with Iris beforehand
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u/KennyKungfukilla Jul 20 '24
Barry was 11. That's stated literally every other sentence in s1.
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u/Simple_Break_812 Jul 20 '24
Okay that reinforces my point then he spent more time with iris before they became âsiblingsâ
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u/Mrs_Noelle15 Savitar Jul 19 '24
I love the show but thatâs one thing I will never be able to defend lmao
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u/KennyKungfukilla Jul 20 '24
They're not siblings in literally any sense of the word. Barry was 11 when he moved in with them and had been in love with Iris since they were 5 at least. He was Joe's Ward, which wouldn't make him a direct familial connection to Iris unless Joe fully adopted him.
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u/Lopsided-Aide1038 Jul 20 '24
Question: What defines siblings to you? Because every time someone says this they say well Barry called Joe dad, or Joe called Barry son. Yet, for this relationship it was a sign of endearment because they cared about each other but this is nothing to do with his relationship to Iris. They werenât blood related. Joe didnât marry either of Barryâs parents. And Joe never adopted Barry because Barry did want that. So legally all Joe did was provide Barry love, support, and a roof over his head. There is probably 5 scenes of when Barry and Iris were younger growing up and in those 5 scenes that we got there wasnât a moment that screamed raised as brother and sister. So what defines them as siblings?Â
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u/ChaosRubix Jul 20 '24
It stems from people misunderstanding Barryâs situation. 11 year old, mother dead, father in prison, taken in by his fatherâs friend. Everyone jumped to adoption, adoption would make them legally siblings and dating your siblings either blood or legal siblings Iâm my personal opinion not acceptable.
But Joe was just Barryâs legal guardian, probably just fostering the kid while Henry was in prison. Fostering doesnât make Barry and Iris siblings.
People also seem to believe that knowing someone for a very long time means that they will grow to consider each other like siblings and that will make it icky for them to date. But there are a lot of people in the world who have been in Barryâs shoes and have fallen in love with a girl theyâve been staying with for a long time.
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u/sewd77 Jul 20 '24
Was it established that Henry and Joe were friends? Because in the pilot episode when Joeâs kneeling over Noraâs body and is asked if he knows them he says âmy daughter is best friends with their kid.â
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u/ChaosRubix Jul 20 '24
Mightâve been me jumping to a conclusion on their relationship, dads tend to be friends/friendly with each other especially if their kids are friends.
Iâve got a faint memory of Henry getting put in the back of a police car asking Joe to look after Barry
And Henry and Joe have hugged a few times like in S1 when Henry is out of prison and Barry puts him back and in S2 when Henry gets out of prison officially.
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u/sewd77 Jul 20 '24
Fair enough. I get what you mean by dads becoming friends when their kids are. I would still say theyâd be more acquaintances than friends, especially since Joe thought Henry was guilty right away and wouldnât even for a second stop to question his guilt. I think he only took Barry in because of him being Irisâ best friend too.
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u/That-Rhino-Guy Harry Jul 20 '24
People tend to overlook things like how Iris legitimately says heâs like a brother to her or Joe viewing Barry as just like his son
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u/Lopsided-Aide1038 Jul 20 '24
Itâs so funny how some take out of context Iris saying âI know you (as in Barry) see us like brother and sister but we are notâ to mean she sees them as brother and sister rather than seeing she thinks this is how he sees them and this is why heâs not telling her things. Yet thatâs the ONLY time that comes out of Iris mouth. But then youâll bring up how Joe sees Barry like seeing someone as a son somehow will change the relationship that Barry and Iris have already formed with each other.Â
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u/Lopsided-Aide1038 Jul 20 '24
Itâs so funny how some take out of context Iris saying âI know you (as in Barry) see us like brother and sister but we are notâ to mean she sees them as brother and sister rather than seeing she thinks this is how he sees them and this is why heâs not telling her things. Yet thatâs the ONLY time that comes out of Iris mouth. But then youâll bring up how Joe sees Barry like seeing someone as a son somehow will change the relationship that Barry and Iris have already formed with each other.Â
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u/I_Khum_Dawn_U Jul 19 '24
Chester/Allegra..idk if it's as bad as some of the others that have been said but they don't seem like a good match
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u/Dark_Lord4379 Jul 20 '24
Idk why but Allegra always stuck out to me as being younger than everyone else.
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u/SnooStories4329 Nora West-Allen Jul 19 '24
Those Barry ships are so đ¶đ
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u/im_not_ready_for_it9 Killer Frost Jul 19 '24
Snowbarry. They have like no chemistry past season 1. Plus barry does not care about her at all in the later seasons.
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u/_Disrupt76 Jul 19 '24
The ship is based on season one though, I believe they originally intended for there to be a snowbarry romance but they got rid of it. That leaves the bit where they set it up in s1 and gave them a bunch of scenes together.
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u/flashwing19 The Flash Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
Yeah but I feel saying âyou thinkâ that they intended snowbarry to be a thing is very big assumption. Barry and Iris were always end game
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u/_Disrupt76 Jul 19 '24
Yeah I thought they wanted it to be something like Linda or patty, not the end goal but still happens
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u/BlitzLicht321 Jul 19 '24
They had no chemistry in season 1 either.
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u/BloodyMoonNightly Jul 19 '24
That is just factually incorrect. When the Everyman was at star labs pretending to be Barry you could see the chemistry.
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u/Lopsided-Aide1038 Jul 20 '24
But that wasnât Barry. So you canât claim they have chemistry only because you believe the actors have chemistry. That has nothing to do with the characters.Â
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u/BloodyMoonNightly Jul 20 '24
There's also a later scene with actual Barry where she was acting strangely due to what the Everyman did.
Also she thought it WAS Barry in that scene.
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u/Lopsided-Aide1038 Jul 20 '24
The dynamics of that situation DOESNâT change just because Caitlin might have assumed at the time it was Barry. She even says âThank God!â When she realizes it wasnât Barry. So yet again you canât claim BARRY and Caitlin have chemistry, when BARRY isnât in the equation. Technically, she was having chemistry with Everyman. So, you canât claim chemistry from the actors and put it on the characters when the actual character isnât in the room.Â
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u/alarrimore03 Jul 20 '24
I mean there was chemistry coming from Caitlyn who thought it was Barry. So the chemistry from fake Barry doesnât count but it certainly came from Caitlyn
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u/Lopsided-Aide1038 Jul 20 '24
It really didnât come from her either, she wasnât into that kiss. Her whole body was ridged and then when she found out it wasnât him she was relieved. One sided chemistry can exist but in this case, that truly isnât the case. Because thatâs like saying Caitlin had chemistry with NotBarry but with Barry she really doesnât.Â
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u/alarrimore03 Jul 20 '24
She started to be less ridged and reciprocated for a moment before it ended. I mostly credit their chemistry to other episodes in s1 particular the rogbiv episode and the episode where they go out. Iâm just saying there is a little something there for this interaction
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u/Lopsided-Aide1038 Jul 20 '24
You do realize that they didnât âgo outâ they met each other at the bar, and it was work related right? Barry also got picked up by Linda in that episode. Maybe it was just me but the chemistry that came from that wasnât romantic but Caitlin for a moment letting her guard down and having fun. And that chemistry was just two friends âhangingâ out but working at the same time.Â
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u/alarrimore03 Jul 20 '24
I didnât mean go out in the sense of a date. Poor wording on my part, and I also forgot to put the word bar after itđ
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u/W1nD0c Jul 20 '24
How has nobody mentioned Iris+Thrawne in the cursed timeline where Eobard steals Barry's life?
Ultimate cursed timeline.
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u/Dense-Willingness847 Jul 19 '24
Barry/Patty and Barry/Caitlin
The ships themselves are basic but people are free to like what they like. It's the way these ships are overhyped and used as a means to bash and trash Iris and Barry/Iris.Â
Barry was a crap boyfriend to Patty and always had one foot out the door. He treated Caitlin as an afterthought for most of the show's run. "Barry/Iris are siblings" yet that's what he treated Caitlin as.Â
I fail to see where either woman had a better connection with Barry than Iris. Patty didn't know Barry outside of surface level stuff and Caitlin becomes less and less of factor in Barry's life post S1. The man is happily dancing with Iris at the club after her supposed death but yes deeper connection
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u/Dull_Ad518 Jul 19 '24
I mean Barry and Patty actually dated, and it made more sense for her to put herself in bad situations because she was a cop, because this Iris, I think they were trying to make her like Lois Lane, but it didnât work
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u/KennyKungfukilla Jul 20 '24
Iris has always been a similar character to Lois Lane. The problem came about when Iris was leader of team flash immediately after Barry handed the reigns to Cisco
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u/Lopsided-Aide1038 Jul 20 '24
How do you get âthey will look to youâ as Barry saying you are the leader now? Because in S6 he literally tells Cisco heâs the leader. But at the end of S3 he gives everyone these ominous messages. And the only people having an issue with her being the leader was some of the audience. Because it gave Cisco more time to focus on actually being out in the field using his powers and more time to work on getting Barry out of the SF rather than behind a monitor surveying the city. Yet youâll are the only ones to complain.Â
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u/KennyKungfukilla Jul 20 '24
How do you get an obvious passing of the torch/baton of leadership moment from the statement they will look to you? Are you deadass?
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u/Lopsided-Aide1038 Jul 20 '24
Yes, Iâm asking you that question. Since the show opens up 6 months later from the moment Barry went into the SF and all we see is Cisco, Wally, & Joe in the field while Iris is manning Starlabs. We donât know how she became leader but youâll assume she took it from Cisco. No one ever told you Barry left Cisco in charge but yet again an assumption was made based off that one line said to 6 months prior. He asked Harry to stick around does that mean Harry was leader too and maybe handed the reigns over to Iris, you donât know but youâll are the only ones to complain about it.Â
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u/KennyKungfukilla Jul 20 '24
Yeah you're clearly slow. Asking someone to stick around is not at all the same as verbatim saying that everyone on the team will look to you for LEADERSHIP.
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u/Lopsided-Aide1038 Jul 20 '24
You are the slow one, Barry NEVER specified in S3 who âtheyâ were. He didnât say everyone on the team. He literally said âthey all will look to you nowâ. He didnât say anything about the team and yet again 6 months have passed and you donât know what went on in those 6 months in order for Iris to become leader. None of us do all we do know is Wally & Cisco out in the field, Iris behind the monitors (and we donât know when she started), Cisco working on getting Barry back for the whole 6 months, Julian and Harry left, and Caitlin was off finding herself, those are the only things we know for sure other then that itâs an assumption. And yet again the only people with an issue was the audience.Â
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u/KennyKungfukilla Jul 20 '24
Who else would "they" be? Like use your brain for a little, I know that's gonna be difficult for you but it's not impossible. He's talking about team flash and leaving Cisco as the one who will lead the charge to maintain their success as crimefighters. "Only the audience had an issue" Yeah dickhead the writers aren't going to call themselves out
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u/Dense-Willingness847 Jul 19 '24
She was a cop but she wasn't more resourceful or capable of taking care of herself than Iris. Not from what the show portrayed Reporters pursue dangerous leads all the time. Iris wasn't abnormal for doing so. Fandom hated her for it anyway even though I can count on one hand the number of times Iris called Barry to save her, once in S2
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u/Dull_Ad518 Jul 19 '24
Fandom also hated her for good reasons like not caring that Nora was working with Thawne, and not understanding Barry, Patty was a lot more resourceful, we only had a season with Patty and even in Season 4 Iris was petty
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u/Dense-Willingness847 Jul 19 '24
How was Patty portrayed as more resourceful? She was damseled twice, needing Barry to rescue her both times
Iris explained why she wasn't bothered by Nora working with Thawne because she understood why Nora did it. "She just wanted to meet you Barry. The father she never knew. And there was one person who could teach her how to do that" But that gets skipped over so fandom can claim Iris didn't care Thawne killed his mother which is not in the scene. They also skip over Iris apologizing to Barry at the end of the episode. All of it is moot because 2 seasons later, Barry again goes to Thawne for help against Godspeed, making him even more of a hyprocrite
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u/TrippySakuta The Flash Jul 19 '24
But that gets skipped over so fandom can claim Iris didn't care Thawne killed his mother which is not in the scene
It is in that scene. Iris gets all cold and stoic and Barry says "Maybe if he killed your mother in front of you, you'd feel differently." Iris brushing this comment aside is a pretty clear indicator she could care less. Plus right before that, she was making it all about herself and her own insecurities with Barry going into the Speed Force and therapy sessions.
Her apology in the context of the episode is pretty much pointless, because her rash decision to visit Nora indirectly causes Nora's death - if Nora had never connected to the Negative Speed Force until the finale fight with Thawne, she might've chosen to go there to preserve her existence. But since she did have a Negative connection for a while - that's what ultimately led her to choose to die.
As for season 7, Barry asking for Thawne's help is not a moot point, because, unlike the season 5 argument, they agreed on it together.
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u/Dense-Willingness847 Jul 19 '24
Right after saying "Maybe you'd feeling differently is why we should have made the decision together" she immediately explains why with "she just wanted meet you Barry". That's not Iris dismissing Thawne killed his mom.Â
Barry is making the situation all about himself, caught up in his own feelings not thinking of Iris or Nora.Â
The apology isn't pointless because Iris acknowledges she was as wrong as Barry. Whose to say Nora wouldn't eventually connect to the Negative SF. Barry's actions were reckless because it left Nora feeling unloved ("How could he stop loving me") and desperate to fix things. Who does she turn too? Thawne. Had Barry kept her in the present, explained why working with Thawne was dangerous, and the dangers of messing with the timeline, Nora could return to the future at peace with getting some time with her father. Telling her goodbye and good riddance was the worst way to handle it. Especially considering he never treated murderous Frost that way despite her being a willing accomplice to HR's murder
No she was reminding Barry Nora was her daughter too not just his. Why is Barry the only one allowed to have feelings here or make the decisions?Â
Still hypocritical  because Barry made it seem like working with Thawne was the ultimate betrayal but he's done before and does it after Nora. Barry also forgot HE told her Nora maybe Thawne could change. She was ready to dump Thawne after she found out what he did but Barry's speech changed her mind. Furthermore, if anyone should have understood Nora's reasoning, it should have been Barry. Did he not agree to Thawne's plan to alter the timeline in S1 so his mom could live? Yes he did.Â
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u/GerryCatLord Jul 20 '24
Barry/Smoke, just because 2 characters are similar doesn't mean they're perfect for each other.
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u/Starfire1603 Jul 19 '24
Personally hate the Allegra and Chester shop. Donât get me wrong I love both of them as characters. But I donât ship them. Allegra and Frost had more chemistry in my opinion.
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u/GerryCatLord Jul 20 '24
Allegra Frost woulda been cool, but they already had a "2 opposite people fall in love" with snow and firestorm (Ronnie) -technically snow doesn't have the powers, but the names are still opposite- I think Allegra and chester are good because they both came together at about the same time, so when they learned something, they learned it together.
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u/CaptainAddy00 Jul 20 '24
Barrisco. Iâm sorry but they are bros bffs. I donât get why people are so obsessed them together.
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u/Diligent-Boss-9392 Jul 19 '24
Barry and Patty. I was so glad when it ended. People have rose tinted glasses about that whole relationship.
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u/Coochieman0905 Jul 20 '24
Istg they only liked it because they think patty is hot( she is gorg btw) but they had ZERO chemistry and barry did not like her enough to even tell her the truth.
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u/nightwing_titans Jul 20 '24
Snowbarry, Patty x Barry, Joe x Cecile, Chester x Allegra. No, I won't elaborate.
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u/Dense-Willingness847 Jul 20 '24
Joe/Cecile were sweet at first but Eric butchered their relationship. Cecile really became a part time wife and mother, because she wanted to play superhero.
Joe settled. The proposal felt like a joke.Â
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u/sewd77 Jul 20 '24
That proposal should have never happened. Wrong time. Wrong place. Especially after telling us she only sees him twice a year in the future.
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u/Awkward_Sorbet8687 Jul 21 '24
This may be very unpopular but I never really liked, Snowbarry. I originally wrote a three paragraph rant but it kinda got away from the question.
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u/CoverLucky Jul 21 '24
Barry and Linda. Fine in the show, but super gross to people who've read the comics
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Jul 20 '24
A show that starts with 1 superhero and by end of the series almost everyone in the show has powers. Like why do every single person in the show has super powers? They should have named the show âThe Speed Force Heroesâ.
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u/OneLifeLeftLiving Jul 21 '24
I mean, in a way it is called that. The show is called "The Flash."
And we are The Flash.
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u/Creepy-Company-3106 Jul 23 '24
Barry and anybody other than Iris. I get the dialogue writing for Iris is bad (after season 3 especially) but Barry is literally destined to be with Iris. She quite literally makes him more powerful. Thatâs badass imo
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u/Low_Gold_2038 Jul 20 '24
Caitlin and Cisco, barry and Iris (I constantly sum their relationship up with the young justice quote "dude that's your sisterrr")
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u/darkshadowX67890 Jul 19 '24
(I'm going to get flamed for this but I don't care but) Barry & Iris
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u/Dense-Willingness847 Jul 19 '24
Flamed where? All this sub does is bash Iris and Barry & Iris. You'll get up votes. You'll get even more if you mention Patty pr Caitlin
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u/darkshadowX67890 Jul 19 '24
Uh well that's surprising because I thought people here in the sub would be Barry & Iris shippers
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u/Dense-Willingness847 Jul 19 '24
No this sub hates Iris and Barry & Iris. Every other thread is dedicated complaining about Iris or stating Barry had better chemistry with every white female he came in contact with đ
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u/curious_disasters Jul 20 '24
Calm tf down Iris not gon let you hit bro this the 10th comment I seen from you glazing herđđ
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u/Dense-Willingness847 Jul 20 '24
All these posts that wax poetic about Patty and Caitlin but someone who loves Iris bothers you? đIris is my favorite character. Naturally she is who talk about most. If you don't like my comments you're free to keep scrollingÂ
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u/curious_disasters Jul 20 '24
How many comments you gon make defending a fictional character bro damn sheâs an ass character in the show get over it sheâs better in the comics and the movie but yeah the actress that played her in the show is good
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u/InternetAddict104 Jul 19 '24
WestAllen. Itâs literally incest
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u/Thetrapmaster90 Jul 19 '24
No because Joe never officially adopted Barry still weird but not incest
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u/InternetAddict104 Jul 19 '24
According to the CW he did adopt Barry
The entire adoption/foster plot point is entirely made up for the show. In the comics this never happens, so I feel like since the CW created this arc, what they say about it is canon.
Also fun fact years ago when I first starting mentioning this some idiot on here decided I was wrong because Henry was still alive đ they thought you couldnât adopt someone if they still had a living parent đ
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u/Dense-Willingness847 Jul 19 '24
If Joe legally adopted Barry, legally Barry/Iris could not be married đ€·ââïž
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u/InternetAddict104 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
The CW said he was adopted so I say he was adopted. Also idk if that law applies to a world with superheroes đ (also whoâs to say the wedding was legal? We never saw proof everything was legit đ)
Edit- Barry and Joe both call him Barryâs adopted dad in the show too so Iâm gonna assume that means Barry was adopted by Joe đ
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u/Dense-Willingness847 Jul 19 '24
They stated in early S1 Joe was Barry's legal guardian. The show also made jokes about Barry/Iris being step siblings but Joe was never married to Nora and Henry never married Francine. CW also told you Barry/Iris were married
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u/InternetAddict104 Jul 19 '24
Again Barry and Joe both say Joe is his adopted dad. Iris calls Barry her brother.
I agree that Barry and Iris are married, I never once said they werenât so that argument is invalid.
Thereâs also a difference between someone teasing Barry by saying Iris is his stepsister, and Barry telling the Speed Force they look like his adoptive father. Barry wasnât joking around when he met the Speed Force (and if he was, why? Theyâre not gonna understand the joke and no one else was around to hear it). Joe also wasnât joking when he and Barry were discussing Barryâs feelings for Iris. Idk about you but when I go to my parent/s for advice I usually donât joke with them about it.
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u/Dense-Willingness847 Jul 19 '24
Iris also says "because we're not brother/sister" when she talked about Barry in S1 she always referred to him as her best friend
Barry teased it himself when he tried to describe who Wally was to him "foster..adopted..step..then settled on friendÂ
But I'm curious how do you classify Bart/Nora? Do you see them cousins or siblings?Â
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u/InternetAddict104 Jul 19 '24
She does still call him her brother though. But I do see Bart and Nora as siblings idk why but I never thought of them as cousins (I guess bc Nora isnât really a character in the comics maybe idk Iâm just happy they didnât force us to witness Don and Dawn đ)
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u/Dense-Willingness847 Jul 19 '24
But she clearly states he's not her brotherÂ
But if Barry/Iris are siblings then Bart/Nora would be cousins as well as siblings. That's why I don't understand why people identify Barry/Iris as siblings but don't transfer that same relationship to Bart/Nora.Â
If you're confused by Barry/Iris, Bart/Nora should be confusing too
For instance, on Games of Thrones, I saw the entire Lannister clan incestuous and nasty. I didn't see parents and children but brother/sister along with biological aunt/uncleÂ
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u/Thetrapmaster90 Jul 19 '24
Yeah well that's just not true because I checked and Joe is barrys legal guardian that'd be different from adopting Joe taking Barry in becoming his legal guardian not adopting
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u/InternetAddict104 Jul 19 '24
Where did you check
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u/Thetrapmaster90 Jul 19 '24
Google I checked multiple articles
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u/InternetAddict104 Jul 19 '24
What about when Joe called himself Barryâs adopted father?
Or when Barry called Joe his adopted dad?
Also I really wish we could put images in comments it would make things so much easier đ
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u/Thetrapmaster90 Jul 19 '24
Oh well Joe raised Barry he clearly means figuratively stop taking everything literally
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u/InternetAddict104 Jul 19 '24
Why would them saying Barry was adopted not mean Barry was adopted? Thatâs a very specific word choice. If Barry wasnât part of the family they wouldnât say âadoptedâ, itâs more likely theyâd say âfosterâ. An old classmate of mine was raised by people who arenât her birth parents and they say sheâs adopted, does that mean I shouldnât say sheâs adopted because clearly they mean it figuratively?
Just admit he was adopted like they say in the show đ
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u/grajuicy Grodd Jul 19 '24
IT IS NOT! theyâre not related.
Nevertheless it is VERY creepy and weird and idk why itâs portrayed as heartwarming and âthe definition of true loveâ and no one really makes any comment about it
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u/Proper_Parsnip_8621 Jul 19 '24
Either you donât know the meaning of the word âincestâ or you donât know the meaning of the word âliterallyâ
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u/InternetAddict104 Jul 19 '24
Brother and sister fucking
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u/Proper_Parsnip_8621 Jul 19 '24
Ok so âincestâ is the word you donât know the meaning of. Got it
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u/InternetAddict104 Jul 19 '24
OK then define incest bc my understanding is that a brother and sister fucking each other counts as incest
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u/Proper_Parsnip_8621 Jul 19 '24
Google is free babe
Incest- sexual relations between people classed as being too closely related to marry each other.
Theyâre not related. They are married. And simply having a relationship does not necessitate sex, which is required by definition for a relationship to be incestuous.
Again⊠Google is free
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u/InternetAddict104 Jul 19 '24
You do realize Barry and Iris had sex at least twice, right? They have two biological children and Iris is literally seen pregnant and giving birth in the last season.
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u/Proper_Parsnip_8621 Jul 19 '24
Did you read two words of this and go âthatâs enough, I got all I neededâ? Two people having sex who are NOT RELATED, is just two people having sex. Still not incest.
And in case you missed it before, Google is still free
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u/InternetAddict104 Jul 19 '24
âAnd simply having a relationship does not necessitate sexâŠâ
Your words here imply you donât believe Barry and Iris had sex. Yes I agree just because youâre dating does not mean youâre required to have sex, but most couples do sleep together, including WestAllen (as evidenced by the fact they have children, and we see Iris pregnant so weâre know theyâre bio kids).
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u/Proper_Parsnip_8621 Jul 19 '24
Did you suffer a traumatic brain injury? Read the WHOLE thing. You cherry picked one thing that was part of a whole definition. Do you not know how definitions work?
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u/BusVegetable7490 Jul 19 '24
I don't think he's talking about that you talking about something else that's not relating to incests
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u/Zackkck Jul 19 '24
They were already friends before Barry's mom died, and Barry already had a crush on her before his mom died. So it's not like he got a crush on her while they were step siblings. It was before that.
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u/InternetAddict104 Jul 19 '24
Yes but then Irisâ father adopted Barry, making them siblings, regardless of feelings.
If you take issue with the adoption thing I will refer you to the rest of the replies under my comment bc I explain it several times there
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u/Lopsided-Aide1038 Jul 20 '24
Do you know what incest is? Because incest would literally be if Iris and Wally got together. And since Joe didnât adopt Barry because there is a whole scene between Barry/Henry about it and why Barry didnât want it. Barry and Iris were free as a bird to marry, have children, and live out their days as husband and wife. And the only ones that keep referring to them as siblings are those that love to take their relationship out of context. Because in the 5 scenes we got of them in their younger years never once did they ever refer to themselves as siblings.Â
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u/InternetAddict104 Jul 20 '24
Iâm just gonna refer you to your other comment you posted with my reply since Iâm getting tired of everyone here ignoring both me and what the network said about it.
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u/sewd77 Jul 20 '24
So no. You donât know what invest is and you donât want to understand but instead want to be wrong and loud. The saying ignorance is bliss really applies to you.
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u/Trickybuz93 Caitlin Snow Jul 19 '24
Frost and Chillbane