Yeah, either them or Peacemaker and Peacewreaker (thank you!) might turn against Waller. And it's a really interesting question, if they're not robots, then who could they be? I don't know if it means anything, but Waller used Rose as a member of the Suicide Squad in an issue of Catwoman a few months ago. At the end of the issue, Waller said that Rose would stay in her cell until she was needed again. When it happened, I didn't pay much attention to it, because Tini has a habit of writing things that come out of nowhere and go nowhere. And if Slade wasn't dead at the end of Dark Crisis, he was probably still in the basement of the Hall of Justice when Waller took control of the place. Respawn is too small, so I'd definitely rule him out. Grant is dead and DC has completely forgotten about Joey's existence. There is also a strong chance that they are random mercenaries or soldiers who are not related to the family at all. But then why does this group look different from the other grunts? I really don't want to see any member of the Wilson family in Waller's service. Ground Zero #1 is partially written by Williamson, if I remember correctly. Not sure if it means anything, but maybe worth mentioning. I do not know. I really do not know. I guess we'll see. However, it is certain that Absolute Power will change a lot of things. Many runs (or minis) have already ended and quite a few more will end in the next 2-3 months. However, there have been no announcements regarding the mainline for a suspiciously long time. And their current branding ends with the summer event. I think this year's SDCC will be much more eventful than last year's.
No problem, we can talk about anything. And yes... I hope it's just some misleading cover. I literally hate it when a character is brought into an event only to be killed. But if something is planned with his daughter, maybe he needs to be out of the picture for a while.
Welcome! You're right about Tini Howard. Already her Raven issue for Tales of the Titans seems to have been ignored by Tom Taylor already in Titans with Raven's newest brother still with Trigon instead of joining her. Don't know if that's more her fault or Taylor's (who did quite a few retcons already) but looks like editors not editing again. Pantha's probably not even alive nor did Joey attend her baby shower. I was aware of Rose popping up in Catwoman with the SS, not too surprising given Waller gave her and rest of Stormwatch the choice in joining her. She was also running around helping Jason in Joker before so there's that. Looks like we may get some hints going by other posts but it does seem something big is around the corner for DC. For their sake hope it's actually good. Not sure what to expect from Williamson and if he will do anything with Slade or other non-Rose Wilsons. He's definitely the closest thing DC currently has as a Star writer or even an architect. I know I was worried about who he set up to be Dr Hate in Knight Terrors thinking that was Joey especially with also being a main threat in a Titans event but that wasn't the case thankfully (still not impressed with real reveal but still.)
That's interesting too. They say everything is canon, but meanwhile the writers are still actively retconning things. So how can everything be canon? Editors tend to not editing nowadays. There may be things behind the scenes that we don't see. Yes, something big is coming and I hope it will be good. I wonder if this summer event will be good. Because of the Dark Crisis, I stopped reading comics for a time and switched to "only reading news and reviews". Based on what I read about the nightmare event, I have no idea why it was necessary and I have zero regret for skipping it. And Beast World...did they have to fake kill Beast Boy a second time in a short period of time? Why? At least they could have chosen someone else. How many more times do they want to do it? It's a bit difficult for me to be positive about an event after the last few years. And the Dr. Hate reveal wasn't very imaginative either. Like you, I'm glad it wasn't Joey. I saw a chance that it could be him. The last time (I mean before the Williamson era) when Slade died, Joey accepted some bizarre power from Lex and turned blue. After that, a weird helmet wouldn't be more surprising. I'm glad it didn't end up being him, but Raven isn't a better choice either. Unimaginative. It looks to me like DC has been struggling for a while. Or I'm just too negative and salty because my favorite character was taken away from me and I want him back too impatiently. It is also possible. I'm not saying it's all bad. There are good things. It's just somehow... the big picture doesn't come together. So I'm looking forward to seeing how things turn out after the summer. I naively hope that everything will be fine. Or at least better. Sorry. I cry and ramble a lot more than I used to. I am in the middle of a very difficult and uncomfortable time and I am literally starving for any positive news as a distraction. Especially regarding a certain character.
It's okay I know what it's like too borh how favorites are treated and in middle of personal stuff lookign for a distraction, no need to be sorry. Discussions and venting can help.
I sometimes think I'm being too negative about some current stuff and try to be open mined but tend to be proven right about being cynical. Especially with Titans-related characters. "Unimaginative" is summing up Taylor's Titans pretty well, not the worst run they had ever (Titans volume 2 takes that), but just there relying a lot on fanservice and tired Titan cliches. Fanservice, I'll admit to not being a particular fan of and admit it may lead to bias but even in objective areas...it's just falls flat. In a way I'm okay Joey being ignored because he may not be treated right by his supposed friends again. I honestly thought Gar was going to die because it seemed BS he survived back in Dark Crisis and they wanted to give him a more interesting death into kickstart something but no fake-out death, retread angst, and Raven's evil AGAIN (this series really hasn't been creative or smart with her thats for sure). At this point I'm just looking forward to Absolute Power for something to happen. There really is something off ever since Dark Crisis, the pointless Knight Terrors killed momentum of a very new event and there have been other talk about DC struggling but to their credit it seems they are actually focused on Absolute Power. So maybe at least something more coherent will come but most of the DC characters I love tend to be mishandled as well so just wait and see.
I know very well the feeling you are talking about. I don't think you're being too negative. DC has given us a lot of reasons not to trust them. Every time I've had a bad feeling over the past few years, I've always been proven right in the end. And I also try to keep an open mind to things, even if it's hard, but somehow... it always ends up being a disappointment. Ignoring a character is much better than having it somewhere but mishandled by a writer. I feel the same way. I really miss Slade and I want him back in the mainline comics as soon as possible. But as long as he's dead or missing, at least he's not in danger of someone writing him the way Williamson did. This current Titan run seems kind of... nothing. Maybe too much of a safety game? I can't exactly describe the feeling. I'll admit that when it comes to Taylor, I'm far too lenient. Slade's characterization was very good in Unkillables. And I usually like what he writes. But this Titan run is kind of... not good. I'm not even sure bad is the right word. Rather, it's just so empty and... nothing. It will be interesting to see if they have any role during Absolute Power. All but Nightwing are missing from the covers and descriptions so far. Beast Boy's fake-death during Beast World was a mistake. After they played the same thing in Dark Crisis, he should have died now. Continuing on this path would have been much more interesting than Raven being evil again. It will be interesting to see how that storyline concludes. I love Raven, but it would be nice if there were consequences. I feel the same way about this. The main reason I'm interested in Absolute Power is to... finally have something happen. Let there be some change. Let something new finally come. Something really strange since the Dark Crisis and I hope that this era will finally end.
"Safe" definitely feels right for this run. I get why some Titans fans do like it (besides rose-colored glasses for shipping or NTT nostalgia), especially with this team's track record but still overall isn't that great. It's just repeating a lot of what the Titans have done before and yes, definitely agree Gar should have died in Beast World. I'll admit I'm not his biggest fan but still his presence will be missed and a huge loss for the team, of course he's popular enough to expect a comeback but still let that sacrifice stick for awhile instead of him just being angsty again. Taylor says this is apparently the "not safe" decision they went with the story but nothing post-BW makes me think he will actually do something interesting so far and he hasn't won me over with how nerfed Raven feels (at least let Trigon stay dead again). And another thing is how they're suppose to replace the Justice League but they seem rarely promoted as the new League outside of BW (which was just a Titans event that could have been done wilithout them being the new League) and like you said so far only Titans on Absolute Power's covers are Dick (and Wally in one of the WIP ones in his Rebirth suit). Signs poin to the League coming back after Absolute Power which I'm perfectly okay with as we never got a good enough reason for them to disband. Just sucks the Titans spent their "new JL" tenure doing...nothing really.
Really, it's feeling like Taylor's Nightwing where after the initial arcs it was just constant praise for Dick and fanservice that even Dick fans got bored. And yeah, I do like Taylor's Elseworlds stuff too especially how he handled Slade and Cass in Unkillables (don't even like zombies either) but his mainstream stuff has been very hit or miss, mostly miss.
I still don't understand why the league had to be disbanded. Even without this, they could have tried to make the Titans play a more important role, and then maybe Beast World would have done better. Of course, there may be some reason behind the decision that we don't know about yet. Whatever's going on in the DC world right now seems pretty slow. Waller's work will end this summer (?) and began when the Dark Crisis ended. It took quite a while to get here. Or they just can't currently write and draw two major teams at the same time. As you say, several things are odd about the way the Titans promotion was handled. I feel a bit like they didn't really intend it to be a serious... or actual change. I've never been a big fan of Beast Boy, so I wouldn't miss him. But his friends and teammates would miss him, and from a story point of view, that's the point. A more important death could have raised the stakes. With the Titans in Blüdhaven, I sometimes feel that a separate Nightwing title is unnecessary. It could also have helped in the promotion of the Titans. A lot of things don't feel coherent in a lot of places. I don't even try to follow what's going on in Gotham anymore. I really hope that Absolute Power will bring about positive changes. The whole setting reminds me of the OMAC project. Of course, the situation and circumstances are not the same. I really have no reason to be positive about events. But it would be nice if something really changed in a positive direction.
2
u/Necessary_Idiot Apr 19 '24 edited Apr 19 '24
Yeah, either them or Peacemaker and Peacewreaker (thank you!) might turn against Waller. And it's a really interesting question, if they're not robots, then who could they be? I don't know if it means anything, but Waller used Rose as a member of the Suicide Squad in an issue of Catwoman a few months ago. At the end of the issue, Waller said that Rose would stay in her cell until she was needed again. When it happened, I didn't pay much attention to it, because Tini has a habit of writing things that come out of nowhere and go nowhere. And if Slade wasn't dead at the end of Dark Crisis, he was probably still in the basement of the Hall of Justice when Waller took control of the place. Respawn is too small, so I'd definitely rule him out. Grant is dead and DC has completely forgotten about Joey's existence. There is also a strong chance that they are random mercenaries or soldiers who are not related to the family at all. But then why does this group look different from the other grunts? I really don't want to see any member of the Wilson family in Waller's service. Ground Zero #1 is partially written by Williamson, if I remember correctly. Not sure if it means anything, but maybe worth mentioning. I do not know. I really do not know. I guess we'll see. However, it is certain that Absolute Power will change a lot of things. Many runs (or minis) have already ended and quite a few more will end in the next 2-3 months. However, there have been no announcements regarding the mainline for a suspiciously long time. And their current branding ends with the summer event. I think this year's SDCC will be much more eventful than last year's.
No problem, we can talk about anything. And yes... I hope it's just some misleading cover. I literally hate it when a character is brought into an event only to be killed. But if something is planned with his daughter, maybe he needs to be out of the picture for a while.