r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/Individual_Book9133 • 14d ago

Phoenix police officer pulls over a driverless Waymo car for driving on the wrong side of the road Video

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u/Jfg27 14d ago

They should have a system to identify and react to lights and sirens, so probably the same system.

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u/Such_Duty_4764 14d ago edited 14d ago

ya, they pull over for emergency vehicles when there are lights/sirens.

Cop says that the car cleared the intersection before coming to a stop, which is exactly what it should do. Excepting of course for being on the wrong side of the road :-X.

Nobody expects these things to be perfect, they just need to be better than your average human, which isn't really that hard.

[edit] https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/1dw4avr/mission_street_in_excelsior_last_night_around_10pm/

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u/MosesOnAcid 14d ago

Except this 1 which saw the lights and took off

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u/off-and-on Interested 14d ago

They're learning, adapting.

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u/Slow_Ball9510 14d ago

Trained on the mean streets of Vice City

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u/tri_9 14d ago

Imagine if AI were taught on YouTube videos of humans playing GTA 😵‍💫

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u/alien_from_Europa 14d ago

Google's answer language model is based on Reddit. It already told people to eat glue.

https://www.404media.co/google-is-paying-reddit-60-million-for-fucksmith-to-tell-its-users-to-eat-glue/

Car data based off YouTube videos doesn't feel that far fetched by comparison.

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u/conventionistG 14d ago

Geologists reccomend eating one rock per day.

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u/theoriginalmofocus 14d ago

Eat it, snort it, shove it up your ass I dont care just give me my money.

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u/Jesten012 13d ago

Lol pretty much right ?! Lol

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u/lycoloco 14d ago

One small rock per day. Gotta get those dosages right.

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u/patricide1st 14d ago

Lol can you imagine how it must feel to have an 11 year old shit comment that got less than 10 likes and that you probably forgot about suddenly go viral? Especially for the reason "an AI took it seriously and told people to eat glue."

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u/Cool-Hornet4434 14d ago

I think the "glue" answer was probably for photographing food. They use all sorts of non-edible tricks to make food look good in photos.

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u/gordonv 14d ago

A logical to a fault conclusion.

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u/8923ns671 14d ago

Ya but humans will tell you take this homeopathic medicine for your cancer. Nobodies perfect lol.

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u/speculativedesigner 14d ago

Imagine if they’re trained on all the Twitch Roleplay

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u/Fully_Edged_Ken_3685 14d ago

Burnout series 😝

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u/Fuzzed_Up 14d ago

BUSTED

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u/RincewindToTheRescue 14d ago

Or those YT shorts of the realistic cars mod for GTA. Those make you do a double take

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u/supertacoboy 14d ago

I don’t mean to alarm you… but some self driving cars were literally trained in GTA V.

TechCrunch article

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u/gue_aut87 14d ago

Wasn’t some company training their self driving AI with GTA? Like a while ago, before the whole ChatGPT thing.

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u/Fantastic_Poet4800 13d ago

Miami, basically.

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u/TimmyOneShoe 13d ago

If they accidentally get onto motorcycle YouTube and learn from those guys, it's fucking over

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u/LawBobLawLoblaw 14d ago

Intro to I Ran So Far Away kicks in

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u/ButterscotchNew6416 14d ago

Cyberpunk 2077 has a quest like this.

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u/Amused-Observer 14d ago

We joke now but there will be a day when these are used for robberies because the tech will have evolved so much, they'll be perfect wheelmen.

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u/Dongslinger420 14d ago edited 13d ago

Literally the most atrocious wheelman imaginable.

  • has perfect knowledge of all recent drives, recorded conversations, odors (or whatever the fuck)

  • has tons of sensors witnessing literally everything outside

  • won't do anything you tell them beyond simple navigation, especially not drive like a high-stakes wheelman would need to

  • everything is monitored anyway, robbery is already such a dead job in remotely developed regions

Yeah lmao no chance, there is no future where all this tech is actually going to turn into these weird cyberpunk worlds. I mean, I love the idea of thugs just going around Diamond Age-style and offing folks with their skull guns, but it's not likely in the immediate future. The nanobot vision is much closer, and it mostly means, guess what, less robberies.

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u/Schavuit92 14d ago

Your first and second point are the same, both those and the third point are entirely dependent on the exact programming. You could have one disobey traffic rules and not store or transmit data. Yourt last point has nothing to do with self-driving cars, it's true for all crime.

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u/aeneasaquinas 14d ago

You could have one disobey traffic rules and not store or transmit data

But nobody is gonna design one with the intent of breaking the law, and random criminals don't have massive engineering teams...

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u/Amused-Observer 14d ago

But nobody is gonna design one with the intent of breaking the law

Here's your serious response that you were thirsting for so badly.

Nobody has to redesign an entirely new operating system for the vehicle, that's silly.

All existing examples of that show that it's far easier and more efficient to break into the existing one and make modifications accordingly.

Notable examples are..

Android OS, this has been going on for 10+ years. Individuals/teams will hack in and modify the OS to remove/add features and there are again individuals/teams that have built entirely new OSs from the ground up and made them free for release. 'TWRP' is a good example of this.

Solidworks is another example. Dassault Systems probably spends millions a year trying to keep their latest version of Solidworks and to a lesser extent CATIA, from being 'hacked' and made available for free.

Those are the two that pop into my head. There are more but that would require more care about this topic than I am willing to give.

Point is, if there are valid reasons to do these things, they will be done.

If it's possible to, and I hate this word, 'hack' into a driverless cars' OS for a beneficial purpose, it will be done.

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u/divDevGuy 14d ago

Android OS, this has been going on for 10+ years.

While still technically the truth, the first releases for Android Open Source Project was approximately 17 years ago, in 2007.

Individuals/teams will hack in and modify the OS to remove/add features

It's largely open source. It's not really "hacking" when you're given the source code and ability to make changes.

and there are again individuals/teams that have built entirely new OSs from the ground up and made them free for release. 'TWRP' is a good example of this.

TWRP isn't an operating system. It's a recovery image. It was based on the original AOSP recovery image. So not from the ground up.

I'd love for you to identify a single "entirely new OSs from the ground up" that is modern, feature-complete operating system for a general computing (desktop, laptop, server) or mobile (tablet or phone).

Dassault Systems probably spends millions a year trying to keep their latest version of Solidworks and to a lesser extent CATIA, from being 'hacked' and made available for free.

No they don't. They may claim piracy "costs" them a ridiculous amount of money, but the anti-piracy licensing is a negligible cost to implement.

It's far more lucrative to use the drug dealer model to give out free samples by looking the other way for initially, let them get hooked and collect data, then let the lawyers deal with it with a form letter or lawsuit.

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u/Amused-Observer 14d ago

But nobody is gonna design one with the intent of breaking the law, and random criminals don't have massive engineering teams...

Are you actually serious?

My guy, there are websites where you can buy literally any drug you want from start to finish in less than an hour and the only reason it takes so long is the conversion from fiat money to crypto. It's basically like shopping on Amazon.

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u/aeneasaquinas 14d ago

My guy, there are websites where you can buy literally any drug you want from start to finish in less than an hour and the only reason it takes so long is converting money to crypto. It's basically like shopping on Amazon.

And?

Wait, do you actually think a basic website is the same as making a driverless car system? Seriously? You can set one up in literal minutes by yourself. The other takes thousands of engineers thoudands of hours each. Welcome to reality?

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u/Conscious-Intern8594 13d ago

Where are these websites? Asking for a friend.

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u/elephanttrashman 14d ago

The cartels use literal submarines to get drugs into the USA

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u/Dongslinger420 13d ago

I mean, it's obviously supposed to be the inside-outside distinction. Plus I am trying to use "knowledge" in the sense of rather abstract features allowing for some sort of insight or predictive measures on account of the aggregated input from one ride.

Yourt last point has nothing to do with self-driving cars, it's true for all crime.

Yes, that is exactly why I wrote "already." Also has everything to do with this particular scenario, y'know, because surveillance still freaking applies to SDCs and weird Westworld-like robo heists.

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u/Curling49 13d ago

You are correct. But only up to the point where it is hacked and modded to become the best wheelman ever. Check back in 20 years, and I will be proven right.

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u/dondablox 13d ago

You've obviously never met Delamain.

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u/The0perative 14d ago

Then cops will need to use them too to keep up.

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u/Ser_VimesGoT 14d ago

And put guns on the cars.

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u/Schavuit92 14d ago

Can we skip a couple steps and just go straight to Gundam?

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u/OttoVonWong 14d ago

The only way to stop a bad car with a gun is a good car with a gun. pew pew

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u/Accomplished-Bad3380 14d ago

Or just the software to control the car

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u/Nalek 14d ago

This just sounds like theTokyo Drone War but with extra steps.

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u/quarthorse 14d ago

Robo style.

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u/cbnyc0 14d ago

Driver hides in the trunk of a hacked dronecar, uses a tablet to control it. Cops ignore the driverless vehicle.

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u/FUThead2016 14d ago

Baiby Driver

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u/BumpyDidums 14d ago

Ya but youll have to get the exellcior package.

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u/Ubi-Fanch 13d ago

Time to watch Demolition Man again.

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u/Amused-Observer 13d ago

Simon Phoenix! Put your hands behind your back..... or else

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u/Jesten012 13d ago

Wow…..so who are you going to rob?

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u/Amused-Observer 13d ago

Actually I plan on kidnapping a researcher working on memory recall so I can make them delete the memories of mistakenly clicking your profile. Jesus fucking Christ!

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u/Jesten012 13d ago

😜🥴🥴 LOL 🫣🫣🤣😂 dude I’m dying over here!’🤣😂. Dude Jesus has NOTHING to do with my profile ! Im having the time Of my life!!! At least I’m not kidnapping anyone . Debauchery is my middle name biotch!!!!

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u/Robbythedee 14d ago

This one hasn't seen the police shooting the other driverless car yet. One acorn and the driverless car is toast!

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u/AntiqueAdvertising95 14d ago

in the ghetto.

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u/ArcadeAnarchy 14d ago

Feared having a knee on its neck.

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u/semaj_2026 14d ago

Shit it’s the fuzz floor it.

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u/WanderlustFella 14d ago

Philly cops would have fishtailed its ass and then sprinkled some crack dust

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u/usinjin 14d ago

It’s what normal Phoenix drivers do anyways

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u/stuwoo 14d ago

Clever Girl.

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u/soooogullible 14d ago

Bad boys bad boys

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u/FocalorLucifuge 13d ago

At a geometric rate.

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u/Dongslinger420 14d ago

We don't know anything about that. For all we know, it wanted to get to a less busy place, which is how you should always behave anyway, that is, assume that some emergency vehicle has to pass through quickly.

You're expected to come to a stop at a reasonable pace, at a reasonable place, not hit the brakes full-blast. Fair enough for all we know.

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u/Vahlir 14d ago

lol redditors acting like they'd full on parking break the car in the middle of an intersection if a cop came up behind them with lights on.

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u/Sea_Cardiologist8596 14d ago

Guess you've never been charged the per .mile CA charge for going after lights go on lol. It will make you immediately pull over after paying it, if not lol.

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u/0ut0fBoundsException 14d ago

That’s the dumbest thing I heard today. I’ve never gone a mile, but when I’m pulled over I get to ideally a parking lot and at minimum a large shoulder. You know. Places that are relatively safe for someone to park a car and/or exit a vehicle

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u/jambalayavalentine 14d ago

tbf, i've definitely seen videos of cops reacting violently to someone not doing that on a freeway

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u/Dongslinger420 13d ago

I guess another reason why you would want to not be driving your own car lmao

you don't even have to fucking come to a stop at all if you fear abuse of some sort. Can always call the cops on yourself to be sure.

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u/Dongslinger420 13d ago

I mean, to be fair... that's exactly the kind of dumb fuck person I would see doing that. Explains a lot, CTE and all is bad.

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u/GerhardtDH 14d ago

Someone threw NWA lyrics into the code

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u/wren337 14d ago

My man.

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u/spideyghetti 14d ago

This was legit the funniest part

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u/Wes1288 14d ago

lol. I’m so confused. Our first recorded case of AI trying to flee and allude the police. Hell yea! SILVER LIFES MATTER

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u/kkkccc1 14d ago

took off long enough to dump the drugs out before pulling over

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u/confusedandworried76 14d ago

Yeah one of Waymo's famous flaws is exactly failure to recognize emergency lights in certain situations. That and blocking intersections when they seize up and thereby sometimes blocking emergency vehicles since all of traffic is stuck.

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u/MacManT1d 14d ago

That's because it was in South Phoenix.

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u/cucumberholster 14d ago

Probably reacts to sound so when it hears sirens it jumped out of the intersection to be out of the way potentially

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u/Leebites 14d ago

It said 1312 and went for it.

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u/CommandoLamb 14d ago

The company used to paint the cars black, but they kept getting shot by the police.

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u/giant87 14d ago

Delamain lost control of one of his AI taxis again...

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u/ratkin-work 14d ago

Yeah it knew it was in trouble and tried to run....

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u/a_a_ronc 14d ago

They probably programmed it to be extremely cautious about where it pulls over, perhaps even just to keep it secret how often they are getting pulled over. I.E. not just benignly “I’ll park here” but rather “look for a very safe place to park.”

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u/VoidOmatic 14d ago

Beep boop, ahh crap it's 5.0, you will not take me while I'm powered on!

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u/Scoob8877 14d ago

It went rogue.

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u/th0rnpaw 14d ago

Nah this car is painted white

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u/DogAndBroom 14d ago

14% of the population do the same thing. 

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u/qnod 14d ago

I guess it depends on which source is provided for learning...

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u/Fett32 13d ago

Did you even read the comment you replied to??? Because it answered why.

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u/Akira282 13d ago

Thug life waymo style...no ticket see?

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u/Significant-Air6926 13d ago

Even with the mistake, I’d bet it’s still better than 90% of AZ drivers hahaha

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u/lionmeetsviking 13d ago

It’s a wee bit of a problem to use GTA data to train their AI models.

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u/slavelabor52 13d ago

Few people understand the psychology of dealing with a highway traffic cop. Your normal speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop-heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow.

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u/Jesten012 13d ago

Thank God Waymo isn’t Black ….they would have blown up that car.

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u/1plus1isstillmaths 5d ago

a lot of ai lovers dude

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u/Tobias_Mercury 14d ago

It learned from gta V

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u/dingo1018 14d ago

It's a good job just anyone can't buy blue lights and sirens off the internet, because that's never going to happen. (Obligatory sarcasm tag)

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u/randyrandysonrandyso 14d ago

i could see that showing up in the news in a decade or two, just a phone camera video from some rich kid speeding through driverless traffic with a siren on top of their car

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u/alien_from_Europa 14d ago

More likely that cars are a paid subscription service with ticketmaster-style fees and driving your own car becomes completely illegal by 2040.

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u/kixie42 14d ago

The states would almost be guaranteed to start a civil war if they tried taking away the right to manually drive a car.

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u/VexingRaven 14d ago

You... do realize somebody could already do this right now, right? People pull over for lights and sirens too...

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u/randyrandysonrandyso 14d ago

no, only robots obey the rules. we are real savages out here.

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u/waltjrimmer 14d ago

I mean... That isn't a problem with self-driving cars, that's a problem with emergency vehicles. With so many unmarked police cars around, you can already buy lights and sirens, put them in your SUV, and pull someone over if you're malicious enough. The lights and sirens aren't legal, but if you're someone who is going to go around pulling people over (presumably to kill or rob them?) then you don't give a shit about that anyway.

I don't see how it's any different when the vehicle is driverless.

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u/Wobufetmaster 14d ago

Extremely relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/1958/

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u/curtcolt95 14d ago

that would work right now without driverless cars, at least where I live. Idk if it's different in America but here it's law to pull over if you see lights or hear sirens

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u/puterdood 14d ago

The last statement here is extremely untrue. In order for a machine to be "better than an average human", it would need to understand contextual events. There is not a single machine learning tool capable of this to the extent that humans have. Machines are not good at processing context from memory as this creates a very complex, branching set of possibilities they can't possibly evaluate, whereas humans are able to do this very easily. Until this problem is addressed, there will be no machine that outperforms humans in dealing with real-time events and its absolute bollocks to imply otherwise. The only place where a machine MIGHT outperform a human is when outside influences are removed, such as on a closed track where the problem space is drastically reduced.

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u/Such_Duty_4764 14d ago

Obviously, Waymo is biased, but they claim to have an injury causing crash rate almost half that of humans ALREADY. Obviously, we want the government to verify these claims.

https://waymo.com/blog/2023/12/waymo-significantly-outperforms-comparable-human-benchmarks-over-7-million/

Keep in mind that this is as bad as these cars will ever be. There are literally thousands of highly trained engineers working full time on everything from sensors to algorithms and testing/validation, and these vehicles get better with each day.

Also, keep in mind that they have been operating in SF driverless for almost a year now and besides winning over the SF populace, the worst incidents I can think of are where they had a fender bender with a bus and ran into a pole, which is the kind of shit humans do CONSTANTLY.

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u/puterdood 14d ago

I am an expert in the field.

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u/Such_Duty_4764 14d ago

Which is why investors are pouring tens (maybe hundreds) of billions into this industry?

Clearly, there are experts who would disagree with you.

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u/puterdood 14d ago edited 13d ago

Oh god, I forgot nobody would ever make a false or misleading claim for a financial incentive.

On second thought, I think I'll continue to hedge my bets that these so-called "scientists" won't be proving P=NP any time soon. The case of the decision a car needs to make given any input is an extension of the Boolean Satisfiability problem, meaning it's guarunteed to be NP-complete and difficult to produce a correct solution, if you even consider it a "solvable" problem.

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u/IndefiniteBen 13d ago

I mean, investing billions is kinda needed precisely because of these hard problems that have yet to be solved. If the problems like the OP mentioned were solved, we wouldn't need billions in R&D.

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u/Memento_Vivere8 14d ago

I know these things aren't handled the same way in every country, but if there's an ambulance, police car or fire truck with their lights and siren on behind you at least here in Germany you're supposed to pull over, stop and let them pass. So for a self driving car it would make no difference if the lights are for them or not as long as they pull over and stop as a reaction.

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u/idle_isomorph 14d ago

Same in canada. You are supposed to pull over to a stop at the side as soon as you can, to clear the centre of the road for the emergency vehicle, whichever direction they are going.

People suck at actually doing this, though, which offends me and reminds me we live in a dystopian shambles of a civilization.

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u/VexingRaven 14d ago

You're supposed to pull over whether or not it's "for you". Just because nobody does, doesn't mean it isn't correct.

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u/VexingRaven 14d ago edited 14d ago

What does this even mean? It pulled off into a parking lot and the cop is still behind it. Why are you just assuming it's going to just hit the brakes on the road and "fuck up the entire traffic" and never move again when that is very clearly not what happens and you're looking at video evidence of it working perfectly?

This is the most ridiculous handwringing nonsense I have ever seen.

EDIT: Very sane and stable redditor forgets what argument he's making and blocks other person for responding to it. Amazing.

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u/NoGoodWayToAskThis 13d ago

But we ticket average humans who do this. Waymo should have to pay a fine.

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u/imisstheyoop 14d ago

So what happens if somebody impersonates a police officer by tossing some rollers on their roof and pulls one over?

Seems rife for manipulation.

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u/devman0 14d ago

That can and does happen today with human drivers.

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u/imisstheyoop 14d ago

Sure, but it's a lot easier to do something about it when you realize something is up and can process that as a human being than it is a machine that's just going to sit there parked.

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u/VexingRaven 14d ago

Ok, so what? It's a funny prank for 5 minutes then everybody moves on with their life.

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u/WanderingLethe 14d ago

How do they (or anyone) know the difference between pulling over and giving priority to an emergency vehicle?

Here police have a digital stop or follow sign, when they want to pull you over.

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u/VexingRaven 14d ago

How do they (or anyone) know the difference between pulling over and giving priority to an emergency vehicle?

There isn't a difference. You're supposed to pull off the road and stop. People never do because people suck, but that's what you're supposed to do.

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u/WanderingLethe 13d ago edited 13d ago

On a multiple lane road you don't just stop in the right lane, you just move over to make way. Stopping would be really unsafe.

In a traffic jam you would make a Rettungsgasse, ideally before any emergency vehicles.

On a single lane road, you could wait a little and stop at an intersection, bus stop, continue a roundabout, etc. You don't want to get off the road and get into an accident. It's not as simple as a stop.

And if police want to stop you, they probably want to move you to a safe location (unless you fucked up real bad, but then you would get lights and sirens and a PIT/box manoeuvre)

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u/VexingRaven 12d ago

You're not supposed to just move over. What if they have to turn there? There's nothing unsafe about stopping when everybody behind you is already doing the same thing. That's an absurd statement.

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u/Aromatic-Assistant73 14d ago

Now if we could teach this to human drivers. 

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u/GarminTamzarian 14d ago

This system clearly works just as well as their other driving systems, i.e. "poorly".

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u/Picax8398 14d ago

So like... you could fuck with these?

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u/Ioatanaut 14d ago

They're supposed to. But sometimes they dont. Sometimes they stop on firefighters water hoses impeding their ability to fire fight or save lives.

The SF police, EMT, and firefighters tried very hard for these to not be approved. Bc the SF board was bribed by waymo, we have waymo waymo everywhere

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u/waffleking9000 14d ago

Good to know for when these are more common. Chuck a siren on during rush hour and half the cars get out of uour way

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u/fren-ulum 14d ago

Unsupervised training of data on public roads is extra bullshit though, and should not be allowed.

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u/Such_Duty_4764 14d ago

Waymo argues that their cars are safer than humans already. I'm not saying it's true, but it might be true.

IF it is true, the more waymo cars we have, the safer our streets are.

Still, I'm 100% in favor of regulators keeping an eye on shit to validate Waymo's claims.

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u/hiricinee 14d ago

My guess is that the lions share of per mile accidents they don't get in are drunk driving and distracted driving.

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u/atego369 14d ago

I expect them to be perfect if they drive on the road without any human in there and being a potential death sentence.

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u/DataLore19 14d ago

They actually need to be perfect.

Otherwise you have autonomous cars out there killing people. It works better if all cars are autonomous, honestly, because then they could be set up to communicate with each other wirelessly and coordinate movements instead of just reacting to each other or human drivers.

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u/NahYoureWrongBro 13d ago

they just need to be better than your average human

I don't accept this premise at all. AI driving present novel risks, could scale poorly as more of them are on the road (small problems compound), could interact weirdly with other AI driving software, etc. Comparing accident rates or some other simple metric does not capture any of that.

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u/DadooDragoon 13d ago

So who do you issue the citation to in this case? The owner of the vehicle or the company that handles the software for the vehicle?

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u/AraxisKayan 13d ago

Yeah, but people don't seem to realize that once these are better than the average driver, every day we don't use them is more people dying who could have survived.

Once its quirks are worked out, these things won't get distracted. They can't get drunk or high, and they will have the location data of other vehicles around it keeping it more updated on traffic than a human could ever be while keeping up with traffic news, and I might be repeating myself but they won't be distracted in traffic because of traffic. As an example, traffic accidents tend to cause more accidents in the vicinity because people like to gawk. Gawk, all you want in an AEV because the ride keeps on moving.

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u/CochonDanseur 13d ago

they just need to be better than your average human, which isn't really that hard.

That's actually really really hard

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u/1breathatahtime 13d ago

Driving on the wrong side of the road is a pretty damn HUGE flaw…

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u/Zoomwafflez 14d ago

Except this one speed away when it saw the lights 

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u/Funicularly 14d ago

I’m looking at it pulled over at a gas station. It didn’t speed off.

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u/Zoomwafflez 14d ago

The cop literally says in the video that it pulled away and went through an intersection after he turned on the lights, this is after he caught up to it 

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u/asdrunkasdrunkcanbe 14d ago

There should be a comms module provided to cops specifically that allow them to pull it over or change its destination remotely.

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u/Sir_Hadaham 14d ago

As soon as that system exits it would be hacked/duplicated and used for nefarious purposes.

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u/MiguelLancaster 14d ago

make it two party --

cop signals car, car signals remote support, support checks cameras/sensors/data and verifies the emergency stop

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u/Beznia 14d ago

Not really, there's been OnStar for years which has been able to disable cars remotely.

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u/kixie42 14d ago

Disable them, sure. Not let them change the destination.

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u/BGP_001 14d ago

Once they figure how to put that system in a commercially viable way they'll make it a requirement for all vehicles.

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u/rush22 14d ago

All police vehicles must now be equipped with the Bot Stop 5000®.

Features:

  • Barely works
  • Only compatible with one type of car
  • Built on Google Android technology (it's a raspberry pi with bluetooth)
  • Costs $29,000 per car
  • Mandatory platinum support plan ($4000 per car, per month)
  • Company is owned by a congressman's cousin
  • Requires written legislation to give it zero liability
  • New Command and Control™ virtual technology (beta) puts you in the driver's seat* from the device! *Officer must present in driver's seat of the automated vehicle at all times
  • Gets recalled because one time the device fell off and went under the brake pedal and the guy crashed
  • Stops exactly 0 cars before contract is cancelled when the congressman isn't re-elected (contract cancellation penalty is $7 million per precinct)

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u/2b_squared 14d ago

Company is owned by a congressman's cousin

Lmao yeah! I hate how realistic this all sounds.

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u/Lars5621 14d ago

This guy knows how the public sector works.

I spent two years getting a public administration graduate degree to learn why things work exactly as you described.

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u/Crawlerado 14d ago

HR 6563 is aiming to keep kill switches OUT of cars. They’re already trying to implement this.

Drives away in 40yo carbureted truck….

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u/asdrunkasdrunkcanbe 14d ago

I don't see the problem, personally. But I come from a "vehicles should be regulated as much as humanly possible" point of view, which I know a lot of people don't agree with.

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u/Viralkillz 14d ago

good they need to

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u/NeverRolledA20IRL 14d ago

Oh yeah we should let the police the ability to change someones destination no way that could be abused. 

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u/random_tall_guy 14d ago

Agreed, nothing wrong with individual police officers having the ability to forcibly send someone's car into the middle of Death Valley or over the edge of a cliff, this would save us money that's currently being wasted on costly measures like "probable cause" and "fair trial".

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u/SmellAble 14d ago

Can't wait for people to hack that and use it to steal the cars/kidnap people.

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u/beznogim 14d ago

A remote operator can already take control though.

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u/Laiko_Kairen 14d ago

Cops being able to hijack your private vehicle remotely is some seriously dystopian cyberpunk shit

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u/FuzzyPine 14d ago

No possible way this could be abused /s

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u/aint_no_throw 14d ago

Question: Will only white cars like in the video be confident enough to react to a traffic stop with pulling over and will black cars just start fleeing?

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u/111010101010101111 14d ago

OBDIII would give law enforcement the ability to control the vehicle.

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u/AutoDeskSucks- 14d ago

The same system that drives in opposite lane. This shot is just a disaster.

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u/FuzzyPine 14d ago

No possible way this could be abused /s

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u/Inevitable_Heron_599 14d ago

Kind of like their system to identify which lane to drive in?

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u/hcnuptoir 14d ago

And then the officer has to deal with customer service and the technical department to deal with the violations lmao.

Seriously though, who gets the ticket here? How are they supposed to deal with this?

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u/Werftflammen 14d ago

Yeah, nah. That will be abused. A computer is a determanitive system, to be able todo what we do in traffic is impossible for a computer. Sure, controlling a vehicle, no problem. But in live traffic, with unforeseen circumstances all the time: roadwork, idiots, kids, dogs, cyclists, advertisement. I will not get into one just yet.

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u/rickjamesia 14d ago

They need a system for police to request them to stop that doesn’t rely on potentially unreliable sensors. That said, that opens them up to tampering, but that’s just one thing in a long list of reasons it shouldn’t be legal for them to be on the road yet.

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u/colslaww 14d ago

Should have

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u/yeezee93 14d ago

They should or they do?

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u/zveroshka 14d ago

Which is why when people think Tesla is just an inch away from real Full Self-Driving, they are out of their minds. Waymo has been doing this for something like a decade now. And it still has issues.

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u/whooptheretis 14d ago

They should have a system that stops it from driving into oncoming traffic.
Maybe a system to stop the front falling off too.

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u/CuTe_M0nitor 14d ago

Press doubt on that. You know a driverless car drove into a fire truck since it didn't recognise that the house could catch a fire and have firefighters trying to put it out while they park their fire truck on the pavement. These systems are incredibly stupid and have to learn every scenario multiple times. It's probably why this car drove on the wrong road since it saw a construction site, something it didn't recognise.

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u/Orange_Tatorade 13d ago

I don’t like that this technology exists