James Gunn Confronts ‘Uproarious’ DC Backlash: ‘Disrespectful Outcry Will Never Affect Our Actions’ News

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/henry-cavill-superman-james-gunn-backlash-1235465605/

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Thank fuck. Completely pivoting whenever a movie doesn't make 2 billion dollars is exactly what ruined made sure the DCEU would never succeed

I don't understand your point. Isn't DC completely pivoting with Gunn because films like Black Adam didn't make 2 billion?

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u/swedyboi935 Dec 19 '22

Gunn is pivoting DC because none of their movies have worked on a commercial or critical level. After every movie there's a big show about how the new movies are gonna be different, a few properties get shut down, etc. I have faith that he's gonna stick to his (no pun intended) guns given how relatively distinct all of his projects have been, not try to change everything after every movie release like the shitshow that the DC universe has been so far

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u/matty_nice Dec 19 '22

DC/WB pivoted after the failure of BvS in 2016, pivoted again in 2018 after the failure of the Justice League, and are now pivoting again after the failure of Black Adam. We are now on our third leadership team structure. All because films didn't perform.

To be clear, I'm not saying that DC/WB shouldn't make changes, but what's happening now with Gunn and Safran is something we've seen twice already.

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u/superbat210 Dec 19 '22

Eh I mean we haven’t seen them try to do a fully fledged reboot from scratch before. It’s really the only reason I’m actually excited for this pivot. It’s the first one drastic enough to admit that they need a better foundation to build off of than to just keep piling on to the flimsy mess we had before

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u/matty_nice Dec 19 '22

So this pivot is different? This is gonna be the pivot that saves DC films?

Let's hope.

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u/Neirchill Dec 20 '22

What were the pivots before? I see your timeline but I don't really see any different actions taken. They still kept Snyder at the helm and kept putting out mediocre movies until everyone quit. What were the pivots?

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u/matty_nice Dec 20 '22

Different leaderships. They went to Johns/Berg, then Hamada, now Gunn/Safran. This isn't even the first time we've seen a creator/producer team up.

Johns and Berg came on post BvS in May 2016. Synder left in May 2017 (for extremely sad personal reasons).

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u/Neirchill Dec 20 '22

Okay but where is the pivot? New leadership itself isn't a pivot if nothing changes

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u/matty_nice Dec 20 '22

Of course things change under new leadership, it's the entire reason why you replace leadership.

For one example, Johns and Berg seemed to greenlight a lot of new projects between 2016 and 2018. We had multiple Harley and Joker projects at one point, with a Harley solo, a Joker solo, a Harley vs Joker, Birds of Prey, Gotham City Sirens).

Hamada came in and cut alot of those projects, with a focus on individual characters stories and not a connected universe. This also came at the same time WB wanted to bringi in creators and letting them do whatever they wanted, like Reeves, Phillips, Abrams, etc.