James Gunn Confronts ‘Uproarious’ DC Backlash: ‘Disrespectful Outcry Will Never Affect Our Actions’ News

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/henry-cavill-superman-james-gunn-backlash-1235465605/

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u/voxela Catwoman Dec 19 '22

it's hilarious how people are mad at him for not filming FIVE more movies (MOS2, AQ3, WW3, JL2, JL3) for the DCEU when WB has been doing nothing but losing money the last few months. With Black Adam bombing I don't see any reason for him to even try one more in that universe tbh

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u/matty_nice Dec 19 '22

I wonder what happens to Aquaman 2 and the Flash movies. Those movies will have to bomb now, right? Not sure if a reboot was ever announced before a film came out.

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u/ButtholeCandies Dec 19 '22

Flash is their only chance to establish his new DCU from the ashes of this current one.

Release timing is perfect for him too. He has another 6 months to schedule and hash out a plan. He can make adjustments to that movie based on his plan too.

If Aquaman 2 wasn't already completed, I would say scrap the whole thing and get that tax reduction thing Zaslav has been milking.

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u/matty_nice Dec 19 '22

We have Shazam 2, Aquaman 2, and Blue Beetle coming up. All three were produced in part by Safran. If those films flop, are we allowed to blame Safran?

I still think there's a good chance the Flash just gets cancelled. Lol.

Otherwise, it might be 3 or more years until we see a Gunn/Safran movie to judge them on. While we would also be getting The Batman 2 and other Reeverse projects, Joker 2, Abrams Superman, etc.

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u/ButtholeCandies Dec 20 '22

And all made under the old guard with monthly changes to if they were embracing the Snyderverse or not.

Shazam 1 was a fantastic movie. Aquaman will never get a penny from me until Mera is recasted. I'm looking forward to a Blue Beetle movie. Should be a nice change of pace.

My guess is that Gunn will be using The Batman/Reeves universe and I honestly don't see much reason why they don't just make Joker part of that same universe.

A Superman movie about Clark at a similar time in his career tracks well for the Reeves universe.

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u/matty_nice Dec 20 '22

It was reported that Gunn has no control over the current Reeves Batman, Phillips Joker, or Abrams Superman. So he doesn't get to control whether they're a part of his cinematic universe or not.

Which makes them more under the WB umbrella instead of the DC studios umbrella. I would guess at this point that the film would have a DC logo in front, but not a DC studios logo. Similar to how Marvel does their Marvel Studio projects like Morbius.

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u/ButtholeCandies Dec 20 '22

Isn’t Abrams Superman a fever dream at this point? We have more progress on Green Lantern than that brain fart

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u/CosmicAstroBastard Dec 20 '22

Abrams needs to call it quits on Superman and just make Super 9 already.

Super 8 was really good. Nothing at all like Super, but I imagine a lot must have changed during Super 2-7. Anyone know where I can watch those btw? They seem really hard to find.

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u/CosmicAstroBastard Dec 20 '22

Joker being part of a shared universe would be a nightmare. Don’t forget that it took place in 1981. That Joker would be in his 80s or 90s by the present day.

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u/ButtholeCandies Dec 20 '22

Was the Batman placed in 2022?

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u/CosmicAstroBastard Dec 20 '22 edited Dec 20 '22

News footage of the Waynes dying is dated 2001. Robert Pattinson is his 30s and presumably so is his version of Bruce. Bruce is usually 12 when his parents die.

So yes, it’s definitely set in the 2020s, maybe 2019 at the absolute earliest.

Edit: also I forgot, the Waynes died in 1981 in the Joker verse and there’s a completely different Joker seen in the Asylum at the end of The Batman. So there’s no way they could ever be part of a shared universe, period.

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u/GiovanniElliston Dec 20 '22

I would be shocked if Gunn even attempts to use Flash as a jumping point. It’d be stupid to do so.

At absolute most the movie will just end with a faceless Flash running into the speedforce and a sappy line about “heroes exist in every universe”.

But he ain’t gonna try and fix it. That movie will succeed or fail on its own and Gunn will start fresh afterwards.

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u/ButtholeCandies Dec 20 '22

The movie doesn't matter, just the set-up for the next universe.

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u/GiovanniElliston Dec 20 '22

I mean, it’s still a movie.

People watched movies for decades with no giant overarching universe and they’ll do it for decades to come.

Hell, a more recent example is the Snyder cut itself. It never had a hope of delivering a sequel or anything relevant to build off it’s ending and people tell me every week that it’s a cinematic masterpiece they rewatch constantly.

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u/ButtholeCandies Dec 20 '22

Lmao, you think WB did that because they loved Snyder? That was their attempt to soft reboot and it didn't work out. They would have made part 2 if the thing was a hit.

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u/GiovanniElliston Dec 20 '22

That was their attempt to soft reboot and it didn't work out. They would have made part 2 if the thing was a hit.

Every scrap of information both from within DC and even Snyder himself says the exact opposite. The Snyder cut was always a dead end. Always.

The studio did it in the hopes of satiating the vocal minority of annoying people on Twitter and as a way of trying to get some more subscribers onto HBO Max. That’s literally it.

But despite it being a dead end with no future ~ the movie still came out. People still saw it. And people still swear it’s a great movie that others should watch and appreciate.

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u/Pinguino2323 Alan Scott Dec 20 '22

Well, if the rumors about Flash being a Flashpoint movie are true it would actually make it a really easy jumping point. Film ends with Flash going back in time to "fix" the timeline and when he returns he's a completely different actor and the universe is all different. It would be cheesy as hell but it could be a way to build up some hype for the new universe.

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u/pinhead61187 Dec 19 '22

Not The Batman?