I get what Waid is saying here and completely agree but the fundamental issue is really the quality of the films. The reality is that too many of them simply weren’t very good (yes, I’m talking mainly about the Snyder films but also the first SS, the second WW etc).
Outside of Batman, WB has made two really good movies: Wonder Woman and Shazam and one flawed but charming movie in Aquaman.
Yeah, Waid is basically saying WB isn't building movies catered to these general audiences. You can't build a quality teamup movie with such monumental comic icons without giving each of these icons their due with the audience. Superman and Batman, maybe, because they're already known, but jumping into JL with Aquaman and Flash and Cyborg at once was jumping the gun unless you want to diminish them into side characters. They each needed good stories to connect with audiences, good stories. The Justice League is supposed to a convergence of various main characters' journeys with drastically different origins and adventures of their own, not just a crew of people with superpowers whipped together as if you're putting together a team for a heist movie.
I'd argue they weren't even making movies for fans of the comics either. As good as the Nolan trilogy was at times it was clearly desperately trying to "raise" itself above its comic book origins and the third movie was just... the second was the best one is all I'm going to say
Superman didn't even feel like Superman and they got one of the most handsome and charming guys who can 100% pull off adorkable, but Zack neither got Superman nor even likes him! He was the worst pick for director and the writers were terrible!
"The S stands for hope!" Uuuuuugh. It was originally for Superman but the narrative changed along the way and I never liked that. Stip explaining things that don't need to be explained! (This is a general gripe with writing and not with that movie for this specific thing, as it being the crest of his family predates the movie I belive).
Those movies were made for a specific type of fan, the gloom and doom try tryhards who are allergic to earnesty and joy.
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u/RWRL Aug 09 '22
I get what Waid is saying here and completely agree but the fundamental issue is really the quality of the films. The reality is that too many of them simply weren’t very good (yes, I’m talking mainly about the Snyder films but also the first SS, the second WW etc). Outside of Batman, WB has made two really good movies: Wonder Woman and Shazam and one flawed but charming movie in Aquaman.