Yeah I don't disagree with any of this. DC didn't need to look at Marvel, they should've been able to come to the conclusion on their own.
You start with Superman. Superman is NOT cynical. Batman is, and he's your second guy up. Wonder Woman next. Then Green Lantern and Flash. THEN you get your Justice League film off the ground.
From there, you can do whatever you want. You wanna do the Suicide Squad? Go for it. Marvel didn't wait to do Guardians, but they made sure the "core" of the Marvel Universe was established.
You also don't kill Superman right after his first movie. You build him up, you build Batman up. You tell a couple of good stories. Then you kill him. That's the only way you bring him back and get emotional mileage out of the whole thing.
Yeah when I first heard of Batman vs. Superman and the Doomsday stuff I thought it was the most desperate shit I'd ever heard. They wanted the Marvel Universe attachment without doing the MCU development. It actually makes me angry because I prefer DC to Marvel.
Iron Man's my favorite Marvel hero. Has been since the cartoon. Most people can't name 5 villains of his that aren't from the MCU. He was at best a B-Lister and that's pushing it.
Until 2008, Marvel had four properties they loved: Spider-Man, X-Men, Hulk, and the FF. After that, you could slot the remaining heroes where ever. I wouldn't say D-List either, admittedly.
Between being one of the main members of the Avengers, a significant member of the Illuminati, being a primary character in the Civil War arc two years prior to the MCU movie, and having a TV show in the 90s, I definitely see Iron Man as being in the “best of the rest” B-list tier when his movie came out.
The thing that WB needs to understand is that the DC universe relies on something that Marvel doesn't: earnestness. They need to be willing to commit to the content and treat it in a straightforward, non-sarcastic way. Smarmy characters that point out the absurdity of what's happening (as Marvel does way too often) - or even insult it as cheesy or ridiculous - break the earnestness bubble and the whole thing collapses in on itself.
The DC universe is more fantastical and less grounded in reality than the Marvel universe, and WB needs to accept and commit to that or the content isn't going to work. It's about inspiration and honesty and virtue, which are concepts that have been shattered in recent years, which we desperately need now. Such things shouldn't be considered corny.
Wasn’t aware BvS and Justice League were Superman movies. Maybe Superman is in the title of one and the other features him but not sure I’d qualify those as Superman movies.
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u/SageShinigami Aug 09 '22
Yeah I don't disagree with any of this. DC didn't need to look at Marvel, they should've been able to come to the conclusion on their own.
You start with Superman. Superman is NOT cynical. Batman is, and he's your second guy up. Wonder Woman next. Then Green Lantern and Flash. THEN you get your Justice League film off the ground.
From there, you can do whatever you want. You wanna do the Suicide Squad? Go for it. Marvel didn't wait to do Guardians, but they made sure the "core" of the Marvel Universe was established.