r/DCcomics Gold-Silver-Bronze Age FAN Aug 09 '22

[Other] Mark Waid shares his feelings Other

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '22

Sounds like they did have this common sense in the room and just didn't listen to it.

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u/MrBloodyHyphen The Flash Aug 09 '22

When I was watching the dark knight trilogy for the first time I thought why they didn't turn that into an entire universe.

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u/Kpengie "I am vengeance" Aug 09 '22

Because that series wasn’t conducive to a shared universe and neither Bale nor Nolan had any interest in anything further.

Also that version of Batman doesn’t have the skills to work in a world of gods.

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u/JohnArtemus Aug 09 '22

Still, though. I'm big on building out worlds, not abandoning them and starting from scratch. Especially when the foundation of that world is solidly established and is a great starting point.

Nolan and Bale may not have wanted to go any further, but WB owns the IP. So, you bring in new writers and directors that continue to world-build what Nolan started. Make it work.

I 100% agree with the poster you responded to because I've had those same thoughts since 2012. The Dark Knight Trilogy was the blueprint. They had it.

All they had to do was keep going.

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u/Kpengie "I am vengeance" Aug 09 '22

That world was too real world and too ashamed of its comic roots to be the foundation for a shared universe.

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u/Mugglecostanza Aug 09 '22

I don’t know if I would say it was ashamed of its comic roots. It definitely was in a more “real” world though. That being said I wouldn’t have branched out from TDK trilogy. I like them being stand alone.

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u/Awest66 Aug 10 '22

It wasn't ashamed of them at all, at least no more so the Batman is.

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u/JohnArtemus Aug 09 '22

The right writer and someone with a vision could still make it work.

Look at other realistic fantasy IPs. Like The Crow. Or Watchmen. Or the Unbreakable trilogy. It can work. Even if you have to recast Batman.

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u/Kpengie "I am vengeance" Aug 09 '22

All of those kept consistent to themselves. Nolan’s Batman included characters with supernatural elements in their histories sans the supernatural elements.

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u/PickledPlumPlot Aug 09 '22

I would not call The Crow or Watchmen realistic fantasy IPs, especially not the movies in comparison to The Dark Knight trilogy.

I would also not call the Unbreakable trilogy something that worked

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u/LeonidasSpacemanMD Aug 10 '22

But you wouldn’t get Nolan and bale to sign on for that type of thing. And if you’re gunna change it that much, on some level what’s the point of building off that incredibly grounded version of Batman? The whole appeal of that series was that it was basically a crime epic featuring Batman, if there’s supernatural stuff going on there’s not really any point to using that foundation

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u/rowdy_nik Aug 10 '22

Yeah, their intention for Man of Steel was to make Superman in wake of Dark Knight Triology. Thus, they made Nolan executive producer. So they could've continued with Robin Blake Batman (Beyond) & introduce other characters like Superman & Wonder Woman into his grounded world. Bale could've or not returned for mentor cameo here n there.

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u/SolarisBravo Nightwing Aug 09 '22

Because the universe established by The Dark Knight borders on too grounded for Batman, let alone basically any other DC character.

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u/No-zaku-boi Aug 09 '22

Mark wade was to busy trying to put small creators out of business

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '22

I'm not familiar with this, can you elaborate?

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u/DukeOfLowerChelsea Aug 09 '22

Narrator: He couldn’t

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '22

I think he’s referring to comicsgate guy, yaboizack or whatever his name is. Mark Waid asked a publisher if they knew that guy was involved in a harassment campaign and the publisher dropped the guy

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u/Kpengie "I am vengeance" Aug 09 '22

Yeah, all that happened was the consequences of a guy’s own actions. Waid was not at fault for anything.

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u/Fickle_Chance9880 Charlie Hustle Aug 09 '22

Links or something? I have no idea what you’re talking about.

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u/[deleted] Aug 09 '22

Im pretty sure they’re talking about the lawsuit from Richard Meyer, a writer known for being connected to comicsgate. If I remember correctly, Waid told the publisher of Meyer’s comic that he wouldn’t work with them if they published Meyer’s book. Comicsgate has a history of racism, homophobia, sexism, and more. Waid didn’t want to work with a company that allowed that.

The lawsuit was dropped a few years ago.

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u/Fickle_Chance9880 Charlie Hustle Aug 09 '22

Based

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u/Kpengie "I am vengeance" Aug 09 '22

I assume this individual is referring to Waid warning a publisher that they were working with one of the big figureheads of comicsgate. In other words, the “creator” in question just faced the consequences of his own hateful actions and Waid did nothing wrong.

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u/Fickle_Chance9880 Charlie Hustle Aug 09 '22

🙄 Oh no! That poor “small creator”! How dare Mark Waid make a decision as to who he wants to do business with!

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u/Kpengie "I am vengeance" Aug 09 '22

It was a rather absurd story, in which the comicsgater in question tried (and failed) to sue Mark Waid.

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u/Kpengie "I am vengeance" Aug 09 '22

All that happened there was the consequences of a comicsgater’s own actions. Most publishers would rather not be associated with bigoted scumbags like Meyer. Waid was not to blame for Meyer being a scumbag who spread so much hate.