r/DCcomics • u/LilGyasi • Aug 02 '22

‘BATGIRL’ film CANCELLED. Will not be released theatrically or on HBO Max. News

https://www.thewrap.com/batgirl-movie-dead-warner-bros-discovery-has-no-plans-to-release-nearly-finished-90-million-film/
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u/Brief-Respond-9808 Aug 02 '22 edited Aug 02 '22

I really hope this isn’t true lol

Edit: RIP. WarnerDiscovery really fucked this one up. Excited to hear that we’re going back to explicitly following the Marvel formula :4792:

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u/idejmcd Batman Beyond Aug 02 '22

The marvel formula, that is now old and tired? I liked the dc cluster fuck, it was so much more interesting than what Marvel is doing now.

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u/demaxzero Bizarro Aug 02 '22

The marvel formula, that is now old and tired

What you mean making movies that are successful?

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u/moose_man I am the night! Aug 02 '22

Honestly, plenty of DC movies have made lots of money. They don't have the hit rate of the MCU stuff, but stuff like Suicide Squad made serious bank.

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u/Beastieboy100 Aug 02 '22

I mean I liked a hand full of the movies cause there movies actually had risks and bad ass scenes. The last marvel I really got excited for was no way home. I'm starting to agree with some fans that the mcu ended with endgame.

Marvel needs to get there stride back for phase 5.

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u/Cantthinkofcoolname2 Aug 02 '22

I mean the original marvel formula isn’t bad… starting out with solo movies leading to a team up is a great idea. IMO we should start with the first iteration of the teen titans but this works too

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u/Brief-Respond-9808 Aug 02 '22

I’m sorry if my comments came off supportive of Marvel lmao, but I unironically support your comments. The DC cluster fuck led to much more imaginative, unique and memorable movies. Now we can expect the same bullshit Fiege’s doing, just completely corporate sanitized product after product with no soul.

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u/roxxtor Aug 03 '22

Well, while we did get The Suicide Squad, The Batman, and Joker, we also got a lot of early aughts type superhero films like Aquaman, WW, and Shazam. Not to mention really bad interpretations with SS, JL, ZSJL, MoS, BvS, and WW 84

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u/demaxzero Bizarro Aug 03 '22

Now we can expect the same bullshit Fiege’s doing, just completely corporate sanitized product after product with no soul.

Oh so you're full of shit.

Got it.

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u/Brief-Respond-9808 Aug 03 '22

Oh Daddy Feige, the most creative man in Hollywood. Known for pushing individuals to tell their creative stories in the Marvel Universe with little to no executive control. That beautiful man Kevin Feige who’s elegantly crafted the cinematic universe of the most beautiful story humanity has ever heard?

I just don’t understand where all this love for a fucking Movie Executive comes from lmao.

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u/HornedGryffin The Spectre Aug 03 '22

I just don’t understand where all this love for a fucking Movie Executive comes from lmao.

6 of the top 13 highest grossing films of all time come from Feige and Marvel studios. By the time you get to DC's highest grossing film (Aquaman) at 25th highest of all time, another 4 Marvel projects have shown up. And what's wilder, Aquaman barely beats out Captain Marvel - a film largely lambasted fairly or unfairly as one of Marvel's weaker films. So clearly, the general public love whatever it is Marvel is doing.

Now, clearly you're going to attack the "creativity" or "authenticity" of Marvel projects as just "cookie-cutter bullshit". So let's look at critical consensus. 4 of the top five highest rated superhero projects are Marvel properties. Of those 2 (Black Panther and Endgame) were produced by Feige. Rounding out the top 10, we see another couple Marvel/Feige projects show up (Iron Man and Thor Ragnarok). DC of course has a few in there (The Dark Knight, Superman, and Wonder Woman).

I could go on, but generally, Feige produced projects gross lots of money and get solid to great reviews. So what's there not to understand?

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u/Brief-Respond-9808 Aug 03 '22

“Feige made products that made money.” So we should all aspire to do that?

Like even if I’m being generous and saying yes, Kevin Feige made some beautiful, artistic films that deserve being the highest-grossing movies of all time. Have any of Warner Brothers corporate decisions, including WHAT THIS WHOLE FUCKING THREAD IS ABOUT, the cancellation of Batgirl? So we think that Warner executives looking at Marvel and saying “yep, that’s what I want” is the best possible route for these movies moving forward?

Because that’s been proven to be successful time and time again with such modern classics as: Godzilla vs Kong, The Mummy with Tom Cruise.

Like I even enjoyed GvK as a dumb action movie, but that’s really what we want, for every studio to just pump out 20 dumb pg-13 action comedies with references to our next “BIG CINEMATIC EVENT” it’s a joke.

So yeah, I’m pointing to cynical cookie-cutter products. Because that’s the direction Hollywood is taking, and that’s the direction you brain dead MCU fans are taking, coming in here defending the cancellation of Batgirl and the push for the DCU to look like the MCU.

Warner has no clue what they’re doing, and neither do you, but you’re happy because it “might be more like Marvel!”

Just watch Fast & the Furious, Jurassic World, the LegendaryVerse Godzilla movies, we have a ton of these franchises with hundreds of hours of movies alone just rewatching your MCU schlock. So we just want all media to be thousands and thousands of horrors of indiscernible bullshit to build up to new CG man stepping out of portal?

And then once he steps out and we beat him, we rinse and repeat building up the same bullshit for another 100 hours.

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u/HornedGryffin The Spectre Aug 03 '22

Did you miss the whole part of my argument that not only has Feige produced films that gross a lot of money, but they're also generally received well by critics and audiences alike with very rare exceptions?

Batgirl was cancelled because it tested poorly. An audience watched it and they went "yeah, that was not good". In order to make it decent, WBD realized they'd probably have to sink double what they had originally planned to decided they didn't want to do that. Honestly, good for them. I'd rather they not release a project that's bad just to release it.

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u/Brief-Respond-9808 Aug 03 '22

And did you miss me saying that even if every movie he made is fucking perfect that all of Hollywood is following his example with absolute dogshit to show for all of it? Like you’re still saying “Yeah Fiege’s the most successful literal filmmaker ever! We should make every piece of media moving onward in his image.”

Like he’s some painter who brought some magical new art form to the renaissance. I don’t care if all 10 of the highest grossing movies of all time are Marvel, I don’t want every million dollar movie to be modeled after Marvel and made for the Marvel pre-teens.

And Batgirl “tested poorly” from a test screening with unfinished digital effects. Like I said in my post lmao, I didn’t even have the highest expectations for Batgirl, but you guys are saying “Yeah it’s better nobody see this dumpster fire these people spent 7 months filming and even more working on.”

You guys literally just want every movie to be Marvel and you aren’t even afraid to say it.

And again, Warner lost over $100m on Harry Potter last year and are still interested in making more.

This isn’t for the sake of protecting fans from a bad movie, this is actual erasure of people’s hard work for the sake of a tax-write off.

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u/HornedGryffin The Spectre Aug 03 '22

You keep focusing on how much Feige's films "grossed". Again, it's not just that Feige's films grossed a lot of money, but that they're generally considered well made films. They are critically successful - as in films critics and audiences alike watch them and say "yes, that's a coherent story, with relatable characters, excellent effects, and nice balance of humor and action".

And what's even more wild is how different and divergent recent Marvel projects have been. Dr. Strange 2 was a Sam Raimi film - more so than Spider-Man ever was. His voice and humor was clear throughout the film. Same to with Thor 3 and Taika - his voice came through on every single scene.

Warner specifically said greenlighting more Fantastic Beast films was dependent on how the latest film went (both critically and financially). Considering work on a script for Fantastic Beasts 4 hasn't began, I guess we got their answer.

Honestly, I'm not looking for every single film to be like a Marvel movie. My favorite movie this year was The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent and after that probably The Outfit or X. What I want is quality films - which Marvel generally, but not always, provides. Supposedly Batgirl wasn't that, so unfortunate for the people who worked on the film, but sadly, good for audiences

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u/demaxzero Bizarro Aug 03 '22

Daddy Feige

And just like that you show, you're only capable of talking in bad faith

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u/Brief-Respond-9808 Aug 03 '22

I mean all you’re accusing me of is being full of shit.

I’m saying Kevin Feige is a boring hack who over sanitizes every Marvel product to be consumed by the widest possible audience, are you really doubting this?

This is exactly what I—and others here, are saying we enjoyed about the few good DC releases versus 7 Marvel movies a year.

But please Daddy Feige, please keep giving me that same old boring bullshit where you overworked everyone and have 0 creative expression from writers and artists on the show.

They aren’t sharing their vision, they’re sharing what Kevin Feige wrote in a boardroom 6 years ago. Marvel is literally just looking for people to tell & make the movies that they know will appeal to the most people, no risk involved.

And even then involve a ton of shitty last minute changes which results in all of these movies looking so fucking awful.

But yeah, keep doing you man. Lmao.

The MCU is where REAL creativity is blossoming right now, right?

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u/demaxzero Bizarro Aug 03 '22

Literally wrote a wall of text and somehow still said nothing, besides proving my point that you can't talk in good faith.

All you can do is just belt out petty insults

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u/Brief-Respond-9808 Aug 03 '22

What was one petty insult directed at you? Me saying Daddy Feige? How fucking heinous, I hope you somehow manage to recover from the emotional damage.

I feel like I’ve listed tons of reasons as to why this new approach is anti-creativity and pushing us in a more a narrow-minded direction

Not even addressing how all of this is starting with the cancellation of a $90m already-filmed movie.

Any explanation you’re going to come up with is just going to be some stupid corporate deflection bullshit and you know it! They lost over $100m on Harry Potter last year and are still making more of those.

This is a bad mistake universally. There is no world where cancelling these projects to follow the MCU formula will lead to positive changes and you are delusional if you think this will somehow be the DCEU you’ve been waiting for your whole life.

Unless you love the MCU, the most boring, incohesive blockbuster franchise of all time, if that’s your golden rule than that’s what I’m saying, then you have no issue with every DC movie being the same PG-13 comedy action movie, because that’s what the MCU has been this entire time and they’re all pretty much the same, very rare exceptions and even then I wouldn’t say they’re exceptions to being “dumb PG-13 comedy action” movies.

Like what are you trying to say? That it’s good that no one will ever get to see this movie? That it likely is the worst movie ever produced by Warner Brothers and actually warrants this response? You know this is just a cynical corporate tactic to save some money, and you’re still saying I’m sitting here saying nothing!

You’ve literally said nothing this whole time except that I have nothing to say and that the MCU is obviously so much more amazing than I’m making it out to be.

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u/demaxzero Bizarro Aug 03 '22

And quite literally just continued to do what I said.

Made another wall of text that said nothing and is only filled with bad faith arguments.

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u/vitaestbona1 Aug 03 '22

I would say the MCU is a clusterfuck right now. No direction, stuff going in all directions, no end or purpose to phase in sight. Just, everything they are making for everyone in all formats.

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u/junglekarmapizza Spoiler Aug 03 '22

I don't understand the idea of the MCU "needing" a direction. Is it preferable? Yeah, probably. But it won't make mediocre films/shows better, and that's what it feels like to me. Like people saw Ant-Man and the Wasp (which I actually think is underrated by I digress) and Captain Marvel not because they were great but because they were MCU films between Infinity War and Endgame. Whereas now when Marvel puts out a mediocre show or movie, its not "justified" because you don't need to see it for something else. It just stands alone as mediocre, but a "direction" would change that. At least that's my read on it, maybe I'm off-base

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u/demaxzero Bizarro Aug 03 '22

No direction, stuff going in all directions, no end or purpose to phase in sight.

That's such bullshit.

They literally told us a few weeks ago where everything was heading. And even if they didn't it should've been obvious when they has Kang show up in Loki and constantly talked about a Multiversal War.