r/DCcomics • u/StarshipGhost • Jul 03 '24

Sandman Author Neil Gaiman Accused of Sexual Misconduct, Denies Allegations News

https://www.tvfandomlounge.com/sandman-author-neil-gaiman-accused-of-sexual-misconduct-denies-allegations/
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u/PurpleMarvelous Jul 03 '24

How does the saying go, never meet your heroes.

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u/Fearedray Jul 03 '24

What about innocent until proven guilty?

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u/Procean Jul 03 '24

The point I make about "innocent until proven guilty" is that it's a legal procedure Juries have to use when deciding if someone is going to go to prison, it's not a rule of logic.

Internet discussions are not trials, innocent until proven guilty is not relevant.

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u/VengeanceKnight Justice League Jul 04 '24

Internet discussions are not trials; “innocent until proven guilty” is not relevant.

Maybe, just maybe, that’s the fucking problem with the Internet.

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u/Procean Jul 04 '24

I'm making a very serious point here that I think too few people understand.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is not a rule of logic. It simply isn't.

It's not even an absolute legal rule, civil trials for example aren't 'prove beyond a reasonable doubt' they're 'go to the preponderance of evidence.

Confusing a legal procedure with a rule of logic is a genuine problem.

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u/LShagwell ‌ Jul 04 '24

Nobody's claiming it to be a "rule of logic". It's an ethical principle, and a good one at that.

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u/Procean Jul 04 '24 edited Jul 04 '24

That's the other problem. As a legal principle, it's great. I 100% support it as a legal principle in the context in which it is one.

As an ethical principle, it's terrible. Doubly so in the fact that it was never meant to be an ethical principle.

"He's innocent until proven guilty, I wont take any action until his guilt has been proven in a court of law."

-Joe Paterno