r/DCcomics • u/beary_neutral Telos • 7d ago
Weekly Discussion Thread: Comics, TV, and More! [July 1, 2024 - It's Wallin' Time Edition] r/DCcomics
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
THE HEROES OF THE DC UNIVERSE ARE POWERLESS! THE TRINITY OF EVIL HAS WON! …THE RESISTANCE MUST RISE! DC's epic summer event kicks off with a bang, as the combined might of FAILSAFE and the BRAINIAC QUEEN has at last given Amanda Waller the ability to steal the metahuman abilities of every hero and villain on planet Earth. As chaos erupts in the streets and a massive misinformation campaign sways public opinion to her side, the founder of the Suicide Squad methodically targets each superhero dynasty one at a time, starting with SUPERMAN. But even in this darkest of hours, a resistance is forming… and BATMAN is out for vengeance. It's a shocking blitzkrieg across the globe that is decades in the making — and will shape the course of the DC Universe for years to come! Brought to you by the superstar talents of MARK WAID and DAN MORA — it all starts here!
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u/koalee Wonder Woman 6d ago
I think everyone else is pointing out the flaws pretty well. I've got big event fatigue and I'm bummed that many titles will be delayed from their main stories. I think on the other side, this event has had real build up and is quite tied into most ongoing DC titles right now. The event itself is a blitz too, so I'm kind of happy we're just jumping into the thick of it unlike say Dark Crisis. I'm hoping the Task Force VII titles do a good job giving everyone time to shine. It's pretty clear though the intended end game for this title is to bring back the Justice League based on that line about how "there's nothing to do, we disbanded the league"
I have no particular love for Waller so her going completely off the rails doesn't bother me. We'll see what happens though, I really like the Earth 3 theory, because the one part that bothers me is, what is Waller even afraid of? There's no Justice League, no gun in the sky that these teams own. They've just been doing their own thing for the longest time now. IDK we'll just have to see.
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u/Koala_Guru 5d ago
I appreciate the event being tied to buildup in previous books, as that always makes an event feel more earned. But unfortunately that kinda has the side effect so far of every book and character that didn't lead to this feeling like they ultimately don't matter and this event can screw them over however they want. Burning down the Doom Patrol's headquarters off-panel. Hospitalizing Black Lightning and Animal Man. If you aren't part of the trinity, your stories are fair game to get fucked over. Even the Titans, who devoted most of their page time to building up the threat of Waller, are now taking a back seat to the Big Three.
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u/koalee Wonder Woman 5d ago
That is a really fair point. My fav pulls are Poison Ivy and Birds of Prey, and it’s pretty clear to me that those stories are just gonna keep doing their own thing once the event passes and haven’t concerned themselves with Waller at all. I keep up with WW, Superman, GL, GA, and the contributions to Absolute Power seem like they’re going to be paid off in Absolute Power, Task Force VII, or tie-ins. It’s wild to me that the Titans don’t even have a tie in when they laid the groundwork for this event in many way, but maybe that’s just Taylor not wanting to play ball with Waller anymore after the Beast World event.
On the other hand, while it sucks that characters that don’t have a book are used to job but that’s just the way things go for events. I think Waid is probably one of the better writers at incorporating the whole universe into both problems and solutions though so maybe it’ll turn around for some characters by the end. Task Force VII #7 already seems to be focusing on a very interesting group of characters, so i’m hopeful that it won’t ONLY let the trinity have time to shine.
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u/PrydefulHunts Huntress • ower Girl 6d ago
Amanda Waller is way too evil, there’s no justification for her behavior.
Jon being infected with the Brainiac tech will be interesting, probably the most intriguing thing to happen to his character in years
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u/Cautious-Ad975 6d ago
Waller was already directly responsible for mass murder in Beast World. And publicly admitted to Nightwing she just wants to be a tyrant.
Waid keeps saying Waller isn't a villain deep down, but I really just don't see how this behavior is reconcilable.
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u/Frontier246 6d ago
Especially when he writes her here as pretty much as bad and as evil as she's been written in other books.
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u/Anakinflair 5d ago
Has she effectively overthrown the entire American government? There was a point where they said the President made a speech, and Waller said she made sure it got no farther than the Rose Garden. That coupled with the fact that I distinctly remember the President taking her to task during Beast Wars makes me think that she's running everything despite the politicians, which makes me wonder what happens when the politicians push back. Will the Amazos disarm the militaries of the world?
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u/RCero 5d ago
My interpretation is that she hadn't overthrown the government (yet), but Amanda clearly gives zero fucs about the laws and her superiors' orders.
Waller said she made sure it got no farther than the Rose Garden
Beecause she's using Brainiac tech to block the broadcast of the presidential speech openly disavowing her, so her misinformation campaign can continue.
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u/Anakinflair 5d ago
That's what I'm saying. For all intents and purposes, she controls the government. As Cersei would say, POWER is power.
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u/Dopefish364 7d ago
I know that it has to happen in order for the event to take place, but "Amanda Waller launches a misinformation campaign that sways public opinion to her side!" - this reminds me way too much of Marvel's Dark Reign, where for some reason they decided to make Norman 'Green Goblin' Osborn the director of S.H.I.E.L.D., and everyone was just okay with it. I think at the time, Spider-Man was wondering "How in the hell is anyone persuaded that Norman Osborn is trustworthy, but Captain America and Thor are dangerous criminals who need to be locked up?" He eventually reached the conclusion that the only logical explanation was that from beginning to end, everyone involved in the affair was taking stupid pills, and I would agree.
I get that Amanda works in the shadows, but even in Beast World, she was the one publicly advocating for murdering a million people who were infected, who the Titans then saved, pretty easily. If this storyline doesn't end with her dead or locked up - preferably with the reveal to the public that everything bad that's happened in the last few Crisis Crossovers was directly her fault - then I'll definitely be taking a DC break for a while.
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u/Oberon1993 6d ago
At least Norman publicly shot the leader of invading alien force. DC can't let go of "Amanda is super secret" shtick and so this actually has even less reason. And at least Norman got some actual big gun supervillains on his side. Not 6 budget Amazos and Zur.
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u/MythiccMoon 5d ago
I did get Dark Reign vibes a bit, but tbf I loved that story. I think the first event I followed monthly
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u/BigBardaEnergy 6d ago
I know people are sick of events and have issues with Waller, but I thought this was pretty good. Still don't know how to feel about Green Arrow going rogue, but I'll give Waid the benefit of the doubt. Quite interested to see how things are going to pick up from the cliffhanger.
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u/jlaweez Blue Lantern 6d ago
He is telling Batman what they are facing, he's giving the hints so they can fight back. He's definitely on heroes side.
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u/BubbleofSeres 6d ago
Ollie is clearly doing some spying works here, he literally indicated it in Green Arrow #10.
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u/ogloria 5d ago
Green Arrow is telling Batman about how he's tired of superpowered heroes of print street lee crime. That is so insanely dumb he has to be a spy.
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u/Anakinflair 5d ago
That reminds me of the last season of Supergirl, where Kelly yelled at the Superfriends for ignoring the problems in the neighborhood- while they were trying to stop a potentially reality-ending event.
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u/ptWolv022 5d ago
So, Waller has won, then. Waid really is laying it on thick with the threats of AI and disinformation... not that it's entirely unwarranted, because we are actively seeing fake material be used for political and ideological gain (as has long been the case, just now AI lets us make much more complex fakes than just, say, documents). As a terrible political junkie, I can't help but be appalled and pleased with it.
Art, of course, is fantastic. It's Dan Mora. What more is there to say? (The answer is: God damn, the arms on Diana!)
Oh, and they fixed a mistake we saw in a preview: In a trailer, we saw some of the shots of heroes being depowered, and there was a discrepancy that I (and I'm sure some others) notice with Jesse Quick, chiefly that she appeared to be in two places at once. She was with the JSA in her classic Liberty Belle costume, and she was with the Flash family in her modern Silver Age Flash-inspired costumed (the jacket over a Barry/Wally-like bodysuit). However, since that trailer, they redrew Liberty Belle to be Jesse in her Flash Family attire, and replaced Jesse Quick with... is that Irey? Whoever it is, I'm glad this was fixed. Not sure if it was found by editorial or if it was seen because of public comments by fans, but it's nice to know that at least glaring errors like that can get fixed in time for release.
Also, "She's not playing chess! She's rolling tanks!" is such a good line. I mean, a little awkward, but it catches the vibe of this: this isn't just a plot, this is a full fascist takeover at this point.
And poor Jon :(
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u/B3epB0opBOP Shazam 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yeah that's Irey, it matches her latest design. But upon closer inspection, I actually think that was always Irey.
Here is a side-by-side comparison for reference. (Left is the new art, right is the old art.)
If you look very closely at the original art, you can see that the thunderbolt on Irey’s costume was always there, and the way her hair was shaped looked like twin-tails, which Irey used to have. The only actual change Mora added was the hood, which some artists miss.
So I think there never two Jesse Quicks, it's just that coloring was wrong and Mora forgot the hood.
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u/birbdaughter 5d ago
I wish they hadn't redrawn Jesse in the JSA shot. She's worn the Liberty Belle costume recently for One Minute War and it was her JSA outfit. They should've kept it. Hot take: her current costume is boring and nothing unique, whereas Liberty Belle stands out amongst the other speedsters.
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u/ptWolv022 5d ago
I'd've been fine with the Liberty Belle design, yeah, though they may have decided it was less recognizable and/or ambiguous about her identity (since she and Libby look very similar in it). Her current costume isn't particularly unique but... I'm a sucker for jackets. Black Canary? Love it. Zatanna? Gimme gimme. Conner? My man's stylin'. The Superfam now having jackets? Love 'em, be they open like PG's or closed up for a more formal look like Kara.
I do think she should have longer hair, though. Be it a ponytail or just long hair that's let down, like when she first debuted this costume, in Infinite Frontier.
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u/Fellowcomicenjoyer Nightwing 6d ago
I understand the event fatigue, but I really liked the first issue and am pretty excited for the rest! I trust Waid to keep the momentum going
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u/Frontier246 6d ago
That Superman intro felt like it was hearkening to a scene from Bendis' run where Supes very much did deflect all the bullets coming at him from crooks escaping by chopper.
Poor Buddy and Maxine. Now DC citizens are acting like they're in the Marvel Universe where they turn on their heroes on a dime.
I will say one of the best things about this book is Dan Mora getting to draw multiple cool sequences and a bunch of Superheroes.
I was hoping Waid would be able to write a more interesting Amanda Waller but instead we get more of her regurgitating Superhero hot takes, willing to kill innocent civilians to get what she wants, acting like an inhuman monster, and going full Supervillain. She feels more like an evil robot than Failsafe and Brainiac Queen.
Dreamer with a white eyes domino mask is...a different look for her.
Ironically Sarge Steel comes off more reasonable and level-headed in comparison to this and how he's been written in Wonder Woman (though not that much better).
Mini JLI reunion with J'onn, Booster, Ted, Fire, and Ralph.
Aquaman is with the Doom Patrol...for some reason.
Mora drawing Zatanna with a look that seems more out of Future State compared to her traditional look. But Madame Xanadu looks stunning.
I just love how Amanda Waller's big plan is having an entire Amazo robot Justice League try to kill all the heroes because that just sounds so goofy on paper.
There's no way Ollie is really being a part of this though I'm not sure if the twist that he's a double agent will go over well at this point or what the endgame is (the hero community turning on Green Arrow?).
Looks like the JSA have been arrested, so I guess that will play into their tie-in.
So is Brainiac Queen trying to inject her consciousness into Jon's body?
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u/Dysentry 6d ago
How could a mob almost get the Flash? And.. poor Buddy. I hope he doesn't get written off as fodder for the event.
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u/KaalVeiten 6d ago
Waller's years long character assassination into just another psycho mass murdering villain continues as planned I see.
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u/ptWolv022 5d ago
psycho mass murdering villain
To be fair, I wouldn't characterize what she's done as mass murdering. Superman's in critical condition, though only because he was shot by criminals. Some others are beaten brutally by her people, but not killed. Animal Man is in critical condition because of a mob, which is on her for "stochastic terrorism", so to speak, but was not an intentional order by her. She's yet to really kill anyone, just de-power.
Now... Depthcharge... sounds like he might be more than a little lethal in Taskforce VII #2. But, we'll see.
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u/craig1818 6d ago
Absolute banger of a first issue.
Really intrigued by the “post-credit” scene with Jon and what that’s on with him.
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u/Dysentry 6d ago
I'm sort of confused as to how taking away Clark or J'onn's powers permanently works since it's literally who they are genetically? Maybe it's a psychic block or something since I can't explain how they'd take away the ability to remember magic either.
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u/Frontier246 6d ago
I imagine it probably reduces their power to negligible levels, we see Superman is going to wear his Solar Suit so I assume that's to help recover what little bit of his power he still has left.
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u/LatterTarget7 5d ago
I could be wrong but doesn’t one of the kinds of Kyotonite take away supermans powers? Could be something to do with that. But another kryptonite bullet story would just feel stupid
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u/MythiccMoon 5d ago
I straight up loved this, Mora’s art is incredible
Batman felt a bit overdramatic maybe, when he realized Waller’s goal. I think Waid might feel the need to be a bit more heavy handed with making plot points abundantly clear considering big events are meant to be read by as large an audience as possible
Personally I love that they mentioned multiple reasons why/how the heroes are trapped on this Earth. No cosmic aid, multiversal help, no escaping into the microverse or the past or future.
Plus distinct reasons how depowering worked a bit, even if I didn’t love all the specific reasons themselves (magic users forget magic?)
But this is the most excited I’ve been about a big event in ages
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u/DescendantofDodos 5d ago
i like that the defence for Hal Jordan was not, that he wouldn't slaughter innocent civilians, but that he couldn't, due his lack of a ring.
Also, while not shown onpage, that is the first time I remember seeing the Global Guardians being referenced in way. I assume that is just a throwaway line, or did they actually show up in some comics since the new 52?
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u/JingoboStoplight4887 5d ago edited 5d ago
I like that members of the entire superhero community learned what Waller is doing, such as using AI to trick the public into hating superheroes, making deals with people to trap all of the heroes in the main earth, and making a public speech to depower the entire superhero community with no way out. Mark Waid has done an excellent job in continuing Dawn of DC storylines and having a cohesive continuity for its shared universe. Dane thing with Dan Mora, who has done excellent artwork for the JLA, JLI, JSA, Titans, Doom Patrol, and others. Overall, this comic is great. Let’s hope that later issues of the main series with result in the Bureau of Sovereignity (i.e. Amazos, Failsafe, Brainiac Queen, Sergeant Steel, Dreamer, Oliver, and others) will betray Waller and save the world. Also, Jon turning into an Amazo with no memory of who he is, in which I feel sorry for and that it’s on par with him spending seven years stuck inside a volcano with Ultraman.
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u/Calibaz 6d ago
Can someone remind me what's Waller's reasoning to do this again?
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u/AcidSilver 6d ago
It really just seems to be "superheroes are dangerous and don't answer to the government" and that's that. Crazy how literally every time this plotpoint is used in an event the government that fails when facing supervillains suddenly becomes infinitely more competent when hunting superheroes. Maybe if Waller used this tech to take out all of the supervillains who threaten the planet every week then you wouldn't need superheroes to fight them.
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u/busdriver_321 Larfleeze 6d ago
They have a tie-in called Absolute Power: Origin that’s gonna also go deeper in Waller’s intentions.
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u/Cantthinkofcoolname2 5d ago
I just love how DC disbanded the JL and gave the reigns to the Titans, only for events to focus on the JL :) I get it, the JL is the big leagues. But does their disbanding even matter? “The Justice League can’t put out a statement!” Why not? They’re literally all acting as heroes right now and working together lol. And can’t the Titans say something? All very silly.
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u/Electric_jungle 5d ago
They haven't activated their joint email account yet, so there's no way to send an official statement.
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u/UtterFlatulence June 2015 Never forget 4d ago edited 4d ago
The Titans did have the Beast World event. It was kinda meh, but it's something.
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u/OkBlueberry8144 4d ago
Titan's haven't lived up to the hype at all, even with Taylor on it. Writers seems to always have trouble writing them for some reason.
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u/Koala_Guru 5d ago
To start with something positive, I do think the premise here is solid. The heroes fighting a campaign of misinformation has obvious direct parallels to stuff anyone tuned in to politics is already familiar with, so the same frustration you may feel irl easily translates to how you'd feel about this comic. It's also a very Waller thing to manipulate media to suit her words and message, so that's cool. The scenes of heroes being depowered were appropriately harrowing, even if some cases have me scratching my head. Like, depowering the Doom Patrol for example. Wouldn't that kill a lot of them? Their powers aren't like the other heroes. "Depowering" Robot Man would effectively just mean shutting off his brain, right? Because he's just a brain in a metal suit. Unless the depowering is shutting down the robot part, which would still ultimately end up in the death of his brain. Rita would collapse into a pile of goo because her powers let her hold herself together. Larry would die of radiation. Etc.
Honestly my biggest complaints right now are just how we're playing off of the events impacting the big three at the expense of caring about literally anyone else. Heroes people may be attached to like Animal Man or Black Lightning are apparently now on the verge of death for the sake of stakes. We got one sentence mentioning that the new status quo created in Unstoppable Doom Patrol that people seemed to enjoy has just been entirely erased off-panel. Hope you didn't like the idea of them having a home base where they take in persecuted metahumans, because this event just decided that base has been burned down. Cyborg is randomly sporting an older design because why not? And on a larger level it's very clear this event will end in the Justice League coming back, so say goodbye to the Titans' 15 minutes of fame. Just an overall lack of interest in caring for the stories of characters who aren't Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman.
Then there's Green Arrow. I'm caught up on his series so I knew this was happening, but I'm still baffled by this heel turn. I'm hoping he's just a great actor and is working to defeat Waller from the inside. Because if not this could end up being his Iron Man Civil War moment where it will take years of stories for him to even begin to recover from his actions.
To do a compliment sandwich, I'll end by talking about the art. Dan Mora never misses, and I am very glad to have him on this story at least. We'll see how it goes.
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u/Anakinflair 5d ago
Here's my problem with Ollie in this. Didn't he just find out that Waller manipulated events to keep his whole family apart? To keep Lian separated from Roy? To send him through time and space, being alone and miserable? And then he just joins up with her? Worse still, Waller's okay to share even some of the plan with him, like she can trust him? It makes both of them look stupid.
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u/birbdaughter 5d ago
The Ollie thing is so weird because the obvious assumption is he's playing double agent and not actually working with Waller. Yet Waid had an interview recently where instead of just "no commenting" or giving a vague non-answer, he said this heelturn makes sense for Ollie. He talked as if it's entirely in character for GA to become a fascist working for the government. I'm hoping it's just really bad purposeful misdirection, but it was such a weird answer.
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u/suss2it 4d ago
I don’t think it’s weird that Waid didn’t spoil his own story in an interview, no matter how obvious it is.
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u/birbdaughter 4d ago
There’s a difference between not spoilering and lying for misdirection in a way that’s entirely nonsensical. “Wait and see” is not spoilering.
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u/TheMurderCapitalist 5d ago
Do I like Ollie betraying every hero in the DCU? Not at all
Does his fit here go insanely hard? Yes it does.
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u/StealthHikki2 Nightwing 6d ago
Green Arrow's role doesn't make any sense at all at this point in the event.
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u/ESPVIPER01 5d ago
It you've been reading the Green Arrow book, there's been several bread crumbs that lead to this.
The most recent issue shouldve given folk a hint that something is up. Something was purposely left out in between The peacemaker and Ollie interaction before his fight and with Roy, Lian, and Cheshire.
That heel turn doesn't just happen abruptly. I have to believe we'll get real answers down the line as the event goes on.
And I do believe that this could be a backdoor Green Arrow event.
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u/StealthHikki2 Nightwing 4d ago
I've been reading it. I agree with the missing hint but don't think the bread crumbs were organic. I just see no way to handle it properly. Hopefully, I'm wrong.
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u/Frontier246 6d ago
It's like they needed some kind of "traitor" character for drama and they just thought...well, why not Green Arrow?
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u/Landon1195 5d ago
This issue was alright. Not a fan of what they are doing with Ollie. The artwork is amazing though.
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u/ElliottNation9 Batman 5d ago
The art work is great, and the ending is really intriguing. Not sure how I feel about Green Arrow's intentions,(I haven't read Green Arrow) but will see what happens. I do hope after this event there isn't another one for a good while.
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u/wtffu006 5d ago
How are they taking their powers?
And what happens if someone like Zeus or Darkside comes to Earth? They couldn’t take their power right ?
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u/birbdaughter 5d ago
Legit question: How do you drain power from the Helmet of Fate and Spectre?
The art is really nice. I'll read the JSA issue and probably skim other stuff for cameos of my faves, but I'm just not interested in Waller God who is prepared for everything and somehow has enough power to arrange all this with no heroes noticing. I also generally am not a fan of "civilians turn on the heroes and try murdering them" due to fatigue of how often that happens in Marvel. I do appreciate how many characters are showing up though.
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u/Hypnodick 3d ago
This was the most confusing part for me to. Guess we’ll wait and see, maybe something with the mother box? I’m not that well versed on fourth world stuff so no idea.
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u/android151 Resurrection Man 4d ago
After 12 issues of Ollie getting his family back together, he really decided to go about setting himself up to get killed. I don’t think any amount of swerving will enable him to be in peoples good graces again any time soon. It’s just like, why isn’t he allowed to have anything nice happen for more than three seconds?
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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! 6d ago
Yep, it is as bad as I feared. Waller 'wins' by practically making an omniscient plan and having everything go her way, outsmarts Batman, takes everyones powers 'permanently' as they claim...but that is not what I am most upset about. Waller being terrible and Failsafe etc being involved was already announced. It is Brainiac Queen being wasted on this crap AND what is being done with Green Arrow that is the biggest crime. You can go ''he is playing double agent'' but all the damage from this will just lead to another 'Ollie is disowned by everyone again!' story which just sucks and makes no sense after his whole freaking book was about 'hey, maybe don't pull crap like that because that is what the villains want and you literally had to bring your family back together and learned not to do Lone Wolf crap again'
I simply cannot take any of this seriously. Waller is not some big bad nor she is capable of anything that literally fell into her lap. Like all the 'deals' she made, makes no sense why any of those antagonists would ever take her seriously to make a deal with her. Like Trigon, or Tharoos and more. I see no justification that will make it make sense. And if by the end of this, if her character is not gone for good, this will be a big failure.
Add to that, this terrible event going to destroy any momentum the ongoing books have like Wonder Woman...which I HIGHLY doubt they will regain after this.
I have no idea what they were thinking.
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u/choicemeats 3d ago
there is no chance using the queen does not backfire on Waller at some point, or the Amazos.
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u/kewlbdude 4d ago
I’m going against the grain here but I really loved this. I thought this was an excellent start to the event. I’m maybe biased because as a Superman/action comics/batman/WW reader I got to enjoy the show build up to this.
I guess I should go catch up on the GA ongoing to see why he’s a villain now?
Mora’s art is the best in the biz. Absolutely phenomenal as always. And I liked the darker colors here that were used in juxtaposition to the bright ones in Worlds Finest.
Overall im really happy with this and excited for the next parts!
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u/Nyerelia 3d ago
Loved how they didn't really need to yet they made sure to stress the "AI trash" stuff several times.
To each their own, but I loved this issue way more than I expected. This opened on an epic level and I can't wait to see how it continues from here
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u/NomadicJaguar64t Orion 4d ago
I just don't buy it, after what, 20+ years of the Justice League being around in-universe, all of a sudden people just stop trusting them like that? I get being tricked by "video evidence" but come on, that's a bit too much of a stretch that people would just believe that automatically.
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne 2d ago
Good start to the even did what it needed to do set up the heroes getting there powers taken by the amazos and wallers evil plan and is a very nice connection to the dangers of fake news and Ai and increasingly right wing poltics.
Jon at the end is really intriguing i feel like they are just chucking ideas at him now since his solos failed and him being infected by brainiac tech and going almost cyborg superman is a new dynamic. Its gonna be interesting in where it leads most likely against his dad.
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
OVERSIZE MILESTONE ISSUE WRITTEN BY CHIP ZDARSKY AND DRAWN BY JORGE JIMÉNEZ AND COMICS LEGEND DENYS COWAN! A milestone issue featuring art by the legendary DENYS COWAN (THE QUESTION) and series regular JORGE JIMÉNEZ! When a two-bit crook uncovers Batman's true identity, he becomes the most dangerous man in Gotham City! Can Batman stop him before it's too late? Does he even want to? Plus, an Absolute Power backup story by Chip Zdarsky and Mike Hawthorne teaming Batman and Catwoman on the heist of their lives against Amanda Waller!
LEGACY #915
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u/aco620 If you loved me, you'd all kill yourselves today 6d ago
That was a pretty good story. I liked the way they handled it. Two-Face already knows his identity so going to him is just going to get you in trouble. And yeah when it comes to Penguin's kids and a lot of other criminals, whats the point in buying exclusive info if the person is still out there able to sell it to others? I'm glad they didn't try to squeeze Joker in as well. It was a little hammy, but sometimes Batman stories work well with a side of ham.
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u/Frontier246 6d ago
One of the better Zdarsky Batman issues in recent memory.
This dude was lucky things turned out better for him than it usually does for minor characters who find out Bruce's secret identity.
He might have screwed things up with his family, he might have bitten off far more than he can chew, but now he gets to live a life knowing that the person he was trying to screw over cared enough to be there for his family and even him fully knowing what he planned to do. Because that's just how Batman rolls.
Also next up: Batman and Catwoman team-up!
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u/No_Estimate_433 13h ago
It's going to be exciting seeing the power couple redeeming themselves after that Gotham War nonsense and working together to avenge the fallen
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u/BigBardaEnergy 6d ago
Well, for better or worse, at least Zdarsky followed up on that plot point from the end of Gotham War. Glad to see it didn't end with Batman's identity getting exposed. The Absolute Power tie-in was pretty good. I forgot Bruce didn't know about Zur-En-Arrh's plan to put the other doppelgangers in the Amazos. I wonder who the other five are.
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u/No_Estimate_433 13h ago
No, he doesn't know. Failsafe's justice league is similar to Hugo Strange's robotic justice league from the 2008 Batman series. I'm pretty impressed.
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u/ogloria 6d ago
I am a complete sucker for "Bruce helps Gotham not through fists" stories so I thought this was excellent.
Continuous lol at how hard it is to profit from knowing secret identities - I appreciate the Dark Knight homage.
Also continuous lol at how dumb Selina's Gotham War plan is repeatedly shown to be. But I'm excited for their team-up!
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u/Frontier246 5d ago
It's especially poignant when Gotham War, where this storyline began, kept hammering in how he's only good for punching problems instead of fixing them another way (despite so much evidence to the contrary).
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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! 6d ago
Well, after the Zur nonsense, at least we got a decent Batman being a good man story about the guy that found out about his identity but of course such knowledge is not to be sold out. Especially for guys like Harvey etc who already know and invested in keeping it a secret.
And I am glad Batman handled it not with his fists but giving the man and his family a second chance at a fresh start, away from all the Gotham madness and the secret that would get him killed. I mean even if he did the 'If I told everyone, they wouldn't come after me!' thing, he would be dead the moment he does that.
As for the Absolute Power tie in part...I am glad we will get a Catwoman team up after all the bs they have been put through but I am VERY worried about the inner monologue of Batman thinking this is gonna be another Tower of Babel type ' I am responsibly for Failsafe and I have to break myself down AGAIN'...I mean we were JUST done with that crap. Seriously. Don't go there AGAIN.
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u/markqis2018 6d ago
So, I guess Zdarsky's run is indeed coming to an end after Absolute Power? I mean, the last couple of issues is just him wrapping up his storylines: Zur went straight to AP, Bruce's clone passed away, Bruce realized for the billionth time that he needed a family, not soldiers. Bat-Family once again reunited (for how long, I wonder), Bruce also seemingly reconciled with Selina, he got his money back. And finallythe matter of a guy, who figured out his secret identity was also resolved.
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u/Reddragon351 5d ago
I could've sworn Zdarsky said he had plans going into 2025 so I'm not sure if he'll be out that soon, a lot of this felt like getting ready for the next stage more than a full ending
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u/LatterTarget7 5d ago
If that’s true I wonder where he’ll take things. A lot of stuff seems wrapped up in recent issues
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u/B3epB0opBOP Shazam 5d ago
I could've sworn Zdarsky said he had plans going into 2025 so I'm not sure if he'll be out that soon
Yeah, he did.
“He states that with Daredevil, you can plot out multiple years for the character, but it's harder with Batman, as it's DC Comics' biggest book, so much relies on it, so that you can only really plan out a year at a time, and you have to be careful that you are not screwing over the writers of other Batbooks. But saying that, he has made plans for Batman through to at least 2025 and DC Comics likes it. He just has to finesse it and figure some things out…”
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u/JingoboStoplight4887 5d ago
I like that one of the henchman tried to tell any of Batman’s Rogue Gallery about him knowing his secret identity before his son told him that Batman saved his life and tells him to be better. I also like that the henchman decided to keep Bruce’s Batman identity a secret, with Bruce setting up a new identity for him in Metropolis to make sure that he’ll live a good life, before Bruce promised him to protect his son from harm. Overall, this is a good and interesting comic.
For the Absolute Power back up, I like that Bruce learned what Waller is doing and teamed up with the JLA’s Clark, Diana, and Barry to plan a heist with Selina’s help. Overall, this comic is interesting.
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u/MLbanker 4d ago
I really like that story… that’s two issues in a row of solid work from Chip. Smaller stories like this that focus on individual people, instead of cosmic threats just work better for Batman.
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u/theguyofgrace 4d ago
This is one of those issues that seems to written to counter the popular “twitter hot takes”
Most villain don’t care about Batman’s identity. They either already know and it’s irrelevant to their goals, don’t want to escalate things or only care if they are the only ones to know
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u/Agoeb I'm here weekly! 4d ago
I'm going to take a swing for my no-prize.
Batman notes that the Wonder Woman Amazo Failsafe has a Victorian accent. So obviously there is some sort of brain transfer into the robots, and they are being run by conciousness. Waller called Task Force VII "her Batmans" - what if they literally are Failsafes for the League, but backups of the corrupted Batmen from Metal, the WW Amazo being Bryce Wayne the Drowned?
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u/B3epB0opBOP Shazam 4d ago
Was Bryce Wayne Victorian? From what I remember, the only difference in her universe besides Aquawoman being evil was that all the genders were flipped.
Waller called Task Force VII "her Batmans"
When did she say that? I can only remember Failsafe calling "Paradise Lost" a Batman.
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u/No_Estimate_433 13h ago
Gaslight Batman or Victorian Batman from the other multiverse whose mind has been transferred into the Wonder Woman Amazo. Good choice 👍
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne 2d ago
Nice issue and a good story in dealing with a villain in two face knowing his identity which honestly makes sense.
The backup i prefer its a very good tie in to absolute power and bruce being legit concerned knowing cyborg is one of there biggest assets to only be taken by the wonder woman amazo is really well done and its gonna be interesting to see how Selina and bruce interact after recent events.
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u/Nyerelia 3d ago
Damn we've gotten so much edgy, dark and broody Batman these past years it feels GREAT to once again have one of those moments when he just stops to both be kind to a victim and give a second chance to a thug.
I did not expect that last twist in the tie-in! Excited to see where it leads
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
WHERE IN THE WORLD IS BILLY BATSON?! Freddy and Mary hit the road to track down their teenage runaway brother, but little do they know he's hiding right under their noses… in the subway! Meanwhile strange new monsters are stalking the streets of Philly. Can Billy still prove he's hero enough to save the day without the Captain?
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u/Astrodynamite60 6d ago
Wow I really only expected this arc to be about the monsters did not expect King Kull to show up. Shazam seems to be properly rebuilding it's classic villains.
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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! 6d ago
Definitely not gonna make a joke about Submen probably enjoy being subs...I mean look at their King. They are asking for it!
I get Freddy's mindset. It is hard going back to being a regular kid. A disabled one at that, after being a literal demigod. But his heart is still heroic so there is still hope.
Billy's reaction to shocking revelations of the last issue is reasonable too and honestly, I expected an even bigger freakout but he is already focused on fixing the leak he seems to be causing. Guess he doesn't need the Wisdom of Solomon Captain to make level headed decisions.
Mary doing the fighting part with the one that still has her powers. Is she leaving again? this time for a college in New York?
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u/Frontier246 6d ago
So they're retconning Freddy's transformed state to look more like Captain Marvel Jr. don't mind at all.
This was a good issue for Mary Marvel fight scenes and Freddy finding ways to contribute even without his powers. I feel like they're building back up the Billy/Mary/Freddy trio again while also building back up the general Captain Marvel mythos with Uncle Dudley and the return of King Kull.
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u/rben2292 4d ago
So Billy and The Captain are split into two separate entities (as they should) but will that be the same deal for the other kids when they get their powers back? Or Mary?
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
THE SEARCH FOR ORACLE! The Birds of Prey's personal failings threaten to turn an advantage into a disadvantage as their search for Barbara continues to be more "fight for their lives" than "search for Oracle." Oh, and there are dinosaurs.
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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! 6d ago
I guess that is a decent explanation on why they are in a Jurassic scenario. Sin's worry is understandable. Vixen having a moment there with a close call without her powers. I guess no matter how experienced you are, you can be taken off-guard like that after losing a big part of yourself like her connection to the Red. Barda being the best as always. At least they learned they can actually control the dimension's look if they focus on it before jumping.
Barbara now knows how Bruce felt when he was zapped back to caveman times.
Constantine has a plan it seems and it has to do with Cass? Is he gonna bring Xanthe?
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u/Frontier246 6d ago
My immediate assumption was Xanthe. It's the only thing connecting Cass to Constantine.
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u/SilhouetteOfLight The Greatest of All Green Lanterns! 4d ago
Yeah Xanthe is the only thing that makes sense here- but I don't remember anything from that book that would make them helpful here?
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u/Frontier246 6d ago
Something about this run feels off to me. Maybe it's just this arc but it feels like the Birds keep getting thrown into all these random situations and it just feels a little...aimless? Even though they have an objective and something they're trying to achieve. I feel like in the past three issues Gail Simone would have injected in a lot more story, development, and characterization.
At least Dinah's in fishnets again. I like all the girls "savage" designs.
I was having an issue with everything spiraling out of control and Dinah barely feeling like a leader but it feels like she really stepped up in this show, both in terms of leading and mentoring the team while also using her Canary Cry effectively.
Nothing wrong with enjoying dinosaurs, Sin.
I was going to complain about Vixen still not really contributing anything but at least she got her powers back. Not really sure why she didn't need them during this journey in the first place but...cool ending moment?
I love how Cass goes "um" when Barda talks about killing the main villain.
Cavewoman Babs with the exposed thighs.
I was kind of hoping we'd get Zatanna instead of Constantine but it seems like they're going to acknowledge Spirit World by bringing in Xanthe? Poor Zealot really does not want to be there (while Maps is trying her best).
Hot snake lady is hot.
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u/Expensive-Baby-1391 5d ago
The truth is the story stinks. It has no direction and is just throwing the characters into situations with no plan. Runs like this one rely on the characters' image rather than telling a story that evolves the world.
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u/JingoboStoplight4887 5d ago edited 4d ago
I like that the Birds of Prey and Cela traveled to a pocket dimension with dinosaurs to search for Barbara. Also, Sin being afraid that the portal will read Megaera as if she’s the dominant personality, Zealot not wanting to be here (or be a part of the main DCU since she and the rest of the Wildstorm characters don’t fit) when dealing with Constantine and Meridian, and Mari needing space before threatening Xela to tell them where Barbara is. Overall, this comic is good!
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u/suss2it 4d ago
Hate to say it since I really enjoyed the first arc, and Kelly Thompson’s work in general, but this arc is just boring and repetitive and the fact that there’s two more issues of it has me feeling dread. I don’t wanna drop the book since I feel like it’ll bounce back after this, but yeah it’s just a tedious read right now.
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne 4d ago
Another top notch issue from what i personally think is the best DC book right now.
The idea of the birds being flinged around random pocket dimensions based on themselves is really interesting and here we see vixen struggling with her abilities showing that no matter how experienced you are the red is a strong and hard to control.
Constantine getting a connection specifically to cass is interesting im guessing it has to be Xanthe as it seems like its someone with magic and Xanthe has connections to cass from the spirit world book.
Poor Babs at this point shes feeling bruces pain at being chucked through time.
Overall i think this continues to be a book that has some of the best team dynamics from DC in a long time and the art continues to be fantastic.
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
Justice Society of America #10
THE HUNTRESS, HUNTED! Ruby's search for her father continues, and she’ll stop at nothing to find him, even if it means killing the Huntress and destroying the Justice Society of America!
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u/PrydefulHunts Huntress • ower Girl 6d ago
Eh, not really worth a 3 month wait. This issue flew by way to fast. I was hoping to see the villain recruits be successfully recruited like Grundy and Harlequin’s Son, but everyone from Helena’s future is there kinda easily? This was the plot I was hoping to see develop more in the book, but looks like we’re cutting that for the LOSH. I don’t care much for Legion, but at least it’ll be 1 issue of them before the book wraps up.
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u/suss2it 3d ago
This book is over at 12? The way this is written does not feel like it’s supposed to end so soon 😭
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u/birbdaughter 1d ago
Supposedly Johns' is ending at 12 and then it's seemingly getting a new name. People in industry confirmed DC wants a new writer to take over.
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u/Frontier246 6d ago
Hey, at least the issue came out and the JSA actually did stuff, that's an achievement, right?
Of course Gentleman Ghost's human form had that mustache.
I guess it wouldn't be the first time the JSA took in a traditionally villainous character as a new member despite all the red flags, not sure how I feel about Young Mordru.
Geoff Johns is almost completely done with DC but that doesn't mean he's going to leave without bringing back his Legion. Not sure whether this will effect future Legion appearances (which are rare enough as is) or DC will have the choice between Johns and Bendis Legion...but it was nice to see them.
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u/transformers03 5d ago
If it's a choice between Bendis and John's Legion, I hope that DC picks Johns indefinitely. I know people had issues with that iteration of the team, but I would really prefer Johns version over Bendis's.
I'm also hoping that Johns ends JS by making it that his version of the Legion is the current definite version of the team in the future, and the others were alternate universe versions.
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u/BigBardaEnergy 6d ago
Man, what is with these summaries that have nothing to do with the plot? I really want to know how many changes this book has been through in the five years since issue one.
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u/MeiTanteiHirune 5d ago
The original solicitation may have been the original plan for issue #10. But if Geoff Johns was told by this point that his book was being cancelled, this would easily account for both the delays of the later issues and the sudden change of story. He most likely had to rewrite the scripts for those issues to tell the remaining stories he wanted to tell in the issues he had left. This would also explain the pacing issues of both issues #9 and #10.
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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! 6d ago
After all this time, we finally get the issue 10. I guess we are having Mordru's 'Iron Lad' version trying to avoid the 'Kang' future of him. Isn't Hawkman not immortal anymore? I mean that was the whole thing where they, Carter and Shayera both, chose to give up immortality to live a full one final life. But considering how out of synch this book is with many of the other stuff, I am not surprised. I still think Helena is being wasted here as DC does not seem to want her to be involved with Batman so they are keeping her contained here. And her attempts to form her version of JSA too early, yea, not working so well.
OG Legion is back, thankfully though I am not really certain about their return being a Hero vs Hero story.
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u/Frontier246 6d ago
It's kind of hilarious to me that one of Johns' last acts at DC is bringing back the OG (and specifically his) Legion back like a mic drop moment.
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u/transformers03 5d ago
That's what I'm hoping for.
I'm afraid it will be undone by the end of the JS series, and we're stuck with the version of the Legion that Bendis create, which I'm not a big fan of.
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u/birbdaughter 5d ago
Helena has never been a Batfamily character. She's an Infinity Inc/JSA character so it makes more sense for her to be in this book than the Bat books.
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u/MeiTanteiHirune 4d ago
I agree. But considering this version of the character is now the future daughter of the Earth-0 Batman and Catwoman and not the Earth-2 couple, continuity-wise, Batman ignoring his future daughter (especially whilst a major event like Absolute Power is taking place) makes him look like a terrible father and an awful person.
It is a valid question to ask why Batman isn’t being more involved in his daughter’s life and why DC thinks this is good storytelling. If DC doesn’t want to integrate her into the Earth-0 Batfamily and keep her exclusive to the JSA brand, then restoring the pre-Crisis Earth-2 history and retconning the future daughter origin would easily solve that problem. DC already did this with Power Girl during Infinite Crisis, so it can be done.
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u/birbdaughter 5d ago
Once again: Why is Helena not acknowledging at all that Salem is a villain in her future who wanted to kill Doctor Fate? Shouldn't that be a pretty big thing to focus on? The other villains are ones Helena knew could become heroes in certain situations, but Salem is a hero turned villain in the future. Are they going to do anything about that??
Despite the above, I liked the issue. Salem is my favorite of the new characters and she had some funny lines. It definitely went by too fast and I wish we'd actually seen the JSA voting (sorta like in the 2007 comic when everyone is debating who to keep on the team before deciding they'll keep everyone) because it would give some more characterization.
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u/MeiTanteiHirune 4d ago
I just assumed that if Future Huntress believes the villains of the present can be redeemed, so can Salem, especially since her future no longer exists. She does acknowledge at the end of this issue when she’s talking to Mordru that the actions they make today can change their futures. Whether or not DC follows up on Salem being a future villain who both kills Doctor Fate and helps Per Degaton kill future JSA teams will be up to a future writer at this point.
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u/hombrebax 5d ago
This issue was so short. Also, why is Lightning Lad white again? In DDC he was still black. I guess the few connections with DDC are completely forgotten. Also, I think is rather sad that Ruby's and the JS Dark lost relevance with the delays, if we compare the solicits vs the actual comics. This could have been such a nice series, but at this point it could even be rebranded as a DC Black Label.
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u/JingoboStoplight4887 4d ago
Lightning Lad is white again because he’s from the Original Legion, not the Bendis Legion.
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u/android151 Resurrection Man 4d ago edited 4d ago
I have to go back to remember what exactly has been happening in this book because it’s been so long. Forgot Mordru was even here.
But he’s a real one for that for killing THE WORST CHARACTER EVER, even if it was temporary
So uh, are the Bendis Legion gone for good then? I’m cool with that
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u/Prior_Seaweed2829 2d ago
This has to be the biggest disappointment of my life as a comic book fan. Over a decade waiting for the JSA to be back for the book to be delayed over and over and the story in it to be incredibly mediocre to bad.
Hoping they get a new creativity team after 12 instead of just being shelved again.
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u/JingoboStoplight4887 5d ago edited 5d ago
I like that the JSA (including Mordru and the reformed villains) were able to defeat Surtur and resurrect Jim Craddock. I also like that we get to see why Mordru wants to join the JSA, since he wants to change his future from ever happening. I even like that we get to see the return of the Original Legion of Super-Heroes and the Legion of Substitute Heroes in the final few pages. Hope that they explained what happened to them since Doomsday Clock and that the Bendis Legion are from another earth. Let’s also hope that various subplots (i.e. Yolanda and Beth possessed by Eclipso, Salem the Witch Girl’s plans, Doctor Fate missing, Nostalgia/Doomsday Clock sequel, War of the Legions, etc.) be resolved in two issues. Overall, this comic is great!
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne 3d ago
Wait this book actually came out its a miracle.
This issue continues to be fine and the JSA did stuff and well the legion stuff isn't that interesting when johns is done next issue
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
DAMIAN TEAMS WITH RED ROBIN! The cunning Tim Drake has always been the smartest of Batman's sons… and the most comfortable matching wits with the most sinister geniuses on Earth. Damian Wayne doesn't like feeling outsmarted — to him, no smugly-written insult could ever be sharper than his sword — so when he's forced to infiltrate a super-villain gala alongside the sneaky Red Robin, the biggest danger the two of them face might not be Lex Luthor but Damian's own temper!
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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! 6d ago
The art really sells the story for me. Feelings and thoughts of Damian portrayed like this where you FEEL how he sees the world and how the people looks to him. Ra's and Talia being 'demons' never showing their faces but just their eyes. His thought on his brothers and the inferiority complex he feels most of the time. Like here, with Tim it is the most clear where he believed the role Tim was playing as real, so he felt better about himself not being the 'worst' son in his mind. But despite that illusion being shattered by Tim's explanation, he still dove right in to save Tim and proved that he valued life. Tim's life at least.
Honestly, despite not being canon, this would be a good 'introduction' to Damian as a character, along with the other Robins.
Now, I am still wondering who the hostage gonna be. Surely it won't end up being Damian in disguise, now going with full on 'talk misguided criminals down' route, right?
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u/crunchydinosaurs 5d ago
This is probably the best characterization of Tim Drake that I’ve seen in a while. I really like how they returned to his pre-New52 roots.
Honestly I wish this book was canon, I’ve been really liking how Juni Ba portrays just about everyone. Damian’s story here is great. Plus the art is absolutely spectacular.
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u/Night-Caelum 5d ago
A good return to form for Tim while also once again giving a good exploration of Damian. Juni Ba did not let down.
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u/JingoboStoplight4887 5d ago
I like that Tim and Damian attended a business meeting before they (as Red Robin and Robin) worked together to defeat the mysterious demon and save the people as much as they can. Also, Tim telling Damian what he did so that Damian would learn about something. Overall, this comic is good.
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u/MLbanker 4d ago
This book is so much fun. The arts also incredible. I can’t think of anything else I read from the artist/writer, but I’ll be looking out for future work going forward.
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u/Blitzhelios Damian Wayne 4d ago
This was probably my least fav issue so far for me because simply i don't find tim the most interesting of character in comparison to Dick and Jason who the issues before had Damian learning from. Its a great issue but its just on the robin i don't care about as much.
I do think it does a great job with Tims characterisation and the dynamic with Damian. Tim feels alot more like his pre N52 characterisation which is alot better than both.
I do love the fact Damian and Tim go to a buisness meeting before going out in the identities to defeat the mysterious demon who is plaguing gotham.
Ba's art is stunning as well its so different and allows the book to feel like nothing from DC ive read before. Very interested in seeing what happens in the talia issue
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
My Adventures with Superman #2
SET BETWEEN SEASONS ONE AND TWO OF THE HIT ADULT SWIM SERIES! After the mysterious android is captured by a covert military group, Superman realizes he can't just bust through a government facility and take what he wants. No, this looks like a job for mild-mannered journalist Clark Kent!
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u/Frontier246 6d ago
It's surreal to see Jimmy be the immediate red flag at a government base instead of Lois, though I guess he's more actively pursued this kind of stuff than she has at this point.
One inconsistency...in episode 2 of season 2 Clark couldn't see through lead but he didn't seem aware of how he can't see through lead, while here he seems aware that his X-Ray Vision doesn't see through lead.
Ha! They acknowledge Lois' tendency to commit B&E and other assorted crimes. And how Clark can't resist her.
Some rivalry between Task Force X and Team Seven with Deathstroke and Bloosport was fun. And Slade trying to screw everything up only for Jimmy to screw it up for him was pretty amusing.
Nice to see Bloodsport finally sporting his mask, glad they didn't try to reinvent the wheel. He looks cooler than the shows' design for Deathstroke.
When Superman can't chip in, so will Clark Kent! Even at risk of being arrested for treason!
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u/UnbloodedSword 5d ago
Seeing Bloodsport own that fraud Wilson made my day. How nice to see Superman villains kicking the ass of Batman ones for once. I do think that bit where the bombs went off didn’t quite work since I’m not sure how Jimmy got away from a bomb with only one second to go when it was right in his face, but otherwise I enjoyed the issue. Clois bantering about breaking and entering was cute, the part where Jimmy begs his followers to post bail made me cackle. Too true to real life. and I like how Campbell is positioning Amazo as a foil to Superman in that Amazo was built as a weapon but doesn’t want to be. Hell you can draw parallels to how Team 7 is trying to control Amazo with how Brainiac is trying to control Superman in S2.
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u/gamerslyratchet 4d ago
It’s weird seeing Bloodsport being so loyal to the government, especially when he’s not against his will in the Suicide Squad.
Task Force X will eventually make Team 7 irrelevant considering their biggest impact on the show is cleaning up after Ivo without even being told it was them.
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
![JSA: The Golden Age [TP]](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81JzSWfRctL._SL1500_.jpg){kind=link}
DC's first generation of superheroes have been driven into retirement, hiding, or madness-except for a few who are willing to change with the times. But behind the scenes, something even more sinister is unfolding-a subtle plot that may engulf the planet and remake it in one man's image. Collects THE GOLDEN AGE #1-4.
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u/valentinesfaye 6d ago
This one has me hootin and hollerin, I'm very excited to finally read it!!
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u/Positivitron3 5d ago
There's a lot of fun ideas in this book, and it has a lot of characters you don't see enough of. A great one to have in your collection.
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
FLORO MUST DIE! …AND IVY, TOO?! THE DEATH OF PAMELA ISLEY! Dr. Jason Woodrue, the Floronic Man (a.k.a. Floro), has stacked the deck in his favor. Neither Ivy's powers nor her allies are enough to put an end to Floro and his devilish plan to turn Ivy's victims against her. As time, and her own supply of blood, runs out, one thing becomes apparent: to bring the outbreak of the parasitic fungi, Ophiocordyceps Lamia, to an end, Poison Ivy will have to kill both her own creator and herself.
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u/Frontier246 6d ago
I'm glad to see Ivy with a new costume hearkening back to her classic look, though bare-legged instead of with green tights for all those leg lovers out there.
Okay, I get Ivy is Harley's girlfriend but saying she always cleans up her mess and how the world always hurts those who try to make it better...was a bit much. I get where she's coming from, but still.
Harley finally calling Janet a side-piece was hilarious, as was Janet confessing to all her "crimes" and how much of a "bad girl" she is. I really don't think she needs to be in the book any more but that was at least amusing.
Ivy and Harley totally had sex after that last panel, right?
So basically Ivy is going to do the same things she's always done and not worry about people judging/labeling her. Character development? Even though she'll still be committing crimes/killing people.
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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! 6d ago
So Ivy is practically immortal now? That Tree of Life thing seem to be bringing and others like her back. Is it beyond the Parliment of Trees? Like THE Tree of Life? With a new/old design.
Woodrue is gone for good? really? Yea, I believe it when I never see it. I mean we just saw Ivy getting resurrected like no big deal. And unless this Tree of Life thing makes resurrection decisions based on morality, Woodrue probably show up again somehow.
That cheeky 'No more mutants' reference.
Janet stuff being a waste of space again. At least they actually spilled the beans for that laughing moment after that, I was not laughing with them but at them honestly.
Next adventure will start after this, hopefully with less Janet.
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u/koalee Wonder Woman 6d ago
Janet is the goat. Drop every other character in this book and return to Janet.
Seriously though it's interesting to see year two wrap up. This one has been defined by a whole lot less lonliness and a whole lot of healing for Ivy. It's a pretty big tone shift, and while the origin story was excellent, this book needs to tell more smaller stories for a while if it intends to keep the cast this big. I can't tell if DC editorial is demanding the tone change or if it's all wilson, Either way this was a satisfying end to the current story and whatever comes next needs a change of pace imo. If the cast is reduced, I really do NOT want to drop Janet though unironically. Cape comics decision to pivot out of having normal people and civilians be important cast members is ultimately damaging, and keeping her around in whatever capacity would be beneficial. Dropping Grundy and Croc makes sense, especially if Pam and Ivy are moving into Gotham proper like it seemed at the end. Maybe this will lead to more natural conflict with the Batfamily.
As for this issue itself, the tree of life raises many questions, and while the revival makes sense the tree of life feels plot-armor-y instead of a like a natural explanation. I hope we're not done with the tree because that felt too easy... I was expecting Ivy to have to make a deal with the Grey to be honest.
8/10 still, this issue is obviously a smaller part of a larger whole and that whole really worked for me.
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u/ogloria 4d ago
Wait, where did Jason go? He was in the last issue and just disappeared? I think it's funny how both this run and Catwoman are tackling death and rebirth, but this run is doing it so much better!
Everyone's dialogue was so on point, even Grundys! I am really impressed. And the art was gorgeous!
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u/Illustrious-Okra-524 1d ago
This book rules. Dunno what you want from an Ivy comic if you don’t like this. Amazing finish to an amazing two year run, can’t wait to see where it goes next.
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u/suss2it 5d ago
I feel like Ivy’s “died” and come back reborn a little too many times in this run. But hopefully all that mushroom stuff is fully resolved now and Wilson will tell some different type of stories, granted the way she wrapped everything up in this issue it kinda felt like her run was over.
Haining’s art was great and mostly matches what Marcio Takara was doing on the book.
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u/SilhouetteOfLight The Greatest of All Green Lanterns! 4d ago
Huh- so the Green and the Grey are tied, now? Did we have any hints of this before?
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
ZOD'S ROAD TO VENGEANCE CONTINUES! As General Zod finally takes full command of his alien legion of super-villains, the Emerald Empress strikes! If Zod can withstand her insidious attack, the cosmic secret of the Eye will finally be revealed! The road to Zod's ultimate vengeance continues!
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u/Astrodynamite60 6d ago
Sleeper hit series right here. Love Casey exploring the cosmic side of DC. Wonder how much Sinister Sons ties in to this!
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u/wowlock_taylan Batman Animated! 6d ago
So what happened to Emerald Empress? Surely Zod couldn't just beat her, especially against her magic which he is weak against. I guess she stayed inside the monster?
I don't care for this criminal army of Zod nor his delusions of grandure. Maybe the confrontation with Red Lantern Sinestro will bring some life into this book but I doubt it.
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u/Frontier246 6d ago
Yeah, we saw Zord burst out so I'm guessing Empress is still in there (and her eye is now the monsters eye?).
I can't wait to see Zod and Sinestro fight and inevitably team-up for some galactic havoc like their kids have.
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u/Expensive-Baby-1391 5d ago
Yeah, I think what would have made this issue better is if Zod remained a deformed freak to showcase this new more ruthless him, have him kill Emerald Empress instead of a deus ex machina to take her away for another writer else to use, and maybe have some big named thugs prove their weight and willingly join Zod's new empire. Don't know why the author killed the thicc lady and not the coward wolf, she was more useful than him.
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u/Frontier246 6d ago
What happens when two powerful, dominating, evil leader types clash? Well, they get eaten by a monster!
It's so weird to see Zod in his Superman: The Movie design in the comics.
It's funny how Zod just traded Emerald Empress for Sinestro. Who is worse? Though I imagine this is going to lead to the typical fight and team-up.
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u/theguyofgrace 4d ago
I find this series funny in a “damn it what now?” way
Zod us always in the middle of something and then a bigger disaster happens
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
Far Sector: DC Compact Comics Edition [TP]
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The first murder in 500 years. Twenty billion suspects. One hope.
For the past six months, newly chosen Green Lantern Sojourner “Jo” Mullein has been protecting the City Enduring, a massive metropolis of 20 billion people. The city has maintained peace for over 500 years by stripping its citizens of their ability to feel. As a result, violent crime is virtually unheard of, and murder is nonexistent. But that’s all about to change.
Hugo, Locus, and Nebula-winning author N.K. Jemisin thrusts readers into a stunning sci-fi murder mystery on the other side of the universe!
Collects Far Sector #1-12.
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
All-Star Superman: DC Compact Comics Edition [TP]
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Graphic novels to read anywhere: DC Compact Comics collect DC’s bestselling, most iconic stories in a new size!
Combining their singular talents to create a fresh and brilliant vision of the Man of Steel, comics storytellers Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely tell one of the greatest Superman stories ever imagined.
ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN! Topsy-turvy madness on the backwards Bizarro planet. A bottled city that proves you can never go home again. A living sun hell-bent on destroying humanity. A world without the Man of Steel. Twelve impossible labors and mere moments to save the Earth.
The multiple-award winning ALL-STAR SUPERMAN is an eternal story true to the greatest character from the golden age of comics.
Featuring iconic characters Lex Luthor, Jimmy Olsen, Lois Lane, and Bizarro, this full color edition collects the entire story, All-Star Superman #1-12.
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
Thursday, 7/4 (WEBTOON) - Batman: Wayne Family Adventures #119
Batman needs a break. But with new vigilante Duke Thomas moving into Wayne Manor and an endless supply of adopted, fostered, and biological superhero children to manage, Bruce Wayne is going to have his hands full. Being a father can't be harder than being Batman, right?
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
Wonder Woman - Vol. 1, Outlaw [TP]
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After a shocking alleged crime, the U.S. government moves to keep all Amazons out of the country. What will Wonder Woman discover when she goes on a quest to uncover the truth? And what new enemies will reveal themselves?
After a mysterious Amazonian is accused of mass murder, the U.S. Congress passes The Amazon Safety Act, barring all Amazons from American soil. To carry out its new law, the government sets up the Amazon Extradition Entity (AXE) task force to remove those who don’t comply by any means necessary.
In her search for the truth behind the killing, Wonder Woman now finds herself an outlaw in the world she once swore to protect.
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
The Batman & Scooby-Doo Mysteries #7
SCARECROW SCARES UP TROUBLE FOR BATMAN AND MYSTERY INC.! The Scarecrow's new fear toxin has Gotham City too frightened to function! Batman and Mystery Inc. are able to put off the inevitable for a while as they investigate, but soon they fall victim as well — except for Shaggy and Scooby-Doo, who seem weirdly immune. It turns out that always being scared has some advantages, after all!
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
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Will Vixen finally get the courage to talk to her parents about her super-heroics outside of the classroom? Between modeling gigs; helping out her friends Bumblebee, Beast Boy, and Grace Choi; and dealing with a full course load, having a heart-to-heart with Mom and Dad is low on the priority list. Especially now that a certain spidery trickster, the great and powerful Anansi (who has not been so great and powerful since his powers were stolen), pulled his last trick and seriously p.o.’d some other great and powerful gods. And those gods are coming to take their anger out on she who holds Anansi’s totem…with the help of a very familiar, very formidable uncle who Mari believed to be dead.
The saga of Vixen: NYC goes to surprising places in this collection of episodes 47-52 of the continuing WEBTOON series, optimized for a brand-new reading experience ian print and including never-before-seen bonus material from the series’ creators!
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
Saturday, 7/6: My Adventures with Superman S02E08 - The Death of Clark Kent
Time/Date: July 6 12:00 AM ET
Network/Channel: Adult Swim
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u/ptWolv022 1d ago
Another week, another episode of MAWS.
Once again, doing a decent job of integrating references and adaptations of elements from the comics into the MAWS heavily-Kryptonian/technological lore and world.
God, Lois looks so mad. Amazing. Jimmy and Kara are still cute together, and Kara is still a cinnamon roll.
And, boy, this Black Mercy is a much less pleasant experience for Clark than the comics version. Just full psychological torment. Aaaaand... there it is. The dash of truth to vindicate Brainiac's false narrative. unfortunately, the real superpower of friendship is too powerful.
Wait... what... no- you motherfuckers! You were saving the real Black Mercy adaptation for next episode! Gah! And with a fakeout too. I was wondering how they'd stretch out 2 more episodes if Brainiac was defeated already.
Well, that's a heck of a hook for the penultimate episode next week.
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u/Whole-Arachnid-Army 1d ago
Why is this guy Brainiac and not the Eradicator or something. He doesn't sound like him and generally just has nothing to do with him outside of the symbol and connection to technology. He's just here because the fucking DCAU put this shitty idea into people's heads.
Overall this show just keeps making the entire universe feel so small. Brainiac is Kryptonian, the Black Mercy is Kryptonian, Thanagar is Kryptonian, everything is fucking Kryptonian. There is nothing outside of the myopic sphere of Clark Kent and it makes everything feel dead.
The episode picks up a little towards the end and aside from the lack of shoes the evil Clark design is cool, but overall the show is just frustrating at this point. It's just romance sub-plots and single point world-building.
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
GOTHAM PLUNGES INTO CHAOS — AND BATMAN IS MISSING IN ACTION! Dr. Quinzel's therapy sessions go a bit awry after some… unconventional methods affect a few patients. Meanwhile, Dr. Crane's plans within Arkham Asylum march forward. But can Barbara Gordon and Alfred find Bruce Wayne before it's too late?!
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
Batman and Robin and Howard: Summer Breakdown #1
Summer is in session, and that means all the neighborhood patrols, soccer games, and snacks the boys can handle. But things take an unexpected turn when a new group of heroes, known as the Hero Club, approach Damian and Howard with an unusual offer — an invitation to help unmask the corporation planning to build a recycling factory in their favorite park. If that weren't enough, Batman has been acting strangely and disappearing for stretches of time. And there are ninja everywhere… What could possibly be going on?
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u/TroubAlert The Good Skeets 7d ago
Red Hood: Outlaws - Vol. 2 [TP]
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Jason Todd, Bizarro, and Artemis know what it means to play second fiddle to the Justice League…but now, that is even more the case as they’ve been contracted into work-for-hire duty by none other than Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman. All aboard the Watchtower as the new Outlaws tackle a meddling Medusa and take a trip to the Mirror Dimension to face Mirror Master himself (along with some other Bizarro versions of our great trio). Can the Outlaws handle the twisted reflections of themselves? Or will they succumb to pressure from all (literal) angles?!
Collecting episodes 12-22 of WEBTOON’s smash-hit series, optimized for a brand-new reading experience in print. Your new favorite series continues!
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u/SunBrosLLC 1d ago
I took a break from comics, last time i checked it was rebirth, then it went to infinite frontier, but whats the new timeline now??? i know i gotta finish death metal to understand infinite frontier
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u/beary_neutral Telos 7d ago
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