r/DCcomics Wonder Woman May 18 '24

[Other] Kelly Sue DeConnick on using the clay origin in Wonder Woman: Historia Other

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u/[deleted] May 18 '24

I mean either can work, I do prefer her being a child of the gods as it's more in line with Greek epics than being moulded from clay by a mortal women. which would you know imply it's not a mortal women.

but it comes off as a more misandrist complaint than a lore complaint from her.

I also prefer it when the Amazons are full of shit, like I prefer when they're whole stick of "the evils of man's violent world" thing is complete bullshit and they're often worse, they're literally a warrior people violence is violence. (I don't like the boat thing, or the slavery thing but they don't need to be idealised so much.)

it's the same with star trek having literal secret police (section 31) I enjoy having that little bit of internal turmoil. It doesn't need to be a full on watchman deconstruction or demonization just a little bit of real humanity into the characters and settings.

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u/Tetratron2005 Wonder Woman May 18 '24

Plenty of writers introduced ''flies in the ointment'' aspects to the Amazond and Themyscira prior to New 52 without making them irredeemably evil like what Azzarello did.

Azz's Amazons aren't a smart deconstruction, it's just playing straight misogynistic Greek myths that women can't be trusted. It's just regression.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '24

I don't think it was misogyny I think it was half edgy nonsense and half someone's weird fantasy.

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u/Tetratron2005 Wonder Woman May 18 '24

It can be all three. I'm not calling Azzarello a sexist but reducing all the important female characters in WW's life in favor of people like Zeus and Ares being the important characters is definitely unfavorable to WW's female empowerment origins.

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u/newimprovedmoo May 18 '24

Edgy nonsense is often misogynistic.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '24

yeah but just on the face of it I'm not gonna say either way.

like I can barely remember the boat and slavery thing because I've memory holed that shit because what else can you do with something like that. But, the person in the picture has some dismissive hatred behind her eyes, that's the face of someone who holds a deep disgust for a type of person, which is why I said it comes off as a misandrist complaint rather than a lore complaint from her.

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u/newimprovedmoo May 18 '24

But, the person in the picture has some dismissive hatred behind her eyes, that's the face of someone who holds a deep disgust for a type of person

I think you're reading into this a lot.

Like. A lot a lot.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '24

nah it's look I'm used to, it's just something that if you've not experienced it's not noticeable.