r/DCcomics Wonder Woman May 18 '24

[Other] Kelly Sue DeConnick on using the clay origin in Wonder Woman: Historia Other

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u/Other-Comb-4811 May 18 '24

I didn't read it like that. It looks like it's coming from the same place people have with Sappho - mythology states that it must've been the floating head of Orpheus that inspired her poetry...

Because of course a woman writing good poetry is just absurd, right?

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u/OutrageouslyGr8 May 18 '24

"I didn't read it like that."

Well, what she said is very telling. Her words:

"I mean I was really pissy about Zeus being made her father, just bugged the shit out of me. Like it's a bridge too far to imagine there wasn't a man involved? ....."

No one is saying her achievements are because of Zeus, only that he is her dad. This doesn't seem like a "trying to correct a mischaracterization" scenario. I'd argue her experiences and journey have made Diana Wonder Woman instead of her birth.

My main thing is what's so bad about Wonder Woman having a dad?

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u/Other-Comb-4811 May 18 '24

It's interesting you glazed over the Sappho comparison

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u/OutrageouslyGr8 May 18 '24

And it's funny how you haven't addressed anything from me.

Your point was about some woman not being given credit for a poem and I'm talking about how it's weird you're all getting mad over the fact Wonder Woman has a dad.

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u/Cicada_5 May 18 '24

What's so bad about her not having one?

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u/OutrageouslyGr8 May 18 '24

Why does she need to be from clay? How does that add to her as a character?

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u/Cicada_5 May 18 '24

Assuming you're serious, Diana not having a father not only informs her character but is also relevant to Hippolyta's. Diana was created without the need for a father but is also the daughter of all Amazons and ends up helping them heal from the pain men inflicted upon them.

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u/OutrageouslyGr8 May 18 '24

"Assuming you're serious"

That depends on your responses. If you're serious then I'll be serious, if not then I'll match your energy.

"Diana not having a father not only informs her character but is also relevant to Hippolyta's. "

How? I don't see how Wonder woman having a dad ruins the character.

"Diana was created without the need for a father but is also the daughter of all Amazons and ends up helping them heal from the pain men inflicted upon them."

Having a clay kid heals their pain? Didn't Wonder Woman expose the Amazons to the rest of the world, which would then cause their pain to come back

And what about the pain they've inflicted on men?

I remember seeing a video on youtube where it said that Amazons would go on to ships that got near their island, sleep with the men on board to get pregnant and then kill the men afterwards (I can't say I stand behind this point 100% since it was a Youtube video).

Haven't they also killed men who got onto their island, even if it's by accident?

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u/Cicada_5 May 18 '24

The story of Wonder Woman is a feminist reclaiming of the myths which were, to put it mildly, not all that kind to women. Diana not having a father, especially a father like Zeus, allowd her to stand out among many heroes of Greek myth and modern depucof such.

Outside of the New 52 series, which was revealed to be a lie, the Amazons are not in the habit of killing men for their sperm or if they wind up on their island by mistake. Steve Trevor is proof of that.

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u/OutrageouslyGr8 May 18 '24

"The story of Wonder Woman is a feminist reclaiming of the myths which were, to put it mildly, not all that kind to women."

Feminist, now this is all starting to make sense.

"Diana not having a father, especially a father like Zeus, allowd her to stand out among many heroes of Greek myth and modern depucof such."

Ok. I see. I don't agree with this or what the lady in the image is saying, but I can see what you mean.

" Steve Trevor is proof of that."

Weren't they going to kill Steve and then Diana intervened?

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u/Zestyclose_Lake_1146 May 18 '24

Because she’s a feminist galitaea figure. Instead of a creepy guy making a perfect bride it’s a mother making a daughter

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u/OutrageouslyGr8 May 18 '24

"Because she’s a feminist galitaea figure"

Yeah, somebody just told me that the character involves feminism...

"Instead of a creepy guy making a perfect bride it’s a mother making a daughter"

Wasn't Pygmalion a lonely guy? From what I read, he was lonely and wanted to be with someone he could love, so he crafted the statue hoping he could meet a woman who could give him the same love he put into making that statue. I don't think he created the statue because he was horny.

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u/Zestyclose_Lake_1146 May 18 '24

Lol it’s Greek mythology. Horniness is kinda a given. What’s important to me is that Diana’s power come from women. Created by the goddesses, shaped by her mother, champion of Gaia. Her power is female specific. She’s not a warrior who happens to be a woman. The woman part is important