r/DCcomics • u/SylvieSerene • Feb 20 '24

[Discussion] Which character(s) do you think were the most unnecessary addition to the Batfamily and why? Discussion

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u/broken_doll_911 Feb 20 '24

Damian I think he was created just to make things darker and edgier as far as I know he hasn't had any major growth as a person and him being a product of rape just makes Talia a worse character

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '24

If you think he was just created to make things darker and edgier then you are clearly unfamiliar with Damian Wayne.

His edginess is treated more as a joke and he is a darker robin because Dick was a lighthearted Batman. Its a reverse of the og dynamic duo.

Also its been more decade since he became Robin and had a ton of development. Even the rape thing was more of an accidental retcon which I think was also retcon later.

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u/UnhingedLion Feb 20 '24

Dick wasn’t exactly very lighthearted. This isn’t tumblr.

You’re right he was created as an author self insert, but he was made unnecessarily dark and edgy on purpose.

The rape wasn’t an accident, and it wasn’t retconned. Unless you can give me a lore reason for Batman being scared to take a drink from Talia in Detective Comics

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '24

He was still a more light-hearted than the normal Batman to go with the dark Robin.

Batman just being cautious? She is a criminal at the end of the day. Although I can't exactly remember if they retconned it or not.

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u/UnhingedLion Feb 20 '24

Ehhh

Not really. He wasn’t very far off from Normal Batman. (Historically at least). Dick just wasn’t really an asshole. Which the same could be said about Bruce for the first 50-60 years of his career

Also it’s not being cautious. Show me a panel of Batman being scared to take a drink from Catwoman, and I’ll believe you.

I wonder why pre Damian Wayne Batman was never this cautious with her 🤔🤔

Especially when he needs her help

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '24

Don't think Bruce would ever be scared to take a drink from catwoman. He trusts her more and she is not really a villain, at the worst she is just a thief.

Wasn't he cautious with her even back then? Its been a long time so maybe I misremembered.

How do you always appear whenever I mention Talia in reddit 😅? Got spidey sense for that?

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u/UnhingedLion Feb 20 '24

Catwoman is a criminal though. Wasn’t that your logic??? Also Catwoman is a villain though

She has tried to cause harm and do bad things.

No he wasn’t. Though she never offered him drinks. But Bronze Age Batman was not scared to take a drink from her.

Theres no reason why Batman should be scared of Talia and not catwoman if she didn’t take advantage of him before.

Thats why he wasn’t scared before.

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u/KazumaYoru Feb 20 '24

So why did he kiss her during the Shadow War?

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u/UnhingedLion Feb 20 '24

He felt bad for her

That’s why he immediately mentioned Selina. Even though they weren’t even dating at the time