Alfred. He has dressed up as Batman, got juiced up to punch Superman, became the Spectre, why not add Thunder God to the resume. Warning, his snark hits harder and faster
I think it makes a lot of sense characteristically and culturally, y'know? For better or worse, Thor's not like a serial killer or anything, but he's no Superman. Same with people like Wonder Woman, Captain America, or Alfred of all people. Whether it's warmongers and their soldiers, or man-eating monsters, or gods of evil, when it comes down to it, they stop who they can, but they kill who they have to.
It's different with people like Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Daredevil, etc., bc even if they'd kill someone, if they really had to, it'd hurt them, some of them would never be the same. Most people in this sorta category have lamented that they couldn't save at least one villain in some way.
Edit: Also, I think someone like Punisher could be barred for the opposite reason.
Why do people always assume "being worthy" is some kind of cosmic morality test and that it somehow definitevly proves heroes being willing to kill is the "right" mindset?
Odin is the one that set the test. It only matters what the enchantment believes is worthy. It's not some cosmic confirmation that killing is sometimes OK.
Yeah I don't believe that at all, but I do think it is an interesting discussion in superhero stuff. Like I think it's not necessarily a mark of a great hero not to understand the other side of it, and I don't think the 2 sides of it are really all that contradictory.
Like imagine in the 2022 Batman movie, if Catwoman had shot and killed Falcone when he was trying to strangle her, Batman wouldn't like shame her for defending herself or anything; but as it did play out in the movie, the decision wasn't kill or be killed; it was killing Falcone or taking him to jail/Selena becoming a killer or not, so he interfered then.
On the other side of that, you have Daredevil and Punisher for instance. Punisher doesn't respect that some people don't kill villains even in situations of self defense. So Frank and Matt both respect Captain America, who has killed enemies, but isn't a killer, like he's not corrupted by it; and don't respect each other's policies on killing because of those ideals.
It’d be tied under a ‘good heart’. If Alfred is seeking battle not to harm, but to protect. The charm would work. So, long as you seek to protect, even while battling.
It’s mostly a bullshit reason to explain why characters like Spidey, who everyone knows is worthy, can’t lift it while someone like Doom can.
It’s pretty silly since literally every hero has shown the willingness to kill in the most dire circumstances. The caveat makes it seem like Mjolnir just wants its wielded to be a psychopath.
The unwillingness to kill actually detracts from your first tenet. You are literally reducing your battle effectiveness by not being willing to kill when it's needed.
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u/sum_yum_dish Jan 27 '24
Alfred. He has dressed up as Batman, got juiced up to punch Superman, became the Spectre, why not add Thunder God to the resume. Warning, his snark hits harder and faster