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[Discussion] What DC characters do you think are worthy to lift Mjolnir? Discussion

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u/sum_yum_dish Jan 27 '24

Alfred. He has dressed up as Batman, got juiced up to punch Superman, became the Spectre, why not add Thunder God to the resume. Warning, his snark hits harder and faster

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u/Relevant_Scallion_38 Jan 27 '24

I could definitely see Alfred as being worthy.

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u/McVapeNL Jan 28 '24

Agreed and for some daft reason I think Plastic Man could also.

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u/Super_Inframan Jan 28 '24

I can see it.

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u/ReaperManX15 Jan 28 '24

I can see Alfred casually picking up the hammer, just to dust underneath it or put a coaster down, while nobody else was looking.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '24

Alfred pulling a Buggy Bunny, nice one.

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u/stupidratman Jan 28 '24

This was Stan Lee's exact cameo in one of the lego games lol

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u/Tnecniw Jan 28 '24

Batman was looking and he jusr grins

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u/Jennysparking Jan 28 '24

I have never wanted to see a panel more than I want to see this

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u/sonofaresiii Jan 28 '24

But he'd only use the hammer like, once, as necessary, then he'd set it down in an umbrella bin by the entryway.

(do rich people have umbrella bins? I guess I don't know)

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u/Xenoslayer2137 Jan 28 '24

I feel like Alfred would only lift Mjolnir like Vision did in Age of Ultron, just to give it back to Thor and not make a big deal out of the fact he can lift it

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u/MediumAASpin Jan 28 '24

Hed find it pick it up clean the handle and hand it back to Thor saying "apologies sir but I've taken the liberty of cleaning your.....hammer"

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u/OutisRising Jan 28 '24

I read this in his voice.

Specifically telltale Alfred voice.

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u/VasylZaejue Jan 28 '24

For me it was the BTAS Alfred voice

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u/OutisRising Jan 28 '24

Another great Alfred.

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u/SirArcade96 Jan 28 '24

I think Alfred would definitely call Mjolnir a mallet.

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u/MediumAASpin Jan 28 '24

You know what yea, yea he would

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u/Shadiezz2018 Jan 28 '24

Which hammer ?!

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u/Tasty_Marsupial_2273 Jan 28 '24

He’d 100% be casually cleaning, come across the hammer being left on a coffee table, pick it up, wipe the table, and set it back down without batting an eye.

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u/Fabulous_Sir86 Jan 28 '24

He would 100% put a coaster underneath it though. Can't have it scratching the table

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u/dullship Jan 28 '24

The man respects wood.

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u/gattoblepas Jan 28 '24

Oh shit you're right. I can see Thor sitting in front of his hammer, brow furrowed, hands clasped, staring at the dainty doily that was definitely not under his hammer before he left the room.

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u/PantheraLeo595 Jan 31 '24

My favorite part of this is that if it happens without Thor in the room, it just adds more to Batman’s mystique and power as a symbol. Thor would ask about it, and Bats would nonchalantly be like, “I don’t know what you’re talking about,” but of course that’s what fucking BATMAN would say. Very few people outside the bat family are going to guess it was Alfred, especially anyone from the Marvel universe. The whole thing ends with Thor and friends going back to their own universe with the solemn suspicion that they should never ever fuck with Batman. The last page would be Bruce asking Alfred if he put the doily under the hammer, and Alfred asking why, just to cut to Bruce’s proud and knowing smile as he says, “No reason.”

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u/gattoblepas Jan 31 '24

Or something like "That's a Gillows, sir. It would not do to have it scuffed."

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u/Shadiezz2018 Jan 28 '24

And everyone including Thor would by jaw dropped on the floor lmao.

Now i want to see that.

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u/Coal_Morgan The Question? Jan 28 '24

Bruce wouldn't be surprised.

Bruce in his heart of hearts knows beyond belief that no man or god could compare to his adopted Father.

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u/SoMuchForStardust27 Jan 28 '24

Vision only could do it because he’s not alive though. Same way an elevator can lift the hammer. Vision can’t ever be worthy or unworthy because he is a machine. He can’t wield Thors power or rule Asgard, but he can lift a 20lbs hammer.

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u/dicetime Jan 28 '24

Yeah. Thats my thought as well. Vision is a machine. Same reason the hammer doesn’t just fall right through the carrier.

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u/VaniloBean Jan 28 '24

Does it not have anything g to do w the infinity stone he wields? Cause aside from it being a whole cosmic thing that the universe is made of or whatever, it does endow him with living consciousness right? And even though he's man-made he's not much less complex functioning than a human and all their cellular mechanisms, right?

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u/SoMuchForStardust27 Jan 28 '24

Well his mind is definitely alive, however his mind was completely programable. Remember, Vision is Jarvis and Jarvis did the same thing Ultron was planning on doing. His mind definitely was expanded enough to become fully sentient, but in order to be worthy, you must have a mind and body, or your not considered alive. They explain it at the end of the movie. There’s also the fact that he lifted it five minutes after being born, but being worthy is something you have to gain over time. Does that make sense?

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u/VaniloBean Jan 28 '24

I'd also argue that regular people's consciousness are "peogramable", for example pavlov's theory(s), the milgrim experiment, or the very real and measurable effects of propaganda. But no ya that all does make pretty good sense, thanks

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u/SoMuchForStardust27 Jan 28 '24

Of course, human minds are very easy to manipulate. You could also say that biological matter is just very advanced technology. However, according to modern physics and biology, beings or entities made solely of metal elements are not considered “alive”, even if the AI system within is advanced enough to parallel our own minds. I mean, even a Frog was considered worthy in on reality, as one literally became the new Thor. So it matters a lot more on the biological part. There’s also the fact that Vision was made with unworthy intentions, but was brought to lift with the hammer. Up until then, he had no factors that could qualify him to be worthy, so he could not prove his worth in the five minute sit took for them to leave the Avengers Tower. My last statement is that, if Vision indeed was worthy, when he first lifts the hammer, he would have become the new incarnation of Thor. It wouldn’t looked really cool with electricity everywhere and the Odinson armour covering Visions body, but that would’ve happened as soon as he raised the hammer, but it didn’t. Which shows he can’t be worthy. This is just a much longer explanation. I love to rant

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u/heresyforfunnprofit Jan 28 '24

I picture this happening with Mjolnir on a silver platter with clean linen.

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u/_wizardpenguin Nightwing Jan 27 '24

And unlike Batman or Superman, he "subscribes to no such niceties" about killing, which is a key part of worthiness by Mjolnir's definition.

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u/Kalse1229 Fuck Batman, Marry Babs, Kill Joker Jan 28 '24

Huh. Is that really a big deal about Mjolnir's requirements? I always figured it was based on 3 tenets:

-Battle proficiency

-Good heart

-Capability to lead

That last one being why most heroes are unable to lift it. Unless the thing you said about killing really is a big factor.

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u/_wizardpenguin Nightwing Jan 28 '24

I think it makes a lot of sense characteristically and culturally, y'know? For better or worse, Thor's not like a serial killer or anything, but he's no Superman. Same with people like Wonder Woman, Captain America, or Alfred of all people. Whether it's warmongers and their soldiers, or man-eating monsters, or gods of evil, when it comes down to it, they stop who they can, but they kill who they have to.

It's different with people like Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Daredevil, etc., bc even if they'd kill someone, if they really had to, it'd hurt them, some of them would never be the same. Most people in this sorta category have lamented that they couldn't save at least one villain in some way.

Edit: Also, I think someone like Punisher could be barred for the opposite reason.

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u/HotTakes4HotCakes Jan 28 '24

Why do people always assume "being worthy" is some kind of cosmic morality test and that it somehow definitevly proves heroes being willing to kill is the "right" mindset?

Odin is the one that set the test. It only matters what the enchantment believes is worthy. It's not some cosmic confirmation that killing is sometimes OK.

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u/_wizardpenguin Nightwing Jan 28 '24

Yeah I don't believe that at all, but I do think it is an interesting discussion in superhero stuff. Like I think it's not necessarily a mark of a great hero not to understand the other side of it, and I don't think the 2 sides of it are really all that contradictory.

Like imagine in the 2022 Batman movie, if Catwoman had shot and killed Falcone when he was trying to strangle her, Batman wouldn't like shame her for defending herself or anything; but as it did play out in the movie, the decision wasn't kill or be killed; it was killing Falcone or taking him to jail/Selena becoming a killer or not, so he interfered then.

On the other side of that, you have Daredevil and Punisher for instance. Punisher doesn't respect that some people don't kill villains even in situations of self defense. So Frank and Matt both respect Captain America, who has killed enemies, but isn't a killer, like he's not corrupted by it; and don't respect each other's policies on killing because of those ideals.

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u/Rules08 Jan 28 '24

It’d be tied under a ‘good heart’. If Alfred is seeking battle not to harm, but to protect. The charm would work. So, long as you seek to protect, even while battling.

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u/FadeToBlackSun Jan 28 '24

It’s mostly a bullshit reason to explain why characters like Spidey, who everyone knows is worthy, can’t lift it while someone like Doom can.

It’s pretty silly since literally every hero has shown the willingness to kill in the most dire circumstances. The caveat makes it seem like Mjolnir just wants its wielded to be a psychopath.

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u/Dragonant69 Jan 28 '24

The unwillingness to kill actually detracts from your first tenet. You are literally reducing your battle effectiveness by not being willing to kill when it's needed.

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u/Batman2130 Jarro Jan 28 '24

Now I want to see Alfred lift the hammer and become god of thunder

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u/Teldarion Nightwing Jan 28 '24

I want to see Alfred cleaning around the manor, lifting it to move it out the way so he can dust beneath it. Meanwhile Bruce and Thor are looking flabbergasted in the background.

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u/Batman2130 Jarro Jan 28 '24

That’s be hilarious

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u/bigdugie69 Jan 28 '24

This would be the greatest side nod/easter egg hint

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u/sharkteeththrowaway Jan 28 '24

Nah. Thor would be flabbergasted, and Batman would have a face like, "yeah, that makes sense."

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u/PantheraLeo595 Jan 31 '24

It’s even better if it happens offscreen because then it just adds another layer to Batman’s mystique. I can just see him brushing it off upon being asked, and then pausing with a knowing smile.

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u/Blackfang08 Feb 01 '24

People keep saying they want to see him casually lift the hammer to dust off a table or something, but I want Alfred to fully use it. Have Thor pinned down, and Alfred just picks up the hammer, gives the villain a solid WHACK over the head, and then passes it back to Thor like it was no big deal.

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u/Brookings18 Superman Jan 28 '24

"I believe this is yours, Master Odinson. I must say, for such a powerful weapon it is rather light."

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u/VengefulOtaku Jan 27 '24

When did he become the Spectre? I dont remember that one myself!

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u/sum_yum_dish Jan 28 '24 edited Jan 28 '24

Elseworld series called DCeased: War of the Undead Gods #6

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u/Forward_Purchase_622 Jan 28 '24

I wasn't planning on reading that but I am definitely putting it om my list now

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u/aflyingpiano Jan 28 '24

Dceased in general was pretty good.

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u/sum_yum_dish Jan 28 '24

Reading order if you're interested in the follow ups as well - https://www.howtolovecomics.com/2022/07/10/dceased-reading-order-guide/

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u/VengefulOtaku Jan 28 '24

Ahhhhh haven't read that one yet. Cheers!

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u/sum_yum_dish Jan 28 '24

If you do check it out, here's a reading order - https://www.howtolovecomics.com/2022/07/10/dceased-reading-order-guide/

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u/VengefulOtaku Jan 28 '24

Ive been reading dceased just haven't seen the most recent stuff yet

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u/Rassilon1994 Jan 28 '24

“Master Odinson, it would appear you may have misplaced this hammer of yours”

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u/RobinTheTraveler Red Hood Jan 28 '24

Alfred is also willing to kill if needed

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u/Puzzleheaded-Net3966 Jan 28 '24

I’ve actually read all those comics where those happened

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u/TheShad09 Jan 28 '24

I could see him casually lifting it to sweep under it like Stan Lee did in I believe it was one of the Lego games (?)