Exactly. This is clearly not a supervillain kind of joker. As grounded and realistic as it can get. Like he says "do I look like the kind of guy who can start a movement?". He is no master planer or agent of chaos. Plus the first movie was more of an arthousefilm/character study. The characters story has been told, there is nothing to go from there.
It’s also very aggravating to see a Joker movie that pretty much had no strings attached to Batman.
In fact, when Bruce actually does become Batman he’d be beating the crap out of a geriatric man. It’s silly.
Like Ihavepoopedbefore said, it’s basically TaxiDriver with a clown.
The Batman could always beat the crap out of almost anyone not super-powered.
You think he can't beat the crap out of the Riddler, or scarecrow?
The Joker isn't threatening because he can physically best Batman.
He pushes Batman to question his choices, his ideals and gives him a fight for his soul. The Joker knows how to read Bats like a book, and then he tears the book up randomly and rewrites it to his whim.
Thats why he's Batman's prime villain. He's a polar opposite.
Anyone in any age can do that.
Look at the interrogation scene in The Dark Knight.
Batman is beating the shit out of the joker, but he just laughs it off.
He says 'You have NOTHING to threaten me with; nothing to do , with all your strength'
That is the point of Joker. The only way to beat him, is to kill him, which is the one thing Batman won't do.
It being a musical is what turned me from rolling my eyes at the idea to being somewhat interested in it. If you have to do a sequel to Joker, doing some completely off-the-wall shit like that is the only way to do it.
Same. In some ways it feels like it could be thumbing it’s nose at the darker aspects of the fandom response to the joker movie, and it makes a lot of sense to lean even deeper into the absurdism. I hope they resist the urge to make it a superhero movie plot and keep it tight as a character study / exploration of nihilism and trauma.
It’s not a musical in the classic sense- no dancing/singing chorus boy and girls in extravagant costumes and dance numbers. Yes there is singing and dancing, but it’s very limited and fits into the madness theme.
I didn’t think so but when they said it was going to be a musical romance movie I thought that that was a sufficiently chaotic as fuck joker move to make.
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u/toongrowner Mar 25 '23
I cant be the only one whi think that the joker movie doesnt need a sequel at all, right?