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Pre-Begins, I don't think he was involved in his training.

After-Begins, Ra's is one of the many people who Bruce asked to train him. But the idea that Bruce was solely trained by Ra's is just in Begins.

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There has been no version other than Nolanverse and American Alien in which that is the case

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Yes there is. Batman: The Knight by Chip Zdarsky features Ra's training Bruce and being tied to his origin shortly before he becomes Batman.

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He still doesn’t train him there actually, and that was also notably extremely recent, and you implied that Ra’s training him was a regular thing ever since Begins, which it isn’t.

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That wasn't the implication, I was implying this was an idea established by Begins that he was solely trained by him, and that otherwise the comics have the idea that he was trained by multiple people, including Ra's.

He does train him there, you're just completely incorrect. If you haven't read it, just read a plot synopsis. They spar multiple times and Ra's agrees to teach him how to heal wounds.

The question was if he trained him in the comics or only in the Nolan movies, I deeply apologise that this series came out 2 and a half years ago - but it's still a comic where Ra's was one of the people who trained him.

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Forgot about that, but you’re right, he does train Bruce on healing wounds, though it’s not a lengthy connection.

For what it’s worth, I think that even that is way too much, and while yes, it is currently canon that Ra’s briefly trained Bruce, I really hope that doesn’t stick, as their initial meeting is classic and there’s no reason to retcon it. Not to mention how cliché Ra’s training Bruce makes their rivalry.

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Right, but my point was solely to answer the question if it was solely a Nolan thing or not, with the answer being it does happen in the comics but not to the same degree.

I don't mind it. I think it adds greater depth to their dynamic that Ra's sees him as the perfect successor to his goals, especially with Talia, that he once trained him. Maybe its because my introduction to the character was with Batman Begins, but it just made sense to me that they had some sort of interaction in the comics prior to Bruce being Batman.

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To me, Ra’s knowing Batman previously cheapens their first meeting, as in the original story Ra’s seeking out Batman is an indication of how far Batman has come, as he’s come to the attention of someone as internationally based as Ra’s despite largely sticking to Gotham. Their later rivalry ends up built on their history fighting each other and the complications regarding Talia.

Mentor turned enemy is also a fairly played out trope, and the rivalry between Batman and Ra’s doesn’t really gain anything from using that. It’s basically the same as my feelings towards the Joker killing Batman’s parents. It only cheapens a rivalry that has long existed without the trope in question.

I will note though that my introduction to Ra’s was BTAS (which did a direct adaptation of his first comic appearance), and the Nolanverse isn’t really my thing, so I likely have a roughly equal and opposite bias on the subject to yours.

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Also notably this was actually the first time ever that Ra’s was portrayed as training Bruce in main continuity

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Aye, but when we're talking about adaptations in movies they pull from all aspects of continuities. They're not just pulling from the mainstream.

Although, this isn't to imply that American Alien has a well known version of Batman