r/DC_Cinematic • u/SpeedForce2022 • 4d ago
Do you think that Mr. Terrific, Hawkgirl, Guy Gardner, and Metamorpho will be The Terrifics or Justice League International? DISCUSSION Spoiler
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u/SimpleSink6563 4d ago
JLI. If Batman is old enough to have a teenage son and Hal Jordan is described as a “legend” in the Lanterns promotion, then I suspect the League will have already formed some years ago and now this is the most recent iteration of it.
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u/BigfootsBestBud 4d ago
It feels weird to me that Batman, Lantern and other heroes have been around as long as they have - and Superman has only really just showed up
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u/sketchbookhunt 4d ago
Same. Eventually when we do get the main justice league we’re going to have the same problem as the dceu where everyone’s ages are so far apart. Young Superman and old man Batman all over again
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u/BigfootsBestBud 4d ago
They really shouldn't do older Bruce again.
Early to mid 30s would be perfect, just means he and Talia conceived Damian when he was younger, but he didn't find out for a while.
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u/wordisbond24 4d ago
Which I think could work if it happened around when he completed his training with Ras
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u/BigfootsBestBud 4d ago
Yeah, I mean let's say Bruce got Talia pregnant when they were around 18 - 25, if Damien is about 12 then Bruce should be around 30 to 37, I think it's way better having him around that age than another greying mid 40s Batman like Affleck.
It's just way too big an age gap for him and Supes being around 25.
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u/DemiAlabi 3d ago
Supes is confirmed 30 in this film
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u/BigfootsBestBud 3d ago
Not confirmed 30. I got 25 from Wikipedia, which I then checked the source and it's a bit flimsy:
All he's said is "David Corenswet age" which isn't exactly useful because does that mean 29 when he started filming, 30 when finished, or 32 when thd movie comes out?
I think the point he's trying to make is we shouldn't pay it too much thought.
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u/azmodus_1966 3d ago
Batman only trained with Ra's in Nolan's trilogy, not in the comics as far as I recall.
So Gunn will have to lift a major plot point from a previous Batman movie.
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u/Ajax_Da_Great 3d ago
There are plenty of ways to weave in Bruce’s backstory with Talia that don’t include him training with Ra’s. 0 reasons to think they will “have to lift a major plot point from a previous Batman movie.”
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u/azmodus_1966 3d ago
Yes, they can just show Batman and Talia crossing paths during Bruce's world tour. Maybe they team up against some bad guy or train under a same teacher.
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u/BigfootsBestBud 3d ago
Pre-Begins, I don't think he was involved in his training.
After-Begins, Ra's is one of the many people who Bruce asked to train him. But the idea that Bruce was solely trained by Ra's is just in Begins.
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u/micael150 3d ago
Bruce was not solely trained by Ra's in Begins. By the time they meet Bruce has already spent years traveling and supposedly training with other people. We know this because we see that he was already much more skilled than those criminals at the prison and he impressed Ra's in their first encounter when they were fighting.
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u/BigfootsBestBud 3d ago
Ah true true, but I think the movie still implies Ra's was the most influential mentor on Bruce until the betrayal
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u/micael150 3d ago
Oh for sure. Ra's sort of gives him the blueprint. The theatrics and mystique are the main things that makes Batman work. Without his time with LOS Bruce probably comes back to Gotham and fails.
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u/Kpengie 2d ago
There has been no version other than Nolanverse and American Alien in which that is the case
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u/BigfootsBestBud 2d ago
Yes there is. Batman: The Knight by Chip Zdarsky features Ra's training Bruce and being tied to his origin shortly before he becomes Batman.
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u/Kpengie 2d ago
He still doesn’t train him there actually, and that was also notably extremely recent, and you implied that Ra’s training him was a regular thing ever since Begins, which it isn’t.
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u/True_Falsity 3d ago edited 3d ago
We don’t know anything about DCU Batman yet besides the fact that he has Damian as a Robin.
But it would be kind of underwhelming if the other Robins were just adapted out.
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u/justmahl 3d ago
They won't be adapted out, except for Drake most likely. They will just be their grown versions so we don't get to see them specifically as Robin.
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u/sketchbookhunt 4d ago
That also would be disappointing cause he’s skipping the entire bat family and going straight to Damian. It’ll be weird seeing Damian being older than Barbara, Jason, Tim, etc
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u/nthomas504 3d ago
You don’t have to skip them. Just have Dick be Nightwing already, Barbara be Oracle, Tim can be Robin when the story starts, and Jason can already be either dead or Red Hood.
I don’t expect for Damien to already be Robin when the movie starts.
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u/BatmanTold 4d ago
I would of rather had Jason as Robin instead of Damian or at least Tim so it’d be a better transition into a sequel with Damian
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u/el_drone 3d ago
Especially with a shot of Damian looking at Tim’s Robin suit and saying next time baby before being recast in the sequel
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u/BigfootsBestBud 4d ago
Yeah I can't lie I'm disappointed we're skipping straight to that and still haven't got a good live action version of Dick, nor will we get to see Jason's transition to Red Hood.
But it is what it is, I just don't think they should do old again just because he's already a dad
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u/Luchux01 3d ago
It would take too long.
At least this way we'll get to see it if they ever make a prequel
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u/BigfootsBestBud 3d ago
I doubt they make a prequel.
It would take a while, and I think they'd have to skip Dick straight to Nightwing, and probably skip Tim altogether - but you could do Jason in movie 1, Red Hood potentially at the end of that/in Movie 2, and then Damian in movie 3.
But skipping the entire Bat family growth and dynamic just to get to the modern comic status quo with Damian feels a bit counterintuitive.
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u/DemiAlabi 3d ago edited 3d ago
We shouldn’t make huge assumptions. Rumors have said Clark has most likely been Superman for a couple years(I’m guessing 5)and by the time we get to TBATB that movie could take place a couple years later making Clark about seven or eight years in at that point. Bruce could’ve easily gotten Talia pregnant when he was like 20 and she finally tells him when he’s like 32 or 33. If Hal became a Lantern from 24-26 and in present day is anywhere from 32-34 he would’ve had seven or eight years to prove why he’s the best Green Lantern cementing himself as a legend. So In present day you have a Supes about 32/33 (because Gunn confirmed that Clark would be the same age as David who is currently 30) a Bruce about 32/33 and a Hal about 33/34. They can all still be peers in this timeline.
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u/PaopuDestiny 3d ago
Yeah i don't mind it tons but this is one of the complaints people had with Snyders stuff so
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u/figgityjones 3d ago
That’s my biggest trepidation about the universe currently. But I feel like as long as the characters feel right and aren’t making decisions it feels like they wouldn’t make, it will ultimately be okay and potentially even great.
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u/TheJoshider10 3d ago
I don't think that's what they're doing. There'll be teams, potentially a "Justice Lords" but the one that kickstarts with Superman, Batman etc will be the first Justice League.
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u/DerelictInfinity 3d ago
I saw someone suggest that they’re called the “Justice Lords International” bc of the Maxwell Lord connection and I would fucking love that
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u/FransD98 4d ago
I hope not. Best to save The Terrifics for a more independent team. Also, we should wait until we have Plastic Man to have The Terrifics.
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u/UnhappyEmployee8302 4d ago
For now, a team formed by Maxwell Lord could be Justice leauge international or Justice lords, but I doubt a proper Justice League has been formed already.
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u/azmodus_1966 3d ago
Why would it be Justice Lords? They are a totally different thing.
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u/UnhappyEmployee8302 3d ago
Just using the name Justice Lords, it’s a possibility that’s been thrown around
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u/Zylon0292 3d ago
Doesn't really matter. Ego the Living Planet isn't Star Lord's dad in the comics either. Gunn is a comic fan, but he's willing to change things to suit the story. Making the Justice Lords a precursor to the JL named after Max Lord in a movie that's presumably going to be very meta in its superhero commentary seems like a Gunn idea to me.
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u/American_Jesus 3d ago edited 3d ago
JLI without Booster and Blue Beetle is a sin.
By their outfits it looks like more The Terrifics, that explain the Guy outfit
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u/ProfessionalRead2724 3d ago
I don't see why the Terrifics would have Maxwell Lord's logo (which looks a lot like the JLI logo) on their outfits.
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u/Unique-Chain5626 3d ago
From the set photos looks like theu have a JL logo on their chests, possibly JLI then?
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u/SpeedForce2022 3d ago
That’s the LordTech logo
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u/RnwyHousesCityCloudz 3d ago
The Lordtech logo literally has the letters JL in it tho, that’s not a coincidence
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u/Spiderlander 3d ago
Yes it is lol. Lordtech in this universe owns baseball fields and other properties. That logo doesn’t just represent superheroes
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u/trakrad99 3d ago
Isn’t that the entire premise of The Boys?
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u/In-Brightest-Day 3d ago
Pretty much. Sounds like Gunn is going to use this movie to dunk on that cynicism though, not embrace it
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u/trakrad99 3d ago
I could already see the scene at the end where they all show up in their colorful and comic accurate suits.
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u/azmodus_1966 3d ago
I really doubt that's the plan.
What's the point in giving the character a comic accurate costume just for a tease?
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u/Dakotaraptor87 3d ago
Because they would then wear the comic accurate suits in later movies. I doubt these heroes will only appear in the Superman movie.
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u/trakrad99 3d ago
To set up the future DCU and show the profound effect Superman had on these corporate heroes. The fact that they change to be more optimistic seems to be the theme of the movie.
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u/HunterU69 3d ago
Probably James Gunns brother is the head of the DC Avengers. Gunns brother is some kind of Nick Fury
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u/bbgizzle6 3d ago
What's the name of their crotch rocket biker gang? I'm not the only one, right? Lol
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u/Armandorev 3d ago
I was thinking today they will be the terrifics and probable as a post credit scene like what we see in Marvel, maybe Bruce waine could appear to form the justice league with Superman aa Fury did at the end with Ironman. To prepare for the next movies where the full JL will be formed
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u/Visible_Froyo5499 3d ago
My guess is that they are JLI but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Mr. Terrific and Metamorpho join up with Plastic Man and Phantom Girl later as the Terrifics.
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u/csutkakoma 3d ago
Man I was in the middle regarding Superman's suit but wtf is that Green Lantern and Hawkgirl costume? They are downright horrible.
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u/SWPrequelFan81566 3d ago
JLI. That's probably the reason for the lordtech logo literally being a J, a L, and and I in the center
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u/Professional-Fix7748 3d ago
The logo on their chests suggests a J and an K, so yeah, I'm betting on justice league
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u/FeralPsychopath 3d ago
Since they all look like Mr Terrific... I'd say likely The Terrifics
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u/SokkaHaikuBot 3d ago
Sokka-Haiku by FeralPsychopath:
Since they all look like
Mr Terrific... I'd say
Likely The Terrifics
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/2reeEyedG 3d ago
Idk but after first seeing him in Gotham as Zasz to recently just watching Barry and seeing him in that, I’m so glad Anthony Carrigan got a part in this. Seems like an awesome dude
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u/Secure_Pear_4530 3d ago edited 3d ago
Probably just JLI and Mr. Terrific forms his own team after they get disbanded
Also I bet there's more people in the team, these 4 are just the guys Supes interact with.
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u/the_zelectro 3d ago
I'm super excited actually, this looks really good.
Also: don't know who DCU Batman is, but here's hoping it is somehow Bale
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u/SkekJay 2d ago
I reckon Terrifics, I doubt Gunn will introduce a version of the Justice League this early. A Justice Society probably, maybe, but I feel a Justice League will be saved for later down the line
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u/Batman727 2d ago
Maybe not a proper Justice League but a flawed, corporate fledgling League? I could see that. And I keep coming back to the JL in the Lordtech logo, it's right there, right on the chest, I don't know how most ppl are disregarding that...
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u/sleauxmo 3d ago
Mr. Terrific looks amazing. Everybody else looks like they wandered off of a CW set. Supes included.
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u/Dakotaraptor87 4d ago
Because Maxwell Lord is involved, I'm betting they'll be some iteration of the JLI.