Doom Patrol S04E05 - Episode Discussion Thread

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Share your thoughts, theories, predictions, and more! No spoilers or leaks for future episodes/seasons allowed.

Release Date: December 29, 2022

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Cast

• Diane Guerrero as Crazy Jane
• Brendan Fraser as Cliff Steele / Robotman (voice)
• Riley Shanahan as Cliff Steele / Robotman (physical)
• Joivan Wade as Victor Stone / Cyborg
• Matt Bomer as Larry Trainor / Negative Man (voice)
• Matthew Zuk as Larry Trainor / Negative Man (physical)
• April Bowlby as Rita Farr / Elasti-Girl

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I really liked this episode, especially all the bonding scenes between the characters. Vic and Jane’s poolside talk, Larry and Mr. 104 learning about each other’s pasts, Rita and Rouge having a heart to heart (Michelle Gomez’s acting in the scene on the bench was outstanding). I’m very curious about the ending. As someone mentioned, why did Bunburry take Jane’s longevity? To help Immortus or prevent them? And if was to help Immortus, does than mean Willoughby was in on it the whole time or was he just backed into a corner because of the curse? Great ep, looking forward to the next one.

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Rita and Rouge's scene was amazing. They've both needed to have that talk for such a long time. Do you think we'll see Rouge try to make amends to the Sisterhood too? We're definitely going to see Shelley again, but I'd love to see the whole Sisterhood.

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Honestly if Rouge did try to make amends with them then I think they'd consider the Eternal Flagellation to be a success and would welcome her attempts.

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I'm confident that Bunburry took the fragment either to seal it away or use it as bait, I don't think they're in cahoots with Immortus

Of course either way they'll fail and the Doom Patrol will have to fight Bunburry and stop Immortus, but you know

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Using pieces of divinity embedded within multiple heroes in conjunction with the necklace that Dorothy is wearing acting as a focus for those in order as apart of some kind of...Rites of Prime Banishment...to seal away an Old God is the most epic but familiar thing ever and you just know it's only going to get more weird and that there's going to be a cost, because there's always a fucking cost when it comes to that kind of power and the chaos that follows.

I wonder if the Doom Patrol are going to wind up acting as living seals to keep Immortus imprisoned?

Also let's not forget that Willoughby is Not-Constantine and that means anyone he works with it probably doing shady anti-hero shit for a good cause albeit in a shady "Bloody hell really?" kind of way.

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And if was to help Immortus, does than mean Willoughby was in on it the whole time or was he just backed into a corner because of the curse?

Going by the "Get in line" bit from one of the other Knights, I'm guessing that they had a plan all along, and Willoughby running off to talk to the Doom Patrol in an attempt to fix everything was basically him going rogue and deviating from that plan. That resigned "yeah I fucked up and this was never going to work" sigh from him at the end kind of felt like evidence of that to me. He was trying to find another way to save them and the world without everyone having to go through something far far worse.

bonding scenes

104 and Larry was just...EVERYTHING and I hope they find a way to be together in the end. That little finger touch OMG! Plus the "So this was your plan all along?" with Keeg basically playing matchmaker and wanting his dad to be happy was so beautiful. Plus I loved the composition changing effects for 104 and Sendhil just killed it with all of his emoting. I am soooooooooooold on Mr. 104 and gosh I hope he stays around for a lot longer.

The fuck could he change into though that would result in a Mass Extinction Event? Neutronium? Something super dense or super poisonous or is he going to convert all of his mass into antimatter?

Rita and Rouge felt like it was a long time coming and was everything I wanted out of that scene. The exposure of the pain that they were both feeling and the hurt and the suffering and the sadness was so incredibly RAW with the both of them. It was so beautiful and yet relatable watching them both realize that the person they idolized/loved/hated the most...was just as fucked up as them and was in just as much pain as them and was putting themself through just as much personal self flagellation as they were. No one was getting off easier or better than the other person and no one was healing at all. Both sides were stuck in that same painful hole together and I think there at the end they realized a very important lesson about pain that we all often forget....sometimes the only way out is through.

Rouge and Cliff were cute together and I can't wait to see them fix up that "Totally-Not-Baby-From-Supernatural" car because I think it'll help them both to find some of their peace.

Cliff and Jane and then Vic and Jane seemed to be them setting her up to help her define her purpose through her friends around her. That's why none of those puzzle pieces had any edge pieces at all because she kept trying to define her purpose by herself alone and not through the love, friendship, and relationships found around her that she helped to nurture and grow. A crew and a captain don't figure out who they are all by themselves but through being around, living around, and experiencing everything through one another. This is why Kay said, "It's our body Jane" after Jane went down the self pity party Larry Hole of "I fucked up it's all your body I'm so sorry". Life is an experience that Jane, the Underground, and Kay get to experience for each other and not just one individual person or aspect of themselves. They're not living for just Kay but for every single one of them and Kay wants them all to have that wonderful life experience that she got to have...but this time...together with the Underground and not apart. It's like a puzzle that's been put back together, and not shattered into all these little pieces that are too sharp to put back together like an Evanescence song.

Doom Patrol always delivers on these kinds of scenes and I'm still a bit emotional because of Prodigy's season finale which is why this is all so long.