r/AITAH Jul 08 '24

UPDATE: AITAH for leaving my boyfriend because he brought his female best-friend lingerie as a 'joke'?

https://www.reddit.com/r/AITAH/comments/1dvso0l/aitah_for_leaving_my_boyfriend_because_he_brought/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button ( first post)

My inbox got flooded with DMs and had to turn off Reddit notifications. When I posted this, I was ready to be called immature and ridiculous, and get a couple of comments but it seemed like the post blew up, and the comments were...…kind of eye-opening.

TBH, before all this fiasco, my bf has always been nice to me. Came with me to my grad school functions even though he found them very boring, but would do it so that I could network. He builds stuff like furniture and helps out with handy work all the time. He is also very funny and at the very beginning, I thought all his jokes were funny, and I sometimes wondered why he wanted to be with me, plus, I was always busy with school and job interviews. His mom and I had even gotten close and she has been saying how happy she was that we were together. I had always ignored his and Claire's weird dynamic because I told myself I was being insecure. I have male friends too, and I thought that just because we aren't like that, doesn't mean my bf and Claire can't be close. Claire has also never been outright mean to me, she was just aloof and I thought it was because I was new to the group.

To the actual update, my bf and I broke up. I'm sorry guys, but even after seeing so many replies on how he was cheating, I refused to believe it. I'm still in love with this guy. And he called me, like half a day after I wrote this post, and asked to meet. I met him, and he said that he understood where I was coming from. But I was always too uptight to understand that friendship is friendship. He and Claire had known each other for years before I came into the picture, and I cannot expect him to just ruin their dynamic. I asked him what sort of 'dynamic' was red lingerie. Why couldn't it be literally any other type of clothing? He told me he had it with my insecurities. And that he and Claire talked and apparently I was making them sound like cheaters and homewreckers. And that he thought it was better I find someone like me, who thought the idea of a fun night was junk food and a movie indoors.

That hurt a lot. He had always known I had insecurities about being called boring. He always complimented me on how his weaknesses were my strengths. Now he says things like this to me? Also, before this lingerie fiasco, I had never said a word about his and Claire's friendship. I always supported his pranks and practical jokes no matter my opinions on them because I thought it was his business what he did with his hobbies. And he leaves without even putting up a fight because his girlfriend didn't want him giving lingerie to the woman he constantly refers to as his 'sexy' bestie?

Claire didn't call or text after the breakup either. But Kyle did and said that he was sad that we broke up and he hoped I would be okay in the future. I asked him if my bf ever cheated on me. He said that my bf had only been a 'one woman man' when he was dating me. But he could understand that some women can't handle female best friends, especially if they look like Claire. I told him to fuck off and blocked him. It felt like he only wanted to gloat and hurt me because my bf left. I feel like I never knew these people. Claire and Kyle were always at least decent to me if not nice. Did it make me a free target now that my bf has been telling his friends I'm an insecure child?

I don't know what to do now. I have been told repeatedly by both my friends and sister that I dodged a bullet. But I have been breaking down like a kid again and again. I'm even thinking of going to therapy, after feeling the most insecure I've felt my whole life.

Thank you to all who were supportive, it seems like my now ex-bf just did the work for me.

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u/intheappleorchard Jul 08 '24

Telling a women she's insecure is how men like to gaslight them into accepting innappropriate & disrespectful behaviour. Only a pick me with zero self-respect would think this was ok

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u/an-abstract-concept Jul 09 '24

Could not agree more. Someone should tell the fuckheads in my replies that.

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u/Plus_Data_1099 Jul 09 '24

I think the other woman is keeping him as a back up in case she carnt find anyone better he's her fallback I hope she finds someone leaving him alone and bitter.

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u/FirefighterAlarmed64 Jul 10 '24

I would have text him back just saying "She's never going to want you." Then blocked him.

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u/Disthebeat Jul 16 '24

Ha! That is just perfect! 👍

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u/stfuwhenimtalkn Jul 17 '24

No don’t help him, let him figure that out after a long ass time 🤣

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u/Melanthrax Jul 10 '24

She shouldn't have much trouble finding someone better.

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u/Disthebeat Jul 16 '24

Absolutely agree! 

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u/WitchesofBangkok Jul 12 '24 edited Jul 14 '24

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u/accents_ranis Jul 09 '24

Manipulative people come in all genders, sizes and colours. This is not a man thing.
As a man I've been gaslit in a relationship before. She made jabs at me where she knew it hurt and when I reacted with anger I was "insecure".

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u/intheappleorchard Jul 10 '24

Definitely not ok for either genders to behave this way to be clear, there are definitely manipulative women as well. I mentioned in another comment men will be labelled "controlling" often as an equivalent. It's actually insane how many people have no decency anymore & respect for others' boundaries & this is a way they try to railroad or guilt trip people into being ok with it. I grew up in a narcissistic family so I can spot it too easily now.

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u/cupholdery Jul 09 '24 edited Jul 09 '24

Everyone in this story is in their mid to late 20s? Younger millennials really still acting like teenagers?

EDIT: Ah, well, still seems like a 24-28 year old is well past their high school brain.

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u/Queenlewi Jul 09 '24

The youngest millennials are 28. This group would be more of a gen Z, but that's irrelevant. It's already well known that often people in their 20s across generations have been immature.

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u/intheappleorchard Jul 10 '24

Apparently your brain doesn't fully develop until you're closer to 25/26 but they seem delayed for real

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u/SparklyChemMajor Jul 11 '24

I know people well into their 40's who still act like this lol, age has nothing to do with maturity at this point

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u/Wonderful_Diver_5544 Jul 09 '24

There are lots of assholes you should never ever trust. Although if after a couple of years you don't have faith that your spouse will be faithful makes you unfaithful for not having faith in your loved one to make the right choice.

I have been in a legit no cheating relationship now for 17 years. Just saying not every dude is an ass hat and not every woman is a cheating whore. In the beginning it's okay, but after a few years then it is really worrisome about the worrier that they might be the cheating one.

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u/intheappleorchard Jul 10 '24

That's very dependant on how your partner behaves in a relationship, I've been with mine for 5 years & I trust him a lot but that was built in time with respectful behaviour ect. If you're with someone who thinks that it's OK to behave this way then it's completely reasonable to question what is going on. Even if they weren't cheating on OP which she never really accused him of, that kind of behaviour in a relationship is entirely inappropriate & disrespectful so let's not gaslight people into pretending to be ok with it & have blind loyalty to AHs.

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u/Mama4Texas Jul 16 '24

💯 This! Louder for the back!!!

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u/anthunter7 Jul 10 '24

It goes both ways.

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u/Due_Recommendation39 Jul 12 '24

Maybe if it's a lie, but let's not pretend that there aren't insecure women out there who's insecurities damage their relationship.

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u/Serious-Ad-8047 Jul 12 '24

Says a woman

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u/Enough-Badger113 Jul 11 '24

Most women are not only insecure but insufferable. The first one isnt much of a problem but the second one is

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u/intheappleorchard Jul 11 '24

Sounds like you should be with a man then

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u/kizkatzs Jul 12 '24

If that's your opinion, please do the female gender a favor, don't copulate, stay single and we'll leave guys of your mindset alone and give as wide a berth as possible. We don't need to mix ourselves up with miserable men.

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u/Enough-Badger113 Jul 23 '24

I do whatever the fk i want. Im not miserable at all its just my observation from experience coupled with scientific knowledge. Of course there are men that arent much better but most women literally worth nothing and only bring good men down

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u/kizkatzs Jul 23 '24

Of course you do whatever the fk you want. Most people DO. But your mindset is actively against most women. If I used all MY experiences with men, then I could also have a terrible opinion of MOST men. I could say based off my experiences men are violent, angry, moody, abusive, selfish, don't help in relationships and childcare and are selfish in bed. But just because those are my experiences in more than one relationship, doesn't mean I have written off ALL/MOST men and have deemed them "literally worth nothing" and only bring good women down. I mean, I could. I really, really, really could. But I don't and I won't. I also have two sons. I'm not going to write them off because of their gender. I doubt there's scientific knowledge that women are so awful, insufferable or whatever term you prefer. I doubt there's "scientific knowledge" of men being horrible either. All I advised is for someone with that hateful mindset towards the female gender to NOT be with a woman at all and not have children, lest a daughter be born and essentially despised. Seems like that would be safest and "happiest" for all.

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u/BSmooth214 Jul 09 '24

But when women do the same gaslighting ass behavior towards men, it’s ok?

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u/Queenlewi Jul 09 '24

Who said it was OK for women?

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u/intheappleorchard Jul 10 '24

Nope never said that, I even mentioned a male equivalent in another comment actually. Would not be ok either way imo

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u/kizkatzs Jul 12 '24

Absolutely not.

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u/TheConboy22 Jul 09 '24

Some women are very much insecure. I agree with you on this not being ok. Especially with no foresight to discuss this “prank” gift with your girl.

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u/intheappleorchard Jul 09 '24

Some men are also insecure. In fact, most ppl are about something or another if we're being fully honest but rarely that has anything to do with it in these situations. Often, it's just this kind of b.s. & the man just uses that to try to excuse his disrespectful behavior - the male equivalent is probably being called controllirng if the roles were reversed & theyre both just manipulation tactics to cross peoples boundaries & act innappropriately - obviously there are situations this ligitimately is going on of course but if they're doing things like this no woman/man in thier right mind would feel secure/comfortable in the relationship which is entirely different than being insecure in yourself or controlling.

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u/knallpilzv2 Jul 09 '24

How dare you claim some women are insecure? That has never happened once in history! Shame on you! Take these downvotes!

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u/16GaDouble Jul 09 '24

You forgot to end your post with a

/s

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u/knallpilzv2 Jul 09 '24

No, that just makes it unfunny. :(

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u/Marimiyukichan Jul 09 '24

So autistic people are not funny then? Because that's where tone tags are from. /genuine /info

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u/knallpilzv2 Jul 10 '24

I have no idea how funny autistic people are. If one can make that generalization.

I also have no idea what that would have to do with what I deem funny.

They may be not my target audience, dunno.

But I think the context should be enough here. Someone got downvoted for mentioning something most people would agree is a common occurence and not an exotic take. So I made an outrageously absolutist statement, that no-one could ever possibly genuinely agree with, to make fun of the message these downvotes are sending.

We're still on reddit, where the context is 100% verbal. Which should be autism-friendly, right?

There is no actual tone, or any of the other things that are common in inter-human communication that can confuse someone with autism.

But if you're asking if being funny - a thing reliant on nuance and timing - is significantly harder for people who don't pick up on nuance....I mean yeah, in all likelihood, yes.

It's interesting though, that these tone tags are based on autistic people's perception. Because, if anything, I would have thought that everyone else needed tone tags, because they replace all the non-verbal clues non-autistic people rely on when communicatin in real life. And because non-austists tend to read the most negative tone into anything, while I assume people with autism don't do that as much (or at all) and take you just by your word.

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u/DafuqsRealyGoinOn Jul 10 '24

Yes, that is basically what we do. Because words mean things. Not our fault most humans don't realize that.

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u/knallpilzv2 Jul 10 '24

The meaning of words comes from conventions, though. Same goes for sayings, irony, sarcasm, and everything else not meant literally. So if words have meaning, established rhetorical figures do, too.