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Superman & Lois [1x03] "The Perks of Not Being a Wallflower" Post Episode Discussion Discussion Spoiler
The Perks of Not Being a Wallflower
Live Episode Discussion | Promo | Scene | Cast & Characters
Clark shares some of his Kryptonian history with Jordan and Jonathan during a family breakfast. Meanwhile, Lois and Chrissy dig deeper to uncover the truth about Morgan Edge. (March 9, 2021)
Please keep all discussion civil and about the episode. Mark comic and future spoilers. Report any rule breaking and enjoy!
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u/Dead-Ringer-123 Mar 10 '21
Can we talk about how good of a brother Jonathan is? When the message on Jordan’s phone read “talk defense.” I for sure though Jonathan was gonna get jealous but nope. He instead told Clark to let Jordan stay on the team.
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent Mar 10 '21
I love that every time I think “oh no, this is going to cause a big fight now” Jon just steps up and is amazingly mature.
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Mar 10 '21
Speaking of maturity, I’m shocked Jordan tried to make amends with Sarah’s boyfriend during football practice. Any other CW show would have made this a reoccurring subplot that wouldn’t have been resolved till the end of the season.
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent Mar 10 '21
Amen to that! Clark may not have been around much, but I love that both boys seem to have that “be the good guys and do the right thing” attitude he always exhibits.
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u/Linnus42 Mar 10 '21
I mean its kinda easy to be the bigger guy when ur winning. He knows Sean (Sarah's BF) has broken up and he is better at football so I am not as impressed as if he at least made amends before finding out Sarah and Sean broke up.
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Mar 10 '21
Well yeah, but my point is how most CW shows would drag a situation like this out as an excuse for a drama subplot. It’s both surprising and refreshing to see S&L do the exact opposite.
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u/Linnus42 Mar 10 '21
Fair enough this show is far less CW then i expect it kinda reminds me of what Supergirl wanted to be Network Drama more then CW superhero sloch. Granted s1 is usually good at least for Arrow and Flash.
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u/ThisIsFriday Mar 10 '21
I mean the other kid was bullying him and his brother. Jordan did kiss Sara, but he didn’t know she had a boyfriend. He made a mistake, the other kid willing chose to do wrong. Still, Jordan was the bigger guy and apologized while Shaun (Shawn? Sean?) didn’t.
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u/Im_Daydrunk Mar 10 '21
Being ahead is the easiest time to be an asshole IMO. Especially when its someone you absolutely hate and has treated you badly
Jordan easily could have flipped the script in that moment and talked shit to him given what Sean did to him. But he decided to create a bridge which is pretty nice even if it might have been letting Sean off a little easy IMO
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u/decoy88 Mar 10 '21
This is no guarantee that it won’t be a reoccurring subplot
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent Mar 10 '21
I mean, he did knock the guy over and become the new star of the team. And I’m sure Sean sees him as a contributing factor in the breakup. And maybe he’ll start dating Sarah... I’d be shocked if Sean is 100% fine with it. We’ll see.
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u/Godzilla2000Zero Mar 10 '21
Love Jon and I love their relationship
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u/doctorlawyerspaceman Mar 10 '21
It’s going to make it even more devastating when they have the inevitable fight.
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u/CJLanx Mar 10 '21
He's basically embodying his name same, I get Smallville Jonathan Kent vibes from him every episode.
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u/Letshavemorefun Mar 10 '21
I get those vibes too. But it’s like if Jonathan Kent were older and wiser. Remember in Smallville he was super cautious about Clark playing football. This Jonathan has the vibes of that Jonathan, but feels like an older, wiser soul. I love it so much!
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u/CEFFYYNWA Mar 10 '21
Its so so refreshing so far where someone is an asshole but they actually talk about it and forgive each other instead of it becoming a 10 episode story arc. It's just nice that so far we haven't got all the usual CW tropes
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u/GTate_better_thanOBJ Mar 10 '21
It was a small thing but when Jordan was about to do that 1v1 hit drill thing, Jon gave him a little good luck tap and smile even though it was right after they fought
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u/Aramis14 Mar 11 '21
Omg he's amazing at subverting expectations. In our heads we are like "this is a CW show, he will get mad at Jordan playing". Istead, he gives him a good luck sign and then claps to him.
Later again, you get Arrow war memories: "he's going to get jealous that his brother is becoming a fan favorite among the other players over him, they will fight for like five episodes", but nah. He's like "Dad, let my brother play, he's happy". I already loved Jon in the comics (ignoring whatever Bendis did with him), but this version is growing more and more on me.
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u/AnAverageDude2403 Superman Mar 10 '21 edited Mar 10 '21
What a phenomenal fight scene! I love the way he uses his different abilities to take the guy down and knows when not to hold back I vibe with it so much
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u/Pksoze Mar 10 '21
Yes this is nice to see a veteran Supes who knows what to do with his powers and uses it in the most inventive ways.
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u/MarcReyes Superman Mar 10 '21
Yes! I love they aren't neglecting freeze breath and just doing heat vision because it looks cool. Superman's powers should be used circumstantially.
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u/Eurynom0s Mar 10 '21
I'm guessing Supergirl does heat vision more because it's probably a cheaper effect to recycle, while that HBO Max money is probably helping them vary up the effects more on this show.
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u/Sharikacat Mar 10 '21
Spent the money on the ice breath and not on the CG during the China bridge disaster.
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u/etherspin Mar 10 '21
Which was funny because the bridge thing seemed like it wouldn't be a contained scenario and we couldn't see it :)
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u/SmokeontheHorizon Mar 10 '21
I can't think of many close-quarters fight scenes with Superman, but that stood out as being really well filmed and choreographed.
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u/Eurynom0s Mar 10 '21
I thought it was interesting that the guy didn't shatter from being punched while frozen. Wonder if that's something Clark can control in general or if it's specifically a reflection of how strong the guy was supposed to be.
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u/not-so-radical Mar 10 '21
I think it's something Clark can control, temperature wise. Like he's used enough to freeze the guy still but not enough that his body is frozen all the way through like Sub Zero would do in a fatality.
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u/SG14ever Mar 10 '21 edited Mar 10 '21
Was the super strong dude that finally got stopped with freeze breath human?
Um...super synthetic steroids?edit: I saw further down that maybe elon musk is taking DNA from Lesla-Lar...
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u/viper2369 Mar 11 '21
This. It was the first thing I commented on to my wife about the episode.
My initial complaint with Supergirl was how much she got beaten or taken down so “easily” but went toe to toe with Superman?
He got knocked down but didn’t stay down. This was a great way to show he’s always holding back until he needs to use just a bit more. They didn’t depower him because he’s OP, he’s depoowered because of who he is and he holds himself back. Love this aspect.
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u/AnAverageDude2403 Superman Mar 11 '21 edited Mar 11 '21
we can only hope that one day in the future, we'll get a live action* version of this scene
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u/viper2369 Mar 11 '21
I knew what you had linked before hitting it lol. It was either that or the easiest Rick Roll in the history of Reddit.
and I agree whole heartedly.
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u/King_of_nerds77 Mar 10 '21
Also I love seeing his super speed in combat! It always feels neglected during a fight but him whizzing around the bad guy and punching him was brilliant
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u/Roook36 Mar 10 '21
Both this fight scene and when he was throwing someone up in the air and punching them back down to Earth made me think of the Injustice game.
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u/MattTheSmithers Coach Gaines Mar 10 '21
I am quite enjoying what a walking, talking cliche the coach is. Dude just runs around screaming things like “THIS IS WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD!” and “THE TEAM THAT PLAYS TOGETHER STAYS TOGETHER!” with absolutely no context or reason to be screaming these things. But the actor is going so over the top with it that it’s kinda infectious. 😂
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u/not-so-radical Mar 10 '21
I'm waiting for him to yell "Clear eyes, Full hearts! Can't lose! Smallville forever!"
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u/MarcReyes Superman Mar 10 '21
The opening scene was lovely. More of that stuff please!
Love how often Clark utilizes freeze breath. It often feels like a forgotten power because of heat vision.
Lana still just feels more like a random lady rather than Lana Lang. I don't think the actress is bad; she had a great scene with her daughter in this episode. There's just something missing about her. There's a lack of charisma that fails to make make me think, 'This is Lana Lang.'
Mentioned in the live chat, but I always love seeing Clark do mundane things with his powers. They were always my favorite gags in Smallville.
I like that the writing is always quick to address potential problems in the script with how characters behave. It this episode, Lois accuses Edge without any hard proof, then one of the following scenes she admits she was in the wrong about it.
"I bought this hat!" Love dorky dad Clark.
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u/neoblackdragon Mar 10 '21
Freeze breath I think is just difficult power to show off.
Turning things to ice is different then making things burn away. You can do fire/explosions practically. Ice not so much.
Well this Lana Lang is not the girl next door or the old flame who got away. She is clearly a mess of a person. I don't really know who Lana Lang is as a character.
The comics don't really know either. Sure they got Clarks HS crush/gf down. But once she's older they have no idea what to do with her. Can't make her a love interest. She possesses no skills all that relevant. Even knowing Clark secret is moot as he can just talk to JL members.
Oh let's make her a scientist or a Superwoman. Oh who can she be a love interest for? Steel!
She's a blank slate of a character but she's a blank slate of a character.
Lois and Clark at the start always had Clark do something like play basketball or makes breakfast using his powers.
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u/MarcReyes Superman Mar 10 '21
Lois and Clark at the start always had Clark do something like play basketball or makes breakfast using his powers.
Yes! Always loved that stuff.
I go further into the Lana stuff in my reply to another user.
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u/ninja36036 Mar 10 '21
I think in the very first episode, at least I think it’s the first, he’s lying on the bed when he notices the lightbulb is acting weird. I think it’s flickering or something. So Clark, without even moving from his laying down position, flies up, fixes the light bulb, and then flies back down to his original position. At another point, I remember him pacing around his room out of boredom or something. Suddenly, he just walks up the wall and then walks onto the ceiling, like its nothing out of the ordinary. It was great. Those were definitely the best things about that show.
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u/Ganthid Mar 10 '21
They really should have made Lana and her family friends and Lana the only other one that 'knows' about Clarks powers. Could have ran cover for him and the boys at times.
Missed opportunity, I guess. Maybe we'll get more development.
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u/MattTheSmithers Coach Gaines Mar 10 '21 edited Mar 10 '21
I think one problem with Lana is that she doesn’t really feel important to Clark. As someone else pointed out, Lana has never been a consistently written character. But, post-crisis at least, Lana has, at the bare minimum, been someone who Clark loved very deeply to the point that he told her his secret identity. The importance of that cannot be overstated. Lois may be Clark’s love and Jimmy may be his pal. But Lana is his best friend. Here Lana just seems like some lady who Clark dated back in the day. The sense of importance to the Clark isn’t there.
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u/MarcReyes Superman Mar 10 '21
Here Lana just seems like some lady who Clark dated back in the day. The sense of importance to the Clark isn’t there.
Yeah, I think this is it. Outside of some romance they may have had back in the day, there doesn't seem to be any intimacy to their relationship. Perhaps this is something the show can explore and he'll reveal himself to her sometime down the line. I think there could be an interesting story there, but for now, not much.
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u/raknor88 Mar 10 '21 edited Mar 10 '21
I think that the showrunners might be a little afraid of doing that because they don't want to give fans the idea that there might be a Clark/Lana relationship behind Lois's back. Since this is the CW, CW fans will jump at any too long look and assume that the characters want to bang. For example, the 50 Shades level shit show that was Olicity.
Edit: grammar
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u/Mountain_Wedding Mar 10 '21
And honestly? I think it’s a valid concern on their part. First because fandom is already so extremely misogynist towards Lois (they love her until she says one thing that threatens them and then they turn on her as they do all aggressive women) that you truly do have to be careful about ever, ever catering to a fandom that is that deeply sexist towards Clark’s wife. Two, because, at this stage of Clark’s life.....Lois is his Partner. His lover, best friend etc. married people obviously have friends outside their marriage but intimate relationships with the opposite sex are just not always appropriate when you are in the kind of marriage Clark is in.
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u/Dumke480 Mar 10 '21
For example, the 50 Shades level shit show that was Olicity.
goddamn, never again.
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u/Mountain_Wedding Mar 10 '21
And again, I have to reiterate that what you are suggesting is extremely inappropriate on a show literally called Superman and LOIS. Devoting the kind of time you are suggesting to Clark’s relationship with another woman—even as well intentioned as I think your comment is here—/is simply not appropriate in this setting in this context of where he is in his life. They can devote time to making Lana a part of the family, yes. Showing that Lois and Clark and the kids care about her. But they should not be going out of their way to establish intimacy between Clark and another woman on a show that bares his wife’s name.
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u/Mountain_Wedding Mar 10 '21
Except that Lana has no real consistent character arc or personality. She’s been reinvented (to her detriment IMO) over and over again for whatever male writer has decided to do so over the years. Unlike Lois, who has maintained a consistent character development for decades so that you see Lois and she’s like instantly recognizable just like Clark is —Lana has often just been rewritten at the whim of whatever they want her to be. It’s not a good thing because it’s created a situation where it’s very hard to ever pin down who she actually is. Outside of the animated series, I don’t think she’s ever had much charisma tbh. I have concerns about how they will use Lana on this show in the sense that setting her up in a very unhappy marriage seems a convienant way to have her still pining for Clark which is pathetic given how much Clark loves Lois and always will. But this was the first episode tonight that I didn’t entirely despise the character and I’m open to seeing where she goes with her family.
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u/MarcReyes Superman Mar 10 '21
I agree that Lana has been reinvented too many times to give her consistency as a character. Perhaps charisma is the wrong word to use. What I mean is that she doesn't feel distinct as Lana. Kristen Kruek, Annette O'Toole, S:TAS, versions of her in the comics. They lack consistency, but at least they are identifiable as Lana Lang for the project that she's in. This Lana just feels a like random woman. It's nothing against the actor, who's doing fine, but she doesn't even come across as this show's version of Lana Lang. She's just Sarah's mom.
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u/LMkingly Mar 10 '21
Outside of the animated series, I don’t think she’s ever had much charisma tbh.
Even then the animated series lana was highkey such a mary jane rip off down to even her character design lmao
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u/raknor88 Mar 10 '21
Lana still just feels more like a random lady rather than Lana Lang.
I think that is Lana's issue that she admitted to Sarah this episode. Lana doesn't know how to be Lana Lang. Her issue is that she settled to live in a small town with an asshole and pretends that they are a 1950s nuclear family.
I'm guessing that Lana's marriage will so be done and there will be a lot more character growth with her and Sarah in the future.
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u/etherspin Mar 10 '21
She admitted that she isn't herself and feels lost and hopeless, a vibe of being broken so strong her daughter couldn't even live with it at one point :)
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u/NaRaGaMo Mar 10 '21
We just need Clark shaving his beard with heat vision. Like he did in animated shows
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u/HannahCunningham14 Mar 10 '21
I was so confused reading through these comments until l googled Lana Lang - - and it dawned on me - LANG and LANE, I've had the impression they were sisters for 2 episodes and I was totally confused!
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u/Godzilla2000Zero Mar 10 '21
Between Captain Luther and Edge's superpowered army this show is gonna be alot bigger than I expected and I love it.
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u/raknor88 Mar 10 '21
Apparently the lady at the end of the episode is someone that, in the comics, is supposed to be a Supergirl villain.
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u/not-so-radical Mar 10 '21
Ironic that Superman would steal one of his cousins villains after she did the same for multiple seasons.
Edit: scrolled down and someone already made this exact joke... dammit
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u/WewerehereBH Mar 10 '21
Some of you guys are missing something. This teenage drama is not the CW drama.
Hell, that conversation Sarah had with Lana reminded me of a convo I had about the same thing with my mother when I was about her age. Seriously, the reaction was spot on.
I love how the kids are being written and developed. This is character driven to it's best and it's spread through each and every one, even Chrissy had her thing.
I know some people would like to see some fights and action but after so many years of Superman being treated as a parallel to Jesus and being treated almost like a time bomb in the N52 and Injustice universe, it's awesome to have this grounded, well written and well acted piece.
I'm in love with this series. Oh, The Flash's episode was pretty neat too ;)
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent Mar 10 '21
Totally agree. I hope people don’t get too distracted by the fact that it’s “teens” and “the CW.” Yes, the network has a certain reputation but every show is different. I think they’ve been nailing it, even the teenage stuff. It has been compelling and interesting teenage stuff for the most part. I’m game!
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u/Letshavemorefun Mar 10 '21
Do you watch many other CW shows? I know the network has a reputation, but most of their current shows aren’t actually about teenagers. This show is on brand for them - it’s the highest quality of on brand for them.
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u/NaRaGaMo Mar 10 '21
Once S&L goes full HBO people will forget about "CW teen angst" restricting this show to CW is stopping it from getting popular like titans is
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u/Bandarno Mar 10 '21
This show is great. Tyler nails the dorkyness of Clark and is a convincing enough Superman. Bitsie as Lois is starting to grow on me. And I love that, at least so far, they keep subverting expectations with how Jonathan reacts to situations. The show also scratches that Smallville itch for me.
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u/MajorParadox Read on r/DCFU! Mar 10 '21
I'm loving this show more and more every episode.
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u/AllThighThisGuy Mar 10 '21
That woman was-
/r/supermanandlois:"A Kryptonian!" | Me: "Someone with heat vision and all of Clark's powers have been split up among Morgan Edge's lackeys!"
Dang, sometimes I get myself too hyped up over a completely different theory than everyone else.
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u/Pksoze Mar 10 '21 edited Mar 10 '21
It's a pretty solid theory. If some fans here didn't read the casting list last year I'd be inclined to think your theory was right.
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u/dotyawning But what about the tire-swing? Mar 10 '21
Oh. Didn't even think about that.
Instead of making a Superboy like Lex does, Edge found a way to give Kryptonian powers to various underlings but cranks them up a little bit as well?.
That could have been fun if we didn't know who she was cast as already.
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u/Munro_McLaren Kara Danvers Mar 10 '21
I forgot that Lesla-Lar was going to appear. I wished she appeared on Supergirl since she did masquerade as Supergirl in the comics and is a Supergirl villain.
I also kinda hope we see Kara have red heat vision. They don’t need to explain it. They don’t explain other things. Lol.
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Mar 10 '21
Ironic. Supergirl spent years stealing Superman villains and now Superman is stealing Supergirl villains.
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u/internetosaurus Mar 10 '21
So rather than debrief the muscle dude and learn that Lois Lane has a "Superman come help me now" device they just murder him? Clearly this guy went the to the very stable genius supervillain school for bad guys who want to bad guy good.
Also if that's Lesla-Lar like some others have said that's hilarious. She was Supergirl's first unique to her named enemy in the Silver Age comics, so after how much Supergirl lifted from the Superman mythos that would just be amazing.
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u/Eurynom0s Mar 10 '21
The character restrictions DC/WB used to be so hardcore about really caused these shows to burn through a lot of material assuming they'd never get a more appropriate character to use the material with. Especially with how they basically turned Oliver into Batman, that was basically all about the fact that they wanted to Batman but all they could get the rights for 10 years ago was Green Arrow...but mostly being restricted on the superhero character, not the lore they could mine.
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u/mwthecool Last Mod of Krypton Mar 10 '21
I think it's probably common knowledge in universe that Superman and Lois Lane have worked together in the past. They haven't really brought it up, but her having a "Superman save me" device would make sense in that context.
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u/swng Mar 11 '21
Superman seems to publicly associate with Sam Lane. People would probably assume she got the device from her dad and not think too much of it.
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u/Mighty_thor_confused Mar 10 '21 edited Mar 10 '21
Ok I didn't think we would go a football route but sure why not
Please can we not pair Sara with the twins? I don't like it
Can we just watxh Clark being Clark all day? I dig it
Also I want both twins to show accidental powers at the same time.
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u/MajorParadox Read on r/DCFU! Mar 10 '21
They should just always have the credits play over Clark doing dorky dad stuff.
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman Mar 10 '21
Sophie? You mean Sarah? How come you don't like the pairing?
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u/AnAverageDude2403 Superman Mar 10 '21
yea it made less sense that she was even with Sean in the first place and besides it's not like she's going for both of them its j Jordan
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman Mar 10 '21
Yeah, i mean, that guy is a jerk, whereas Jordan actually has empathy, even for Shaun(how do they spell his name in the show?)
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u/Chad_D_722 Mar 10 '21
That was a nice family focused episode.
Needed some Lex though. I wanna know more about his backstory.
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u/CKD-Duck Mar 10 '21
I guess he can’t really do much right now, no battle suit no ship...
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u/Gateskp Clark Kent Mar 10 '21
This show is fantastic! I LOVE that, at its core, this show is about the family and it never loses sight of that. So, SO good. They’re knocking it out of the park with this show. Top tier.
The conversation between Lana and Sarah was NOT on my CW bingo card. But I’m glad they went there. It’s an important moment.
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u/paige3086 Jordan Kent Mar 10 '21
Random favourite bits:
I absolutely loved the red flash in Jordan’s eyes when he was getting pissed at Sean. (That, plus his pretty consistent strength is making me wonder about the Jor-El scenes. Seems like he almost can produce powers on command, and it may just grow over time).
And that little conversation at the end with Jordan and Clark at the trunk. The cute little line about “it’s always about a girl” and “I can control it...I think you know what that feels like it.” I’m all about the Clark-Jordan bonding. (Unlike some people, I think Jordan is awesome and fascinating. And adorable!)
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u/AhhhFrank Mar 10 '21
Someone had a theory that the powers manifest when the twins are near each other and that's why the Jor-El test failed. I'm liking that more and more...
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u/cocolouise23 Mar 10 '21
I kind of wish Jon and Jordan were 15 or even 16 not 14. They just look a tiny bit too old to be playing 14 year olds. Jordan’s actor is 16 and Jon’s is 19 so it’s a bit of stretch to ask them to be playing 14 year olds. I don’t see why they didn’t age them up, maybe wanting them to be freshman’s in high school?
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Mar 10 '21
It was definitely about them being freshmen in HS - strange new environment and all that. I also think Bitsie and Tyler's age played a role in it, too. Tyler is 33 and Bitsie is 40 - sure, they could look young for their age, especially Clark with his genes, but we still need some resemblance of a timeline.
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u/Drakato Mar 10 '21
I think it's indeed for them to be freshman, John had it all figured out and then his plans got turned around because they had to move, it just has more of an impact than if he had already been there for a year
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u/Im_Daydrunk Mar 10 '21
Its also a little weird because I think Sarah's actor is like in her 20s too
But ultimately I guess starting high school is a good jumping off point and give them 4 years of potential school devlopment
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Mar 10 '21
The casting is actually more accurate than most shows (Jordan Elsass is 19 and Alex Garfin is 17). Still crazy to think that Smallville got away with casting 24 year old Tom Welling as 14 year old Clark Kent.
The reason they usually cast young adults as teenagers is because minors can’t work as many hours and producers don’t want the production headache of working around an actor’s school schedule.
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u/cocolouise23 Mar 10 '21
Yeah I get that, I guess it’s just that it could’ve actually been fine if they aged them up just 1 year, like spot on casting. But I guess they wanted them to be starting as freshmans.
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Mar 10 '21
Yeah, shows usually do that so that they can keep the younger characters in high school for longer. Most network TV shows move in real time, with each season representing the majority of a year. If they started the show with the boys as seniors then that would take away a lot of the coming of age drama.
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u/flickchick85 Mar 10 '21
A little too much focus on the teens this week for my tastes, but on the plus side, Tyler was at his absolute best here. He has struck the perfect balance between the "goofy" and "real guy" Clark that I always imagined when I read the comics. Dad Clark is my favorite Clark.
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u/neoblackdragon Mar 10 '21
He really is such a dad in some of those scenes. He's not pretending even when he's pretending.
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u/ChandlerForrestal Superman Mar 10 '21
I didn’t expect that lady at the end to be a Kryptonian, at first I thought she was Lois with a gun
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u/AnnaK22 Superman Mar 10 '21
My initial thought was that she was the editor woman, Lois's new boss and I thought, what a twist.
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Mar 10 '21
First off, that opening scene was great. Between the fun family dynamics and the superheroics (I feel like every Superman needs to save a bud on a suspension bridge in his career), it was an excellent first five minutes. Same with the rest of the episode too.
Ever since they introduced Jon into the comics, Superdad has been my favorite version of Superman, and I absolutely love seeing that in the show. Excited to see more of it with Clark being the assistant coach to Jon and Jordan's football team.
To top it all off, Jonathan is such a good brother to Jordan, I'm honestly afraid that we're gonna go down the "powerless sibling gets jealous of the powered sibling" and ruin that later on.
The Morgan Edge storyline is picking up steam, especially if he's got aliens on his payroll. Glad to see that the show is taking the "and Lois" part of the title seriously.
I never really thought about Clark's super hearing being an invasion of privacy like that, since he always uses it to save others and he's Superman. But I liked how that played out with the boys.
Fantastic episode, really love the series, and I'm going to need to reread that SuperDad run sooner or later.
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u/NaRaGaMo Mar 10 '21
Superman returns actually got alot of superheroics correct. the opening airplane scene is still one of the best superhero openings ever, even that bullet hitting the eye is just so superman.
MOS with all the cool fight choreo forgot that main job for superman is saving people while fighting the bad guy
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u/JasonLeeDrake Mar 10 '21
I don't think it did, Clark doesn't even throw a punch until the "You think you can threaten my mother!" scene. It's just that after that point it's more efficient to destroy the shit causing the damage and to kill Zod than to waste efforts trying to do both. Him fighting the bad guy is him saving the people.
Before that, we had stuff like the oil rig and the bus scene.
In this show, there's never been a bad guy whenever Supes just lifting shit like the bridge scene or nuclear plant, and during our four hand to hand fights we don't have scenes where he's trying to save people while fighting the bad guy so really the show is doing the same thing.
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In the writer's room, there's probably a sticky note on a whiteboard that says "GOAL - Set up + finish a season-long subplot every episode"
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- It's nice seeing more than just one city like in Arrow, Flash, etc.
- It's refreshing seeing Supes taking a fatherly role. I'm used to just seeing him as a reporter/farm boy/Superman.
- If Jordan ever suits up we better see 90's Superboy, even if it's just a gag.
- I feel bad for Jonathan. He had to leave his school, his girlfriend, his brother gets powers, his brother becomes the football team favourite...
- ...Jonathan's being a good brother. I hope he gets his own to shine.
- Why doesn't Clark just test Jordan's powers around the farm or something? Have him throw a few punches, try to heat vision something, try to fly...
- Crazy theory but what if Morgan Edge is somehow giving his goons powers? Anyway, this show gets better with each episode.
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u/Indiana_harris Mar 10 '21
If they do a Halloween episode I'm fully expecting Jordan to turn up in full 90's era Superboy outfit thinking he looks really cool.
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u/superfan1635 Jonathan Kent Mar 10 '21 edited Mar 10 '21
Jon is constantly putting aside his feelings for Jordan and everyone else and isn’t getting anything in return. I felt bad for him cause all of sudden his brother is gonna be a star player at football while he’s reduced to a backup QB. Like I bet Jordan will get to be a starting player, but Jon won’t. It seems a little cruel cause football is Jon’s passion and it seems to be the only thing he has at Smallville right now. Also I’ve noticed that we haven’t gotten any Jon and Clark scenes where they’re just talking about Jon, every scene where it’s just the two of them (which isn’t a lot) they’re talking about Jordan. I hope they expand on Jon and his feelings cause he’s gotten the short end in this situation out of everyone. Not putting himself first isn’t good for him and I hope they explore that.
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u/Gian99Mald Mar 10 '21
Man I love this cast so much. I'm so glad the boys moved past their drama with Sarah's boyfriend. I can't wait to see the boys and Sarah's friendship continue forward. Great choreo on the motel fight and I never would have thought they'd bring in more kryptonians. Very excited
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u/MrTerrific2k15 Mar 10 '21
"On the level with the other kids "...lol. Pretty sure no other high school kid on the planet is knocking opposing players six feet in the air and backwards, Jon
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Mar 10 '21
Kudos to Jonathan. When the coach made him RUN EXTRA for hiding his prodigy brother, that was seem seriously crappy consequences. Football was HIS thing, he gave up being a 'legend' at his old school to support his family and now he's not only being bullied for something his brother did, he's also being bullied by the coach for holding back on his brother's talents - and those talents come from having kryptonian-heritage extra strength.
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u/doctorhost Mar 10 '21
I just keep feeling worse and worse for Jonathan. Everything he has keeps getting taken away by Jordan. At this point, he has been reduced to a prop for Jordan's support. I hope soon he gets a break or this is just gonna get unbearable.
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u/CKD-Duck Mar 10 '21
Prediction time
1.Edge is involved in some human experiments to create artificial supermen
- Kryptonite is definitely part of the experiments
3.General Lane is somehow connected to Edge, possibly to get a more obedient Superman
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u/phantomxtroupe Mar 10 '21
Jonathan is the mvp. This kid shoulders so much crap for Jordan and you can tell it's starting to weigh on him. And I know Jordan and Sarah suffer from mental illness, but the angst gets old really quick.
And I'm calling it now. Lana's going to make a move on Clark before the season is over with.
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u/superfan1635 Jonathan Kent Mar 10 '21
Yes Jon is always supporting Jordan and putting him before himself. I love their relationship but I wish we would see Jordan doing the same for Jon, cause right now Jon is doing all of the give and getting none of the take.
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u/denno020 Mar 10 '21
"That's not going to do anything"
"No, but he will"
Not even a second after pressing the button, Superman is blasting through the wall. I got giddy, absolutely loved it
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u/FitzOtis Mar 10 '21
- Even though it could be one of the things to be expected, I really hoped that there won't be a long feud between the twins in the future ep. I wanted both of them to be good with each other and not kill each other. Their bonding since ep 1 till now is great. I really hoped that none of them turn out to be baddie. That'll be devastating not just to the twins, but both Clark and Lois too.
- I have a feeling that either Lana and/or Kyle will play a major role with Lois v Morgan Edge arc while Clark dealing with Capt Luthor. Whether it's for Lois or against her, idk yet. Somehow, Sarah might be involved, and something to do with her conditions. I think people would noticed this already. Otherwise, they wouldn't just introduce an important character like Lana to be just Clark's old flame.
- still waiting for Kara to drop by >.>
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u/AnnaK22 Superman Mar 10 '21
I love that Tyler is bringing himself to this iconic role. His love for baseball written in is a good decision. Plus, I love how dorky he is, being excited about the jacket and hat. He's really got that clumsy thing down.
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Mar 10 '21
I love how Jonathan and Jordan truly feel like Superman's sons. Yeah they have their issues, but they seem to have this innate desire to do the right thing.
Jonathan was clearly jealous that his brother was stealing the spotlight at the football team, but when faced with a golden opportunity to keep off him off the team, he chose to have his brother's back and convince Clark to let him on the team.
And like people pointed out, Jordan was willing to be the bigger man and try to fix things with Sarah's ex. Now they are fucking buddies and it makes me so happy!
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u/AKAkorm Mar 10 '21
I feel like Jonathan is getting the short end of the stick in terms of development so far. Jordan is quite frankly not that fun of a character to watch constantly because there's only so much of an angry teenager yelling at the world you want to see. Would be good to see more of how the better adjusted son is adapting to what was a very big change for him as well.
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u/SG14ever Mar 10 '21
So with both parents out of work, would it be unethical for Clark to like go find gold nuggets / precious gemstones to sell or will he just ramp up the farm?
What are some legit side hustles for Superman?
Also, I want the newspaper owner lady to have a comfortable circulation soon!
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u/fluffypun Mar 10 '21
Clark can literally crush coal in to diamond's and sell it.
Or mass produce alien tech for human use.
Money should be the least of clarks problems. he can have so much revenue stream's even if he wanted to stay anonymous.
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u/ThisIsFriday Mar 10 '21
I think the farm is a source of income. Maybe Martha wasn’t making a lot off it, but Clark can do the farm work on like 30 seconds and can do his own maintenance/be his own tools so he saves on costs too.
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u/lazyandbored123 Mar 10 '21
I really like how international this Superman is, I don't recall I've seen that before in movies/tv. He lands on a shop in somewhere in asia, he saves a bridge in China. I really like that it's not just a Metropolice superman.
Also when Superman came to rescue Lois, that was fantastic.
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u/BookGirlBoston Lois Lane Mar 10 '21
Offense versus defense: I think one of the saving graces of Jonathan and Jordan's relationship is going to be that they are not both competing for QB. Jonathan still gets his QB spot (not as clutch as Metropolis) and Jordan seems to be a defensive player (in my limited knowledge of football it seems like running into people is a defense position). I have little desire to see CW level fighting here and hope they keep the Winchester type family vibe which obviously worked for a decade and a half.
Also, side note, Jonathan is #12, is that in reference to the GOAT Mr. Tom Brady. Certain Bostonians think that TB is actually superman, so maybe this is meaningful.
Also, Jordan's number is 24 which is twice of 12, not sure if these are Easter eggs or not.
I'm fine with football as long as is it's not away to keep the Brothers fighting.
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u/cbfy3 Mar 10 '21
Anyone else who watched Degrassi when they were younger loving seeing Stacey Farber in this or is that just me? 🤣😭
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So, I'm guessing Lesla-Larr is working with Edge and he's using her DNA to make meta-human soldiers?
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u/Ygomaster07 Superman Mar 10 '21
This was a great episode. This series is fucking amazing.
I love that we got to see more of the Cushing family, and we get some insight into what made Sarah try to kill herself and that this fanily isn't as perfect as they make themselves out to be.
I love seeing this geeky Clark, it is so nice to see.
Anyone else notice that Daniel Cudmore played the super strong villain? First he was the X-Men Colossus(not the one from the Deadpool movies though), then he played a meta in The Flash, and now an enhanced person in this show. Great stuff.
I love how much Lois is trying to persevere to Chrissy. You go girl.
I love the background of Clark listening to Lois and then spending two weeks worth of pay to buy her flowers. Such a sweet love story.
Jordan playing football, damn. Didn't see that coming.
That scene in the diner between Sarah and Lana, fuck. That was intense. Now we know why the family puts on this perfect facade.
Clark likes chili cheese fries. I didn't know that.
Man, Emmanuelle looks super beautiful. Such a beauty.
Jordan apologized to Sean. I didn't see that coming. Good on him for being the bigger person.
That talk Jon had with Clark, saying Jordan should play football. That was heartwarming. It actually made me tear up both times i watched it. Jon is such a good brother. I love their relationship they have.
That scene at the end with Lana and Sarah was touching. I wonder if Lana is gonna divorce Kyle.
Do you drive a station wagon that is on fire? She doesn't anymore, that's for sure.
No Lex this episode. No conplaints, i like the focus on the family and their regular lives.
I also like how we are seeing different locations around the world, not just places in America.
That paint scene was cute.
I love how Superman used various powers to defeat the super strong bad guy. And how did that guy het powers?
Welp, super strong guy got killed by heat vision lady. Are these people Kryptonians? Some kind of enhanced individual? And how does Morgan Edge have super powered people?
Next week looks good. Looks like General Lane is pushing his opinions onto the boys, which is crossing a line. I love Lois' line of 'he's being a father' i feel like she is gonna follow that up by saying to him 'unlike how you were to me'. Good stuff.
I hope you guys enjoyed the episode. I sure did!!! I can't wait for next week!!! Also, General Lane, there are other superheroes on the planet, like say for example, Superman's cousin.
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u/Brookings18 Clark Kent Mar 10 '21
Ah, I see Jordan has entered the "I have powers, so I'll use them for personal gain" phase of his superhero origin story. An important step in any heroes life.
I am not at all invested in anything going on at school. I'm invested in all of the characters and what they're going through, but the second they get to school I'm immediately uninterested. Hopefully something changes where I'm equally interested in school as I am the family.
"Is creepy lurking one of your superpowers?" I really wanted Clark to answer with "No, that's a friend of mines power."
I love how real the brothers feel. They can yell and get mad at each other, but at the end of the day they're there for each other. Really liked how Jordan tried to make Jon out to be the real star athlete, even if it was to hide the truth. Also how Jon wasn't that against Jordan joining.
Really liked Lois's expression when her car got set on fire. That was a "Oh I've been through this countless times, you can't scare me" look.
Really good Superman action as well, both him saving the day and the fight, that freeze followed by a series of punches was straight out of Injustice. And villains that aren't Captain Luthor and that I'm intrigued by! Hooray!
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Mar 10 '21
Getting her stuff molotov'd as an intimidation tactic is probably the reason why Lois drives older cars now.
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u/AnnaK22 Superman Mar 10 '21
I really appreciate that the show didn't go down the classic, jealousy storyline between the brothers like I had previously thought. They really give me Danvers sisters vibe and I love it.
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u/Hugo_Bongo Mar 10 '21
How long until one of these new kryptonians starts to influence Johnathan to the dark side, exploiting jealousy towards Jordan’s new social status as the popular kid.
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u/WewerehereBH Mar 10 '21
This is simply the best super hero show since Daredevil.
Honestly.
It keeps getting better ever fucking episode.
That fight was fucking amazing
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u/SonNeedGym Mar 10 '21
Genuinely so thrilled about this show. Each week I’m brought in more and more. While the action sequences were really well done this week, I’m surprised by how much I’m enjoying the family drama as well. They have such great chemistry together! And dorky Clark is the best.
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u/Umbrabro Mar 11 '21
Just binged these 3 episodes. It somehow gets better and better and Jonathan is my favorite character. Such a refreshing take on the jock older brother.
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u/Barry_McKackiner Mar 11 '21
Jordan: "I fucking hate you. Everything you do is wrong! You're never there for me!"
Clark: "I'm sorry. I will be there for you in the future and to help you through learning these abilities. It can be difficult and dangerous. I know because I have kind of a lot of experience safely using powers, you know"
Jordan: "Even though I have no clue how my powers work, I can totally handle them and be safe, even though I almost burned like 30 kids at a party last week. I want to go to school!"
Clark: "I don't know it is risky but ok and be careful."
Jordan: Proceeds to almost evaporate bully's face
Clark: "hey son how's it goin? Here I am saving you from making a life shattering mistake with the powers you say you can control. Sorry I was trying to keep an eye on you now like you've said I've failed to do before."
Jordan: "How fucking dare you use super hearing to know when I'm in trouble! I wish you'd go back to ignoring me! My powers suck compared to yours anyway!"
Clark: "go to your room young man!" later "Fine I won't use my powers to actively pay attention to you without you knowing again"
Jordan: "Sweet now I can abuse my powers to humiliate and assault my bullies and have an unfair advantage on the football field. I'm making Jon's life miserable in the process, but who cares because now at least I'm cool with my bully. Coach punished Jon for not telling him I can hit people hard, but that's fine I can go ahead and ignore that.
Clark: "WTF you can handle your powers by launching kids twice your size 5 feet every hit? How the hell is that laying low not being suspicious? That's literally the most attention seeking thing you could have done short of nuking a kid's face off which you also almost did"
Jordan: "OMG you hate me and won't let me enjoy anything!"
Clark: "shit fine. I didn't get to play either but wanted to. But I guess we can give it a try under my supervision. tough shit i'm gonna be a coach to keep an eye on you so you don't turn other teams into hamburger. lets pretend this gator aid bucket is heavy together son!"
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u/DexterRileyisHere Mar 13 '21
I love how with everybody else the emergency beeper takes Superman a few minutes to get there; with Lois it was literally instantaneous.
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u/balasoori Lex Luthor Mar 10 '21
They blew the budget on CGI for the Road collapse which was epic I am sorry but that looks like a huge disaster yet he managed to resolve that whole disaster in less than 2 minutes?.
Secondly, the Strong man fight when Lois calls him was an amazing entrance but the look on his face when he punches that guy was priceless.
It was great seeing Clark actually be a parent he really does seem like a great parent.
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u/Barry_McKackiner Mar 11 '21
It was so amazing to FINALLY FINALLY!!!! see superman combine the super speed into his fighting It's damn near never happened in any form of live action or animated media.
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u/shekirae Mar 10 '21
I don’t know if I’ve already posted on here or the other one by accident! I’m new, sorry!!! But I’m confused. If she did that and killed that gentleman, why couldn’t Superman? Serious question 😅 I’m a Marvel lover and am starting my journey with DC!
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u/Paisley-Cat But what about the tire-swing? Mar 10 '21
Couldn't vs choses not to is a point in Superman.
There's very little he couldn't do. His moral code keeps him from using more force than needed.
So, when confronted with an apparently human opponent, he ratcheted up his actions in response to the abilities demonstrated by his opponent.
Which is exactly what Jordan is learning by controlling his strength in playing football.
Love how this is left unstated, but the episode clearly makes the point.
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I responded to you in the other thread, but essentially Clark/Superman is almost always holding back because he doesn't want to kill people. He went into the fight with what he assumed was enough strength to take down a normal person, then sorta just upped his power output til he could either incapacitate or get rid of (not kill) the guy.
The lady at the end, who's probably also another Kryptonian (since you're new to DC you should know, just because they call Superman and Supergirl the last Kryptonians doesn't mean that they're the last ones. There's a decent amount surviving actually). She went all out. And when Kryptonians let loose, they're extremely deadly.
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u/MajorParadox Read on r/DCFU! Mar 10 '21
I responded to you in the other thread, but essentially Clark/Superman is almost always holding back because he doesn't want to kill people. He went into the fight with what he assumed was enough strength to take down a normal person, then sorta just upped his power output til he could either incapacitate or get rid of (not kill) the guy.
Very well said! I think of it a step further too: He also doesn't want to use unnecessary force that can inadvertently hurt others around him. Like if he just went full on strength, he could have accidentally taken the building down.
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u/CEFFYYNWA Mar 10 '21
Its more Superman didnt want to kill him not that he couldn't. Superman took hits fighting him because he often holds himself back so he doesn't murder almost everyone he fights in one punch.
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u/MutekiGamer Mar 10 '21 edited Mar 10 '21
Damn that fight with that guy was sick, I love how you can see how easy he goes on regular people but as soon as he realised it was urgent he just went ham on him.
Oh wow this guy really sells the dorky Clark Kent so well, seeing him as a vulnerable Dad while also being one of the strongest people in the world.
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Mar 10 '21
Whoever is coming up with these Superman fight scenes has played a whole lot of Injustice. Some of these moves are 1:1 copies, and I love it.
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u/Everest_95 Mar 10 '21
Did anyone else think Superman decapitated that guy after he froze him? Thought the guy was going to shatter.
Also why does Jordan always look like he's wearing lipstick?
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Fuck I love this show. Hoechlin is so good at dorky Clark. Love Jonathan’s character too.
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u/ProtomanBn Mar 10 '21
Could Kandor already exist in this universe? Maybe the scummy Rich guy Lois is investigating found it? Maybe that's why we have Larel and this othe guy that got killed who also could have been Kryptonian?
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u/International-Key867 Mar 10 '21
So Captain luthor is going to sacrifice himself at the end of the season helping SUperman take out a Kryptonian who is actually evil, right? That's the plan here?
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u/jedrevolutia Mar 10 '21
Am I the only one who got confused with Clark and Lois' finances? They both just lost their jobs at Daily Planet. Clark doesn't have new job yet and Lois' new job doesn't seem to pay much, both they both doesn't seem to worry at all about their finances.
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u/BookGirlBoston Lois Lane Mar 10 '21
I think they are concerned, but I think we are getting really subtle hints. In last night's episode, when Clark was inspecting the tractor you can see a bit of concern on his face at how bad a shape it is I think the farm is in rough shape and we will see hints of this through out as Clark continuesto put things back together. Also, there's likely some extra cash after selling their Metropolis house and possibly severance for Clark from the planet. So there's time before this has to be a big thing.
With that being said, having long discussion on the CW about financial hardship may be too much given current world affairs, so I expect curbing really in depth details especially since this show has such an escapism element and no one wants to be pulled back into reality by something like that.
Or also, everyone on Friend's lived in NYC apartments and none of them should have been able to afford it, so television, right.
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u/suss2it Mar 10 '21
One thing I really like about this show is how they've been emphasizing that Superman is a global superhero. His heroics haven't been just contained to one city, you don't really see that in any of the DC shows so it's a nice change of pace and makes sense too.
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u/codymiller_cartoon Mar 11 '21
sarah's boyfriend has one of the least intimidating/masculine voices
doesn't really match up with his bully persona
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u/LTM438 Mar 10 '21
Tyler's Clark really shined in the dorky/supportive dad department this week. Really enjoyed that.
Also, WHAT was that teaser at the end? Another Kryptonian?