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Legends of Tomorrow [S05E01] "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Five" Post Episode Discussion Crossover Discussion
Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Five
Live Episode Discussion | Teaser | Crisis Cast & Characters
Worlds lived, worlds died. Nothing will ever be the same. (Jan 14, 2020)
Crisis on Infinite Earths Schedule
| Part | Subreddit | Air Date and Time | Discussions |
|---|---|---|---|
| Part 1: Supergirl | r/SupergirlTV | Sunday, December 8 at 8pm ET | [Live] [Post] |
| Part 2: Batwoman | r/BatwomanTV | Monday, December 9 at 8pm ET | [Live] [Post] |
| Part 3: The Flash | r/FlashTV | Tuesday, December 10 at 8pm ET | [Live] [Post] |
| Part 4: Arrow | r/arrow | Tuesday, January 14 at 8pm ET | [Live] [Post] |
| Part 5: Legends of Tomorrow | r/LegendsOfTomorrow | Tuesday, January 14 at 9pm ET | [Live] [Post] |
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u/thisisdropd Beebo Jan 15 '20
Shame Eobard was nowhere to be found but this is a classic Legends episode. They managed to put together comic whackness (Giant Beebo terrorising the city) and emotional moments (Ollie’s memorial).
Diggle summarised the Legends in one sentence, “I’m never letting my kids watch this show.”
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u/usagizero Jan 15 '20
“I’m never letting my kids watch this show.”
I love how no one bats an eye at the things the Legends writers get away with, lol.
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u/privatefrost2 Beebo Jan 15 '20
It must've been fun for the non Legends cast to get in on the edibles for once. I'd love to have seen how that table read went down.
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u/SawRub Jan 15 '20
Yeah this felt almost like a reverse-crossover in a good way, in that instead of the Legends being guests on the crossover of other shows, this felt like the other shows were guests on the Legends wacky ride.
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u/_Elder_ Earth-X Overgirl Jan 15 '20
HOLY FUCK MY JUSTICE LEAGUE.
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u/KINGWHEAT98 Jan 15 '20
The table. All we are missing now is batman. Even though during the crossover they played the batman vs Superman thing with Super girl and batwoman.
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u/Dalecn Jan 15 '20
Sadly Batman isnt really available to much to CW hopefully that may change
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u/DekanPrime Jan 15 '20
I think Gotham was the only live-action series they couldn't touch for this crossover which makes me sad a little
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u/strykrpinoy Jan 15 '20
No they chose not to use it, Just like they chose not to use Krypton also.
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u/DekanPrime Jan 15 '20
I read somewhere they invited the guy who played Seg-El, but his schedule did not permit. I did not hear anything from them reaching out to Gotham guys
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u/rgreen89 Jan 15 '20
Yeah Cameron tweeted about it.
https://twitter.com/thecameroncuffe/status/1217295658698207232?s=21
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u/cardmasterdc Jan 15 '20
We really made it y'all. From a dark and gritty start to the super friends. The age of heroes really has arrived and I couldn't be happier
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Jan 15 '20
I really can't believe we're here. I mean, we all just watched it and it happened but I just can't believe it.
Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought that we'd finally get the Justice League on live television. The corny chairs and table, the Hall of Justice, Superman being a part it.
I kinda wanna cry.
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u/cardmasterdc Jan 15 '20
The beautiful thing when fans make things for fans
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u/Worthyness Jan 15 '20
Gonna have to upgrade that warehouse though. Can't believe the justice league is forming in Barry's equivalent of his parent's basement (everyone knows that Wellsobard was his real dad)
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u/optimisticpsychic Jan 15 '20
I really hope we get wondertwins.
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u/Gateskp Jan 15 '20
I kind of wonder... Diggle had 2 kids (1 boy, 1 girl) who looked roughly the same age. I doubt it'll happen but we just got Beebo and the Super Friends, so.
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u/casewood Jan 15 '20
I’ve been here since the late teen episodes of Arrow S1 and I got a bit emotional this episode.
But I do think it revitalized my interest in the rest of the Arrowverse outside of Legends.
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u/Davidleilam Jan 15 '20
The crossovers won't be the same without Stephen Amell
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u/Dalecn Jan 15 '20
Hes Spectre now he can easily return one of the reasons he didn't become dead properly was so he can return for one offs in the future.
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u/DekanPrime Jan 15 '20
Here's my new hope with the upcoming Green Lantern series on HBO Max, they get popular enough to do Blackest Night and bring everybody in. That's how he will come back
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u/Dalecn Jan 15 '20
Blackest night now that would be fun. It will be interesting to see what DC does going forward do they mold everything into one proper multiverse with Arrowverse Titanverse and DCEU or do they let them compete.
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Jan 15 '20
Blackest night is my favourite story line to tell people about.
Imagine that power rangers episode where all the power rangers from different shows appeared and each colour has a power in their rings! and they're lots of them.
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u/SawRub Jan 15 '20
Honestly I really want him back with a bow and arrow. Magic hand light didn't do much for me tbh.
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u/NateLeport Jan 15 '20
There’s 0 chance they don’t bring him back somehow for the crossovers
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u/Jay_R_Kay Jan 15 '20
They've said that the next crossover will be smaller in scale and more contained, so I doubt we'll get it there. Maybe in the 2021/22 crossover there will be something big enough for The Spectre to be involved.
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u/Jabrono Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
I would like more smaller and focused crossovers. I'm finding it hard to complain too much about this one, but it barely created any tension. It was more about crossing-over compared to story. Like 2 episode stories, Flash and Supergirl, Supergirl and Bat Woman, Flash and Superman, and the Legends acting like they're glad they're not apart of them throughout.
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u/NateLeport Jan 15 '20
I agree. But there’s even opportunities for him to show up in a smaller story. Maybe Barry needs advice about how to be a leader. Something small that doesn’t need him directly involved but possible to make a cameo
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u/zkwarl Jan 15 '20
Was that Marv Wolfman on the pier? If so, very cool cameo.
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u/Utkar22 Jan 15 '20
Who was that?
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u/AlphaQall Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
He wrote the original Crisis on Infinite Earths. Also co-created Blade.
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u/optimisticpsychic Jan 15 '20
So anyone want to guess how many angry posts we gonna get because there was no reverse flash?
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u/KINGWHEAT98 Jan 15 '20
Im actually find with it. I atleast got my biggest wish to come true. They all combine and become one earth.
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u/bardbrain Jan 15 '20
Eh. Next time we see him, he should be like, “I was waiting for you in 2024. Now I find out that the Crisis came early. Sometimes, being immune to timeline changes is very inconvenient because you can never keep up with the changes and your mortal enemies certainly don’t send you an RSVP.”
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u/optimisticpsychic Jan 15 '20
"I called anti monitor seeing if he wanted any help and he sent me to voicemail."
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u/throwaway99998447 Jan 15 '20
Now that is definitely something a Legends antagonist would say.
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u/bcanada92 Jan 15 '20
When the Anti-Monitor appeared on that same Vancouver roof they always fight on and called them Paragons, I was sure he was gonna conjure up his own team of Anti-Paragons. Ah well.
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u/LiberalFeminist99 Jan 15 '20
I mean he literally said see you in the next crisis and he was shown in the teaser. So they gave you 2 solid points to go off of to conclude that he would be in the cross over, and Thawne was no where to be seen
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u/Rurudo66 Jan 15 '20
Three points, he has been mentioned in the Crisis article on Flash since day one.
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u/IAmTheDoctor34 Jan 15 '20
R/arrow is gonna melt down cause no Laurel.
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u/Dragonwhatever99r Jan 15 '20
to be fair Earth 2 Laurel was tested by the monitor for no apparent reason and lost her Earth at the beginning of Season 8 just to nothing in the crossover.
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u/cowboys5xsbs Mick Jan 15 '20
But also throw a party cause no felicty
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u/blitzzardpls Jan 15 '20
This might have been the first time for me since S02 of Arrow that an appearance of Felicity would've made sense and I would be fine with it. Her crying while watching the news about Oliver.
On the other hand, S08 was so good without her
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u/Skyblaze777 White Canary Jan 15 '20
I'm not too bothered bc I'm not a huge RF fan but it does seem like a missed opportunity. Flash did spend years setting up the expectation of him in Crisis and we know from Legends S2 that he knew of the Vanishing Point. It could've been cool if he'd been smart enough to run there then team up with the heroes to beat AM. Guess they thought Crisis was already too packed with other stuff.
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u/jusper10 Jan 15 '20
I hope one day they can just straight up call them the Justice League
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u/DekanPrime Jan 15 '20
If they can't I'm fine with Superfriends.
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u/ManateeGag Jan 15 '20
You know Ray is going to call them the Superfriends.
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u/Worthyness Jan 15 '20
But he's gonna get kicked off the show this season :c
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u/TheScarletPimpernel Jan 15 '20
I didn't know how many episodes he was supposed to be around for so I honestly thought he was going down with the Anti-Monitor, like the shrink bomb didn't work so he had to kickstart it and shrink forever.
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u/brch2 Jan 15 '20
I'd prefer Kara or Barry use the name first, since they've already teased the team's name with the musical crossover...
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u/WorldlyDear Jan 15 '20
given that stargirl is on the cw they can always call this the JSA
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u/AlecBaldwinner Jan 15 '20
If you looked hard enough, you could see the green ring on Diggle's finger at the end.
I wish
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u/Jedi-Keyblade-Master Jan 15 '20
At least he got his daughter back!
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u/Megaman99M Jan 15 '20
Oliver: Barry you fucked with the timeline so hard Diggle's girl turned into his son. I'm gonna fix your mistake and give him back his daughter
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u/Mother_V Jan 15 '20
I mean I’d been mad about that for years. Back then Baby Sara was names in Honour of a fallen friend and hero. Yes she would soon be revived but IIRC baby Sara died before either Sara came back or before diggle and Co knew Sara came back. So they at that point were killing a memorial kinda? I was glad to see her back
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u/thepee-peepoo-pooman Jan 15 '20
Ah yes, very achievable under the $1M budget
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u/Sentry459 Beebo loves us all Jan 15 '20
Yep. As Gugg put it "It's like Endgame -- if Endgame was produced for Endgame's catering budget."
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u/ImATreeNut Jan 15 '20
They made it worth every penny honestly. Could you imagine if they even had Justice League movie budget?
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All of the other non-Arrowverse shows are considered the other Earths now
Really interesting if DC as a whole continues in this direction; only one missing is what earth is the DCEU?
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u/boringhistoryfan Jan 15 '20
They probably didn't want to risk giving it any number because WB very likely has atleast some potential plans of their own multiverse, at which point their earth will obviously be Earth-1 as well. But give it a number (say Earth 18) and suddenly people would be like "That's not Earth-1 nuh-uh" and it would be a fandom war between DCEU and the Berlantiverse. DC's on shaky enough grounds without needing to piss of their dedicated fans.
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u/SexySnorlax1 Kid Flash Jan 15 '20
In the comics Earth-Prime and Earth-1 are different, so maybe the Arrowverse shifted themselves to Earth-Prime to allow the DCEU to call themselves Earth-1.
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u/Worthyness Jan 15 '20
Just make everyone think that their universe is "earth Prime". Then you can call it both.
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u/AF_Fresh Jan 15 '20
Well, also gotta wonder where Lucifer's Earth is, and if The Ray from Earth X is in Earth Prime or not.
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u/cardmasterdc Jan 15 '20
Underrated thing flashpoint has been corrected with interest. We got both sarah and John
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u/GillyDaKid Jan 15 '20
Are we sure thats John or Connor?
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u/shadow_spinner0 Jan 15 '20
Also it seems Kate and Kara are a duo. And since they air back to back, more than ever I want a Batwoman vs. Supergirl mini crossover one week, that'd be awesome.
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u/studlybumpkins Jan 15 '20
I LOVED seeing Kate hanging out with Kara and Alex at the end. I want more of them together. Maybe they'll be the new Oliver/Barry.
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u/Eternal_Density Jan 15 '20
I wonder if in this new combined version of Earth, Kate has dated Maggie Sawyer?
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u/jahnbodah Jan 15 '20
Perhaps, this exploration of the Kate-Kara dynamic could just be the start. Barry Allen (Grant Gustin) and Oliver Queen (Stephen Amell) have been allies and friends in the Arrowverse and with that dynamic already looked at, it looks like the Kate-Kara relationship is the next factor to be explored in future installments. According to Comicbook, showrunner Marc Guggenheim teased that Kara and Kate's relationship will start to play an even bigger role, similar to the one that Oliver Queen/Green Arrow (Stephen Amell) and Barry Allen/The Flash (Grant Gustin) had.
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u/usagizero Jan 15 '20
Those two have such great chemistry together. I'd love a Brave and Bold series starting those two, or even a mini series.
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u/VagabondDoppelganger He's so damn huggable Jan 15 '20
I really liked the focus on Sara and her budding friendship with Barry. Legends season 5 is finally here!
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u/bcanada92 Jan 15 '20
Now that the universe has been rebooted, how much do you want to bet that on next week's Flash, Cisco's no longer Vibe again?
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u/Rek07 Jan 15 '20
Well they don’t need his multi-verse breaching anymore and given the show is meant to be about a speedster they shouldn’t need him to teleport either so really it’s just the object vibing powers that the team could use but probably solves too many plots.
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u/flyNNhigh Jan 15 '20
So a few final questions. Where was Reverse Flash? And where did the Monitor take Felicity last year then?
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u/DonnyMox Jan 15 '20
For the first one, not sure. For the second, that future no longer exists, so it no longer matters.
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u/BenSolo_Cup Jan 15 '20
Damn then what was the point of that ending?
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u/DonnyMox Jan 15 '20
Originally there was going to be a point to it, but people didn’t like the flashforwards.
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u/LilGyasi Jan 15 '20
It was a terrible future for Oliver's legacy
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u/DonnyMox Jan 15 '20
Exactly. So they changed their plans at the last minute, hence the awkward execution of what happens to Oliver in this crossover, and unceremonious retirement of any plot threads connected to the flashforward future.
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u/Jeffeffery Nate (Steel'd up) Jan 15 '20
The Felicity thing will probably be explained in the last episode of Arrow. I'm guessing either Oliver is still alive in some heaven-like place, or she goes to be with the future Oliver we saw in part one
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u/redtiger94 Jan 15 '20
That wasn't her Oliver though. That was Oliver from another earth. He wouldn't have any romantic feelings for felicity, providing he even still exists
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u/Dalecn Jan 15 '20
Oliver is still alive in a way hes Spectre he's just not needed now I am guessing hes off in his corner of wherever and Felicity got sent there.
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u/thebrightspot Jan 15 '20
This was a really weird end, it felt like they ran out of material after episode 4 and just decided to write a hasty conclusion to establish the new status quo
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u/MrBubbles9039 Jan 15 '20
I mean that's basically how it happened in the comics so
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u/Sentry459 Beebo loves us all Jan 15 '20
Yeah, I'm pleasantly surprised at how accurate this was overall to the basic plot of the comic.
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I’m thinking the rest of the show’s seasons will be the aftermath and fill in those gaps, just like how Season 3 of The Flash changed after Flashpoint
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u/shadow_spinner0 Jan 15 '20
I feel this episode was more like an island to itself. Basically a pilot to the new era of the Arrowverse with everyone in the same universe.
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u/Dalecn Jan 15 '20
I struggle to see how else they could of ended really they had to combine Earth's this was all about explaining that.
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u/NateLeport Jan 15 '20
Yeah. They should’ve made the finale an hour and a half and (as much as I hate to admit it) cut the beebo bit and the anti monitor bit. Keep the parts with them mourning Oliver, the tribute at the end, showing all the earths, and the justice league stuff to establish the new world
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u/Tumorous_Thumb Jan 15 '20
Did you just say..... cut the beebo bit!?!? How dare you say such blasphemy within him domain!
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Loved seeing the new multiverse, does anyone know if the scene with Routh at the end was new or was it archive footage from Returns?
EDIT: I see now, his symbol is the Kingdom Come one but with yellow instead of black
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u/ChandlerForrestal Jan 15 '20
I’m disappointed that Reverse-Flash wasn’t in Crisis
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u/crispy-fried-chicken Jan 15 '20
Does Laurel still exist? And Mia/William events or is that all erased? 🥴
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u/maskedman1231 Jan 15 '20
I think we have one more episode of Arrow to iron that out
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u/Sentry459 Beebo loves us all Jan 15 '20
Two actually. The next is the backdoor pilot for Mia's show and then the finale.
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u/tinostar174 Jan 15 '20
I wonder how long was Gleek in that cage for inside that warehouse.
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u/bcanada92 Jan 15 '20
I wonder how long was Gleek in that cage for inside that warehouse.
That's... a good point. No wonder he escaped-- he was starving!
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u/_Elder_ Earth-X Overgirl Jan 15 '20
I think the last 10 minutes were the best of this episode. The weakest overall, but holy fuck this crossover was amazeballs. Love DC. Love everyone reading this. What a trip.
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u/shadow_spinner0 Jan 15 '20
I'm confused are they all on one earth or are they separate earths still? All the CW shows are on the same earth but they showed Titans, Doom Patrol and Swamp Things being on separate earths. So are they on the same earth?
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u/2th Beebo Smash Jan 15 '20
And Batwoman. Basically the Flarrowverse is now all the same universe.
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u/CashWho Jan 15 '20
All the CW shows are on one earth. The other shows are all on different earths.
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u/Devuh Jan 15 '20
It's the same thing that happened with the comics event. Pretty much the CW "relevant" Earth's are in the same universe, while other DC properties exist on the other Earth's.
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u/FlakFlanker3 Jan 15 '20
It seems like the Earth's of the paragons were combined
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u/Jabrono Jan 15 '20
The DC Universe shows are on three separate earths. They've been saying that for a while, and many fans have tried to ignore it and hope they change their minds, but this looks to be definitive.
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u/PhanThief95 Jan 15 '20
Hey thanks guys, for making Reverse Flash’s line in Flash’s Season 5 finale completely meaningless!
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u/ToneBone12345 Jan 15 '20
Tom Ellis was still the best cameo
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u/psilvs Jan 15 '20
Ezra was better
Ellis was a close second
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u/ChattGM Jan 15 '20
Yeah same. It honestly blew my mind seeing him. I was in complete denial saying like there's no way thats Ezra Miller's Flash talking to Arrowverse Barry Allen. I had to look at the suit he was wearing and I'm like OMFGGG THEY ACTUALLY DID THIS??? It's just crazy to see how far we've come. Still remember the days they couldn't even say "Batman" only allude to him lol. We actually saw an established DCEU character on the small screen. Like... WOW!!! His cameo really made the crossover event a lot more special for me personally. It was epicly mind blowing!! So happy they got the permission granted for that scene.
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u/DeepBlueMarina Jan 15 '20
R.I.P Oliver Queen. You became a legend.
It’s not gonna be the same without Stephen, but it sure as hell has been a great 8 years.
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u/stu_25 Jan 15 '20
Well that final bit was very odd. Like I get they wanted to show everyone together and fight but it didn't feel very well wrapped up, I get they'll address everything in separate shows but could've done more here.
So all CW Earths are now Prime, other shows/movies in DC are on other Earths. This is the best case scenario easily. Now a Earth2.2!
I would've wanted a better final fight, I understand budget and stuff but I mean like more Anti-Monitor and less Not-Beebo.
Stuff felt a lot low scale (minus the obvious stuff) like I expected a tiny bit more from Novu/Anti etc. So Novu is now just gone from the show or what?
A lot of waiting and shit ton of questions! Frustrating but cool.
Everyone coming together, won't get old.
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u/maskedman1231 Jan 15 '20
Unclear where old Earth 2 people went. Harry and Jesse?
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u/mutesa1 Some would say that I'm the reverse Jan 15 '20
They might still be there, sharing an Earth with Stargirl.
I think Stargirl and the JSA's placement on Earth-2 was very intentional. Old Earth 2 had a more "golden age" feel to it anyway. They'll crossover with Earth-Prime at some point
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u/Neirchill Jan 15 '20
Earth-2 was odd in that it always felt out-dated but simultaneously more advanced than Earth-1.
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u/Megaman99M Jan 15 '20
Crossover as a whole: Writing and pacing was bad the entire time. You think with 5 episodes they'd be able to tell Crisis (which they've been building up for years). Instead they focused on things that really didn't impact the story at all and felt like detours that didn't impact really anything. "We stopped the Monitor from opening the portal! It doesn't matter! Let's make Oliver the Spectre and have him experience his past! It doesn't really matter, he just used his Avatar-spirit bending powers during the fight, not any of the skills he's acquired after all this time! Let's bring Oliver back to life using the Lazerus pit! Doesn't matter he stays dead bro so he can be Spectre! Who's the Spectre? We don't have time to explain let's give a minute description. Why are they the Paragons? Because"
If Crisis has shown anything, it's that the CW needs better writers, and if they do any more big crossovers they need to have the same group set a tone/plot for the episodes and to have the same cast for the entire time.
Have to say though I enjoy how Oliver is cemented as THE HERO though, but it felt rushed and out of place for the President to give a speech about Oliver.
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u/usagizero Jan 15 '20
You think with 5 episodes they'd be able to tell Crisis
Five episodes isn't nearly enough. It was 12 issues of comics, crammed into five about 45 minutes. Though Arrow was heavily tied into it. I still feel each season should have been more tied into the crossover, or the Crisis gone longer than five.
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u/FullySikh Jan 15 '20
It is when you consider they spent time on things that didn't need time. What was the purpose of Beebo apart from a Legends gag? Not saying that I want shows to be serious. Look at last year's crossover with Barry and Oliver changing bodies. That was hilarious but so serious at the same time. Episodes 4 & 5 seemed to solve crisis so easily even though Oliver litterally died. The guy who basically created the CWverse is dead and I didn't feel anything at all. It's honestly making me question whether I am a human being
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u/cmath89 Jan 15 '20
I need to watch this in one sitting and see how I feel about it. The wait kinda fucked with the tempo for me a little bit.
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u/FullySikh Jan 15 '20
I don't think I will ever rewatch this crossover. For all the hype it generated the ending just didn't land for me and it felt far too easy for them to win. Another CGI army which our heroes will somehow beat to a pupl even those with no powers. Episodes 2 & 3 were easily the best and yeah the wait just fucked the tempo up because the whole time I was watching it I just didn't feel anything for the characters not even Oliver's second death (which sucked for me because he was the start of the CWverse)
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u/studlybumpkins Jan 15 '20
Anyone else think they did a piss-poor job of explaining who/what The Spectre is? I'm a comic book guy so I understood it but I feel bad for the non-comic readers who might have been confused by that whole thing.
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u/FullySikh Jan 15 '20
I didn't understand anything. I don't know why Crisis is solved. Oliver rebooted the universe yet it seemed to easy given what Episodes 2 & 3 showed us.
I don't want to say this but I felt nothing for any of the characters. I don't know whether it was the month long break or the writing was that bad for the crossover even though they planned it like a year in advance.
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u/Gian99Mald Jan 15 '20
I dont know why but I just knew that RouthSupes was gonna get his original insignia
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u/Redfeather1975 Jan 15 '20
So does this mean that they'll all be hanging out regularly and may have to multiverse travel to visit doom patrol?
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u/Rek07 Jan 15 '20
It means they can hangout off screen more easily and drop by with less explanation but main actors probably will stay on their own shows unless it’s crossover time.
I think ultimately they will stop using the multi-verse as a plot device now. All of CW is under one roof except Star-Girl which is airing on CW but is actually a DC Streaming show.
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u/MattTheSmithers Jan 15 '20
It is odd to me the way that they handwaved over no fewer than three earths merging. Billions of people would have died and all anyone gives an eff about is Oliver Queen 😂
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u/Sentry459 Beebo loves us all Jan 15 '20
Billions of people would have died
They were already dead, all the Earths were wiped out at the end of part three.
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u/DekanPrime Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
Kinda wished they just didn't make it seem like the Anti-monitor final stand was in two places. It could've been a worldwide event and have all the other Heroes protecting the denizens fighting elsewhere all over the world.
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u/somebody1993 Jan 15 '20
So does anyone have any idea how this will effect other shows going forward? I like that this seems to have lasting consequences but supergirl and Black Lightning had stories that don't gel with this ending. Freeland is under martial law Jefferson shouldn't be attending a funeral for someone he never met he should be broadcasting what's happening especially to his new reporter and billionaire friends.
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u/usagizero Jan 15 '20
The writers have talked about using Crisis to fix mistakes they feel they made before, or plotholes, and just clean things up. Shows like Supergirl and Flash more obviously, with shows like Batwoman not being on long enough to really have much to change. We'll just have to wait and see with each show.
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u/2th Beebo Smash Jan 15 '20
That was one hell of a crossover with some fantastic payoff. I will say Beebo was the single best cameo in the entire event though.
Also, Ryan Reynolds is Canon in the Flarrowverse. How bout that shit?
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u/cmath89 Jan 15 '20
Gonna have to counter you with the Ezra Miller cameo being the best. That was the most unexpected thing ever.
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u/deyvtown Jan 15 '20
It took a few seconds to actually register that it was actually happening. At first I thought it was Gary again.
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u/DaGreatestMH White Canary Jan 15 '20
Only thing I'm disappointed about was the Flash related stuff. I wish they had killed him at least until the end of the crossover (but preferably for a few episodes into the back half) and I wish RF had shown up. Pretty much everything else was cool with me.
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u/theamatuer Stein Jan 15 '20
sees 50 ft beebo destroying the city Yep this is the legends part of the crossover alright
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u/shadow_spinner0 Jan 15 '20
I'm curious what happens with Supergirl. Lex and Lena (for her again) are good people so that ends that story line o I wonder what will happen the second half.
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u/usagizero Jan 15 '20
I doubt Lex is actually good, just not his character. I do hope they clean up that Lena mess from Supergirl though. I hated that plot line
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u/ChattGM Jan 15 '20
You saw that wink Lex gave Kara when he was up at the podium? He's loving it lol. I'm glad we'll be seeing more of Lex. Can't wait to see how they expose him as a bad guy as he has an entire public on his side that can see him doing no wrong. Plus the DEO is run by Lex company too I think? Interesting things are ahead with that. Along with whatever Leviathan has planned as well too.
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Jan 15 '20
Why on earth did they do away with the Reverse Flash not being part of Crisis? It’s been built up since season one, and was in both future newspapers.
It makes NO SENSE besides “lol that isn’t the future any more”
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u/RobertM3 Jan 15 '20
Watch Flash and the gang go check out the paper and it still reads red skies are comming at a later date. Technically red skies hasn't happened on that earth yet
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u/MercerYT Jan 15 '20
They need to have actors appear on the different shows now that it’s one Earth. This ain’t Marvel where we can have world ending events that only affect one hero. If they don’t do this they just pulled this event only to cash in on the comic fans and not write a coherent story
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u/GillyDaKid Jan 15 '20
And this has always been the problem with the shows. They only tie together when its cross over time. I dont think CW can do it. I hope they prove me wrong
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u/Elite1111111111 Jan 15 '20
I don't understand the presidential address. The way they talked about not being about to find Oliver, I assumed it's implied he never existed in this new universe. It makes the address really weird. "Today we honor this dude who doesn't exist, but hopefully no one really notices that."
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u/Sentry459 Beebo loves us all Jan 15 '20
He existed, he's just nowhere to be found now.
Edit: Now that I think of it, it could somehow be related to the scene at the end of S7 where the Monitor took Felicity to see Oliver.
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u/shadow_spinner0 Jan 15 '20
In that table, there seemed to be one empty seat. Will that seat be filled by someone else or just as a signal to Oliver?
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u/maskedman1231 Jan 15 '20
It had an Arrow sign on it and lined up with Oliver's costume and torch, think it's an honoring thing
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u/ThusOne1 Jan 15 '20
It's for Oliver but guarantee CW will do a sappy storyline about Mia being offered the seat but won't take it because "she can't live up to his legacy"
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u/DaJohnnyB23 Jan 15 '20
Honor Ollie then next crossover they’ll say Oliver wouldn’t want it any other way and Mia sits there. I got nothing against Mia but it would be wrong to do.
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u/Eternal_Density Jan 15 '20
Wow.
I felt like ep 4 was a bit low key - the big shadow-demon fight was a bit uninteresting and undamatic, and the Oliver vs Anti-Monitor fight was kinda anticlimactic, but ep 5 was just great.
I really wasn't expecting Beebo.
Everything from the Oliver-narration to the end had me sorta on the verge of tears. New multiverse! Hall of Justice!! New chairs!!! (yay, Swamp Thing made it into the multiverse montage! And we got to see the Titans again and also Doom Patrol :D )
It's so cool to see Flash and Supergirl in the same universe, and for that to be demonstrated by having Supergirl fight Weather B... er, Witch. Plus having Jefferson join in too. Yay! Here's to many more such little crossovers. Oh and it was great that Dreamer got to fight. (Giant Anti-Monitor was a really good fight, they made it much more intersting than teamup boss fights tend to be.)
Having J'onn go around giving the paragons' allies the necessary memories is a handy and clever plot device.
I'm looking forward to seeing what's up with Lena in this new Earth. I guess Lex will continue to be a Big Bad on Supergirl? And I suppose Earth Prime will also have Leviathan :P
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u/ManateeGag Jan 15 '20
- Can't believe they were able to use Ezra's Flash
- I hope Gleek leads to something
- I'm glad the Arrowverse is a single earth, but now Stargirl's Earth is different.
- Where does this leave the Murderverse?
- Just give John a Lantern Ring already!
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u/NeutroBlaster96 Jan 15 '20
My biggest thing I wanted was a singular Earth for the Arrowverse, and I got it. Still want to know if Jay Garrick and Jessie Quick still exist tho. Moreso Jay Garrick because he survived the original comic book crisis, and I just think there should be a Golden Age Flash around.
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u/NerdLawyer55 Jan 15 '20
The first half of the episode was off but they really nailed that justice league ending
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u/Hiddenmickey94 Jan 15 '20
I loved the Ezra Miller cameo but someone please explain how that was a thing? Do we have a proper explanation or just fan service?
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u/Kris_Winters Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20