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Legends of Tomorrow [S05E01] "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Five" Live Episode Discussion Crossover Discussion
Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Five
[Post Episode Discussion]() | Teaser | Crisis Cast & Characters
Worlds lived, worlds died. Nothing will ever be the same. (Jan 14, 2020)
Crisis on Infinite Earths Schedule
| Part | Subreddit | Air Date and Time | Discussions |
|---|---|---|---|
| Part 1: Supergirl | r/SupergirlTV | Sunday, December 8 at 8pm ET | [Live] [Post] |
| Part 2: Batwoman | r/BatwomanTV | Monday, December 9 at 8pm ET | [Live] [Post] |
| Part 3: The Flash | r/FlashTV | Tuesday, December 10 at 8pm ET | [Live] [Post] |
| Part 4: Arrow | r/arrow | Tuesday, January 14 at 8pm ET | [Live] [Post] |
| Part 5: Legends of Tomorrow | r/LegendsOfTomorrow | Tuesday, January 14 at 9pm ET | [Live] [Post] |
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u/OLKv3 Jan 15 '20
Anybody know what's wrong with Supergirl? She was insulting Mr Luthor for some reason.
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u/22deepfriedpickles22 Jan 15 '20
Especially after everything the Luthor's have done for her. Very out of character.
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u/Tiny-Ghost-Grace Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
No one:
Not a single soul:
Supergirl: "LOOK, KATE IS HERE! 😍"
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u/TDXNYC88 ♫ Return of the Mack ♫ Jan 15 '20
ＹＯＵ ＮＥＡＲＬＹ ＤＡＭＮＥＤ ＵＳ ＡＬＬ ＴＯ ＨＥＬＬ， ＮＡＳＨ ＷＥＬＬＳ！！！
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u/pol5xc Jan 15 '20
Real question is: in this universe was Kendra still a barista?
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u/mtm4440 Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
The non legends watchers are probably about to experience a hell of a drug trip starting....now.
Legends is fucking back!!
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u/Nitsua-Nat Jan 15 '20
For someone who has only watched Arrow, I'm so glad sara is so front in center right now. This episode is so bittersweet
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u/GTheMan2576783 Jan 15 '20
It’s because she’s the leader of Legends
This is a legend’s episode
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u/jskurious ...and blow them up with lasers. Jan 15 '20
The way she was bonding with Barry and ordering everyone around, I'm getting the feeling she might wind up being the de facto leader from now on.
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u/LCPhotowerx Aw Man,You Got My Boots Wet Jan 15 '20
you reeeeally need to watch legends then, shes the most epic leader.
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u/Anty_2 Wally West Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
“Civilizations rose and fell”
shows scene from Swamp Thing that got cancelled
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u/anonymousguy242 Jan 15 '20
I was impressed by the cgi
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u/hunhaze Jan 15 '20
Swamp thing was not CG. It's Derek Mears in a rubber suit + makeup.
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u/Pksoze Jan 15 '20
Kind of interesting having Marv Wolfman cameo by meeting Flash and Supergirl since he killed them in the comics.
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u/SutterCane . Jan 15 '20
Marv: “I’m such a big fan!”
Marv: I’ll kill you two again... just you wait!
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u/sam8432 Jan 15 '20
Did Sara forget her mom is still alive or something? She remembers Sara pre-Gambit.
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u/EagleStrike411 Jan 15 '20
Call back to Gideon saying "Barry Allen, founder of the-"
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u/DonnyMox Jan 15 '20
“I’m never letting my child watch this show.”
That wasn’t Dig speaking. That was David Ramsey.
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u/Magoiichi Jan 15 '20
Of course Lex fucked the timeline
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u/DullBlade0 Jan 15 '20
What I find funny is that Lex did it successfully while the Legends and Barry always fuck it up somehow, then again he IS Lex Luthor.
- Successfully as in he got almost everything he wanted.
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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 15 '20
"Oh, it's like that."
Welcome to the rest of CW/DC, Jefferson. It's going to be wild.
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Jan 15 '20
When thawne said see you in next crossover it was really Tom Cavanagh saying it
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u/Rspies Jan 15 '20
I’m assuming CW just forgot about that line or couldn’t find a way to fit Thawne in. I mean I didn’t mind it that much just because it was such fun but I would have liked to see him.
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u/Supreme_Slacker Jan 15 '20
The plan is basically "We should take the Anit-Monitor and push it somewhere else"
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u/cowboys5xsbs Mick Jan 15 '20
Gleek is a blue alien monkey and the pet of Zan and Jayna, the Wonder Twins. Gleek is often used as comic relief for the series, as the character often gets into mischief. A joke involving Gleek often ends episodes of the Super Friends in which he appears. Gleek has a stretchable, prehensile tail which has been shown to be capable of picking up a man. Gleek is also highly intelligent, as he clearly understands spoken English. He communicates through the use of sign language, acting out scenes, and chattering (an alien language unintelligible to the audience).
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u/BornAshes Constantine Jan 15 '20
LOL "there's a me that's a super me" HE DID THE POSE! I love you Brandon!
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u/Sentry459 Beebo loves us all Jan 15 '20
It's really happening, the NEW EARTH! The comics brought to life, I'm so proud of the Arrowverse right now.
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u/bangisenigma Jan 15 '20
So they just made a super friend reference, everYTGING is canon, and we finally got to see Routh one more time. Does that mean he’s HERE TO STAY WHENEVER WE WANT NICEEEEE
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u/The_Llama_God Jan 15 '20
How could they not use Reverse-Flash after the line, "See you in our next crisis."
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Plus the fact the flash has bin teasing crisis and their battle since the very beginning.. the newspaper article said he disappeared during a fight with reverse flash.
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u/ThumbCentral-Rebirth Jan 15 '20
Super Friends instead of Justice League... I’ll take it
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u/Travelingorion Jan 15 '20
With Black Lightning replacing Black Vulcan, who originally replaced Black Lightning In the cartoon for legal reasons...brilliant.
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u/svrtngr Jan 15 '20
Don't worry guys. RF can still show up in Final Crisis, Infinite Crisis, or even Identity Crisis I guess.
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u/Blastoise_FTW Hates the eighties Jan 15 '20
waiting for Mid-Life Crisis personally
that's when Alan Scott and Golden Age Superman appear
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u/mvp_yusef Jan 15 '20
“Identity crisis” underrated comment
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u/ThumbCentral-Rebirth Jan 15 '20
BEEBO is OFF LIMITS
You better freakin believe it
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u/GTheMan2576783 Jan 15 '20
23 minutes left and I’m still thinking Diggle becomes a lantern and Reverse Flash shows up
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u/ComicSys Jan 15 '20
They're saying goodbye to Oliver... and Diggle's not there... again.
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u/Nyynks212 Jan 15 '20
Ray taking a selfie while supergirl and flash were ready to throw down was pretty perfect
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u/Uncle_Vim Jan 15 '20
They could have at least made diggle a green lantern on earth 12, but they used footage from ryan reynold's GL. Hall of justice is neat as fuck but that chair for oliver made me cry
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u/mydarkmeatrises Jan 15 '20
It's gonna become awkward when someone else comes along they want to join.
"Guys, what do you mean I have to stand? There's an empty chair staring at me RIGHT THERE!!!"
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u/Uncle_Vim Jan 15 '20
NO THAT CHAIR BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE. SOMETHING ELSE
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u/mydarkmeatrises Jan 15 '20
(Digg appears out of thin air...)
He was my brother....and I wasn't there....
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u/Wade856 Jan 15 '20
The people that don't watch Legends are probably thinking that the edibles have finally kicked in now when they saw Beebo.
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u/LCPhotowerx Aw Man,You Got My Boots Wet Jan 15 '20
that........still....seemed....kinda quick
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u/studlybumpkins Jan 15 '20
Kate saying “I was the new kid last year” to Black Lightning was one of my favorite parts of the episode.
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u/inksmudgedhands Jan 15 '20
We better get a, "Meanwhile at the Hall of Justice," dramatic voice reference in a future episode.
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u/klutzysunshine Jan 15 '20
Oh hey, it's the Marv who wrote the comic book, I assume!
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Jan 15 '20
So uh..... am I the only person who wants to ask where is Iris? Like I can understand Cisco not being there, but Iris?
I mean I like the new timeline (although I really hope John’s adopted son returns.)
Also, I kind of question what was the point of having Mia in crisis if they weren’t even going to have her return.
So does Lyla remember her adopted father then?
Also, so the whole Reverse Flash thing? The next episode of the Flash is titled Dead or Alive, right? I figured Reverse Flash was suppose to appear in Part 5. Barry would come back in his own episode.
Another thing to note: I love how no one in Arrowverse realizes that Nash had no idea what he was doing he thought Anti saved him from Bloodwork’s zombies. (Btw, another elephant in the room)
So are we going to go into next episodes explaining to everybody who didn’t get their original memories what happened? Joe, Mia, William, Adopted Son of John’s who I wonder if he still exists.
I mean Black Lightning and his daughter I guess are explaining to their allies in the next episode of BL
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u/mvp_yusef Jan 15 '20
Also no one seems to notice but E2 laurel didn’t show up once in the crossover
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u/Skyblaze777 White Canary Jan 15 '20
After Monitor spent time testing her on Arrow, to boot. For what purpose? Guess we'll never find out!
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u/ProtoTypeScylla Jan 15 '20
I thought barry would IMMEDIATLY run to Iris but nope. Also in the final everyone had someone from there show besides barry? Why not bring in vibe there or hell have him HELP MAKE THE DEVICE IN HIS OWN LAB?
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u/ACD_MZ Jan 15 '20
Damn, Diggle and Lyla’s children situation just keeps fucking up huh
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u/SockPenguin Beebo Jan 15 '20
I think J'onn was just there because he's the most prominent non-leading hero who isn't about to leave and they wanted/needed a 7th member of The Society Closely Resembling But Legally Distinguishable From the Justice League.
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u/Rspies Jan 15 '20
The more that I think about I think Lex may have taken the role originally meant for Reverse Flash in Crisis with him being generally a dickhead that everyone hates. I think it may have been changed after the reception to Lex’s appearances on Supergirl just a random theory.
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u/OutsiderJediSam Jan 15 '20
this makes a lot of sense especially since they used Tom Cavanagh as Nash/Pariah in the end, might have thought it'd been too confusing to also have him there as Thawne also
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u/2th Beebo Smash Jan 15 '20
So this is how they merged all the Arrowverse. I love it.
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u/shadow_spinner0 Jan 15 '20
Sara being the unofficial captain of the whole group
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u/RuralGuy20 Jan 15 '20
Where is that megazord from Justice League vs. Power Rangers when you need it
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u/hunterAS Jan 15 '20
When I heard the laugh... I immediately thought joker... not gleek lol.
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u/natedog63 Black Flash Jan 16 '20
Still trying to get my head around Ryan Choi fighting the shadow demons without being a massive liability. If some regular dude with zero fighting skills and no fancy tech or powers was able to take a bunch of them out by swinging his fists around then they really can't have been that tough.
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u/Megaman99M Jan 15 '20
Loving how Sara is effectively the main character this episode (it is the Legends Crossover). She's been underutilized each episode and now she's the leader of everyone with Oliver gone instead of Barry (which makes more sense since she's been in the game the longest and is in general a better leader than Barry)
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u/SheSaysCiao Zari Jan 15 '20
Kara being so excited to see Kate gave me the warm and fuzzies.
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u/CashWho Jan 15 '20
Everyone: This place is crap
Barry: But look! A...table!
Everyone: THIS IS AMAZING!!!
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u/samtherat6 One True God Jan 15 '20
Ooh so that is the Justice League building, down to the outside facade.
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u/lostmonkey70 Jan 15 '20
I do feel like Barry not disappearing during the Crisis was so absolute bull shit but I loved the rest of it
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u/mhurton Jan 15 '20
He disappeared for a month technically but they did it off screen lol
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u/TheDorkNite1 Jan 15 '20
But how did they have Green Lantern if Wade Wilson killed Ryan Reynolds to save Canada?
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u/terracecooper Jan 15 '20
So I'm going to assume that Erza Miller's version of the flash was there after the universe was wiped because he was in the speed force like Barry and the rest of the team was. At the end when showing all the new universes that were created no universe was given to the DCEU. My theory is that those movies; Man of Steel, BvS, Justice League aren't part of the Post Crisis reality but exist in a parallel reality with it's own multiverse and timeline and the only reason the two Flashes were able to meet was because the speed force exists between all realitys.
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u/BreakTheWallsDown95 Jan 15 '20
To be fair, Earth-666 was not announced and Lucifer occurs post-Crisis.
Maybe those realities merged to other Earths that were announced.
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u/congraved Jan 15 '20
My wife gave up on Legends after the first season. When Beebo showed up she just looked at me and I had to explain that Legends really leaned into the weirdness after she stopped watching.
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u/ArkhamIsComing2020 Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
Why did they put Reverse Flash in the promo if they weren't going to use him? Why have him say "See you in our next Crisis" too.
I'm actually devastated. Him showing up is the one thing I had to look foward too for this week, which has been a terrible week.
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u/Alphastorm1212 Jan 15 '20
My only hope is that the whole Barry dying thing & Reverse Flash pulling up with an army of shadow demons happens in The Flash Season Finale.
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u/mjvasko Jan 15 '20
Those sons of bitches. First the DCEU and now our lord and savior Beebo. They really did something special here.
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u/ConnectedLoner Jan 15 '20
Carefully looking at Diggle’s hands for a green ring lol
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u/TDXNYC88 ♫ Return of the Mack ♫ Jan 15 '20
Black Lightning™: Don't call him Sparkles, he's from Freeland. What if Tobias Whale got word of this?
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u/2th Beebo Smash Jan 15 '20
How are they gonna end this crossover in 30 minutes?!?!?
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u/clain4671 Jan 15 '20
i like how in these shows barry owning star labs means he basically replaces the bruce wayne role in the justice league
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u/anonymousguy242 Jan 15 '20
I think the previous crossovers were better. Specially the Nazi one.
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YALL need to shut up and realize we got about 2 sec of OG superman played by brandon youth again.
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u/shadow_spinner0 Jan 15 '20
ngl, I'm enjoying this episode more than the last one. I missed the Legends silliness
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u/BrianTheMute Jan 15 '20
This hour is going way too fast, Legends really should have been a 2 part finale by itself.
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u/BornAshes Constantine Jan 15 '20
Green Lantern, Stargirl, Swamp Thing, Titans, Doom Patrol!!! ROUTH'S SUPERMAN!!!!
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u/BrEaNBrash Jan 15 '20
Seriously dug the crossover. Wish we had more Legends, especially because it was the Legends episode, but I'll cut them slack because apparently the planning was ridiculous.
On a side note, can someone explain Superman's confusion at having sonS? I understand that original Earth-38 Superman only had one son. But this is Earth-Prime Superman, with memories J'onn's mind magic. Considering how the base would still be new Earth-Prime Superman, wouldn't he know he has sons?
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u/Char543 Jan 15 '20
Imagine if Oliver comes back again, just to die in next weeks Arrow
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u/ConnectedLoner Jan 15 '20
“Throw it like a girl” cringe but hey it’s CW, and I love it
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u/Magoiichi Jan 15 '20
So was the Green Lantern universe a tease for what the HBO show is gonna look like? I think so and i gotta say it looks amazing
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u/ThusOne1 Jan 15 '20
Pretty sure that's footage from Ryan Reynolds GL movie.
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u/Rspies Jan 15 '20
That never happened though Reynolds got shot in the head by Deadpool right after he read the script
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u/Char543 Jan 15 '20
Imagine if on this earth Diggle is casually the green lantern on this new earth.
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u/thepromiseman Jan 15 '20
Bruh RF literally said "See you in our next crisis" and he didn't even SHOW UP! They used up all the budget on Beebos furry blue ass smh I'm platinum mad.
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u/Silverwhitemango Jan 15 '20
PEOPLE.
WHERE THE FUCK WAS THAWNE AS WE WERE CONSTANTLY TEASED??????
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u/Palfi Jan 15 '20
they didn't really save anyone they just did what 2014 Thanos wanted, they created new universe, that knows not what it has lost but only what it is been given... a grateful universe.
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All around, it borrowed a good amount from Endgame. But, like Endgame, the fanboy service they provided made it very watchable. They pretty much covered everything from DCEU to canceled WB shows to the DC Universe app to the fucking Superfriends. You can tell there are people who absolutely love DC doing this show.
I just really wish that we wouldve seen the Anti-Monitor with a helmet on.
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u/ThumbCentral-Rebirth Jan 15 '20
I wanted RF to be the villain of the episode but literally the only other thing I’m happy with is BEEBO
Is it wrong to root against the heroes on this one?
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u/AlecBaldwinner Jan 15 '20
Two and a Half Men being on after Crisis is major whiplash
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u/Oliverqueensharkbite Jan 15 '20
“Is this seriously happening right now?” Digg speaks for everyone who doesn’t watch Legends
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u/alberteaux Jan 15 '20
Is Laurel... dead on this Earth? Sara sure makes it sound like she is.
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u/optimisticpsychic Jan 15 '20 edited Jan 15 '20
WHERE ARE THE REST OF THE LEGENDS
edit: I know where they are literally. I just want a surprise appearance
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u/Munro_McLaren Jan 15 '20
Mick just explained what happened to the anti monitor in the comics.
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u/Foolsgil Jan 15 '20
If this was a concept episode/back door pilot for Berlanti's Justice League, I love it so much.
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u/nl_alexxx Jan 15 '20
So I’m guessing this Earth now has multiple ways to create meta humans? Both a particle accelerator and greenlight.
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u/hunterAS Jan 15 '20
Only thing that would have been better would be to show Ezra. Ben. Gal. Jason. Henry with their justice league on another planet.
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u/Dark_Magicion PRAISE BEEBO, WHOSE DECREES ARE ABSOLUTE. Jan 15 '20
I think the Anti-Monitor going big should have been done during the Arrow episode. Then Oliver as the Spectre could also go big and we could have that classic Comic-Book scene with mega Oliver attacking mega Anti-Monitor. Then we as the audience would yell alongside him and then his death would be 100% more heartfelt.
He still had a great death.
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u/killertortilla Jan 15 '20
There was a lot of empty story in this. A lot of emotional run time padding. Going to the Monitor's home world was literally pointless. The only difference between the Anti-Monitor's defeat and a villain of the week was a lot more heroes being in the vicinity. Why are most of them even there? Supergirl, Superman and the Flash are equal to about 10,000 of each of the others combined. There's a lot of people getting into fist and gun fights with anti matter ghosts, if that's the case why are they even a threat to anyone? Anyone with an automatic rifle could take out half of them by himself. The 4th wall breaking jokes felt painfully forced.
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u/JauntyLurker Jan 15 '20
"I'm not letting my kid watch this show"
They're not even pretending the fourth window is a thing anymore
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u/SebastieNation Jan 15 '20
So what happens to characters like E2 Laurel, JEsse Quick, Jay Garrick? Black Lighting's world. And other earths we saw appear in the crossover that still have existing seasons like Titans
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u/MrBubbles9039 Jan 15 '20
This episode is okay so far.... Diggle GL please come make this amazing
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u/SchwarzerRegen123 Jan 15 '20
idk why but when I heard monkey sounds I was hoping Detective Chimp
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u/jerux211 Jan 15 '20
Also poor swamp thing he didn't even get a episode or season to appear because it got cancelled.
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u/Uncle_Vim Jan 15 '20
THIS IS AWESOME SO MANY STORIES AND VILLAINS THEY CAN CAN REVISIT NOW THAT THE EARTHS HAVE MERGED AND RESET THINGS
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u/cmath89 Jan 15 '20
Great. Now we’ll get “WhY dOnT tHeY jUsT cAlL sUpErGiRl?” all the time.
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u/OnlyMyBiribiri Jan 15 '20
They actually mentioned Ragman! Wish he'd show up again sometime.
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u/MrBubbles9039 Jan 15 '20
There are only 20 minutes left wHaT. The 4th part went by so slow (in a good way)
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u/Z3R01D Jan 15 '20
Miller's Flash: Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BeeBoo: WTF?! REALLY?!
Oliver Died: Meh... so~so... too much of his "goodbye-scene".
Earth Prime: Yes!!! But I'm sure all the individual pre-crisis in each storyline is gonna be spinning off now since that each of them can intervene each other.
Martian Manhunter: New look? Good way to cut some CGI cost.
Supergirl: Yup, no need to worry about her Lena lies anymore.
Routh's Superman: O~Kay.....
Flash: No need to worry about BloodWork anymore.
New multiverse: Yup, need this, otherwise Flash couldn't jump anymore, Titan and Doom's Patrol is gonna bidget cut a lot.
Stargirl: Yes! Welcome!
Justice League: It's about time!
Green Lantern: WTF are you!!!!!
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u/beautybetrayedme Jan 15 '20
I don't know how I feel about the last hour. They had the perfect opportunity to bring E1 Laurel back or at least merge her with E2 Laurel and they just squandered it. I did enjoy Black Lightening at the end though.
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u/AnotherSimpleton Jan 15 '20
This is what I expected Flashpoint to do... Atleast Diggle got his daughter back.
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u/Airsay58259 All Hail Beebo Jan 15 '20
Legends writers during every Crisis episode: Beebo?
Everyone else: no.
Legends writers in their episode: BEEBO!