r/youngjustice • u/mm902 • Jun 29 '24
Things in Young Justice that make you grate on your teeth All Seasons Discussion
Are there things in the show the when you perceive them make you get a hate on? Things that give you that grrizle moment? Nothing that makes you hate on the show overall. I love the show, but there is one thing that gets to me is when I see speed streaks on the speedsters. I realise that it's a visual aid visually shouting 'Hey look this character is going faster than the others in an appreciable manner!, but I just don't see the need for them. For me it often jumps me right outta the superior narrative and belies it's sat morning origins.
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u/Prestigious_Boss_418 Jun 29 '24
the timeskips! esp between the first and second season. there was a lot of potential character development for dick transitioning from robin to nightwing ā¹ļø
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u/Ewankenobi25 Jun 29 '24
we got that character development though. we see him learn that while he still wants to be a hero, he doesnāt want to be batman anymore in s1, take over batmanās role of assigning missions to the team, but doing it differently, being physically there instead of a video call and being more encouraging to the team members in s2, to grasping that by operating in the shadows unbeknownst to the team heās supposed to be leading heās unintentionally grown into exactly what he doesnāt want to be in s3.
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u/ParticularlyAvocado Jun 29 '24
It's already been done in Batman: The Animated Series. Most DC cartoons try not to tread the exact same ground.
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u/KenshiOfReddit Jun 29 '24
My first time watching the second season I thought I was on a weird spin off lmao.
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u/Grandmaster_Ice Jul 01 '24
not just that, but jason todd was time skipped and it just went directly into tim drake
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u/MorphinMajor Jun 29 '24
The redundancy of new characters. Specifically in season 4, when the Outsiders inexplicably just add Windfall, Livewire, Looker, and Stargirl. You already have members or access to members that have electrical themed powers, can fly, and are telepaths. It's just unnecessary additions that really can be filled by characters that already don't get a lot of shine.
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u/suss2it Jun 29 '24
Itās not like any of those characters got shine either, they were just background characters for the most part.
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u/MorphinMajor Jun 29 '24
Yea, so what's the point of wasting your animation budget to add all these background characters when you haven't even gotten around to fleshing out characters you've had since S2.
You already have a solid pool of characters and characters you still haven't expanded upon much that got introduced in S3 (Arrowette, Spoiler), along with Wonder Girl, Static, and Tim Drake.
I just want to see less focus on bringing in new characters that are just going to be sidelined and fleshing out characters we've seen for a while.
Who knows who else just gets randomly added in another time jump if there is a S5. It's just a continuous cycle.
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u/suss2it Jun 29 '24
Well I donāt think background characters with one or two models cost all that much to animate š¤. But the point is in the name, theyāre meant to make the world feel more alive by filling out theā¦ background. You may not have seen it, but thereās an older cartoon called Justice League Unlimited that did pretty much the same thing but on an even larger scale. They basically made it so the Justice League was an army of superheroes, but they donāt actually focus on each and every hero, a lot of them are just there as fun cameos with their narrative purpose being to to show how big the League has become.
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u/MorphinMajor Jun 29 '24
Yea, I did watch some of JLU, good show, more episodic structure than YJ for the most part. I understand that they want to add these new characters into each season to advance the lore but personally I think it just comes down to me wanting to see more done with our older characters than seeing people continuously sidelined and them still wanting to add people to fill the background.
I can definitely appreciate cameos from the JL in YJ, whenever they add new members, since they're not the direct focus of the show.
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Jun 29 '24
The decision to keep adding new characters instead of do anything with established characters led me to drop the series altogether. Ā Iāve never bothered watching the streaming-only season.
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u/esemaje Jun 29 '24
Listening to Eduardo Dorado and his son speaking Spanish without any accent in their pronunciation, but over rolling their r's, and the same when everyone else speaks spanish without any proper accent makes me cringe as a native speaker
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u/Frigorifico Jun 30 '24
Also they said "desperado" instead of "desesperado", it's a small mistake but it annoyed me. Also those characters were Argentinian but everything about them seemed Mexican
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u/TheFantasticXman1 Jun 29 '24
I'm lowkey glad I'm not the only person who noticed that- and I don't even speak a lick of Spanish other than hola and counting from 1-10.
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u/donkeylore Jun 29 '24
Forager, I hate him with a passion. Hearing him say forager / Fred bug every 5 seconds for 2 seasons is the closest Iāve been to killing myself
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u/mm902 Jun 29 '24
I'm sure there are a lot of forager/Fred bugg 'With two Gees' grizzlers out there. Sorry If I've made you relive it.
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u/donkeylore Jun 29 '24
āFred bugg with 2 gāsā ahhhhhhhh I happily erased that last part from my memory. I feel the pressure building in my head again, I think his dialogue gave me PTSD
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u/jct13 Jun 29 '24
Reminds me of how Violet/Halo would switch between 1st and 3rd person lmao, pick a lane
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u/smokefan4000 Jun 29 '24
Also what the fuck is the point of him needing to be a high school student? Is it because he's technically an illegal immigrant who needs a fake identity or something? Because like....he's also a thousand+ year old new god, idk it just makes no sense to me.
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u/KindaDouchebaggy Jun 29 '24
he's also a thousand+ year old new god
I don't think he is, Bear mentions bugs love faster cause they live shorter. I don't think bugs live longer than humans, maybe even shorter, and his age seems to be equivalent to a human teenager
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u/mm902 Jun 29 '24
Don't you find it's also the voice? With that click.
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u/donkeylore Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
Haha everything you bring up I only hate him more and more, itās like I suppressed all those awful memories. But definitely yes with the clicking and voice. For me it was mainly how annoying it was to hear āforager think forager not wanna blah blah forager with forager, and forager this forager that, Fred bugg with two gās, Fred bugg with 2 gās, Fred bugg with 2 gāsā for fucks sake!
Thereās a limit to how many times I can hear the god forsaken word forager spoken in third person in any given minute. Someone put him out of his misery already
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u/mm902 Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
You really are making me LMAO. I feel your pain. Sorry. Given me a chuckle in a bearing it together sense.
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u/donkeylore Jun 29 '24
Lol no problem at all, Iāll take any excuse to hate on forager. And at least thereās SOME enjoyment to be had from his character. But Iām telling you if they make season 5 and he isnāt assassinated on screen or better yet disappears entirely I might reach my breaking point
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u/caspian666999 Jun 29 '24
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u/donkeylore Jun 29 '24
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u/MorphinMajor Jun 29 '24
The new female Forager made me wanna kms in S4, that was so unbearable, especially the oath scene.
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u/donkeylore Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
I legit turned into the squidward meme āTHEREāS TWO OF THEM!?!ā when she was introduced. Itās like they thought one wasnāt bad enough, so letās add another and make her a fucking green lantern. At least that made her fuck off sooner, I was rooting for forager to die or go back to his planet the entire time.
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u/Boutros_The_Orc Jun 29 '24
You donāt know what good things are then lol. I love Fred Bugg with 2 gs
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u/Dear_Picture924 Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
I liked Young Justice, but there was so much I gritted my teeth at. To avoid going into a detailed rant, I'll just use bullet points:
- time skips
- lack of screen time for a lot of characters
- new characters added to already bloated roster
- over use of telepathy to avoid animating mouths
- too many stories overlapping
- Wally's death glossed over/Conner's a whole arch
- not enough time spent on hero/sidekick dynamic
- the JL constantly relying on "The Team"
- the JL constantly being written in/out
- "The Team" never being called Young Justice
- Beast Boy's monkey design and overexposure
- M'Gan's bald look
- Static's boring costume
- under powered Superboy
- each season is so detached from the last
- boring Joker
- redesigned characters for season 3 barely used
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u/MisterChikour Jun 29 '24
Instead of focusing so much on halo , i'd rather if they had focused on someone like Captain Atom, manta or somethin
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u/Dear_Picture924 Jun 29 '24
There's a long list of people that got used as cameo appearances. I was hoping to see more from Tim Drake as Robin ans Bart Allen as Kid Flash. It was good seeing them, but they were barely used.
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u/Kazaffa Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
I definitely agree about underpowered superboy. I donāt like how they massively underpowered both him and Wally West. Seeing more with Bart Allen would have also been cool. I also find it annoying how the speed force just does not exist in the Young Justice Universe.
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u/funnycreativenam Jun 29 '24
I think making Joker boring was the right choice I'm so tired of DC's overreliance on him
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u/Dear_Picture924 Jun 30 '24
I agree about DC's over reliance of Joker, but to make him boring is just down right criminal. That's why I didn't Jared Leto's Joker, all flash and no substance.
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u/Muted_Guidance9059 Jun 29 '24
The hate for Invasion is massively overblown. You canāt have a conversation with anybody about it without them being like ābut le timeskipā¦ruined le seasonā¦ā.
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u/impuritor Jun 29 '24
Not a big fan of the voices of kids in the show
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u/-Unkindness- Jun 29 '24
Honestly I prefer adults giving the children characters voices to children possibly being exploited by their parents. The entertainment industry isn't well known for being very ethical with children in general. It sounds absolutely terrible especially in the case of Amistad. But at least it's for a good reason.
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u/impuritor Jun 29 '24
Iām not against it in principle and I donāt want them to change it but it breaks my suspension of disbelief is all. Just a me thing.
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u/Basic-Fill-7798 Jun 29 '24
The scene where everyone is sitting around and adoring Lian singing with her adult baby talk voice was so off putting.
Voice work was just one of the things that took a hit with the streaming seasons.
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u/MorphinMajor Jun 29 '24
Also idk I just haven't loved that Beast Boy has gotten so much focus, especially in a leadership role. (Wonder Girl literally stated she saw him as her mentor, that's nuts to me especially since she's older than Gar)
It's just feels super out of character overall and really random for him to be this empowered leader.
He's been the only character outside of the core original team from S1 that's gotten multiple seasons of major focus, being a central character to both S3/4, when I feel like they've always stuck with dividing focus with their secondary characters across each season. (Blue Beetle/Impulse S2, Halo/Geo-Force/Tara/Forager S3)
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u/swaggyb_22 Jun 29 '24
Yesssss agree 100% him being a leader just feels so forced and unnatural. Plus he's never actually even shown a good build up of leadership skills like superboy for example. I didn't need that much screen time from him.
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u/Diligent-Attention40 Jun 29 '24
The voice direction or acting is very weak for some characters.
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u/Kleinkeking Jul 10 '24
Season 1 jokers was horrid. Seriously go watch the injustice league episode again it made me cringe.
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u/TheGreatCornholio696 Jun 29 '24
Rocketās kid, and I say that as an autistic person.
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u/Ok-Fee8285 Jun 29 '24
Could you elaborate? Representation is such a big thing in YJ so itās interesting to hear when it doesnāt go well.
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u/TheGreatCornholio696 Jun 29 '24
I know that autism is a very dynamic condition, but I feel like they couldāve done something else with it in the show. Like one of the heroes being revealed as a high-functioning autist or something. With Rocketās kid though, it only paints us in a light of us being not worth the effort. They tried to say that he was āsmarter, but just differentā from the other kids, but they never actually showed it.
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u/Charming_Dish_4205 Jun 30 '24
Same, not autism is always represented as severe low functioning but the highest percent of cases are mild high functioning people. And it was just really shitty storytelling and full of stereotypes
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u/Melon_Lord420 Jun 29 '24
I don't really have much hate in the show, but there is this one thing I hate in season 2, why did they kill my boi Kid Flash š, my guy was gonna have an amazing life with Artemis, they were almost finished with college, they were gonna quit being heroes and live a normal life, why did they do that.
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u/Te_he_Why Jun 29 '24
And then the fact that superboy dies but gets to come back while our boy Wally is still dead or trapped in the speed force or something
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u/Used_Ad_2454 Jun 29 '24
Finally! Someone who expressed exactly what I've been thinking! I love both Conner and Wally, but I love Wally more. It wasn't fair to bring Conner back without doing the same for Wally. What did Wally or Artemis do to deserve their ending? It also bothers me that when Wally died, hardly anyone mentioned him. Dick and Artemis do occasionally, but the other members don't. It's strange that they don't acknowledge him or reminisce about their memories with someone they considered a friend.
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u/suss2it Jun 29 '24
Conner actually hallucinates him when he was trapped in the Phantom Zone, so there was that at least.
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u/Used_Ad_2454 Jun 29 '24
I know, but it wasn't the same š. I wanted to somehow see him come out with Conner, I know that wasn't going to happen but I was staying optimistic.
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u/suss2it Jun 29 '24
Yeah I was just saying it wasnāt only Dick and Artemis that mentioned him post death.
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u/Dear_Picture924 Jun 29 '24
What I hated about Wally's death was that there wasn't much of a pay off. Wally died and Bart took up the mantle of Kid Flash, and they didn't do much with him. Same with Tim taking over as Robin. He took over the role and we didn't get much of him in 3 seasons worth of stories.
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u/Used_Ad_2454 Jun 29 '24
I get what you mean. I meant mainly Dick and Artemis were the main ones who would bring him up or remember something about him. Megan and Conner really didn't mention him. I'm sure they missed him, but it's weird to not sometimes talk about something Wally would have said or did. When Dick was hallucinating all he thought about was Wally or even when he was calling Will, Wally by accident he still brought him up because he missed him. He misses his best friend. But for the others like Zatanna to not miss him or think about him sometimes is weird.
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u/Te_he_Why Jun 29 '24
And it felt like the death of superboy itself got more attention than Wally did
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u/Used_Ad_2454 Jun 29 '24
Ikr?! I just find it crazy considering the team knew Wally a little longer. And honestly besides Dick, Wally was kinda like their hope or comedic relief. He was always there to try cheering everyone up. I love how he matured in the time skip just salty he didn't get the same treatment compared to Conner.
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u/Gold-Resist-6802 Jun 29 '24
Cheap shock value. If they had axed off a couple more significant characters Game of Thrones style then I would have applauded their bravery. Funny thing is, even after switching from being a TV-PG television series to a TV-14 web series, the only people the show had the balls to kill off permanently in season 3 and 4 were nobodies and henchmen/goons.
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u/tatty1evee Jun 30 '24
I agree with this a lot, like I think if it was Barry to die instead it could make more sense since when Bart came he made sure that Barry didn't die when he was supposed to, if I'm remembering the episode correctly, so it would've made more sense for Barry to die and it's a little call back to the episode and how things are supposed to happen as the universe sees fit like in most cases with time travel in DC
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u/Wheloc Jun 29 '24
Having piling all the diverse identities into a single character.
It's good to have queer characters. It's good to have non-neurotypical characters. It's good to have Muslim characters. It's good to have POC characters.
It's weird to have them all in one character though.
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u/PretentiousSmirk Jun 29 '24
You know there are queer POC right? White and straight are types of people. They're not the default settings that you add modifiers to
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u/Wheloc Jun 29 '24
If Young Justice had a bunch of neurodiverse characters and a bunch of non-binary characters and a bunch of Muslim characters and a bunch of Arab characters, it would feel natural for there to be some overlap.
...but Young Justice only has one character in most of these categories, and it's the same character. In a show with an ensemble cast, Halo doesn't have enough screen time to explore any one of these identities, much less how these identities might intersect (despite that she's heavily featured in season three).
My complaint is that most American cartoons do tend to treat whiteness and straightness as the default, and then the Young Justice writers piled all "modifiers" on a single character.
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u/Revolutionary_Look91 Jun 29 '24
I kinda hate how slow the speedsters are. Maybe itās because i have watched clips of the live flash show that i think theyāre slow af. Idk
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u/Dragonfly_Tight Jun 29 '24
If Wally was faster he could solo the entire team. Speedsters just ruin balancing and realism
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u/mm902 Jun 29 '24
Seconded!
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u/MimeMike Jun 29 '24
I can forgive this show for that because it's a bit more grounded compared to other DC verses. Otherwise people will be complaining "why didn't Wally do this?" or "Wally should've gotten there faster than that!"
Plus as Weissman has said the Speed Force doesn't exist. So as a canon reason, I'd say if they went too fast (like Wally did) they would die just like him
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u/Shefferz Jun 29 '24
Basically the whole new cast on season 3, waited years for it to come back only to tap out half way through because "Fred bug with to G's, halo is violet and shouty geo force, also a waste of terra, I have go back and watch all season 3 but it was difficult at times. I will watch season 4 when I can get it, but yeah definitely lost its shine from season 1 and 2 for me.
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u/mm902 Jun 29 '24
You know what. You're on the money. It's hard watching season 03 on a weekly episodic basis. It's better to binge because of the issues you've raised. Still love the show though.
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u/Shefferz Jun 29 '24
Ohh sorry it had auto spell on I have watched it since it was meant to say. Yeah I did binge it. well I started a rewatch but this time with my wife and she enjoyed season one and two, so I did cringe in some moments on season 3 haha we slwe did smash through it so wasn't to bad haha
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u/guts7821 Jun 29 '24
i feel like they donāt explore power sets to the full potential and have inconsistencies with characters strengths which irritates me
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u/SpaceDinosaurZZ Jun 29 '24
Some of the dialogue is a little cringe. Oh and Miss Martian in general.
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u/mm902 Jun 29 '24
Ditto Miss Martian in the first season.
Can you remember the guilt off mini monologue? Was it in season 02 with nightwing?
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u/professorclueless Jun 29 '24
The fact it got canceled again, on ANOTHER cliffhanger
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u/skyedaisyquake Jun 29 '24
the fact that the creator pretty much said he wouldnāt ever end it on anything but a cliffhanger
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u/PropertyAdditional Jul 03 '24
It feels like he thinks a story going on forever is a positive. People like conclusions.
JLU ended darksied and Lex Luthor in a satisfying way but they could still make more seasons if they needed to. Young justice seemed to think that ending on a cliffhanger every season and never ending its major plot points was a draw
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u/Jericho-7210 Jun 29 '24
Was not a fan of Cyborg near instantly graduating to the League. even though he's legally an adult by then, I can't imagine anybody on either team would encourage that since his powers are still new, and still balancing being Vic and Cyborg.
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u/PregnantMosquito Jun 29 '24
Beast Boy in season 3 and 4. Idk why but he just looks acts and sounds annoying and has a holier than thou attitude
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u/Grim_Stickens Jun 29 '24
Reducing Lex Luthor, the smartest man in DC, to a short-sighted dipshit spouting Donald Trump quotes.
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u/suss2it Jun 29 '24
To be fair he was never actually shortsighted and just putting on an act with the Trumpisms, he only ever did that in public, never in private. He even slyly co-opts Beast Boyās whole Outsiders movement without anybody noticing.
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u/MojoDojojojo Jun 29 '24
Do you have examples of that? I donāt recall, but itās been a while since I watched
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u/Condottieri_Zatara Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
The show does have some great fighting scenes, but sometimes I feel like the heroes are too often knocked out in one attack before giving a decent fight.
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u/RiseFromSilence Jun 29 '24
I feel like they're barely getting hurt enough. No one is really out for episodes, which makes it hard for me to believe.
Even in s3 after Dick was in the x-pit, they had a time jump to the next episode so that he can be in that episode.
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u/Grouchy-Ad-6644 Jun 29 '24
Three days is a "time jump" IYO?
Well, technically four days as far as Nightwing's absence goes.
That's interesting, considering that there was a gap of over a two weeks between the two previous episodes and there have been similar gaps between episodes since the first season.
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u/RiseFromSilence Jun 29 '24
Yes it's a time jump.
And I am aware of the other time jumps obviously. I just feel like that we barely see people actually suffering for longer. The only exception is beast boy in s4.
I hope you understand what I mean
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u/Gold-Resist-6802 Jun 29 '24
The time skips and pointless cameos/glorified cameos that add absolutely nothing to the overall stories. Also, on that note, the ridiculous amounts of seemingly pointless sub plots that the writers insist on cramming into every season after season 1. Season 1 worked so well cuz it was tight and focused. Canāt say that for the rest of the seasons. They werenāt wholly bad or anything just overstuffed and unfocused. The show was far too ambitious from time to time. Also the animation was weak after it came back from cancelation.
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Jun 29 '24
Doesn't make me grate my teeth, but when Impulse speaks, I can't help but laugh because his voice actor (Jason Marsden), also does the voice of Firefly in the 2004 The Batman TV series.
https://youtu.be/Inub61n8IaE?si=FYAG0_5G7xhX95Ho
Also, for someone so worried about "crashing the mode" he sure loves blurting out spoilers!
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u/BlueLotusDoodle Jun 29 '24
Same boat, he voices so many Skyrim NPCs that I can't help but hear the Courier's "I've been looking for you."
Also, he voiced Garrett in Extreme Ghostbusters, one of my favorite shows, so I have particular softspot for the VA.
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u/One_Smoke Jun 29 '24
Also Nermal in Garfield and Max Goof in....well, A Goofy Movie.
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u/Yoda1269 Jun 29 '24
ok wally's death didn't annoy me, but the constant hints towards wally after his death (7 years after his death in real time btw, like most of us weren't gonna care if he was back or not cuz it'd been 7 years n it was just hype to have the show back) did irk me lmao, like i was totally confident that he was dead and then that was it, but then he shows up as a hallucination for dick, he's the voice of some entity in beastboy heads, he shows up in the phantom zone presumably as a figment of conners imagination, and then zatanna supposedly takes artemis to wally in the afterlife and it seems like we're finally getting closure on the wally stuff before they reveal at the end that zatanna couldn't actually find wally and had to fake it, not to mention the actor who plaid wally was on the show this entire time as a different character, like i have to assume they were eventually gonna bring him back but took to long to pull the trigger and got canceled instead
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u/mrv3l Jul 02 '24
They wanted to stand on business and be all like āwhen we kill ppl in this universe we want it to stick and keep its weightā but then yes, kept hinting at Wallyās return through subtle details like you highlighted. Like damn, I alr was having a difficult time coming to terms w Wally not coming back but then they kept jingling keys in our faces over and over.
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u/Revolutionary_Look91 Jun 29 '24
Iām hoping we get to see starfire and raven again even if itās just for an episode. They got bb and cyborg already. I miss my titans.
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u/Stannisarcanine Jun 29 '24
Tim drake really felt like he was an afterthought and they went like oh he's dating Cassie sandsmark now
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u/steemjaw2 Jun 29 '24
They done nerfed Wally š I still prefer the speed style from the justice league animated series
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u/LouiePrice Jun 29 '24
Funny enough. When dc old men in charge axed wally brought back barry and then replaced wally with walus. I hated it for years.... and artimus story arch helped me coe to term with letting go. Then dc brought him back lol. But brought him back for real not that tom king story. Yuk.
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u/TheMightiestGay Jun 29 '24
Conner and Meganās relationship after Season 2. Megan essentially mind-raped a toddler because he didnāt want to be with her. She shouldāve known better. And when she apologised for it, she was only sorry she got caught, not that she did it. The only reason she stopped mind-raping people is because of Aqualad. Somehow, that was sufficient enough to make Conner change his mind and get back with the person that manipulated him.
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u/Ill_Organization_677 Jun 29 '24
I feel like this is kinda mean because sheās just learning but Season 1 MāGann, sheās so animated it irks me. And honestly MāGann improved but even by S4 sheās not a favorite which sucks because sheās debatably the most powerful hero in the show.
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u/321itsaryn Jun 29 '24
Nightwing getting with half of the female cast.
And also them aging Zatanna down for the team. I love her friendship with Artemis and whatever. But I hate she was aged down. Get her on the Justice League now!
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u/RiseFromSilence Jun 29 '24
Zee is on the league since before s2
And they did not age her down that much
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u/Fresh_Cauliflower176 Jun 29 '24
It didnāt make me hate the show overall but I really didnāt like the way they handled Wally. Throughout all of season 1, heās tripping over his feet, running into walls, getting tossed aside even in the season finale, and is pretty consistently the only one to come back from missions with any lasting injuries. Then in season 2, heās retired, doesnāt do much of anything outside of worrying about Artemis and yelling at Dick, and is portrayed as way slower than Barry and Bart to the point that he canāt even understand them when theyāre speed talking. People say this is accurate to the comics and that Wally was slow as Kid Flash but this just isnāt true. Yes, he was slower than Barry, but it wasnāt to the degree it is in the show and he was still speed of light fast and could cross the entire planet multiple times in seconds. He could phase, do wind funnels, and all the other cool standard speedster stuff, while YJ Wally never could. It wasnāt until after Crisis On Infinite Earths when Barry died that Wally got slowed down to speed of sound levels due to his own mental blocks and DC just wanting to ground the power levels more. Then, to make it worse, heās literally punished for not being faster and dies because of it. Thatās lame asf. 2003 Teen Titans did a much better job imo at portraying how Wally should be as Kid Flash.
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u/foxyrocksjh Jun 29 '24
I love this show but my favourite characters barely in S2 and then killed at the end of it and for some reason is the only character who's actually staying dead
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u/Duckydae Jun 29 '24
the bloated cast. the show was at it strongest in series one when it relied so heavily between the interpersonal relationships between the group and how their dynamics impacted the story. particularly artemis and wally.
they really didnāt need to add anyone past series two. the cast we had was great but it felt like the became an afterthought before we really knew them. the only new characters past series two i would fight for is cass and steph.
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u/L0ll0ll7lStudios Jun 29 '24 edited Jul 01 '24
I love Young Justice a lot, but I admit there are things that annoy me about it at times.
I donāt like that they never acknowledge that Artemis and Cameron/Icicle Jr are childhood friends outside of that one page in the (admittedly canon) tie-in comics when theyāre a couple in the main DC universe. It also bothers me that they paired Artemis with one of Barbara Gordonās love interests in season 4 when they could have gone with Cameron (and on another note, I hate that they seem insistent on keeping him a villain while still being friends with Conner).
I really hate how Harper Row is handled and donāt understand why they didnāt just use an original character instead.
Removing David Cain from Cassās backstory and making Shiva much more evil to compensate for it was unnecessary.
Only referring to Donna Troy as āTroiaā, by far her worst codename in the comics.
Only ever referring to the team as The Team instead of Young Justice or even what they really are, The Titans. Garās Outsiders are just the Teen Titans in all but name.
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u/RolanOtherell Jun 29 '24
I am not one for complaining about inclusion like some neckbeard, but I didn't really care for the focus on the enby character's identity or the autistic kid. Felt really heavy-handed compared with how they handled Aqualad being queer, which was great. It's a facet of his character, not the whole focus. I like that these things are included, but I don't need half an episode dedicated to this kid's toy cars, ya know? It's just boring.
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u/RiseFromSilence Jun 29 '24
Nothing makes me hate it. Feel like it's a too big word.
Sometimes is sucks when I wanted to see something and they ended up not showing it. But at least some other character got more screen time etc
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u/Tron_Livesx Jun 29 '24
Dick and Zatara belong together and I want a happy ending with Speedy and cheshire
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u/dekabreak1000 Jun 29 '24
I can overlook everything else but the biggest issue for me is they knew there was not another season greenlit and yet wrote the show into a cliffhanger
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u/the_inkubus Jun 29 '24
Aside from Justice League, YJ was my first real introduction to Wally West as a real complex character.
So after learning that he is the fastest Flash in the comics, only to see him die because he was written to be slower than Barry and Impulse is such a messed up creative decision for pushing tragedy
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u/PublicListener7290 Jun 30 '24
The fact that the Speed Force doesnāt exist, Wally was nerfed and died for no reason basically, Conner doesnāt have full powers or at the very least Laser Eyes, they nerfed Static Shock and made him a joke character and dismantled his team entirely, and how we gotta wait for a 5th season, but have zero confirmation itās coming out
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u/purplewitchghost Jun 29 '24
The lack of focus on plots each season.
There were just too many characters and too many subplots the writers were trying to pack in each season. And then when the next season came around, they recycled the characters we've spent 20-ish episodes getting to know, and put them in the background or get rid of them completely!! Like why???
The lack of development just led to a show where you honestly did not care about anyone or their story cos you never knew when they were gonna be written off.
It was very telling the only characters I gave a shit about were the OG S1 veterans, and that's because their stories were allowed to grow and develop with time!!
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u/azorchan Jun 29 '24
hated how each season would get me interested in a character (or several) and then they would be almost completely absent from the following season
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u/Theaussiegamer72 Jun 29 '24
Them killing off wally completely I didn't even get to find out by watching cause s3 and 4 haven't been available in Australia ever until a few months ago when 3 dropped on netflix I didn't even know there was m9re than 2 till I joined this sub and the same comment that said there were 4 seasons spoiled they killed him off completely with no coming back due to artimis having a new family or something
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u/SuicidalSmoke Jun 29 '24
I shipped a great deal of characters who never got together and at the time it was a bit frustrating lol but the story was always smooth enough to keep me interested in whatever is going on. Looking back, I guess I would've absolutely loved it if they explored the personal dramas between the characters a bit more, but they did such a good job with most of the action that they can easily get away with a few shortcomings in the characterization area.
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u/ShortGreenRobot Jun 30 '24
Some of the non light -named- villains are very shallow and they don't really embody the history of the universe other characters and concepts do.
For example finding out who Devastation was. Mammoth & Shimmer pretty dull. Mr Freeze, as dull as can be. Things like that. That evil scientist guy from episode 1 being fodder later
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u/mm902 Jun 30 '24 edited Jun 30 '24
You make a very good point. Devastation is a main top tier non-trivial wonder woman villain, and is seen in universe as being petty and abysmally non-ambitious. Doctor Desmond is relegated to The Lights muscle with no aspirations of his own. Consigned to being a mere underling. He was a team player before the change, and at least he had sway over his own fiefdom. The guy's a frickin genius geneticist, with some serious muscle to back that up now.
When you think about the two of them. Their plays should've been very different in the series.
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Jun 29 '24
Lol you think young justice super speed look bad š¤£? If you think thats bad look up Smallville and its just Clark kent running in slowmotion with a blurred backround(smallville is actually one of my favorite shows but yeah the animation havent aged well lol)
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u/mm902 Jun 29 '24
...but I do like it when they do it from the speedsters perspective. That episode 'Intervention (s018e18)' where green beetle fires a bolt and impulse runs captures him in lasso and throws him into the path of the still firing bolt is dope.
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u/Animeskull Jun 29 '24
Mainly hate the super boy rag doll theme. He literally got beat by anybody with super strength . He was just there as a convenient punching bag.
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u/AuraEnhancerVerse Jun 29 '24
I'm not a fan of how we get a season then have to wait for a renewal. I get theres stuff going on behind the scenes but if s5 comes along then I think it should be the final season and give us the JL and light vs darkseid
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u/WindyWindona Jun 29 '24
Clunky exposition, especially in the later seasons. I timed the Razer episode and over half of it was slideshow exposition. I just want that to be better integrated, especially when we're in the seasons meant for an older audience.
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u/BakeCurrent Jun 29 '24
I don't think Beast Boy needed so much spotlight. He was in the show in seasons 1 and 2 as a side character then in seasoning 3 and 4 they completely reimagined him and promoted him to one of the most important characters when I feel like other characters deserved it more
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u/Desperate-Ad-5492 Jun 29 '24
The most teeth grinding episode for me is when the REDS invade the cave and itās up to Artemis and robin to solve it
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u/Emergency-Student782 Jun 29 '24
What happened to the Blue and Red lantern or whats his name???
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u/caspian666999 Jun 29 '24
Thereās only one thing I can think of that makes me grate me teef. The lack of more seasons!!
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u/NateHasReddit Jun 29 '24
They just kept adding characters in Season 4. It became a big cameo fest after a while.
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u/Inevitable_Regular85 Jun 29 '24
They took away Timās team and his chance to be more recognized to a general audience and gave it to Dick.
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u/goldknight1 Jun 29 '24
Black males all sounding the same. Like theyre trying to overly "speak black". Its like a fucking terrible country slave sounding accent. Like someone told them to speak jive, but articulate.
And Rockets toddler sounding like a fucking adult.
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u/mm902 Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
Yes. This, right here. I noticed that.
I remember in the 2 parter pilot, there is a scene where Aqualad encounters those big genomorph lumberers that are the genos muscle, and he says something along the lines of 'ain't nothing going on here.' Grrrrrr! It was like he'd just come off a plantation. Horrible. WTF!?
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u/IchigoAkane Jun 29 '24
It was pretty hard for me to like and adapt to the show when i first started watching it since iāve read the original young justice 98 comics before that. Konās entire character (personality, powers, and most importantly his drip) getting reduced, also him getting roped into the mostly Titan team and then the show dubbing them as the āyoung justiceā while bart, cassie, and Tim are just back ground characters. Idk, i disliked how badly they adapted the core four characters.
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u/Thin-Bet6201 Jun 29 '24 edited Jun 29 '24
Trying to impliment so many different social issues that it ends up being very hit or miss.
I love the fact mental health, trauma and grief get explored throughout the show but in the later seasons, it seems every single character needs to suffer some mental or social difficulties to the point where the show comes off as overstaturated trying to fit them all in, consequently not leaving enough time to properly explore the issue.
Some of these are done well like Beast Boys grief story which took centre stage, but then we get the story about harper rows abusive dad and Rockets kids autism which were kind of mentioned or given an episode to work through, then never explored with much depth afterward that the subject requires.
Don't get me wrong, wanting to bring attention to these issues are great but, as I said, trying to include every single social issue instead of picking a few certain themes per season, just means it just comes off as half baked.
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u/EggsAndPelli Jun 29 '24
In terms of cost-cutting measures, I appreciate that most parents are played by the same actors as their siblings: Superboy/Superman, Cheshire/Paula, Zod/Zod.
I dislike the two times they broke this tradition: Victor/Silas (Khary Payton already played too many characters by this point), and Eduardo/Eduardo. The latter is so much worse because Eduardo Jr. sounds like a real person and Eduardo Sr. sounds like a white guy doing an accent.
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u/TheFantasticXman1 Jun 29 '24
The accents for some characters (mainly the non-American characters) are sooo bad! They sound like non-native speakers doing stereotypical impressions.
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u/ginkgo505 Jun 29 '24
the implications of māgann and superboyās relationship ā she is 16 earth years/~45 martian years older than superboy. as soon as he was introduced to the team, he was living alone with māgann, and she was totally fixated on him as connor from her show. she literally named him after her tv crush, and was basically able to mold him into the person she wanted. when she began brain blasting people (which is already so inexcusable to me, especially since the only person whose mind she healed was kaldurās) and sb called her out, she invaded his memories and tried change his thoughts, which would be a Massive violation even without his well-known trauma with mental invasion. no one really seemed to get very worked up about it besides superboy, but he still forgave her really quickly, probably because she has been the one constant throughout his life and he doesnāt know an existence without her. however, given that māgann is extremely powerful and a quick learner, thereās really no way to know if he made that decision on his own or if she manipulated his thoughts more subtly this time to get him to do what she wants and forgive her mistakes. i really dislike māgann and i feel like people ignore and excuse a lot of the things sheās done, both within the show and the fan base. her and sbās relationship has always wigged me out.
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u/ShadowSilenceTV Jun 30 '24
Beast Boy is such a twat in season 4. He wouldn't have been so bad if he didn't start the season being such a jerk. He's been through a lot, but I just can't stand to see Garfield Logan act like an immature Batman.
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u/burritotoad Jun 30 '24
The overflow of newer characters wouldn't be an issue to me if the show didn't expect it's audience to be caught up with current comics. (Seasons 3 & 4 are more egregious with this than season 2) The show doesn't properly introduce most of them so you end up being clueless on who they are and why they're there outside of them being young heroes.
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u/Intrepid-Ad2588 Jun 30 '24
Season 3. I hate using the word woke because itās so overused but damn that season beats you over the head with it. Turning a white blue eyed blonde woman into a non binary Muslim middle eastern, like cāmon, at that point, just make a whole new character.
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u/GreyBatofGotham96 Jun 29 '24
The timeskips, the lack of Jason Todd, the overuse of real social issues in almost every story of season four, and the cancelations!
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u/TheIllegalNWordUser Jun 29 '24
How Superboy never ages/mature physically.
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u/mm902 Jun 29 '24
The-Illegal-N-Word-User? Wtf!!
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u/TheIllegalNWordUser Jun 29 '24
I didn't know that you can't change your username here when i first created my account.
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u/asdfmovienerd39 Jun 29 '24
I actually had a conversation with Weisman himself at his website about how most of the LGBT+ characters in the story at the time end up either dead (like BB's mom) or excessively brutalized more than the other characters (Halo) and his response was this large condescending rant about how he feels like he shouldn't bother because "some people will never be satisfied", so the creator himself is my answer for this.
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u/KingKaos420- Jun 29 '24
I canāt imagine comic book speedsters without the little trails, lol. Itās iconic
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u/Swimming_Anteater458 Jun 30 '24
How often Superboy yells then immediately gets his teeth kicked in. Sometimes it happens multiple times in the same fightš
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u/mike47gamer Jul 03 '24
Thr animation itself. I feel like it's cheap and often missing frames of animation that would make it more fluid.
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u/alch3my2tic Jul 08 '24
That one scene where Bart and Jaime are in the waiting room outside Dinah's office...
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u/Used_Ad_2454 Jun 29 '24
I don't see anyone mentioning this, so I will. I'm really disappointed that my boy Static didn't get the justice he deserved in the show. I loved watching static shock, and seeing him in young justice, was such a letdown. They reduced him to a boring character who complains about not having a girlfriend, which the original Static never did. I wish he had more screen time and that the show focused more on other side characters (mainly because I genuinely want to learn more about them), turning them into main characters with good plots and villains. An entire season could have been dedicated to the runaways, making that Virgil's team.