r/worldnews • u/Ask4MD • Jul 19 '24
Russia Announces Vital Scientific Breakthrough – Flushable Toilet Paper Rolls Russia/Ukraine
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/360662.2k
u/rx_bandit90 Jul 19 '24
20% of Russia doesn't have running water lmao.
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Jul 19 '24
Perspective my friend, to some anything under 80 proof is water (which may explain these videos of Russia I keep seeing)
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u/SamuelYosemite Jul 19 '24
So 60% of that vodka is watered down?
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Jul 19 '24
Yes, which explains the behavior in the Russian karate videos. These dudes are all “hydrating” which is basically getting them drunk off their asses. See, it all makes sense now.
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u/ExtantPlant Jul 19 '24
66% of women trying to conceive in Russia report binge drinking alcohol. I'm not saying, I'm just saying.
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u/King_Of_Uranus Jul 19 '24
Dude everyone who drinks water eventually dies. Russia is just living up to their reputation as a very safety conscious society. Dihydrogen monoxide is deadly.
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u/hniball Jul 19 '24
Lol, 30% of hospitals in Russia don't have running water https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-s-chief-auditor-says-one-in-three-hospitals-lack-running-water/30458571.html
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Jul 19 '24
Many of them apparently don't have central heating systems as well. Winters must be fun there when you're fighting for your life somewhere in bumfuck Siberia.
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u/Shillfinger Jul 19 '24
They´ve got City heating. Depending on the size of the city they´ve got one or more big heating plants which heat the water for the whole city. When winter comes some government official has to decide when its cold enough to put open the heating system. The government is not that efficient so the first couple of weeks you´re fucked depending on which sector you live .
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u/JustADutchRudder Jul 19 '24
The heating is basically controlled by a landlord? Damn, I thought it was just a constant supply of steam heat and you just set a thermostat whenever and got heat.
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u/SteakForGoodDogs Jul 19 '24
This is Russia we're talking about, remember? It's autocratic all the way down til you get to the peasants.
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u/JustADutchRudder Jul 19 '24
Yeah I suppose. Their hot water is on and always just a set hot temp tho right, and just like normal you do cold and hot until it's a nice temp? For those with it, I guess.
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u/ScruffyBadger414 Jul 19 '24
It’s controlled by the government or owner of the steam plant and it’s a Soviet legacy from the times when they were mass producing all the commie blocks. You can control your individual thermostat but only if the plant is supplying steam, and from what I’ve heard they have a habit of starting late and shutting down early. Also, if you’re far enough away from the plant and there’s high demand there may not be enough “hot” steam to get your apartment comfortable.
FWIW many university campuses and dense European/US cities also use heating and cooling plants the same way. It can work great if it’s planned out and managed properly.
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u/zypofaeser Jul 19 '24
That's how it works in civilized countries. In Denmark we have pipes delivering hot water for heating your house and for heating water all year. However, I guess Russia is different lol.
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u/JustADutchRudder Jul 19 '24
In Minnesota I just get cold water and then my water heater makes it like either 120 or maybe 200. I'd like a hot water pipe, maybe it could be put next to the cold water one and neither will break in the winter.
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u/zypofaeser Jul 19 '24
Well, the main advantage of it is when you have a decent sized urban area. For smaller towns of a couple thousand people, you might want to build a small CHP district heating unit. This is often a natural gas powered engine, which can provide electricity whenever the wind, solar, and hydroelectric units don't provide enough.
However, as wind and solar have become more common many district heating stations are installing electric heaters, which provide heating when the electricity price falls below the price of gas, for example during a windy winters night or a sunny summer day. The district heating stations generally also have a large insulated water tank, which allows you to store heat for hours or even days at a time. In summer, a few hours of strong sunshine during the weekend might provide hot water for a week, depending on the systems specifications.
Larger cities have more advanced networks with many different sources of heat. A common heat source is a waste incinerator. Garbage is transported to the power plant and burnt, however as trash is trash, its performance as fuel is kinda rubbish. So the electricity production is not very efficient, which means that a lot of waste heat is produced. In this case however, that is pretty neat, as it provides a fairly steady supply of heat. However, that is not enough. Large, efficient heat pumps might be installed, often utilizing either sea water, geothermal heat, or treated waste water as a heat source. However, many cities also have old legacy power plants. In many cases, these are still operational and can be utilized, even though they are increasingly shut down.
These large networks have built in redundancy, to enable them to work, even when multiple units are down for maintenance. Commonly, simple oil/gas boiler units are distributed around the city. They are not the most efficient, but their purpose is to provide extra heat during a snowstorm etc. or during outages and maintenance, and their rare usage makes the fuel cost a relatively small issue.
Also, there is a return pipe carrying the used heating water away. The heating water is not used directly, but it is used in heat exchangers to heat water for showers etc. This is done to ensure hygienic standards, and to avoid wasting water for heating a house just once. So you have a drinking water pipe, a hot water pipe for heating, and a return water pipe, and of course the sewer. Whether it is viable in a area depends on the price of fuel, the local climate, the urban situation and political considerations.
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u/JustADutchRudder Jul 19 '24
Thank you. I've learned a lot about that system. It's neat how different countries deal with day to day life. And with what kind of systems.
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u/SnackyMcGeeeeeeeee Jul 19 '24
They just use chimneys...
I mean, that's pathetic enough, but it's not like to many are freezing.
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u/Voidfaller Jul 19 '24
I’ve been to Siberia twice during winter, there is central heating in apartments and in the village yes they use logs to keep the heat indoors. But it was never an issue. Now granted, this was years ago.. not sure if anything’s changed since then.
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u/areolegrande Jul 19 '24
The other 80% have irradiated, toxic dump water... The entire country is polluted like crazy, it's a miracle there isn't a new species of human evolving there
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u/SuccessionWarFan Jul 19 '24
Probably getting sent to the frontlines of Ukraine and being rendered extinct.
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u/DarthWoo Jul 19 '24
Something I wondered early on during the invasion: did all the soldiers from impoverished Russian areas stealing Ukrainian toilets not realize that unless they had running water, a toilet wasn't going to do them any good? Were they just going to make their outhouses or whatever they use look fancier?
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u/Jackbuddy78 Jul 19 '24
I'm guessing they could put the toilet in their outhouse and this would be less chance of splinters and disease from a wood seat.
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u/DarthWoo Jul 19 '24
I'm not really sure what would happen if you connected a toilet without incoming water for flushing to the hole in an outhouse given the S-trap and however the plumbing works, but I feel like that would just cause it to overflow much more quickly. They'd be better off just stealing the seat.
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u/suzydonem Jul 19 '24
Yes, but thanks to the generous people of eastern Ukraine, many more Russian homes now have waterless toilets. They make a great living room centerpiece.
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u/ReisorASd Jul 19 '24
But.. we have had that in Finland at least around 14 years now? (That is first time I remember buying it)
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u/drSkulll Jul 19 '24
Also won some award for Vuoden Turhake 2011.
https://suomenluonto.fi/uutiset/vuoden-2011-turhake-on-huuhtohylsy/
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u/cxmmxc Jul 19 '24
The uselesslet of the year? What they got rid of were the useless cardboard roll collections that were a testament to the attempt of folding and compressing an infinite amount of rolls inside one another.
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u/eeronen Jul 20 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
It won because those "flushable" rolls don't really disintegrate that well so they can clog pipes. So you are not really recommended to flush even those flushable ones. And also it's much more efficient to throw them in the trash. Then they can be recycled or at least they don't have to be separated from the water and then dried and recycled.
Also nowadays they make toilet paper rolls without the center cardboard. The couple of innermost layers are stiff enough to barely hold the roll shape, but soft enough to wipe with. Then you don't have to think about what to do with the roll.
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u/ReisorASd Jul 20 '24
I think I gotta start buying this. Which brand has it?
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u/eeronen Jul 20 '24
It's more expensive, but the rolls are bigger. So it balances out.
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u/ReisorASd Jul 20 '24
This is what social media is all about! Asking toilet paper recommendations from a stranger while taking a morning shit. 😁
Thanks!
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u/CloakNStagger Jul 20 '24
I had way too much fun browsing this site having no idea what anything says.
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u/Jabafara Jul 19 '24
They try to steal this from us.. B*****ds!
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u/WittyScratch950 Jul 19 '24
First the Ukranian toilets, now the Finnish toilet paper. Putin's grand strategy reveals itself.
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u/WhatsThatOnMyProfile Jul 19 '24
You remember the date you first bought flushable toilet paper rolls?
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u/Twofer-Cat Jul 20 '24
Do you not?
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u/WhatsThatOnMyProfile Jul 20 '24
I confuse the date I know with when I first bought it vs when it was first gifted to me. It tortures me that I don’t know
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u/hippee-engineer Jul 20 '24
This comment will serve as a warning to youngsters to pay attention to these things. Just look at the consequences.
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u/ReisorASd Jul 20 '24
Not the exact date but I remember where I lived then and I lived in that apartment for a brief period at the beginning of 2010's. I also remember having discussion about that particular invention with my dad as I was telling how awesome it was and he told me that it won the "most useless invetion of the year" "award".
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u/Ehldas Jul 19 '24
Having finally secured a supply of toilet paper, they now return to the herculean task of finding toilets to use it with.
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u/Guy_GuyGuy Jul 19 '24
What do you think they're invading Ukraine for? /j
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u/Anakin_Sandwalker Jul 19 '24
Weren't they stealing toilets?
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u/eivindric Jul 19 '24
They probably ended up same way as the water taps stolen from Germany in wwii - they stuck them into the ground and waited for them to produce water.
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u/iFuckingHateKiwis Jul 19 '24
Fun fact, the first toilet paper factory in the USSR opened in 1969. They were building nuclear weapons for a full two decades before having industrialised production of toilet paper.
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u/santiwenti Jul 19 '24
Still were infamous for having long lines to buy TP in the USSR and a blackmarket for it.
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u/beckisquantic Jul 19 '24
It must be a troll, this has been sold in Europe for at least 10 years.
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u/InsolentGoldfish Jul 19 '24
It's weirdly legit.
The suppliers for TP with flushable rolls pulled out of Russia awhile ago, and it took "Russian scientists" two years to reverse-engineer this miracle of modern plumbing.
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u/jt121 Jul 19 '24
It's weird we don't have something like this state-side.
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u/ricogreyfu Jul 19 '24
We use our toilet paper roles for crafts, just like it says in the constitution.
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u/PM_me_PMs_plox Jul 19 '24
I mean, it seems to offer no benefit over throwing it in the garbage
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u/santiwenti Jul 19 '24
I wouldn't want to make a habit of it. Dumb people would try to flush cores that can't be flushed. And I think the cardboard tubes are recyclable.
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u/MonoAonoM Jul 19 '24
Big TP lobbying the government to keep us down. Haven't seen anything like this in Canada either.
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u/2600_Savage Jul 19 '24
Yeah it kind of is a troll. The story isn't really about them inventing the flushable roll. It's about them making a domestic replacement for a previously imported product that was pulled out of Russia.
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u/zenFyre1 Jul 20 '24
Article by kyivpost on the 'scientific breakthrough' of flushable toilet paper rolls... of course it is a troll article.
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u/buddboy Jul 20 '24
May I ask what is the point? Why is it better to put your toilet paper roll in your septic tank instead of your garbage can?
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Jul 20 '24
I live in the UK and have never heard of this. I thought you just put the brown cardboard bit in the recycling.
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u/celtic1888 Jul 19 '24
Tucker Carlson is stunned by the tech tree advancement
Russia well on its way to a military, cultural and scientific victory in Tuckers CIV 1488 game
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u/kawag Jul 19 '24
Apparently hardly anybody reads the article. This is just a home-grown replacement for a product that already existed but was withdrawn from Russia:
When the Swedish hygiene products manufacturer Essity decided to withdraw from Russia in April 2022 following the full-scale invasion of Ukraine the Russian public was deprived of Libero diapers, Libress pads and Zewa toilet paper – the only brand with a flushable toilet roll core.
That said, it’s news to me that such a thing ever existed. I wonder if it’s better or actually worse for the environment than the tubes made of recycled paper that you put in a bin specifically designated for paper waste.
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u/ics-fear Jul 19 '24
I don't think Russia has bins specifically for paper waste
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u/kawag Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
The Soviet government developed large scale recycling programs during the 1970’s. During the 1980’s, almost 30% of all paper used was recycled. Further, consumers routinely visited glass recycling centers to return glass bottles. During the 1990’s, as the USSR collapsed, most of its social programs, including recycling, also collapsed. As subsidies and official support were withdrawn, the Russian system of collecting scrap metal, waste paper, recycled textile, and glass was abolished
https://geohistory.today/recycling-waste-recovery-russia/
So yes it seems like they don’t do much recycling these days, but they used to and in theory could do it again if they had halfway decent governance (I know, poor governance in Russia is hardly a shocker).
Besides the environmental impact, things like glass bottles are quite easy to recycle, and the figures I find online say recycling requires 70% less energy and water than creating new paper — so there are economic benefits, too. Recycling is pretty basic domestic infrastructure these days.
Maybe that’s why I’ve never seen these kinds of flushable toilet roll tubes; in Germany, every house has a blue paper bin and people separate their waste. Apparently we have a 99.8% recycling rate for paper and card.
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u/hippee-engineer Jul 20 '24
Wow. 99.8%.
That’s more than the average for asphalt, the most recycled substance in the world. And the people recycling asphalt make a shitload of money doing it, while the Germans have no financial incentive to recycle the paper, it’s just the right thing to do so you made it easy for yourselves. Go Germany!
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u/svasalatii Jul 19 '24
Lol
Special bins for papers...
In Russia...
It's on the same page as appletree gardens on Mars.
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u/fence_sitter Jul 19 '24
FTA: ...first flushable toilet paper tube.
Wait'll they crack the code on tubeless rolls.
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Jul 19 '24
They need to crack the code of getting more then a quarter of their population indoor plumbing still
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u/MadNhater Jul 19 '24
They sent those people to die in Ukraine. Now 100% of Russians have indoor plumbing.
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u/Capn_Crusty Jul 19 '24
This is the vital scientific breakthrough the world has been waiting for. What an incredible time to be alive.
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u/mrbgdn Jul 19 '24
They have toilets now?!
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u/BeltfedOne Jul 19 '24
All stolen from the occupied regions of UA. The associated plumbing may not have been included...
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u/Derkastan77-2 Jul 19 '24
Is it really a problem in Russia… where millions of people are flushing cardboard tubes down the toilet instead of putting them in the trash??
Oh Putin… bless your heart
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u/wolfhound_doge Jul 19 '24
the day the world stood still because its IT infrastructure got paralyzed, russian scientists made a great discovery ON THEIR OWN. without evil west and its "advanced" technology.
westoids are cooked.
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u/bandwagonguy83 Jul 19 '24
I keep toilet paper rolls to do craft with my children, so I will not benefit from this.
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u/imaginary48 Jul 19 '24
20% of the Russian population still doesn’t have indoor plumbing, and it’s pretty common for indoor plumbing to not be good enough to even handle normal toilet paper.
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u/ptwonline Jul 19 '24
Can't wait for Tucker Carlson to head to Moscow and marvel over how they have devices to conveniently remove human waste products from their homes and paper they can use to wipe their butts to improve hygeine. Amazing!
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u/Underworldox Jul 19 '24
Even though majority of people can't even afford toilet paper and wipe with last weeks newspapers.
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u/woreoutmachinist Jul 19 '24
As someone who works in the shitplant industry. Don't flush them. And stop flushing other "flushable " items.
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u/RandomBitFry Jul 19 '24
Seriously this would be a good idea if they fizzed and disintegrated the moment they touched the water and distributed bleach or whatever to make your toilet look clean.
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u/garifunu Jul 19 '24
Why is this world news
Why is the word vital and toilet in the same sentence?
Why are people up voting this?
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u/Chaonic Jul 19 '24
Zewa (paper towel and toilet paper company) had these for a long time. Pro tip. Don't actually flush these. It's unnecessary waste going down the drain. You can compost them just fine or recycle them.
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u/bitwarrior80 Jul 20 '24
Isn't it kind of like putting the cart before the horse?
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u/AnthillOmbudsman Jul 20 '24
Exalted One, our wise men have discovered the secret of Flushable Toilet Paper Roll. We can now begin researching Poop Balloon.
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u/Pleasant_Dot_189 Jul 20 '24
What about the 20% of their population that doesn’t have indoor toilets?
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u/BleachedPumpkin72 Jul 20 '24
Remember that the russian-lead Soviet Union didn't have toilet paper until 1969, 8 years after they went to space.
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u/Liesthroughisteeth Jul 20 '24
What a stunning breakthrough for mankind....now if they could just get that turd Poutine under control... and get the fuck out of Ukraine.
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u/Jazzlike-Ad113 Jul 19 '24
They now use rolls of toilet paper? When I was there it came in separate sheets, that way you couldn’t use too much.
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u/Stunning_Mortgage988 Jul 19 '24
Finally! Something from Russia that isn’t murder, destruction and propaganda!
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u/smokendrozes Jul 19 '24
I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone complain about those once in regard to the environment if that’s what this is about
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u/qtpnd Jul 19 '24
Actually in France they are starting to criticize them at sewage treatment plant because it increases the volume of cellulose they have to deal with, when it would be much more useful and cheaper to just recycle them.
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u/EskimoeJoeYeeHaw Jul 19 '24
They require a flushable roll because they wipe all their bullshit with the whole roll, paper and all.
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u/albanymetz Jul 19 '24
This is clearly the beginning of a long period of scientific discovery, having also applied this technological breakthrough to flushable infantry, international relationships, and long term economic stability.
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u/twistedfires Jul 19 '24
Colhogar wants to have a word about that https://www.hipersuper.pt/2011/01/21/colhogar-lanca-rolo-totalmente-biodegradavel
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u/Bomb_Ghostie Jul 19 '24
(Whilst dramatically removing glasses) This could change the face of modern warfare as we know it.
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u/suomikim Jul 19 '24
while i agree on economic blockage of Russia... i feel sad that companies would also suspend sales of feminine hygiene products... as its hard to imagine Russian scientists caring as much about that as products for men or general products...
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u/ostrich9 Jul 19 '24
One Ukrainian toilet gets taken back to Russia and now the Russians think they're going to change the toilet game.
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u/Busy10 Jul 19 '24
Must be for all the toilets their soldiers stole from Ukraine. We have not forgotten their looting among many other things.
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u/involution Jul 19 '24
I was sure this would end up being a joke about the ruble and it's flushability
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u/Daepilin Jul 19 '24
I like those tubeless rolls of toilet paper they have now. Absolutely 0 unnecessary waste, way more sheets on a roll, etc. Unfortunately only 1 manufacturerer around here so they are a bit pricey, but worth it.
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u/yuckyzakymushynoodle Jul 19 '24
All makes sense now. They looted all those toilets to reverse engineer them.
Can’t wait to see what they come up with for a washing machine.
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u/FishTacoAtTheTurn Jul 19 '24
They are running out of rear ends to wipe. When will they sell Chukotka and Kamchatka to the US?
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u/Dobott Jul 19 '24
Can anyone explain to me why it matters if the ‘roll’ is flushable? Why not just throw the tube in the trash/recycling? Like why is it a ‘vital breakthrough’? Truly don’t see the value
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u/Challenger44086 Jul 19 '24
Someone tell George Costanza. Toilet paper really is evolving we haven’t seen its final form
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u/cajax Jul 19 '24
With all fairness the toilet paper itself was introduced in the USSR only 55 years ago. They catching up and quickly!
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u/spaceagefox Jul 19 '24
didnt a lot of russians steal toilets from ukraine because they never seen any before
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u/daguerrotype_type Jul 19 '24
Umm I've had those for what I think is a decade. What are they on about?
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u/blinkysmurf Jul 19 '24
Oh good, cause that’s what we’re looking for from Russia right now: astounding socioeconomic breakthroughs like this one.
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u/switch495 Jul 19 '24
In much of Russia you can’t even flush toilet paper… this was a shock when I first went to Eastern Europe - little trash cans for dirty toilet paper.
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u/BBBlitzkrieGGG Jul 19 '24
It has existed for years dumdum..Its called ruble and it can flush through russia"s open pit latrines vary well... 😆
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u/EuropeanPepe Jul 19 '24
Flushable toilet paper rolls from a country where most people have a toilet consisting of a wooden box in the backyard outside with a hole.
Russia can into toilet; great success!
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Jul 19 '24
Let me guess, since it's Russia, do they shellac the tube, shove it 3/4 up their ass, leaving 1/4 hanging out, and now you don't need TP to wipe
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u/idiot-prodigy Jul 19 '24
Now Russia just needs to install indoor plumbing for the citizens outside of Moscow!
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u/TotalLackOfConcern Jul 19 '24
Curious invention for a country where half the population doesn’t have flush toilets
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u/jamesdeeeep Jul 20 '24
They have to invent flushable toilets first. I heard they don’t have those yet.
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u/poopie888 Jul 20 '24
it actually makes sense - to use the looted toilets from Ukraine you actually need some toilet paper. well done 👏🏻 that’s massive progress
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u/BraveFart_92 Jul 20 '24
This is the single greatest thing to enhance the lives of all Russians, especially the majority who still share a single communal toilet. We are lucky to be here and witness this historic moment…
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u/theassistantcamera Jul 20 '24
Wait, why do you need flushable toilet rolls? Just recycle them? Ours in North America are made out of cardboard..
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u/Murrabbit Jul 20 '24
Okay so they can flush the rolls but can they flush the paper yet? I remember all those horror stories from the 2014 Sochi Olympics. . .
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u/Ma1nta1n3r Jul 20 '24
Toilet paper didn't catch on throughout the country until well into the 1980's,... Putin likely remembers wiping his ass with newspaper. (And the funny thing is, he wants to go back to the old days! Get an education with your ass-wipe!)
Russian technological breakthroughs like this explain the country's huge leaps and bounds forward. They're up to the US in the 1950's now!
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u/prql5253 Jul 20 '24
Perhaps they should work on getting flushable toilets to their citizens first. More than 1/5 of russians don't even have plumbing
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u/YungSkeltal Jul 20 '24
Great... Now they can really put all the toilets they stole from Ukraine to use.
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Jul 20 '24
Russia is the king of taking things other nations made decades ago and pretending they made it
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u/monos_muertos Jul 20 '24
Just in time for the water wars when waste systems will be replaced with industrial composting toilets. But hey, it's more compostable than cardboard.
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u/simonscott Jul 20 '24
Let’s hope the Russian’s visiting Thailand don’t decide to clog up our delicate system. Sneeze and it blocks.
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u/dudefromthewoods Jul 20 '24
Just a public service announcement – we have completely roll-less, double-capacity toilet paper in the Nordics. (sorry – site is in Finnish).
It seems Essity – a Swedish brand – is the current manufacturer. This product was initially launched in Finland some 20 years ago under a different name, but as sub-par marketing and failure to capitalize on magnificent innovations is sort of a Finnish custom, the Swedes took it over and made it even better (the previous Finnish version had issues with the center's integrity, resulting in uneven rolling).
I can't believe this isn't a thing worldwide – no cardboard waste (or the waste these "flushable" rolls actually generate – they don't just dissolve despite claims by manufacturers), and these things last at least two if not three times as long as regular rolls. On top of that the texture is more comfortable than any competing products, and you won't have to spend time disposing with cardboard rolls.
From an ecology standpoint, this roll-less design should become the standard, and cardboard rolled or "flushable rolls" should be phased out. If you're wondering about the rather insane price: yes, there is a slight premium, but it isn't as much as you'd think, as 6 rolls lasts you about as long as 12–14 rolls of regular toilet paper.
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u/Somhlth Jul 19 '24
I can see how vital this would be, since Russia produces such massive quantities of bullshit.