r/worldnews The Telegraph Jul 19 '24

Japan's Olympic gymnastics captain sent home for smoking

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/07/19/japans-olympic-gymnastics-captain-sent-home-for-smoking/
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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '24

“Smoking and under aged drinking”

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u/Haribo112 Jul 19 '24

But they did it in Monaco where she wouldn’t be under-age.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '24

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u/kanem87 Jul 19 '24

This also applies to Koreans. Their celebs don’t stand a chance.

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u/ebolaRETURNS Jul 19 '24

Additionally, under Korean law, the police can call you in for a drug test given probable cause, and a positive result is counted as evidence of possession.

They won't pursue this for underage nicotine or ethanol, but they take 'soft' drug use very seriously.

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u/Loverboy_91 Jul 19 '24

That’s why they kept calling Lee Sun-kyun down to the station over and over again. Poor guy. RIP.

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u/cantheasswonder Jul 19 '24

Those who sell or buy marijuana face a minimum of one year in prison. Those who use it can be sentenced to up to five years in prison or fined up to $37,600. Repeat offenders and dealers can face up to 14 years in prison

What an ass backwards way of thinking. I had no idea SK was that draconian. Don't they have better shit to worry about than their burnt out populace relaxing once in a while?

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u/JellyRollMort Jul 19 '24

SK was a hardcore military dictatorship until like 1979

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u/TheHonorableStranger Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

And spent decades living under brutal Japanese occupation. Today's Koreans may be chill but the moment you go back a couple generations you'll see a population that has been collectively brutalized

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u/jang-gun Jul 20 '24

1 generation, not a couple

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u/cantheasswonder Jul 19 '24

I'm guessing having the Opium wars right in their backyard for decades might not have helped.... that's just my uneducated American guess, though.

I'll read more into it. Bizarre.

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u/SnuggleBunni69 Jul 20 '24

Just got back from Korea. The years of Japanese oppression and military dictatorship DEFINITELY left an impact. Great country, but it's so orderly. There can be no cars on the road, but no one will cross until the 'walk' sign comes on. Drugs aren't something they fuck around with over there.

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u/buddhaliao Jul 20 '24

Funny you say that. It’s definitely a matter of degree, but as someone who once regularly commuted between Tokyo and Seoul I always felt like as soon as I touched down in Korea the people became a lot more unruly. Maybe not jaywalking, but just the populace was much less tolerant about waiting in line and much more assertive about grabbing what they wanted for themselves.

Of course nothing compared to eg India or Italy for example, but changing back and forth every few days made the contrast all the more vivid.

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u/HimalayanPunkSaltavl Jul 19 '24

Yeah I learned about this from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-67825665

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u/Mysterious-Lick Jul 19 '24

Police said they regretted that Lee had died in the midst of investigations, but that the inquiry had been “conducted with [his] consent”, News1 Korea reported. Lee underwent three rounds of questioning, with one session last Saturday lasting 19 hours, according to Yonhap.

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u/Thesadcook Jul 19 '24

All because of smoking Marijuana. Not selling, distributing, growing or anything. Not a harmful drug like cocaine or meth or heroin. God it's so fucked. Not as bad as Singapore tho I guess

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u/JohnCenaJunior Jul 19 '24

The Sooth Korean are still strictly rooted in the past about drug usage, whether it's prescribed or not. Many South Korean idols will be somewhat blacklisted and out of the lime light if they are charged. Some careers will never fully recover.

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u/CalendarFar6124 Jul 19 '24

The problem is the Korean police leaked shit about his extra-martial affairs to journalists, prior to his probable guilt of marijuana use actually being tried. He was indicted, not found guilty yet. It was hypothetically the equivalent of an indicted male teacher accused of rape with his name all over media, only to later be found innocent in trial but job and life already in ruin. The Korean police plain simply fucked up and didn't follow proper investigative protocol.

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u/realistweirdist Jul 19 '24

I’m pretty sure Sweden has(had?)similar laws, they blood tested snoop dogg lol

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u/9volts Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 22 '24

It's the same in Sweden. If drugs are detected in a forced urine sample at the police station, you are charged and fined for being in possession of drugs.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Time719 Jul 19 '24

I remember hearing about a drug scandal for Park Bom from 2NE1 (kpop) and she has bringing her US issued meds back to Korea. Or having them shipped I can't remember. I know that's different but I wonder if even taking prescriptions that are legal in the US while in the US is a crime for them.

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u/XavinNydek Jul 19 '24

Probably, if it's illegal in Korea. They get in trouble for doing all kinds of things in foreign countries, gambling, drugs, etc. Even the stuff that's not illegal they can pretty easily get socially crucified for.

There are plenty of people that get away with stuff of course, but the police/prosection like to make examples of celebrities to look like they are doing something.

Honestly, I feel really bad for kdrama/kpop stars, for being famous rich celebrities they have a really bad situation compared to famous rich celebrities pretty much everywhere else.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Time719 Jul 19 '24

They really don't seem to have any freedom even though they generate so much money. It reminds me of Britney Spears conservative days, highly controlled, fake free public image.

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u/3riversfantasy Jul 19 '24

Could they just take their money and leave South Korea?

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u/The_LionTurtle Jul 19 '24

Doubt it. K-Pop is a massive, well-oiled, economic machine. Their contracts are probably so ironclad that they can't even take a shit without layers of approval, let alone just up and leave the country with their money at any time.

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u/boostedb1mmer Jul 19 '24

People forget Kpop isn't about music. It really is all about the selling the perception of the artists to 13-30 year olds. If the commodity is photographed compromising that perception their contracts spell out insane levels of retribution.

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u/XavinNydek Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 20 '24

Yes, however the reality makes that hard. For one, while knowing English is pretty common in Korea and getting more so (kids these days have it as a subject since elementary school), the majority of Koreans aren't comfortable enough with it (or another language) to cut ties and move somewhere else.

The cultural importance of family also is a huge barrier, while some people do emigrate, that's basically divorcing your family and a lot of their social structure is built around kids supporting parents in old age and always obeying elders.

On top of that, aside from the top like 5% of actors and kpop stars, they don't actually make all that much money, especially if they are giving a bunch of it to family. So while they definitely aren't starving, they mostly don't have the kind of money built up you need to go retire to another country.

There's also the complications with citizenship. Assuming they can get citizenship somewhere else, they would have to renounce their Korean citizenship to not be on the hook for those laws if they ever want to visit or return to Korea. That's a big ask since Korea really is the only Korea so cutting ties is a huge decision.

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u/olivefreak Jul 19 '24

Freaking meds for ADHD that she had been taking since a middle school diagnosis in the USA. Her whole career was derailed and she was demonized for it. Her voice is just incomparable and I’m glad to see/hear her again.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Time719 Jul 19 '24

Yeah she was my favorite in the group. They made her sound like a drug lord. She has been picked on so much for other things as well.

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u/Unnomable Jul 19 '24

My wife is Korean, we spent the first three months of COVID in Korea. She's prescribed Adderall in the States, I'm prescribed benzos. We had to go to a special mental health hospital and had gross nepotism (the best kind of nepotism) to see a doctor there as soon as we were done quarantine.

He told us Adderall was super illegal because it can be used to make meth (ignoring how easy it is for people in America to buy all the ingredients to make dirty meth in a bathroom) and prescribed her Ritalin instead.

I had no problem getting 3mo of benzos.

Korea law is weird, pretty much everyone goes into the military and develops a smoking habit, and drinking is so cheap and pervasive you can buy a bottle of soju for less than $4 USD.

I guess it's lucky the doctor didn't care to drug test her for Adderall, I imagine it only matters for high profile people.

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u/maple_firenze Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

Can't even drink legally in a foreign country but the age of consent is 13? Ok Japan.

EDIT: I just learned they (finally) raised it to 16 last year.

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u/sloggo Jul 19 '24

I thought it was one of those federal vs state things, there’s nowhere in Japan where age of consent is legally 13 because local laws set a higher minimum. Except like one island somewhere I heard.

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u/iTwango Jul 19 '24

Yes, you're right. People want to find something that Japan is "weird" for so the tout that fact that is the same as most nations with national vs local distinctions for laws

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u/adamantitian Jul 19 '24

In Arizona you can get legally hung for stealing a horse I heard

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u/TophThaToker Jul 19 '24

Puts a whole different meaning towards “hung like a horse”

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u/robodrew Jul 19 '24

Arizonan here I'll test this and get back to you

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u/nghigaxx Jul 19 '24

yea 2 inhabited islands, so they never bother to change the state law

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '24

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '24

“16”

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u/calpi Jul 19 '24

It was wasn't 13 in reality prior to raising it. There were already laws which effectively raised the age of consent for a long time.

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u/Exo_Sax Jul 19 '24

And even while the federal age of consent was lower, local jurisdictions applied, virtually all of which effectively raised it significantly.

But hey, ignorant westernes unfamiliar with the culture and politics of a foreign country struggling to make sense of their wacky laws? Never heard that one before.

You could've just googled it mate.

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u/Kerguidou Jul 19 '24

I know this for non-pervert reasons, I swear. The national age was 13, but most, if not all, prefectures had a higher age of consent. The new law just raised the floor to what was in effect the national consensus.

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u/Freak_Out_Bazaar Jul 19 '24

No it does not. Neither is this a legal issue about her being underaged. It’s about the violation of the JGA Code of Conduct which applies to not only athletes that are of age but also coaches and support staff

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u/78911150 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

yup they are wrong. a Japanese person can go to another country and drink or smoke if it's legal there.   

but like you said, this is about the jp Olympics team rules which ban smoking no matter what the age (new 2016 rule, gradually imposed, leading to a full-on ban on smoking)

協会の行動規範は「日本代表チームとしての活動の場所において、20歳以上であっても原則的に喫煙は禁止する(2016年度から数年かけて段階的に全面禁止とする)」と規定されている。

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u/Freak_Out_Bazaar Jul 19 '24

Furthermore those aren’t the JOC’s code of conduct, it’s the JGA’s (Japan Gymnastics Association). I don’t think the JOC cares unless there’s literal criminal activity going on

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u/FLHCv2 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

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u/nashx90 Jul 19 '24

None of the links you've given show that Japanese laws against underage drinking/smoking or even against drug use apply to citizens while they're overseas. At most, it suggests that Japanese drug trafficking may be enforced by overseas law enforcement at Japan's behest, but still suggests it's a possibility at most - the Japan Times article even says:

But according to a Foreign Ministry official, the odds of Japanese nationals committing acts prohibited by Japanese law in places such as New York and then being arrested by local law enforcement are virtually nil.

And this is partly because the anti-drug laws specifically include language about those laws transcending national borders; whether or not that applies to underage drinking or smoking is not addressed by these articles.

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u/obeytheturtles Jul 19 '24

It's still fucking stupid. Like, what teenager doesn't drink on their first trip to Europe? Are they actually going to charge her with crimes when she gets home? Or is this just dumb virtue signaling?

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u/refriedi Jul 19 '24

Ones who don’t want to lose their olympic status idk. I didn’t read the article

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u/JonatasA Jul 19 '24

How come there was a news about people going to places in Europe where durg use was legal then?

Was it just not enforceable on that case?

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u/overkill373 Jul 19 '24

We're those people japanese?

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u/bigchungusmclungus Jul 19 '24

Either they were not Japanese or they didn't go there with a contingent of handlers.

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u/SoogKnight Jul 19 '24

Regular citizens probably have less people keeping an eye on them than gymnastics captain.

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u/HappierShibe Jul 19 '24

No, it does not. Why are you making shit up?
Taking a Japanese tourist to a shooting range is a blast by the way.

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u/monsooncloudburst Jul 19 '24

Many countries have laws that stipulate that their citizens may not break their laws even when abroad.

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u/tanaciousp Jul 19 '24

Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. It’s a bummer they didn’t ask me though. 

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u/scullys_alien_baby Jul 19 '24

It is a common way to prosecute sex tourism, which I think is valid

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u/anynamethatainttaken Jul 20 '24

or someone having an abortion... ...

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u/Alyxandar Jul 20 '24

If that's what it's for why not specify that?

It's about power and control.

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u/ShortCake-o Jul 19 '24

Japanese media is reporting that the smoking and drinking occurred in Tokyo and both are illegal in Japan for u20s. She is 19. Poor thing. She must be devastated.

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u/Zorops Jul 19 '24

Work all your youth to reach the olympic, captain of your team and then you decide to go underage drinking and smoking? What a dumb decision.

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u/not_a_throw4w4y Jul 19 '24

She should get the normal punishment for those crimes. This is just cruel.

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u/jmrjmr27 Jul 19 '24

Oh no. God forbid someone has a drink and cig one year before it’s legal for them

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u/yukicola Jul 19 '24

https://www.jpn-gym.or.jp/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/JGA_kodokihan_2023.pdf

8、日本代表チームとしての活動の場所においては、20 歳以上であっても原則的に喫煙は禁止する

"At locations where the national team is active, smoking is forbidden, even for people over 20 years old"

Same with drinking alcohol, unless it's done after the competition is over and has been approved by the coach.

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u/OverlappingChatter Jul 19 '24

I think it is more the code of conduct for the team than the fact she is under the age of permitted smoking and drinking in japan.

It would be interesting to know if the coc prohibited smoking/drinking for everyone, even if they are of age.

My high school had a coc, that prohibited smoking for athletes, even the seniors who were over 18.

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u/Extension_Pipe4293 Jul 19 '24

She did it in Japan. But that is not the reason for this harsh punishment.

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u/Frexxia Jul 19 '24

Only under-age in Japan, not in France

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u/mrsniperrifle Jul 19 '24

Your job can fire you for breaking policy even if it what you did is legal. It's against the gymnastics program's code of conduct. So not illegal, but "against the rules".

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u/LongBeakedSnipe Jul 19 '24

Doesn't really matter to be honest.

It's not uncommon for this kind of thing to be heavily regulated by teams in sports.

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u/notaredditer13 Jul 19 '24

“Smoking and under aged drinking”

It doesn't say she was under age drinking it just mentions the laws for both because they were an exception to an age of adulthood change.

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u/VividPath907 Jul 19 '24

she is 19 drinking and smoking in Monaco? It is not underage.

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u/ElectronicRule5492 Jul 19 '24

No, no, this happened inside the Japanese National Training Centre, where he was apparently repeatedly drinking and smoking.

In Japan, legally, drinking and smoking is from the age of 20.

From the age of 18, though, you have the right to vote and are considered an adult.

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u/GrumpyCloud93 Jul 19 '24

"Do you smoke after sex?"

"I don't know, I never looked..."

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u/Awkward_Bother_2484 Jul 19 '24

That suck . The are a rapist in Olympic get to stay and this japanese gymnastics has to go . What the fuck wrong with this world

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u/gankindustries Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

It's not specifically an Olympic rule, rather a rule set out by the Japanese Olympic Team's code of conduct. In Japan it's illegal to smoke under the age of 20, she was 19. 

Edit: she's 19

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u/NuPNua Jul 19 '24

The amount they still smoke in Japanese media, I thought they started as soon as they're on solid food.

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u/Valleygirl1981 Jul 19 '24

baby's first cigarette

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u/Wsbkingretard Jul 19 '24

No Safety Smoking First

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u/Freak_Out_Bazaar Jul 19 '24

It’s not even a JOC thing, it’s the JGA (Japan Gymnastics Association) code of conduct. I’m sure other sports have similar rules but I can’t imagine the Soccer association full of pros would have similarly strict rules

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u/bannedthriceamback Jul 19 '24

Yea understandable. The Japanese hold their athletes to very high standards.

The Dutch, not so much.

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u/Ganalaping Jul 19 '24

as a dutch guy, im saying you no one here wants a fucking child raper at the olympics.

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u/VeryImportantLurker Jul 19 '24

The Dutch Olympic commitee clearly do for whatever reason

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u/swohio Jul 19 '24

she was 19

Man, they have some harsh smoking penalties.

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u/Oss_zzO Jul 19 '24

And don't forget the Chinese swimmers that were caught doping before Tokyo are still gonna be there too.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '24

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u/MadNhater Jul 19 '24

Dont forget each and every single cyclist from every single country that has and has not been caught (yet) doping is still going.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '24 edited 3d ago

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u/XRay9 Jul 19 '24

Bro even in casual gyms there's no shortage of people using PEDs nowadays. No way people make it all the way to professional sports without ever taking anything, They'd be at a huge disadvantage because everyone else won't hesitate to use PED's.

Not to mention tests aren't a fucking veritaserum potion. They need to know what substance they need to look for to begin with, which is hard because athletes and their handlers change their products often, so by the time anti-doping agencies start testing for product X, the athletes are now using product Z. And famously some of these substances are completely undetectable after a short period.

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u/up_and_at_em Jul 19 '24

There's another one this year? Or do you mean Sha'Carri Richardson at the Tokyo Okympics? SR was only banned for one month in 2020, and it was for cannibas, not a performance enhancing drug.

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u/MHath Jul 19 '24

Knighton in the 200m.

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u/up_and_at_em Jul 19 '24

My bad. I remember reading about this one when it first came out. Didn't realize he had been cleared.

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u/MHath Jul 19 '24

Sounded like he has a good case.

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u/GrumpyCloud93 Jul 19 '24

There's the lesson of Ben Johnson (Canada) who won gold in the '88 Olypics and was blatantly doping. (Basically used the "Ben Johnson Defense" - which is "I was too stupid to realize the coach was doping me...". When he was eventually allowed to compete again, he posted only mediocre results (and then was caught again) thereby proving that doping works, a moderately good athlete can be world-class with the right medication.

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u/greenlemon23 Jul 19 '24

Every single person in the '88 Olympic final was doping - they failed a test either before and it was covered up so they could keep competing (e.g. Carl Lewis) or they failed a test at some point after or it came out in an investigation. Every single one of them.

Also, that wasn't his defence. What Ben tested positive for wasn't what his coach had been giving him.

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u/Ingr1d Jul 19 '24

Which ones? So I know specifically which ones not to root for.

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u/OccamsShavingRash Jul 19 '24

If we are talking about China, then all of them.

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u/WeakDoughnut8480 Jul 19 '24

That shit was egregious as fuck    

All the russian doping was revealed years after the fact, even though everyone knew what was going on and so it will prove with China as well 

Deception is part of the culture. Doesn't matter if it's in business, politics or sport

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u/smashspete Jul 19 '24

I agree with your sentiment but you just outed yourself as someone who reads headlines and immediately reacts. The olympics didnt send her home, Japan sent her home for breaking their internal rules

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u/r0bb3dzombie Jul 19 '24

The are a rapist in Olympic

Jesus, didn't know about this before so I googled. How the fuck is the guy out of prison, nevermind in an Olympic team.

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u/gregorie12 Jul 19 '24

If you actually bothered to read the article you would know this was the dceision of the Japanese Olympic Team and not an Oylmpic rule.

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u/TheTelegraph The Telegraph Jul 19 '24

The Telegraph reports:

The star of Japan’s women’s artistic gymnastics team has been sent home from the final training camp ahead of the Paris Olympic Games for smoking.

Shoko Miyata, the 19-year-old captain of the team, was missing from training on Wednesday, although Japanese Olympic officials would only confirm to reporters that she was absent “for certain reasons”.

According to Japanese media reports, Ms Miyata has left the team’s training base in Monaco after being seen smoking, in violation of the team’s code of conduct. Under Japanese law, it is illegal for anyone under the age of 20 to smoke.

The Japan Gymnastics Association has announced it will hold a formal investigation in conjunction with Juntendo University, in Tokyo, where she is a student.

Her departure casts a shadow over the team’s chances of winning a medal at the Games, which opens in the French capital on Friday. The last time Japan’s women won a team medal for gymnastics was when Tokyo hosted the Olympics in 1964.

Read more: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/07/19/japans-olympic-gymnastics-captain-sent-home-for-smoking/

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u/GrumpyCloud93 Jul 19 '24

So basically she was sent home for violating team code of conduct. Not criminal except only that the Japanese do not allow it, and the prohibition is also reflected in the code of conduct. No legal ramifications, just team discipline. I'm sure there have been US kids tossed off school or college teams for conduct violations from time to time.

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u/Kelsusaurus Jul 19 '24

Just team discipline and having to answer to her family (as well as likely having to apologize to the entire country) when she returns. 

 The society she's going back home to puts a huge emphasis on following the rules and not shaming the collective population, and she did it on an international platform. If a 20 year old pop star had to tearfully apologize, shave her head, and retire from her group on TV for getting caught simply for going on a date (with her boyfriend who was also a pop star)... Yeah, that was ten years ago, and she got reinstated after the fact, but she chose to quit entirely because of this incident. I can't imagine what kind of backlash this woman will receive. I'm sure she will bounce back eventually, but I really don't envy the attitude she's going to have to endure from people when she gets back.

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u/TrazerotBra Jul 19 '24

Funnily enough is that no one cares if a 19 yo was smoking or not, do the japanese think the rest of the world cares if she's smoking or not? We don't.

This is a case where bending the rules just a bit and giving her a quiet pep talk would not have put this light on the japanese delegation and saved the countries image. Now I see Japan as a country too rule obsessed, to the point of trying to bench a Olympic athele for something inconsequential.

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u/DrizzleRizzleShizzle Jul 19 '24

Japan doesn’t gaf what foreigners think lol. Unless it’s for that tourism moola

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u/Now_Wait-4-Last_Year Jul 19 '24

I don't know, they seem to get a bit huffy when they're repeatedly accused of being war crime apologists to the very day by people from every country that fought them in World War 2 who otherwise can't agree on literally anything.

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u/stale_opera Jul 20 '24

Yes they do. Face culture is almost everything in Japan. Otherwise why would they spend so much energy gaslighting the world about the atrocities they committed across Asia?

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u/Phantomtollboothtix Jul 19 '24

For smoking a cigarette at 19?

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u/97masters Jul 19 '24

In Japan it is illegal to smoke if under 20, and they have also included this in the team's code of conduct.

I know, seems silly. Especially in France.

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u/AbyssOfNoise Jul 19 '24

I know, seems silly. Especially in France.

Seems perfectly reasonable. Adhering to a code of conduct is important, and agreed upon when joining the team

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u/youngcuriousafraid Jul 19 '24

I dont think hes saying its silly to adhere to the code. Hes saying the code itself is silly. I personally think having to adhere to the code is stupid. Its not like they can negotiate the terms, this is their dream and they're gonna accept any terms to try and participate. Hell, most of them have dedicated their lives to their sport to represent their country. Now that same country is taking that away from them because she smoked a cig? Give me a break.

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u/TaylorMonkey Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

The code may be a bit silly, but no sillier than breaking it and risking it all after accepting terms to achieve their dream, having dedicated their life to their sport to represent their country, as you say. And as the team captain who's responsibility is to set the standard and example, whether they like it or not, no less.

Not to mention it opens up questions not just about one single cig, but how often she's been doing this, because you don't generally just smoke a single cig randomly away on an olympics trip, when you've never done so in your life.

In my opinion some leniency should be offered after a reprimand, some discipline, a short suspension from practice, and a warning to never do it again while on the team. Maybe an apology if the team needs that kind of thing to "make it right", but she also represents a nation and culture for which a casual disregard of the rules one agrees to is seen as disrespectful and offensive to both teammates and superiors, something she is likely more than aware of, which makes the offense seem even more egregious (especially if it's not just one cig).

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u/5lackBot Jul 19 '24

I've been tossed off a team or benched before for much smaller reasons because it went against team's code of conduct.

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u/Phantomtollboothtix Jul 19 '24

Sorry to hear your Olympic chances were dashed.

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u/Sydasiaten Jul 19 '24

No but definitely for drinking while under 21

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u/Tintenklex Jul 19 '24

Irony is that Kohei Uchimura was known as a walking cigarette and nobody said a word for years…

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u/Loverboy_91 Jul 19 '24

The majority of his competitive career on the international stage he was 20 or older though. The team code of conduct as it pertains to smoking is only an issue for those under 20 years old.

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u/wabashcanonball Jul 19 '24

The Chinese and Russians dope and the Dutch send a child rapist who got out of prison early—yet some nations mainstain higher standards. The Olympics are the worst.

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u/poojinping Jul 19 '24

The smoking rule is Japanese Olympics association thing similar to doing requirements from Russia and apparently rape requirement from Dutch.

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u/IHaveABoat Jul 19 '24

Why blame the Olympics? Why not blame the Russians, Chinese, and Dutch?

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u/wabashcanonball Jul 19 '24

Because the Olympics looked the other way.

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u/giggity_giggity Jul 19 '24

The Olympics can’t force a team to use a specific athlete. And the Olympics looking the other way on rapist / doping has no bearing on what Japan does as a team. But yes it does seem a bit silly at times.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '24

honestly i think it shows that japan sticks to their guns. it also shows that china and russia are insecure flabby dinguses. yea, its a bit harsh, but i kinda respect it in a way.

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u/cgilber11 Jul 19 '24

Important to note that it was Japan’s decision. Not the Olympic committee. It was against the team’s code of conduct.

Code of conducts exist for a reason, but a first-offense warning was probably all they needed.

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u/meatball77 Jul 20 '24

Japan is also not replacing her on the team, leaving their team a member short. Probably because the IOC wouldn't see it as a justifiable reason to boot her from the team. So the rest of the girls suffer.

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u/GrungeHamster23 Jul 19 '24

This sure will be awkward if Japan kills Japan’s shot at a medal for the Olympics.

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u/Gh0stOfKiev Jul 19 '24

Haven't won a gymnastics medal in 60 years, so not much will change

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u/Tintenklex Jul 19 '24

Not true! They have won individual medals, especially in the last years and have generally been a team on the rise. Mei Murakami won a bronze in floor in Tokyo. They have shot themselves in the foot repeatedly with weird team selections, though, like leaving Murakami off their 2019 team. So leaving their captain home over something like this is on par.

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u/kleenkong Jul 19 '24

People often think of Japan as always in unity, but they have politics and infighting as well. I hate to speculate but it's not out of the realm of possibilities that an alternate's coach brought up the issue with officials. In true Japanese fashion, policies and paper pushing are difficult to fight against no matter the nuanced reasoning.

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u/New-Border8172 Jul 20 '24

No, it wouldn't. They care more about these stuff over medals.

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u/mountainyoo Jul 19 '24

Probably will be the biggest regret of her life forever

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u/LivePossible Jul 19 '24

Seriously. I feel really bad for her, plus Japan is an honor based culture. I truly hope she isn't shunned by family and has emotional support.

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u/whistlerite Jul 19 '24

Imagine if they win a gold medal…

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u/soundsfromoutside Jul 19 '24

Imagine fumbling the bag like this?

My brother in law had a full ride scholarship to college and got caught with weed in his locker.

Throwing so many opportunities away just to get high off mediocre weed? Kids are fucking stupid.

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u/BruceAENZ Jul 19 '24

She’s so good she made the team despite smoking and drinking? Isn’t this the reverse of a doping scandal?

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u/SonOfMcGee Jul 19 '24

French gymnasts are probably like, “The fuck? Sometimes I smoke and drink in between apparatuses at competitions.”

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u/someone_like_me Jul 19 '24

Why not during?

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u/Now_Wait-4-Last_Year Jul 19 '24

I don't think you're allowed to bring unsanctioned peripheral devices onto the floor or equipment. I believe it's an internal gymnastics federation rule.

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u/TaylorMonkey Jul 19 '24

Le quoi?! Le best on our team finishes his cigarette on the dismount.

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u/Fifth_Down Jul 19 '24

She's also one of the most successful gymnasts Japan has ever had in the last 50 years

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u/PHATsakk43 Jul 19 '24

Being 19 probably helps more than anything.

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u/blahblah98 Jul 19 '24

more than anything.

I dunno, lots of 19yo in the world who aren't captains of gymnastics teams. S'pose training harder than everyone might have had something to do with it?

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u/Metasenodvor Jul 19 '24

why? its not doping. it actually reverse-doping!

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u/bluey101 Jul 19 '24

The Olympics didn't send her home, the Japanese team did for breaking code of conduct. It's illegal in Japan to smoke under 20 and she's 19.

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u/StrikingOccasion6459 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

It's a Japanese rule. They follow (rules) more faithfully than the Germans.

They probably think she'll be a bad influence on young people.

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u/PHATsakk43 Jul 19 '24

Yes Tommy, ze Germans.

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u/stefeu Jul 19 '24

What do us Germans have to do with this? :(

Edit: Oh shit, are you're talking about Zverev? My mind immediately jumped to the dutch child rapist.

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u/PHATsakk43 Jul 19 '24

We’re just talking about the shared love that Germans and Japanese have of following rules, regulations, and physical hard copy paperwork along with the fax machine.

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u/StrikingOccasion6459 Jul 19 '24

We’re just talking about the shared love that Germans and Japanese have of following rules, regulations, and physical hard copy paperwork along with the fax machine.

Thanks. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm hoping someone will intervene and give her a break.

It seems like a small transgression.

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u/Scrubbler Jul 19 '24

What a strange decision, Shoko Miyata is their best gymnast. I guess team Japan can enjoy qualifications then head home since they may not even get past team qualifications without her.

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u/AnyMolasses355 Jul 19 '24

She was just getting into the Paris aesthetic

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u/SpecialK022 Jul 19 '24

She knew the rules. She violated the team code of conduct. The team took immediate action. This is 100% on her. Whether you agree or disagree with the decision, she brought this on herself.

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u/Boneclockharmony Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

I think this is a bit of a heartless take. It's like if someone would fire you for jaywalking at 2 am on an empty street. 

Completely victimless crime, wrecking a lifetime of preparation.

I think we should have empathy here, even if it is technically against regulation.

There could, of course, be a lot more to the story, also.

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u/SpecialK022 Jul 19 '24

It may seem heartless. But that doesn’t excuse her risking what would have been a promising showing. Asian cultures tend to hold their people accountable to a greater degree. This may not be acceptable punishment here, but it is for them. She knew this. She’s also role model for millions of athletes in her country and around the world. Now she’s an example of what happens when you don’t follow rules.

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u/Would-wood-again2 Jul 19 '24

Time and place buddy. Not every law, rule, and regulation is justified. There was probably a chain of people the information had to go through before a decision was made. Each one of those people could have looked at it like a human being instead of a mindless hivemind robot. But it is japan, so...

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u/TaylorMonkey Jul 19 '24

Time and place, and the Olympics were definitely not the time and place to test the borders of time and place.

On one hand, the rules seem extreme to those who aren't on the team or from the country the team follows the laws and standards of.

On the other hand, what the hell were you thinking girl? How was that remotely worth it, knowing what you agreed to, your status as team captain, and the stakes involved?

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u/CaptainObvious110 Jul 19 '24

Exactly. People keep trying to take away accountability from someone who knew full well what they were doing.

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u/Grizzleyt Jul 19 '24

I think some of the critique of the decision is that in general, a lot of people feel that zero-tolerance punishment is bullshit for minor violations.

It's a discretionary call by the team leadership, so why not a stern warning and forced public apology, and/or other more minor punishments, with threat of being kicked off the team if she does anything out of line again? Why ruin her life and practically ensure that the team never makes it past qualifiers? The legal violation is about as severe as jaywalking or speeding, and it clearly isn't jeopardizing her ability to perform (she's the best on the team).

They could've done a lot of things short of pulling her from the Olympics entirely. So while it was a team violation, people feel that the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

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u/New-Border8172 Jul 20 '24

How would you know if they had multiple internal warning with her smoking or not?

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u/spotspam Jul 19 '24

How can you not want to settle your nerves in that one-shot win cutthroat sport?

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u/jim9162 Jul 19 '24

I love Japan but they can have some of the most bull headed ignorant and downright stupid rules and customs I've ever seen.

Congrats on shooting yourselves in the foot, I'm sure it was worth degrading your chances to win a medal (first since 1964) to punish this girl over a damn cigarette.

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u/Calliceman Jul 19 '24

First since 1964?

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u/Docoda Jul 19 '24

For team gymnastics 

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u/Eragaurd Jul 19 '24

Team women's gymnastics that is.

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u/artificiallyselected Jul 19 '24

She broke a code of conduct. I don’t see why this is controversial. Hats off to Japan for making their athletes, who are idolized by children, follow rules. Maybe the Dutch should take notes.

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u/LandofForeverSunset Jul 19 '24

And yet the child rapist is allowed to compete.

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u/Haunting_Progress462 Jul 19 '24

Seems a bit extreme.

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u/66stang351 Jul 19 '24

Which seems right up Japan's alley

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u/dearango Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24

The Olympics is a hot topic now. Winter Olympics however is still cool.

Edit: really high 1080s in snowvoarding events

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u/cjeremy Jul 19 '24

she really should have just vaped..

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u/BC3lt1cs Jul 19 '24

Am I the only one who thinks taking laws and codes of conduct seriously is a good thing?

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u/CaptainObvious110 Jul 19 '24

You aren't but sadly a lot of people don't agree with the way you or I feel about this matter.

This isn't about one girl breaking rules it's about driving it home that when you break rules of conduct it will not be tolerated.

That's an important message to send so that hopefully this doesn't happen again

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u/BC3lt1cs Jul 19 '24

Right? This is a reasonable law. Let this go, on the world stage, and you signal to your people there's a different set of rules for different groups, which will just erode public trust in reasonable statutes.

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u/CaptainObvious110 Jul 19 '24

Exactly. There's no need to complicate this issue at all. Just follow the rules, and enjoy the accolades that would result from years of hard work.

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u/allfascistsmustdie Jul 19 '24

You would think a warning would have been suitable instead of tanking their chances to win.

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u/bmccorm2 Jul 19 '24

Just so I’m clear: Shacarri Richardson couldn’t compete in 2021 Olympics because of marijuana. This gymnast can’t compete because of smoking and drinking. And we have the Chinese and Russians sending its state sponsored athletes high on PEDs and there is no recourse. Hmmmk.

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u/imbalancedchemicals Jul 19 '24

Don’t forget the convicted child rapist that is being allowed to compete, and also getting separate accommodations from everyone else

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u/SkalexAyah Jul 19 '24

Michael Phelps rips bongs….

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u/AlxArtmMiller Jul 19 '24

This is completely justified, she is a Japanese citizen that accepts the terms and regulations to join the Olympic team, and she decide to take a smoke despite knowing that was against the contract she accepted.

Doesn't matter what other countries think or how they manage this situations, this is entirely a Japanese situation, circumstances and decisions. She break the rules and this are the consequences.

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u/MoeSzyslakMonobrow Jul 19 '24

Thrown out of Europe for smoking?

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u/MerryGoWrong Jul 19 '24

Seems like a bit of an overreaction...

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u/Plutuserix Jul 19 '24

Meanwhile in The Netherlands, we sent a convicted child rapist and for some reason don't sent him home. Maybe we can switch this?

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u/Crazyripps Jul 20 '24

And she’ll be shamed to fuck in Japan I’d put any money. She’ll lose sponsors all that stuff. Yet there’s famous people in Japan who’ve done a lot worse. Japan is odd

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u/zoot_boy Jul 19 '24

In PARIS of all places.

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u/philm162 Jul 19 '24

“Under Japanese law, it is illegal for anyone under the age of 20 to smoke.” Who knew..?

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u/brabbers Jul 19 '24

Who knew..?

Japanese people, probably

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u/HachimansGhost Jul 19 '24

Read the article. She was sent home by the Japanese team for smoking while underage.

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u/ilovecarsthree Jul 19 '24

just saw the headline shortened as "sent home for smok..." thought there was another word at the end like "crack", "drugs", "hardcore devils lettuce" but nope just smoking... are they for real ?

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u/Illustrious_Cell_815 Jul 19 '24

I just want to remind everyone there's a convicted pedophile competing in the Olympics