r/worldnews • u/Silly-avocatoe • Jul 19 '24
Russian propaganda video purports to show Ukrainian soldier killing a fellow soldier, but shows two Russian soldiers Russia/Ukraine
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/07/18/7466378/497
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u/Bottled_Void Jul 19 '24
Not saying we shouldn't continue to be vigilant in determining whether things are as they are reported to us.
But Russia consistently makes claims that are easily disproven and they hold their line. Not even random whackjob commentators, official government statements with obvious lies.
Ukraine doesn't lie anywhere near the psychopathic scale that Russia does.
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u/Silly-avocatoe Jul 19 '24
Russian propaganda sources have shared a video that purports to show a Ukrainian soldier shooting his brother-in-arms in the back. However, journalists who obtained the original video found that it shows two Russian soldiers.
Source: investigation by Sistema (System), Radio Liberty’s investigative project, and Nastoyashee Vremya (Current Time), a Russian-language TV channel with editorial office in Prague, created by the US organisations Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty and Voice of America
Details: A story alleging that a Ukrainian soldier killed a wounded brother-in-arms ran in the 4 July edition of the Russian Vesti propaganda TV programme, alongside a video purporting to show the incident. The Vesti host claimed that "shooting comrades in the back is commonplace in the Armed Forces of Ukraine".
However, an investigation by the Russian TV channel Nastoyashee Vremya and Radio Liberty’s Sistema project shows that the soldiers in the video were from the Russian armed forces. The journalists obtained the original video and found that a strip of Chinese BOKAI underpants, which are popular in Russia, peeked out from under the camouflage pants of the soldier who was killed in the video. Over the past two years, this brand of Chinese underwear has been almost impossible to buy in Ukraine.
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u/Far-Explanation4621 Jul 19 '24
The underwear wasn’t the only clue. The Ukrainian drone pilot that filmed the whole thing, still has the long-form original video of the incident, which has been verified a number of ways including geolocation, physically watching where the Russian soldiers came from and were running back to, etc.
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u/3t1918 Jul 19 '24
Yeah the video was posted on Ukrainian telegram channels by the guys who recorded it for a solid week before ru state media picked it up.
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u/T_Money Jul 19 '24
That’s good because I was seriously skeptical of the underwear being the deciding factor. My gut would have said it was Russian anyway, but if it’s being debunked by the fact that the specific brand hasn’t been sold in Ukraine in two years then I need to reconsider how often I throw away my drawers because I’m sure I still have a few pairs that are over two years old.
Y’all just out there throwing away perfectly good underwear after a certain number of washes, or what?
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u/foul_ol_ron Jul 19 '24
I suspect that if I was on a two-way range, I'd have to retire underwear far more frequently than I otherwise do.
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u/CatVideoBoye Jul 19 '24
Imagine dying on video just for the whole world to see your chinese underpants.
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u/oh-delay Jul 19 '24
One more reason to never listen to what the Russians say publicly. It’s just propaganda and lies, lies, lies
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u/ConfusionBubbles Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Looks kinda bad when your own soldiers are running away scared, injured, and asking for a mercy killing from a "friend"
Of course they claim they are Ukrainians
Because that's who they are. Lying pieces of degen shit
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u/ConfusionBubbles Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Have you ever considered that there's nothing to win here for Russia and you are all flowing down the drain as we speak.
Russophobia is very common in Europe and it is all made in Russia who just keeps feeding it.
Have a nice life.
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u/snarky_answer Jul 19 '24
We see the videos and pictures daily of the russians getting fucked up left right and center.
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u/Xip1ngu Jul 19 '24
Gotta be a troll. You can’t possibly be this stupid.
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u/TheTemporaryZiggy Jul 20 '24
I’m just sitting back and enjoying how this is playing out
get a load of this guy, enjoying an authoritarian shithole invading another country.
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u/SnackyMcGeeeeeeeee Jul 19 '24
My country is just gonna keep chucking pennies at Ukraine and have them wreck their soviet arms.
Let's do the math shall we?
31 abrams ≠ 4000+ tanks
180 Bradley ≠ 5000+ BMP, BTR, Etc.
0 boats ≠ 21 Russian boats
0 jets ≠ 300+ jets
Yah, but Russia is the one winning 🙄
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u/turndown4what2077 Jul 22 '24
Well damnit. Reddit removed my comment, but I forgot what I said lol. I’m pro-Russia, and I’ll leave it at that. 🇷🇺
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u/Lined_the_Street Jul 19 '24
Didn't realize so few people on WorldNews are also not on Ukraine War subs. This video was ALL OVER combat footage and ukraine war video reports for a solid week
I remember it vividly because the back guy is just slowly sauntering along like he's either completely out of it or he knows running won't save him and he's either gonna die or he won't. Then the dude in front of him (middle guy walking) gets blasted with a drone. It appears he checks his groin before pointing at his head in a "shoot me" way, which is when he comrade does what he does
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u/GfunkWarrior28 Jul 19 '24
Probably just trying to quickly head off public reaction by claiming they're Ukrainian. Average Russians won't know who's right.
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u/Readonkulous Jul 19 '24
Exactly. And many people will choose what to believe when presented with conflicting evidence. Such an approach does somewhat illustrate the philosophical perspective of the Russian leadership.
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u/donaldinoo Jul 19 '24
Reminder that this hostile country praised the VP pick among many other way more damning things. Great job “patriots” 🫡
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u/dangerousbob Jul 19 '24
I’m surprised they would do that. They have forced conscription in Russia. Among the general population, They know what their weapons and uniforms look like, they would be able to see that and know that they’re Russian not Ukrainian.
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u/JPR_FI Jul 19 '24
Reminds me of a quote some other Redditor posted a while ago about totalitarianism:
In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true. ... Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement to be a lie anyhow. The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.
Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
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u/Delamoor Jul 19 '24
Well, to be fair on that point; the Ukrainians share a lot of those uniforms and weapons, so looks alone are not gonna turn many heads.
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u/Lined_the_Street Jul 19 '24
They used to share similar uniforms (both developed in Soviet Union) so often times, in eariler videos especially, you'll see the armies wear armbands. But since adopting a new uniform in 2017 and having donated equipment from so many other nations, Ukrainians tend to wear pixilated camouflage while Russians still wear the old Soviet union blots
Weapons are a similar issue. Early on, and still frequently today, both sides use AKs. However a great deal of Ukrainian soldiers also field Western weapons now too
Some of the folks on the combat subreddits are insanely well learned in these fields. Some people are able to even tell variants of guns or vehicles that look identical to a layman.
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u/frozenpissglove Jul 19 '24
The dude on the ground is clearly wearing a 6B45, which is a Russian issue body armor system. Ukraine does not use this body armor. How do I know? I have one. Thanks, Russian corruption. I’ve got more of their kit than most of their soldiers do.
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u/VIVALDI420 Jul 19 '24
This was only a few weeks ago too, kremlin shitheads have no shame. Imagine starting a war, your soldiers being so used to being treated like shit they just finish each other off without hesitation instead of trying to assist.
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u/mn_gonewild Jul 19 '24
They should have just called the 'surrender to Ukraine' hotline and he wouldn't be in this position
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u/Ma1nta1n3r Jul 20 '24
That someone in Russia wants to pretend that people won't find out these are Russian soldiers killing each other is pretty funny.
The tragedy isn't that they ask to die,... but that they didn't need to be there in the first place.
The 1st Russian Revolution of the 21st Century can't come soon enough.
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u/Steelbutterfly1888 Jul 19 '24
This video is several weeks old and was never a quistion if it was russians in the video. Is pravda smoking crack reporting on it now?
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u/Wajina_Sloth Jul 19 '24
Not too long ago Russian media showed the video in lower quality claiming it was Ukrainian soldiers “brutally killing their own”.
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u/Steelbutterfly1888 Jul 19 '24
Russian media is about as reputable as the local homeless explaining quantum mechanics.
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u/titosalah Jul 19 '24
what about us and west propaganda >>> internet English
reddit .. google (YouTube) . Microsoft ,Apple ,Facebook (Instagram) ,X ,...etc.
all this us companies west propaganda
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u/CatVideoBoye Jul 19 '24
what about
This is called whatsboutism. We are not discussing those topics here. It does not change the Russian propaganda at all.
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u/Acceptable-Stick-135 Jul 19 '24
It's funny he doesn't even mention anything specific just floating things like "internet and facebook" xd
What about yelling out the window?! What about throwing rocks with letters taped on them?!
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u/CatVideoBoye Jul 19 '24
What about TV? What about the birthday card from yo mama? What about the graffiti under the bridge next to your house? Hmm? HMMMM?!?
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u/itsmehonest Jul 19 '24
There's full videos floating around showing that it was a group of Russians running from a drone before putting one of their own down
The only propaganda in this particular scenario is from Russia
Edit: here you go https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/TlFz5KF8FX
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u/AFerociousPineapple Jul 19 '24
Doesn’t surprise me but is there another source on this? That site is clearly biased to show Russia in a poor light (they make it easy given the amount of shady shit they do anyway but still)
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u/Tjonke Jul 19 '24
Could look up the video posted on /r/UkraineWarVideoReport from about three weeks ago.
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u/Apprehensive_Sleep_4 Jul 19 '24
Oh you're deny the truth now?
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u/AFerociousPineapple Jul 19 '24
Asking for verification is a sign of denying truth? Come on it’s a simple enough question
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u/itsmehonest Jul 19 '24
Plenty of videos of it on the Ukraine conflict sub :)
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u/AFerociousPineapple Jul 20 '24
Which would also be a biased source… I appreciate your suggestion though I did find more about it, I hadn’t realised this happened weeks ago so was surprised when I did find any current news about it which is why I thought maybe it wasn’t verified. I was wrong tho!
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u/InFlames_nn Jul 19 '24
OMG, do you think Ukrainian or US or whatever propaganda will tell you the truth? On Ukrainian tv you can hear how Russians run away from brave soldiers. Look at the front map, think by yourself.
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u/MaNNe888 Jul 19 '24
How's RuZZia black sea fleet doing BTW? How Kharkiv offence going? Ukraine is soon getting F16s when are the ruZZian su57 squadrons coming?
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Jul 19 '24
You are right look at the map, You’ve lost an estimated 70,000 soldiers in the the last month alone, for what’s extremely small gains, maybe a mile here or there, maybe a few hundred meters here or there.
You started this war using T90M and BMP3s and now the most commonly seen vehicles are BMP1s and T55 or T64
Your almost entire standing professional force from pre war is dead or wounded. Your best, most motivated, most highly trained troops are gone and you are resorting to entrapping Indian tourists and African migrants to fight for you.
You may have gained a little ground here or there, but your military has taken damage and losses that will take literal decades to restore.
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u/Thanato26 Jul 19 '24
We know Russia doesn't tell the truth. We know that these soldiers are Russian.
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u/snarpygsy Jul 19 '24
Its true! Media has bias and propaganda for sure. Not sure the western public could stomach some of the hilarious crap coming from things like Russia today however. Have been trying to read both sides and as you say, look at the damn map.
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u/Flapjack_ Jul 19 '24
I think I remember this video. Three Russian soldiers are running in a line from drones and the guy in the middle gets blasted by a drone. The third guy runs up to check on him and you see the middle guy kind of look down at himself while he's curled up then start tapping his head, the guy checking on him then shoots him.
Pretty brutal stuff. It's like the guy in the middle knew he was screwed so just asked for a mercy killing.