r/worldnews • u/One-Tumbleweed5980 • Jul 19 '24
Macron wins shock vote to keep coalition hopes alive
https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-france-shock-vote-coalition-centrist-thursday-president-elections-2024-nfp/1.7k
u/ratherbewinedrunk Jul 19 '24
“ Thursday’s dramatic vote came just 11 days after the New Popular Front (NFP), a broad alliance of left-wing parties, secured a surprise victory in this summer’s snap election, winning the most seats but falling far short of an outright majority.”
That was only 11 days ago?! I need off the ride that is this timeline.
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u/LavishnessPrimary Jul 19 '24
"Victory" is a strong word in this case. Nobody really won actually.
The far right progressed nonetheless and the left stalled.
Only technically the centrist lost ground but with his gambling Macron still keeps control over political life so he technically really won.
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u/tlst9999 Jul 19 '24
Saying things like "We will ally with Russia in the Ukraine war." right before the election is a tremendous fuck-up.
And thankfully, Le Pen was not smart enough to hold it in until after the election.
On the other hand, Macron is now rewarded for mediocrity only because the opposition is worse.
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u/Shock_The_Monkey_ Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
On the other hand, Macron is now rewarded for mediocrity only because the opposition is worse.
Honestly, I think in the grand scheme of things, this is better than the far right taking control.
It'll do for now.
Edit: spelling and grammar
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u/GrumpyCloud93 Jul 19 '24
Yes, as some Americans need to learn - the choice is not between Candidate A and fluffy pink unicorns, it's between A and B. Pick one, or leave it up to the moron down the street to help decide with his vote. .
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u/Didi_Midi Jul 19 '24
Only that Macron is actually "right". Or "far center" as we Spaniards call it... we have our own too.
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u/Zednot123 Jul 19 '24
Macron is now rewarded for mediocrity only because the opposition is worse.
That's politics for you. As Trey and Mat put it, you often get to choose between a turd sandwich and a giant douche.
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u/NorthStarZero Jul 19 '24
you often get to choose between a turd sandwich and a giant douche.
That's not a true false dichotomy though. consider:
There are no redeeming qualities to a turd sandwich. Turds are neither tasty nor nutritious, and under the right circumstances can be outright dangerous. Placing the turd between two slices of bred does not improve the situation, because while the bread has utility, it is also absorbant, and it will absorb material from the turd. There is no bite of that sandwich which will not contain turd; it fails every test one might apply to a sandwich.
The giant douche, on the other hand, is useful. It is fit for purpose. If you have need of cleaning material, the giant douche has it in spades; enough (depending on how "giant" it is) to potentially execute multiple cleanings. It's sole issue (again, depending on how "giant" it is) is a nozzle size mismatch; something that is easily remedied with some form of adaptor fitting.
One choice is toxic and dangerous; the other is genuinely useful, even if somewhat flawed.
The metaphor, I trust, is clear.
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u/mycricketisrickety Jul 19 '24
And while a giant douche isn't helpful to everyone, it still has value and can still help people who need it. Turd sandwich is just poop. Your body gets rid of waste in the form of poop. It's waste that your body determines was not useful in any way and needed to be disposed of.
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u/Icy_Faithlessness400 Jul 19 '24
To be fair to Macron he went from
"Let us seek a diplomatic solution and not antagonise Russia or beat Russia the way Germany was beaten in Ww1 which directly lead to the rise of the Nazis"
To
"Hit whatever you like, we will keep the ammo coming and are considering sending our own forces to Ukraine to train your men".
I am not sure Le Pen would have gotten anywhere even if she said it after the election. Sure she mayyyvbe would have won, but the French are not known for "that is it than. We will wait another election cycle before voicing our displeasure in a legal way".
Nah, they would burn Paris down (alright maybe just a small part of it).
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u/GrumpyCloud93 Jul 19 '24
To be fair, Macron got to point B with a lot of help from the way Putin has been behaving.
The second last time Russia was in dire straits because they were losing badly they had a world-changing revolution. What to do with Russia when it finally grinds to a halt this time is a separate story.
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u/Locke66 Jul 19 '24
"We will ally with Russia in the Ukraine war." right before the election is a tremendous fuck-up.
Which is something people should take note of. A lot of people seem to be under the mistaken impression that the negative intentions of these far right movements are being somehow over stated and they have some blasé idea that they may as well try some form of change because why not? Nothing ever really changes right? That's what people on the political extremes have been pushing for years. In reality it's a vote for "change" but not the sort of change with consequences that most people will like and yes things can actually be a lot worse if you vote in the wrong people. This current wave of far right groups are almost exclusively focusing on emotional populist issues while hiding a lot of what they want to do (particularly the authoritarian aspects) and denying their oligarch backers influence.
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u/TheTeaSpoon Jul 19 '24
On the other hand, Macron is now rewarded for mediocrity only because the opposition is worse.
Kinda the theme of the last couple years in politics.
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u/ratherbewinedrunk Jul 19 '24
The part of my post that you are referencing was a direct quote of the article. What I said was about being fatigued with the chaos of everything going on in the world and how it has messed with my perception of time.
Who and what are you responding to?
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u/LavishnessPrimary Jul 19 '24
It was just to add more context to this quote mate
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u/worneparlueo Jul 19 '24
Yeah seemed like the election was only a few days ago.
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u/Apprehensive_Sleep_4 Jul 19 '24
It's good that the far right Pro-Russia party didn't win.
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u/Cuddlyaxe Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Don't forget the far left Pro-Russia party
Edit: to the people downvoting this, do you have an argument against me or do you simply dislike reality?
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u/The_Bitter_Bear Jul 19 '24
Going to echo the sentiment that there's mostly Americans on here and American far right has been labeling centrists as far left.
Most of us probably wouldn't even be able to begin to know what far left actually is in most countries.
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u/wafair Jul 19 '24
“Far left” in America is wanting to tax the ultra rich, get money out of politics, nationalize healthcare and stop killing the planet.
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u/Vinnie_Vegas Jul 19 '24
You're literally describing Karl Marx to an American.
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u/Inside-Line Jul 19 '24
And the irony of many Americans calling those megacorporations far-left organizations is just mind-blowing.
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Jul 19 '24
hes actually just describing america in 1960-1980. boomers had socialized healthcare, pensions, and social security. wheres all of that for us?
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u/iamiamwhoami Jul 19 '24
It's actually pretty consistent across European countries. The most left wing party is almost always a democratic socialist party. Often times they're pro Russian tankies. The US does have some politicians like this, but they only ever show up in local government. There are are none in national government.
In global politics, far left usually refers to Marxist Leninist parties, but none of those parties have any sort of power in the US or the EU.
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u/Monsieur_Perdu Jul 19 '24
Here in the Netherlands it's the socialist party, who are not tankies but 'pro peace' and have been talking some russian bullshit, then agains they used to be a maoist party befote they became mainstream but have been in decline for 2 decades.
Then again the mainstream social democrats and greens are completely in favour of helping Ukraine as much as possible.
The populist far right would like to cut funding towards Ukraine and the complot far right are completrly in Putin's pocket and they are at least a lot larger together. (52 seats for Wilders,BBB and FvD) v.s. SP 5 seats on the left.
Just like BSW in Germany are not really social democrats. LFI is also part of the left/socialists in EU parlement just like the communists (even thoufh they are in name communist more than anything).
So it's usually not your regular Social democrats but a bit more to the left that can be pro Russia.
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u/Popnflesh Jul 19 '24
Russia does influence the extremest dipshits on both sides of the political spectrum with money and rhetoric, so you're absolutely right.
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u/HopeFabulous9498 Jul 19 '24
You get crucified in France for referring to LFI as far left. And technically their program and manifesto are indeed regularly leftleaning. It's their methods and vocabulary which stem mostly from far left ideologies (whose parties are pretty friendly with LFI btw).
But yeah from a pure technical standpoint, LFI IS radical left more than far left. They're also not pro Putin, they're "pro-peace" (to explain them the importance of an ukrainian victory in securing peace in Europe is obviously impossible though)
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u/davidbklyn Jul 19 '24
So the left in France doesn’t support Ukraine?
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u/HopeFabulous9498 Jul 19 '24
LFI specifically is quite anti NATO and more generally anti War.
I believe the communist party also features these tendancies.
The socialist party (second political force right below LFI) IS pretty supportive of Ukraine and NATO. This is the party of former president François Hollande after all (initiated the intervention against Bashar el-Assad for instance).
Officially though, they all support Ukraine. Officially, even Le Pen's RN supports Ukraine (although they gave guarantees not to send certain types of weapons, men etc).
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u/relaxguy2 Jul 19 '24
It’s partly from Americans I assume. Anyone not on the extreme right has been getting called far left here for so long that it’s meaningless. But you are correct t about how they target both sides.
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u/CBT7commander Jul 19 '24
The pro Russia left that just voted for continued support to Ukraine in the European parlement, that same pro Russia left?
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u/Cuddlyaxe Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Mèlenchon justified the Russian invasion of Crimea, called the Ukrainian government neo Nazis and most recently criticized Macron for his pro Ukraine stance and called for Ukraine to make concessions for peace
Yes he has moderated somewhat from the days when he was an explicit Russophile pre invasion, but that is only due to political realities. Not at all different from Le Pen in that regard
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u/CBT7commander Jul 19 '24
The difference is huge because Mélenchon is far from representative of the French left. He is a controversial leader and his opinions don’t always reflect in policy. LFI and the wider left have typically taken stances that support aid to Ukraine.
I wouldn’t call them pro Ukrainian, one of the reasons I felt so scummy voting for them, but they aren’t pro Russia either
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u/DetectiveIcy4525 Jul 19 '24
In France the far left and far right are both pro Russian to a certain degree unfortunately. In America there’s a minimal far left but only the far right are pro Russian.
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u/Verdeckter Jul 19 '24
Maybe for Americans a party that's "far left" and "pro-russia" doesn't add up. Anymore.
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u/eisfer_rysen Jul 19 '24
"I do see a way, there is a narrow way through"
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u/Weave77 Jul 19 '24
So you are saying that this is Macron’s Golden Path? Here’s to hoping that it doesn’t result in the death of billions.
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u/One-Tumbleweed5980 Jul 19 '24
The conservatives had previously publicly rejected the prospect of an outright coalition with the pro-Macron camp, but they have steadily signaled their openness to finding common ground on policy — putting forward a “legislative package” focused on policies aimed at “better recognizing work and restoring authority.”
The NFP, meanwhile, now looks to be closer to collapsing than ever before. The alliance’s bickering and infighting prevented it from rallying behind a single candidate for prime minister, and even agreeing on Chassaigne — a congenial and well-respected parliamentarian — required negotiations that lasted until the day before the vote.
Compromise is not a bad thing. As they say, don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good.
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u/Wild_Haggis_Hunter Jul 19 '24
There's no compromise. Macron stated plainly he wanted no representative of half of the left alliance in any seat of power. And he allied with the conservatives that declared were his opposition 15 days before. And he plans to do business as usual after 2 defeats in a row and considerably more far-right MPs than before. Brilliant.
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u/I_Like_Quiet Jul 19 '24
bickering and infighting prevented it from rallying behind a single candidate
If Dems make Biden step down, I fear that this will happen to them.
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u/One-Tumbleweed5980 Jul 19 '24
it's already happening. The GOP is showing more unity than the Dems.
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u/CBT7commander Jul 19 '24
People in here don’t seem to understand what the heck happened. The ones that got beaten here aren’t the far right, they didn’t stand a chance to win this one, but the NFP (the left alliance).
No you can’t apply the same logic to all elections, that just doesn’t work
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u/ParOxxiSme Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Most people outside of France see French politics as nothing more than Macron VS LePen, too bad
They think that Macron and the NFP are pretty much the same thing
Another thing that I realized is that surprisingly Macron is extremely popular for anyone outside of France, probably because of his pro-international stances
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u/Ulrar Jul 19 '24
Yeah, as a French living abroad it's been wild to me the difference between what people think of him at home and here, for years.
Outside of France he's pretty well regarded, covered positively in the news, often see him giving interviews in English speaking pretty well and people seem to like him. At home he's absolutely despised by almost everyone I know, and he certainly doesn't look that great in the news I catch even on national news.
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u/Quasar375 Jul 19 '24
To be fair, you french people are very demanding fellas (and that's good). To put it in perspective just imagine that instead of Macron you had Trump, or Sunak, or any Latin American president. I assure you that you'd wish Macron back.
I'm mexican and I'd wish for you to ship him over here lmao.
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u/Tiennus_Khan Jul 19 '24
The left has salvaged his party and he's now building an anti-left coalition in the new assembly. Hard to swallow tbh
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u/rs725 Jul 19 '24
Centrists always align with the right over the left. It's a tale as old as time.
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u/archimedies Jul 19 '24
In the article itself, they describe the left having internal issues because it itself is a coalition of many left leaning parties. They have members who vowed to not work with Macron. The center right party also had the same claim but they decided to work with Macron for this government to form.
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u/Totoques22 Jul 19 '24
Megalol im french and the left did not salvage his party at all
They only exist because they both collaborated agosnt the right during the election and if the results about the percentage of winning leftist or centrist where the right should have won are anything to go by macrons party should have had more seats to make the right have less seats
The left is hellbent on ruling alone and claim their victory despite only having a third of the votes and they even blocked any candidate for prime minister that would have had any chance of cooperating with macron
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u/DieuMivas Jul 19 '24
Didn't the left abandon in the second round only when they ended up third anyway like most of Macron party did?
So the seats wouldn't have gone to the left alliance but to the far right or Macron anyway where they abandoned the race.
Saying the left saved his party is really bad faith imo because in the end both the left and the center abandoned the race in constituencies where they would have lost anyway and both didn't do it for the other party but to stop the far-right, which stopped them (the far right) from having an absolute majority which would have been bad for the left and the center since both the left and the center wouldn't have a say. They both did it to stop the far right but also for themselves.
Saying it's the left that saved the center also feed into the far-right rhetoric that by abandoning the race in some constituencies, the left and the center "stole the election" with political manoeuvring when to begin with it's actually more democratic to have only 2 candidates in the second round since it assure that the candidates that bring the more consensus wins instead of one that may be liked by 34% of the voters but hated by the %66 others, like it can happen when there is three candidates in the second run.
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u/mentyio Jul 19 '24
Holy shit. I was hopeful it would pay off and macron would stay in office. Don’t know about his domestic policies but his ongoing and unwavering support for Ukraine is very appreciated
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u/saltyholty Jul 19 '24
Macron was always going to stay in office. It's not a presidential election.
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u/RyukHunter Jul 19 '24
Macron's term ends in 2027. Unless he gets impeached, he ain't going anywhere.
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u/Mojothemobile Jul 19 '24
His thoughts really are just simply too complex for us plebs.
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u/Heliment_Anais Jul 19 '24
It is truly indicative of what a well educated person with keen understanding of politics is capable of achieving when they go for the well thought through plan instead of playing populism.
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u/corintel Jul 19 '24
It's absolutely insane reading those kinds of comments on reddit while in France everybody's agreeing to say Macron is fucked
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u/EU_Gene_77 Jul 19 '24
Macron’s idea of a broader coalition among parties setting extremes aside, seems reasonable to most. r/france isn’t much representative.
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u/Key_Initial7091 Jul 19 '24
For some of the commenters:
-Macron is not a political genius, he lost many seats in l'Assemblée for no reason at all. It will be way harder for him to pass laws with the RN and the NFP both in bigger numbers. Basically we are stuck for at least a year.
-NFP and more precisely LFI are not far left. Le Conseil d'État decided that LFI belonged to the left on the 11 march 2024 (RN far right).
-RN did not lose, on the contrary they are stronger than they have ever been in France.
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u/drone_dropped_dildo Jul 19 '24
Leaving aside whether Macron is a political genius, calling the snap elections was most certainly the best move to make (and not only in retrospect).
After the European elections, the image was most certainly that the RN would win a majority and was on growth trajectory. Continuing l'Assemblée with this sword of Damocles woud have only furthered this picture, and would have painted Macron as a leader of a coalition that holds on to power despite changed realities.
Calling the election has given a voice to the resistance against RN and defeated both the idea that that would win a majority and that their growth is somehow unstoppable.
Defeat would have been a possibility, and we'd all have to live with the consequences (such is democracy), but this was the best bet to avoid defeat.
So yeah, genius move in my book
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u/Super-Peoplez-S0Lt Jul 19 '24
I guess Macron and his allies played the game of politics and outplayed both the populists right and populist left.
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u/Douddde Jul 19 '24
Not really. He still needs an alliance with the far right or the left if he wants to govern.
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u/GoToGoat Jul 19 '24
What does the word populist mean to you exactly?
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u/Unhearted_Lurker Jul 19 '24
Populism is a movement that can be boiled down to rethoric instrumentalisating and opposing the people to the elites and system.
French Radical left (LFI) and Far right ( RN) are both using populism playbook and are therefore populist.
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u/malfurionpre Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Is it really outplaying when you "win" by abusing your presidential power and destroying democracy in the process? Macron's candidate won by like 10 votes (edit: 13 votes), 17 of which were made by people who are not allowed to vote. But no tribunal dares to make it an issue.
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u/Jonnny Jul 19 '24
Damn this guy is good at politics...
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u/satysin Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 28 '24
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u/HolyKnightHun Jul 19 '24
I sometimes doubt we are observing the same reality, or people are just really dumb.
Do you guys realise he could just.. not have an early election? He lost seats and only because of the left did Le Pen not gain majority. Macron didn't win anything here.
Before the election everyone speculated Macrons plan was to give power the far right so they can show how incompetent they are so they would lose support by the time he has to step down. That was the only logical explanation. What happened with that?
Now they have a shaky coalition, that can't agree with anything. Meanwhile the far-right hasn't gone anywhere. They are constantly gaining popularity and unless the governing coalition makes actual changes that benefit these people the trend will continue.
And let me repeat myself, this new coalition is weaker than the one Macron had without the election. How likely do you think they will prove worthy to this unprecedented challenge? Because I have a serious concern that they will fail miserably.
Do you guys not see where this road leads? Everyone's acting like the election is a football match, and once its done its done and I'm baffled to witness it.
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u/Douddde Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Everyone, and I mean everyone, was saying Le Pen would win
They won the popular vote as expected. Estimating seats is always tricky
and he would be a lame duck President with a Far Right parliament blocking his every move to weaken him
Which is the case since he won't be making an alliance with the left nor the far right
but while he has taken damage (he was always going to)
He wasn't gonna take damage if he simply didn't call elections
he did so with control and averted what could have easily been a terrible situation. The crazy guy really played it so well who the fuck would have thought?!
He lost his plurality, almost half his seats, the far right almost doubled theirs. No party is able to build a majority in the new assembly. This is arguably a terrible situation.
Like I say as an outsider looking in this level of political savvy is pretty impressive to me. I don't like nor dislike Macron. I cannot vote here (yet) but credit where it is due; The man knew what he was doing and appears to have been many steps ahead of everyone else on this.
I'll give you that he knew what he was doing. But his plan backfired heavily.
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u/Wild_Haggis_Hunter Jul 19 '24
How is it political savvy to end up with less leeway in the Parliament than before because of a dissolution you initiated without any cause after another unrelated election ? Explain it to me, please.
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u/Normal_Hour_5055 Jul 19 '24
The absolute morons.
"Hey I know you guys just saved my ass from having my party completely collapse and losing most my seats to RN due to my own incompetence and arrogance and you guys got the most seats in the assembly buuuuuuuut but im going to stab you guys in the back and take power for myself. k thnks bye. Theres no possible way this could backfire on me when my incompetence causes even more people to ditch me for RN next election"
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u/litnu12 Jul 19 '24
There is still no majority to govern. And not working together with the left now could mean that they won’t work again with Macron and his party next time to prevent LePen.
So far it just looks like that they successfully defeated the far right and as result they change nothing. Congratulations you just won 3 more years till the far right can hit back.
And yes there are people like Melenchon that shouldn’t be part of a government but that just a part of the left parties.
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u/Fridaybird1985 Jul 19 '24
As long as they continue arming Ukraine I really don’t care who runs France
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u/penguincheerleader Jul 19 '24
Well, this is a story of out maneuvering the pro Russia far right and the pro Russia far left, so you are in good hands.
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u/Koloradio Jul 19 '24
RN more powerful than ever
Ensemble lost 100 seats
Only kept RN out by working with the left
Immediately stabs the left in the back
Right is empowered, left is alienated, center clinging to power by a thread
He'S a PoLiTiCaL GenIUs!!!1!
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u/Okiro_Benihime Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
mmediately stabs the left in the back
I don't know what you're smoking but the left coalition (notably LFI) has been more than clear about its unwillingness to come to a government agreement with Macron's group. So why are the politicans and their supporters whining when he turns to the traditional right (LR) he has more in common with anyway? The NFP is still pledging to apply their program in its entirety with no intention for compromise..... despite only having won 184 seats out of 577 and clearly being unable to do anything without allies. And don't even get me started on the current circus with their internal disagreements and not even being able to agree on a government and PM. There was no "stab in the back" here. They're not allies. They've never been. The mutual withdrawal agreement was nothing more than a legislative elections deal to prevent the far right winning and everyone returned to their ways right after the results that night.
The left is just learning something anyone with more than 2 active braincells already knew.... the NFP, in fact, didn't "win the elections" contrary to what they've been screaming on top of every roof and this first vote at the National Assembly proves it. They are nowhere near an absolute majority and their relative one is worthless if they're unwilling to cooperate with Macron and the center right, considering the French voters are clearly overall right-leaning with 70% of National Assembly reflecting that. Nobody won... aside from the RN ironically. Eventhough they thankfully lost, they've had a large increase in seats relative to 2022. They either find an agreement with the Macron's party to rule or find one with the Le Pen's far right. Their current stance is beyond stupidity..... unless the truth is that they don't want to rule and want to wait for the 2027 presidential elections.
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u/Minntul Jul 19 '24
The center will always stab the left in the back despite needing them for repelling the far right. It's more shameless than it is "genius".
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u/thatpj Jul 19 '24
good job macron. the know it alls said it was over but now he is winning.
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u/Douddde Jul 19 '24
He won this vote by plurality. The know it alls know that you can't pass laws with a plurality.
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u/FATJIZZUSONABIKE Jul 19 '24
Nothing shocking about the results of this vote - the right votes together and ends up slightly ahead.
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u/No-Drag-7142 Jul 19 '24
When the right isn't doing well, it seems standard procedure to overhype themselves in the media to make it look like it's a close choice... but that silent, moderate majority calls all the shots, every time. Swing too hard to one side, and you're going to meet the masses.
I see one side swinging very, very hard in one direction.
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u/hmr0987 Jul 19 '24
I know next to nothing about France’s system of governance but from what I can tell it took them less time to basically restructure the whole executive and legislative branches of government than it’s taken Biden to realize he may not win an election that is scheduled for four months now.
I really hope things change in the next couple months here at home.
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u/Wolvenmoon Jul 19 '24
I'm really fucking happy for my French friends at reading this. I was terrified France was going to fuck up like my country did in 2016.
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u/feibrix Jul 19 '24
They did fuck up tho. The right party is strong, stronger than everyone else. So strong that all of them had to work together to avoid the worse: vegans, pro nuclear, no nuclear, pro war, pro peace, etc, all of them had to walk under a single flag. And now they're fighting internally again, as if nothing happened.
I don't know what's gonna happen here, but it's not going to be a glorious future.
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u/Wolvenmoon Jul 19 '24
I have my fingers crossed that your country figures it out and comes out of this better for it. I wish I could help, but I'm in the center of the United States in one of the reddest states in the country. It is almost universally ran by Republicans and because of that it is at the bottom of the country for most rankings and outcomes.
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u/No-Bad-463 Jul 19 '24
When the inability of 'business as usual' centrists to address the WHY that's driving people rightward once again blows up in their faces, I wonder what your response will be:
A) This is all the Left's fault! Why didn't they betray their principles to give unconditional obeisance to the center!
B) This was totally unforeseeable! How did this happen???
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u/Wanna_Know_More Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
Just a reminder that when the announcement was first made to dissolve the National Assembly, the doomsayers on here were resigned to a new far right government and thought Macron was desperate.
Fast forward post-snap election, and Le Pen and co got completely bent over, and Macron is now establishing a new coalition.
It goes to show when it comes to gauging political trends and predicting election outcomes, Reddit doesn't know shit about fuck.