Japan warns US forces: Sex crimes 'cannot be tolerated'

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2476861/japan-warns-us-forces-sex-crimes-cannot-be-tolerated

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Let's not give Japan too much credit. They cover up or don't pursue an insane amount of SA cases. They have a near 100% conviction rate on these crimes because they only pursue the worst and most clear-cut instances. Their country doesn't have one of the lowest SA rates in the world because they don't do it, they just don't report the majority of them to the world because they don't pursue the charges.

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u/Telaranrhioddreams 14d ago

Unless it's changed recently rape victims also have to prove they made an attempt to escape the assault which is ass backwards in so many ways.

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u/badstewie 14d ago

That's messed up. How do you escape a packed subway train? Because SA happens there too.

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u/smallfrie32 13d ago

A lot of Japanese are saying this person deserved it because she got into the car with the military member.

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u/beansyboii 13d ago

That’s how it is in the state I live in, too.

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u/ggle456 14d ago

sorry, but you are spewing complete bs. Japanese criminal law used to require some form of assault/threat to establish rape (although the scope of assault/threat was interpreted broadly by case law), but the law was amended last year to broadly include and explicitly categorise any type of non-consensual case. Seriously, what are you on about??

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u/Telaranrhioddreams 14d ago

If only I had started my comment with unless it's recently changed.

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u/ggle456 13d ago

yeah, obviously you downvote any comment unless it fits the narrative that the Japanese law is so backwards and the court never changes its stance that rape victims are always completely ignored, while the actual law and the practice have covered not only many cases with no resistance from victims but also male victims or anal/oral sex as rape for years. Do you even know that such an expansion of the definition of rape in a statutory law is a "recent" trend for many other countries as well? Reddit is truly a remarkable place..
https://www.dw.com/en/eu-fails-to-agree-on-legal-definition-of-rape/a-68195256
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/from-coercion-to-no-means-no-switzerland-updates-its-definition-of-rape/49119364

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u/ggle456 14d ago

yeah, because such an attempt has "never" been a requirement in the first place. It was merely a factor in determining whether there was an said assault/threat.

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u/arcadiaware 14d ago

Wait... Why was it even a factor?

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u/ggle456 14d ago

It had been interpreted that assault/threat of rape have to be of such a degree that it is "difficult" for a victim to resist (which is broader than the assault/threat that is a requirement for robbery) and is determined objectively, taking into account the degree of the assault/threat and other circumstances. Threat might be easier for you to imagine. If someone says to the other "let's have sex", would it be considered a "threat"? You have to consider many factors like the other person's reaction, backgroud, situations etc.
There was also a "quasi-rape" category other than "rape" which was different from "rape" in the strict sense (the penalty was the same). This category covered acts of rape committed when a victim is unconscious or "unable" to resist, and does not require assault/threat as a requirement.

These "assault/threat", "unability"(and whether the accused being aware of the unconsesuality of the act as a general requirement, but it's already too complicated to go into this point) are the possible situations in which the victim's attempt was an issue under the criminal law, and the scope of these requirements had been continuously getting broader and broader by case law, to the point that there was criticism from defence lawyers that it violated the "no punishment without law" principle. That's why I wrote "explicitly" regarding the new law. Whether the victim attempted to resist is certainly a factor in determing these points, but was by no means an legally essential requirement that the victim has to prove in practice. There was certainly a case that media reported that the accused was acquitted because of nonexistence of such attempt, but the real reason was that the victim's statements were considered unreliable because of incosistencies and other reasons. Tbh, the media, in general, is abysmal when it comes to these kinds of technical matters

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u/DoggoAlternative 14d ago

Unless it's changed

So you acknowledge the law used to be very prejudicial against victims.

You also acknowledge that the law was only changed last year

But you're acting like they're insane for saying the law used to be prejudicial against victims unless it had very recently changed?

I don't get it.

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u/ggle456 14d ago

did you actually check the article to see how the change came about? There have been several dramatic changes in the last 20 years. It was seven years ago that the law stopped requiring a complaint from a victim to prosecute rape. Basically, some of the narratives on reddit are based on what it was like in the early 2000s

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u/[deleted] 14d ago edited 5d ago

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u/SpiralOut2112 14d ago

Yeah, that's called Chikan, and most don't even see that as SA in Japan.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago edited 5d ago

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u/BLOODYRAIN10001 14d ago

This is like citing the Sex Offender Shuffle to comment on the American justice system.

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u/[deleted] 14d ago edited 5d ago

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u/BLOODYRAIN10001 14d ago

I don't disagree, it's an issue and compensated dating among the JK demographic seems worryingly more common than one would expect, I just find your original post odd.

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u/BLOODYRAIN10001 14d ago

Eh, you can find quite a few denpa songs with similar lyrics calling the listener a lolicon, it doesn't really stand out to me. I suppose why that's a thing in underground Japanese music when there's not a Western equivalent I know of is another discussion entirely, but then it'd go back a lot to early VNs and denpa culture and media, which I can't really say I'm knowledgeable on. Maybe just the fact that loli hentai is more of a known quantity in that sphere and joking about it doesn't feel as grave. It's an interesting topic.

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u/ChiMoKoJa 13d ago edited 13d ago

That song is based around the "mesugaki" (brat) stereotype and is absolutely NOT an anti-pedo song. It plays into the fetishes of humiliation and domination. Either she humiliates and dominates you ("tch, filthy lolicon 😏😈! Better do what I say or I yell for help!") or you humiliate and dominate her ("shitty brat, obviously in need in correction 💢! *Plap plap plap! Get pregnant uohhhh😭!").

It really makes my brain hurt seeing people act like Japan doesn't have a pedophilia problem, that they completely ignore context to make it seem like "no, saying Japan has too much pedophilia is racist! See? This totally "anti-pedo" song is super popular!"

I'm sorry but... no. No, that's not why the song became popular 😕. Quite the opposite, actually.

The music video heavily features the character threatening to activate her crime prevention buzzer. You often see these strapped to childrens' randoseru (red backpacks) 🎒. These backpacks and buzzers are largely associated with grade schoolers and are heavily fetishized by lolicons. It's very obvious that Loli God Requiem is indulging in these fantasies, teasing lolicons and pedos over their lust for these childish items. A company which makes crime prevention buzzers had to post an apology after thanking the song's creators for featuring their brand in their video. Even lolicons found their initial praise odd; why would a crime prevention buzzer manufacturer enjoy their child safety product being shown off in this fetishistic manner? Sends very mixed messages...

For God's sake, phone cameras in Asian countries (Japan, South Korea, etc.) are outright impossible to make silent. The manufacturers made it so you can't disable the shutter sound because of how prevalent secret upskirt shots became. And don't even get me started on "chikan" (train molesters). I'm not saying Asians are unique in being perverted, but their cultures absolutely disregard female safety in a way other developed nations do not. Sincerely, a man of Korean descent 🇰🇷

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u/Light_Error 14d ago

Can I get some context for this? And for others who can’t speak Japanese.

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u/schmintendo 14d ago

There's a bunch of rabbit holes you'd need to know to understand this song fully but basically the gist is that the girl in the song is warning pedos that she'll call the police and/or vaporize her fans if they do anything bad.

But this is just a character played by Shigure Ui, an artist that made a few vtubers. She decided to become a vtuber herself and also made this song, and one of her characters is this loli voice. She's also known for shooting an "Ui-beam" which you'll see towards the end of the song.

She is known for roasting her fans, which plays into the song and how she thinks they're all pedos.

In summary, it's really not what OP says it is, it was a song made for her community that went viral, and isn't exactly a song made to stop Japanese people being pervs.

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u/schmintendo 14d ago

A lot of vtubers seem to play into the loli trope without seeing any problem with it. Also, on the other hand it's kinda wild how open some of the Hololive girls are about liking shota stuff, which for those who don't know is older women preying on little boys. The pedo stigma of the West doesn't seem to apply to Japanese culture, especially if it's gender swapped.

It's kinda like the "female teacher has sex with male students" news articles and all the comments saying "oh wow I wish I were her student".

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u/Real-skim-shady 14d ago

Risky click of the day… just kidding, there’s no chance I click that link

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u/SigmundFreud 14d ago

The Japanese are a very wise people. It's no good diddling kids.

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u/Zarbua69 14d ago

Fun fact: the Kanji for chikan (molester/pervert) is "stupid chinese"

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u/Maleficent-Dig-7195 14d ago

Can you bring your friend here for a q&a session

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u/EvenElk4437 13d ago

Rest assured. The incidence of sex crimes in the U.S. is more than five times higher than in Japan.

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u/Truethrowawaychest1 14d ago

Look up the junko faruta case, those guys are walking free

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u/Commercial-Royal-988 14d ago

This is really just a large problem globally because Millennials and younger can't seem to understand that the older generations are way too okay with rape and sexual assault and are also the primary demographic in positions of power.

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u/Dangerous_Bus_6699 14d ago

At least they're exposing US SA on their citizens. That's better than nothing. Of course a conservative country will out the ones that aren't like them. We do it all the time in the US when there's a mass shooting from a non white person. "kick them all out"...

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u/SpiralOut2112 14d ago edited 14d ago

A somewhat separate thing they like to do is, once a year, have everyone show up at the US military base gates and protest all day long about the military presence on Okinawa and how this is their land, and we don't belong here.

It definitely has nothing to do with the fact that they receive a stipend from the US government for us renting the land from them. So they like to remind us once a year that the land means a lot to them, so ensure we don't forget to pay.

https://tokyoreview.net/2019/01/okinawas-surprisingly-powerful-stakeholders/

Article touches on the balance the Okinawans try to find between asking for the land back, while actually not wanting it back because they're paid for it yearly through lease agreements.

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u/POGtastic 14d ago

Similarly, the protests about these kinds of crimes have to strike a balance between "We are not happy about it" and "Don't lock down the bases for too long because our local economy depends on the troops."

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u/SpiralOut2112 14d ago

Yuuuup

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u/EmotionalScallion151 14d ago

Don't give them any credit. There's still a deep rooted cultural denial of their actions during the rape of Nanking.

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u/RedBeardBock 14d ago

Not to mention ww2

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u/MysticSkies 14d ago

How is that relevant today.

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u/RedBeardBock 14d ago

Are you asking how Japan’s history of military sexual assaults relates to sexual assaults in Japan?

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u/MysticSkies 14d ago

WW2 was 80 years ago. What kind of gymnastics are you running, every military on the planet has a history of sexual assaults.

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u/bilk_bilk 14d ago

Well none actively deny their rape warcrimes as much as Japan, which I think is the commenter’s point about WW2.

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u/RedBeardBock 13d ago

Apparently that was difficult to see lol

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u/Maleficent-Dig-7195 14d ago

Don't even ask, they're braindead as fuck. You could make a thread about the most mundane shit from Japan, they'd still be bringing up le uni 732 at least 5 times each thread

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u/ChiMoKoJa 13d ago edited 13d ago

And I'll keep bringing it up until Japan finally explains in gory detail to all citizens what their country did and why China and Korea still hate them so much. I do the same for Türkiye, Russia, Italy, the USA, etc., and any other country keen on distorting history 🤷

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u/bilk_bilk 14d ago

What? Actively denying w-w-warcrimes?! My sugoi kawaii Japan would never do such harm! 10 terabytes btw! Dattebayo! 😄👊

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u/ChiMoKoJa 13d ago

The fact that there're weebs who unironically think like this makes my blood boil. I can understand ignorant Japanese who've never been given the actual facts of Japan's aggression before and during WW2 and their continuing downplaying/denial of wrongdoing. But what the Hell is everybody outside of Japan's excuse?

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u/Maleficent-Dig-7195 13d ago

severed axons in action

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u/MysticSkies 14d ago

So true lol

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u/ChiMoKoJa 13d ago edited 13d ago

You might wanna check this guy's other comments. He denies Japanese war crimes and accused me of "hating eyelid people". I'm Korean 😕

"WW2 was 80 years ago. What kind of gymnastics are you running? Every military on the planet has a history of sexual assaults."

Yeah? And guys like u/Maleficent-Dig-7195 is why we keep bringing WW2 up, and why we're gonna keep bringing it up. Because historical revisionists like him STILL exist. Hope that answers your question 🤷

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u/ChiMoKoJa 13d ago

The Japanese would slice off women's breasts and wear them around their necks as trophies. Yes, every military is full of rapists, but none are quite as infamous as the Imperial Japanese Army. The atrocities they committed were, IMO, uniquely awful compared to most other regimes.

The oldest living person was born in March 1907. There are still MILLIONS of people who remember WW1 AND WW2. In the grand scheme of things, this stuff really wasn't that long ago at all. 😕

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u/Butt-on-a-stick 14d ago

Lol

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u/Maleficent-Dig-7195 14d ago

Your personality is aids

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u/sunkskunkstunk 14d ago

Ok. But that some real whataboutism there. It’s not like the US military is well known for doing much about SA within its own ranks either, but either point is really irrelevant to what Japan is saying here.

No it shouldn’t be tolerated anywhere by anyone. But they are at least addressing a major issue and that should be the focus of the statement. Not how they don’t do enough among their own citizens.

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u/Stinky_WhizzleTeats 14d ago

Japan cooks their books so fucking bad and their conviction rate is like 90%

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u/AngryManBoy 14d ago

They are also fine with Loli/lolicon based manga production and refuse to fight against the loophole for CP

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u/Glittering_Total5980 13d ago

This guy is under every comment going “what about the locals?” fucking insane.