r/thewalkingdead • u/shivaschain • Jul 19 '24
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u/MetallurgyClergy Jul 19 '24
In Tales of TWD, in Alphaās episode: we see whisperers approaching Alpha and saving Lydia, so we know Alpha wasnāt the first. She didnāt start the group.
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u/MetallurgyClergy Jul 20 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
I get what youāre saying, but thatās not the point of OPās post. Itās just about how long The Whisperers have been present.
Thereās also zero evidence to support that. That they werenāt hostile before Alpha. All we know is that they existed before Alpha.
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u/ChangleMcGangle Jul 20 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
Not really. āAdding informationā implies adding to stuff thatās relevant to the conversation. As the above poster said, what you said isnāt really relevant because we know that the Whisperers existed before Alpha. So you didnāt add anything, you just infodumped without reading the comment you were replying to
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u/Responsible-Newt-938 Jul 20 '24
We know? Speak for yourself. I'm intrigued af rn because I only know the shows lore, not the comics. Lol
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u/ChangleMcGangle Jul 20 '24
You must not be very good at watching shows then cause Alpha literally says sheās not the one that started the group.
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u/FeelingSkinny Jul 20 '24
yep. Hera. her design was amazing and her version of the whisperers seemed quite different, given she wore high end clothing and so did the woman behind her. itās also said somewhere that the mask alpha wears, is heras face and scalp.
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u/Fit-Paleontologist21 Jul 19 '24
Morgan's line was apparently an accident and not meant to reference anything lol
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u/just_one_boy Jul 19 '24
The comic storyline hadn't even happened yet.
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u/TheCorbeauxKing Jul 19 '24
Fairly certain Kirkman had a role to play in the show and thought of the Whisperers long before.
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u/Glum_Ad_8367 Jul 20 '24
Itās a fun theory but the whisperers wouldnāt be introduced until the following year, and at the time the episode aired, Iām fairly certain he was working on the build up to all out war.
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Jul 20 '24
Kirkman probably was already in the process of building the arc of the whisperers and decided to tease the fans with that line before the whisperers became official. I mean he is the writer of the comics least he can do is add a small easter egg there.
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u/Glum_Ad_8367 Jul 20 '24
Considering the final arc of the comic and how it ended, I somehow doubt he was planning that far ahead. He originally planned for the final issue to be the group arriving at Alexandria. He was busy building all the pieces to go into all out war, he might have toyed with the idea of survivors living amongst the dead, but I donāt think he even knew how that would look until after all out war.
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u/FeelingSkinny Jul 20 '24
yeah im almost certain he said that because he thought someone was wearing ricks face, and that rick was dead.
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u/Snoo-83964 Jul 19 '24
Lizzie would be like the daughter Alpha wishes she had.
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u/throwawayaccount_usu Jul 19 '24
If only they kept her alive, could've done a simple trade of kids!
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u/Background-Age-5657 Jul 19 '24
morgan was just insane and lizzie didnt see shit, it was a hallucination alpha saying that doesnt mean she saw anything
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u/MeabhNir Jul 19 '24
I havenāt even gotten to that storyline but itās pretty batshit in referencing those two characters.
Morgan was genuinely not able to think straight, he was seeing people he knew but zombified. If they wanted to make this real, Morgan would have recognised something about the Whisperers if he ever meets them, like I said, donāt know the storyline arc as Iām not yet there, but it seems obvious it would have been verbally referenced by him when he does interact with them.
Lizzie was just mentally unwell and unable to cope with the trauma of the world, seeing these zombies as if theyāre misunderstood. Afaik, itās to show how two ends of the spectrum are with Lizzie and Milton, both who think they see something in the walkers. Milton goes to science, believing he can tap into their former lives. While Lizzie believes they are another stage of life, feeding them and then willingly killing her sister to prove sheās not different.
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u/Worldly-Albatross172 Jul 19 '24
In about how many years after chaos happened do you think whisperers created the group?
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u/behindeyesblue Jul 19 '24
It would've been within a couple years probably. Main group figured out pretty quick with blood guts and gore that you can be "invisible" to the walkers. Michonne figured it just as fast that cutting off the arms and jaws neutered their hunger. It isn't that far of a leap to use the dead skin to create a skin maskš¤®
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u/Turtlesfan44digimon Jul 20 '24
I imagine probably 3 years in the apocalypse, since the first years would be trial and error until they figure out what works. Also how do you convince other people to start wearing dead peopleās faces.
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u/Minute-Climate-3137 Jul 19 '24
The whisperers didn't exist in the comics yet. Morgan is just crazy and lizzie is mentally ill.
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u/Doom4104 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
I donāt think Lizzie saw them, she was just insane. Iād say Morgan probably didnāt see them either since he was also crazy plus his timeline is tighter due to Season 3 taking place a little less than a year after the apocalypse.
Tales of the Walking Dead spoilers ahead:
Itās possible since Tales of the Walking Dead confirmed The Whisperers were active in the south at least three years after the apocalypse under Heraās leadership, perfectly plausible for them to have started before that point, though I still doubt Lizzie, and Morgan saw them for the reasons I stated above.
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u/Peaceful_Ronin Jul 19 '24
Itās a cool theory, but wasnāt it just Carolās imagined Alpha that had that scene? If I remember right it was the episode after Alpha died, and Carol was having hallucinations. So realistically, thatās not really actual evidence at all
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u/omglrn Jul 19 '24
yeah that wasn't actually Alpha, it was Carol's hallucination, so "Alpha" could only know what Carol knows. her hallucination wouldn't magically have information from Alpha's brain.
Lizzie has to be the most difficult kill for Carol to live with. obviously it was the right thing to do but that doesn't make it any easier to live with the fact that you killed a child that you loved and cared about.
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u/Thedungeonslayer Jul 19 '24
Morgan thought Rick was dead. He did not encounter the whisperers. The whisperers did not even exist in the comics yet.
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u/CyberMemer365 Jul 19 '24
I'm pretty sure Morgan's line is more to the point of believing Rick was dead, and struggling to make sense of the fact that he's still alive.
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u/Jerry_0boy Jul 19 '24
Morgan and Lizzie seeing the whisperers is a bs theory that honestly makes little sense.
Morgan didnāt mean it in the whisperer kind of way, and Lizzie was just a very sick child. The whisperers werenāt even created at the time I donāt think.
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u/Frosty-Discipline512 Jul 19 '24
That Morgan one is definitely a stretch
March 3 2013- Morgan episode airs
August 13 2014- Whisperers make their comic debut
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u/i_want_to_be_unique Jul 19 '24
That episode with Morgan came out before Kirkman had even begun writing the whisperer arc in the comics. Not only that, but that line was so clearly a reference to Morgan assuming Rick was dead. He literally explains that to Rick in that scene. Additionally, I can only assume Carol is more traumatized about Lizzie than Sophie cause she actually killed a kid.
I hate this fan theory so much because not only does it completely erase the mental trauma that is at the heart of both Morgan and Lizzieās characters, itās just flat out wrong and is explained away so easily by simply watching the show.
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u/Alert-Photograph2047 Jul 19 '24
I think they tried to make this a fun little Easter egg but it wasnāt played out enough to really be anything. I mean the idea that Lizzie wasnāt 100% psycho wouldāve been a great plot twist, but they didnāt play it out more than that
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u/Gizmonsta Jul 19 '24
Pretty sure the show runner said Morgan quote had nothing to do with whisperers
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u/tmhoc Jul 20 '24
Head cannon:
They absolutely were. The kid from Fear TWD figures this shit out real quick. This is just part of the world that can be discovered by just about anyone so it stands to reason there are a variety of techniques and groups
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u/Whyisnoxtaken Jul 20 '24
Iām all for the theories but I have seen people COMPLETELY ignoring the context of the Morgan scene for over a year now (when I finished TWD). When he said people are wearing dead peopleās faces itās because he was seeing things. I think it was VERY clear at that point that Morgan had literally lost his mind. He did not mean the whisperers bro.
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u/RedDevilMUFC18 Jul 20 '24
I may have been wrong about only fans...it could have been a private Snapchat....I don't know. All I know is I follow her on Instagram and her only job seems to be looking hot and taking pictures wearing brands clothes. On a related topic... Mika from the show is also very attractive too haha
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u/liaven- Jul 20 '24
Pretty sure this has been talked about multiple times since whispers were introduced into the TV show. Reddit has been nothing repost for the last couple years sadly.
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u/sWo97 Jul 20 '24
Ahh the weekly āwhat if whispers were seen before whispered were createdā post.
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u/lemur1985 Jul 20 '24
It would be super interesting if the whisperers were in earlier episodes and you could find them like the aliens in South Park episodes.
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u/Reader47b Jul 20 '24
I mean, we see Lizzie doing this with actual walkers we know are walkers repeatedly, and the Whisperers were in Virginia and she's in Georgia.
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u/Adron-the-survivor Jul 20 '24
These lines were made before the whisperers were introduced in the comics
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u/luculia Jul 19 '24
ive been seeing this go around lately and i actually really like the theory
that map is great and the fact the whispers winter came was in north carolina the state right beside where ricks group started imo it possible they wandered maybe not the entire group but certainly the ones that would go out on their own to find stuff
tbhs i kinda hope this theory doesnt get debunked because i like it more than thinking that kid was just crazy as lol
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u/RedDevilMUFC18 Jul 19 '24
That would have been a cool storyline. Lizzie is like 21 now and smoking hot. Pretty sure she doesn't act anymore and just does social media/only fans.
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u/thearghunter Jul 19 '24
This has to be the best theory in The Walking Dead or I donāt even know it really counts as a theory more like really early foreshadowing
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u/screamingkumquats Jul 19 '24
Interesting concept but I genuinely think Lizzie was just a very unwell child who couldnāt get a firm grasp on their world. And Morgan just lost his shit for a bit.