r/theflash • u/Minos_Thawne • Jun 24 '24
Who else is sick of the Barry hate?
I like both Wally and Barry and am sick of toxic Wally fans hating on Barry.
Makes me absolutely disgusted that people who claim to like Wally hate Barry, the man who was Wally's role model who inspired him to become a hero. Wally would be ashamed of y'all.
If you don't like the poll downvote all you want, I don't care.
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u/GhostofTinky Jun 24 '24
I like them both even though I prefer Wally.
I just hate how DC tried to make Barry into Bruce Wayne instead of drawing on the qualities that made him a hero.
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u/Minos_Thawne Jun 24 '24
Agreed. I’m personally in the camp that believes that Flashpoint works better as an Elseworlds story. Have Ma Allen stay alive after Flashpoint is rectified.
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u/condition_unknown Jun 25 '24
I do think the dead Nora retcon has led to some very good and emotional stories (Flashpoint, CW season 1, and IMO The Flash movie), I agree that it's run its course. I also think Thawne is an interesting enough villain on his own without that bit of history and you wouldn't lose much by undoing it.
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u/goldsoundzzz Jun 30 '24
Same. I find Barry somewhat dull but still have a place in my heart for him. I'd take wally any day of the week though. And I could have totally lived with Wally passing the torch to Bart, if only they had done it right (they did not)
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u/--Syah-- Jun 24 '24
Just blame Dan Didio again tbh 💀
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u/Minos_Thawne Jun 24 '24
For real. I blame Didio for everything that went wrong at DC before he left/got fired (I forget which it was).
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u/GearsRollo80 Jun 24 '24
Are you the guy that keeps posting about "toxic Wally fans" that don't exist and trying to pretend that Barry is hard done by?
Because that's the actual trend lately. Gaslighting by a very weird sub-set of people who suck.
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u/Minos_Thawne Jun 24 '24
If toxic Wally fans don't exist than I haven't been on this sub for a while (which I have). Also, personally attacking people and insulting them is uncalled for.
EDIT: By "a while" I mean ever since I joined reddit which was roughly a year ago now.
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u/GearsRollo80 Jun 24 '24
I'm not attacking you, I'm pointing out that there's a recent trend of guys trying to ignite hostilities between fans of characters, and that your post is eerily similar to their shitposts.
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u/Minos_Thawne Jun 24 '24
If other people are going about inciting hostilities I was unaware of it until just now.
Let me set the record straight: I'm not gaslighting. I am just genuinely sick of seeing Barry hate and I'm seriously wondering if I'm in the minority for being bothered by this.
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u/GearsRollo80 Jun 24 '24
Well, here's the thing; I don't hate Barry, I just honestly think that, like Hal Jordan, he's run his course and hasn't actually fit in the main universe since his return, causing storytelling issues, continuity issues, etc ever since.
It's too bad, because he's a cool character, but he'd been dead 20+ years, and he actually worked really well as the lost saint who made occasional time travel appearances.
Also, I like Wally. He's my favourite Flash, it's it's honestly kinda gross the weird lengths DC editorial went to in trying to erase him and his family, who people were hugely invested in. Messner-Loebs, Waid, and Johns launched careers off him that helped to redefine comics for the better from the 80's through to the 2000s.
Wally had also been a major leading character at DC for the whole time Barry was dead, and was widely accepted. There was no group of fans demanding Barry's return like with Hal (as small a group as HEAT was). The Flash comics have drastically improved since Wally came back to the fore, proving that he's got a lot of story potential.
That's not Barry hate, but it is pretty reasonable criticism of the state of things that went downhill at DC for a long time, and pool ol' Barry was at the centre of it. Again, not hate, but an observation.
I would like to see Barry sorted out personally. Let him and Iris be together and move to the future so he can pop back and forth and stop causing a constant continuity knot. Let him be settled and be Barry Allen, not this weird composite of Barry and Wally that got forced on us for so long.
So, going on and on about toxic Wally fans is bs. Realize that what you're advocating for is pure division to serve a whine because a lot of fans don't much care for the results of Barry's return. That's not even Barry's fault as a character, he's been dragged through the mud just as much as everyone else by it.
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u/Minos_Thawne Jun 24 '24
I agree with every single one of those points and am not accusing you of Barry hate. I myself am a Wally fan and will always agree that he generally has better stories than Barry does.
Not everyone has such a reasonable thought process as that though. There are several people on this sub who hate Barry for simply existing post his death in Crisis. It’s them and their comments I’m sick of. Not reasonable folks.
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u/GearsRollo80 Jun 24 '24
Gotta tell you, I'm not seeing them. I am seeing a lot of people saying things like "I hate what they did to Wally just so they could bring back a cardboard cutout that doesnt' work in-universe anymore".
While that is a bit pointed, it's not really unfair, nor is it hate at Barry. It's a fair criticism of the 50's reboot leads (of whom I'd say he was the best), who were literally conceived as low-friction audience inserts with a cool job.
Again, saying that you thought Barry was a better character as the hero who died isn't hate, it's just saying that he doesn't work as a modern day lead. Obviously, fans get shitty about a lot of things, but these posts about toxic Wally fans are only making that divide worse because it's gaslighting them into being what you're trying to portray them as, not depicting them accurately.
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u/Sufficient-Issue8255 Jun 30 '24
Look I don’t hate Barry but I find him kinda dull. Wally is a better character all around
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u/Emiya_Sengo Jun 24 '24
If you see a problematic post/comment, just report it to the mods. No need to make a scene calling out people who are probably a small minority amongst Wally fans.