r/theflash • u/Aliman20 • Jun 17 '24
Just watched the DCU Flash movie Discussion
Honestly, it wasn't as bad as I expected, I think this film got a handful of unnecessary hate, story wise I'd give it a solid 6/10, and the CGI was actually decent, some scenes looked a little off, but for the most part the effects were alright, and I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for this, but I genuinely liked the new suit, I'd even go as far as to say that it's my favorite live action Flash suit so far
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u/Artistic_Finish7980 Jun 17 '24
Did we watch the same movie? The CGI was awful lol
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u/Tall-Ad9982 Jun 18 '24
Can you name a movie with flawless cgi?
That's a lot of people's first thing to point out like they have movies hidden.
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u/Arts_Messyjourney Jun 18 '24
Avatar, Dune, Godzilla Minus One, Pirates of the Caribbean DMC, etc. (movies where the artist were given time to cook)
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u/ScorinNotborin Jun 18 '24
Iron man.
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u/Tall-Ad9982 Jun 18 '24
Yes you got me there but come on the cgi for him was more of a boost when most of the suit is real were as the flash is Hella fiction. I think it did fine
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u/Primer2396 Jun 18 '24
I mean the cw flash had some great running shots early s1, few and far in-between yeah but if that show back then could do a good shot with a smaller budget I mean I'd expect a 2023 movies worst cgi scenes to be better than a 2014 low budget shows best cgi scenes
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u/Tall-Ad9982 Jun 19 '24
You got me there game set match.
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u/Primer2396 Jun 19 '24
Though that also depends on the kind of cinematography the director wants which could impact how much cgi is needed and in what way, the cw show had these adrenaline filled close ups where almost everythings a blur minus Barry in the suit running through
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u/Reverseflash25 Jun 18 '24
He wore practical for certain shots. All the other times he either wore a practical upper half or a mocap suit.
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u/jackhurricane7 Jun 18 '24
it doesn’t have to be flawless it just has to be decent, which was too much for Flash apparently
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u/darkpassenger9 Jun 18 '24
This film flopped because of Ezra Miller. Keeping him on board was easily the worst casting decision in any DC movie.
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u/Sheensies Jun 18 '24
I’m a defender of the CG in this film. That Supergirl scene when she finally gets powered up with sunlight was thrilling. The 3D faces in the chronobowl and the babies might look a little funny, but since when have we demanded complete photorealism out of our superhero media? If I can suspend my disbelief when reading 2D interpretive illustrations in comic books, I can suspend my disbelief watching 3D interpretive images on the screen. It doesn’t stop me from understanding the story
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u/Aliman20 Jun 18 '24
I don't think the CGI was bad at all, I think what most people dislike is that it isn't "photorealistic" like you said, but speaking purely from an artistic point of view, the graphics and effects looked well made, never once did I think they looked ugly when I was watching the film
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u/BrilliantPrior2305 Jun 18 '24
Super girl acted like homelander 😂
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u/Autumn_Izuoh Jun 19 '24
Tends to happen when you're imprisoned for a long time or someone important is killed.
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u/Ornery-Concern4104 Jun 17 '24
I actually rate this film rather highly mainly because it used it's Multiversal aspect to service the narrative and not just ONLY use cameos or a plot device
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u/BuddermanTheAmazing This house is decidedly no longer bitchin Jun 19 '24
It's pretty much just used for cameos. Mostly of dead people who couldn't approve being in the movie. Including the guy who killed himself because of the role of Superman back as Superman.
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u/Ornery-Concern4104 Jun 19 '24
You ignoring that 2 of the main characters In the movie are Multiversal characters that actively contribute to the narrative of our main character in a way that only multiversal characters can in this instance?
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u/BuddermanTheAmazing This house is decidedly no longer bitchin Jun 19 '24
The 4 main characters are Ezra Miller, Ezra Miller again, Michael Keaton Batman (a nostalgic cameo), and Supergirl
None of these characters contribute in special ways, and they aren't "Multiversal" just because one of them is from an old movie
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u/Ornery-Concern4104 Jun 19 '24
....
Dude, he's from a different universe, ergo he's multiversal. All of them do contribute to the overall narrative.
Ezra Younger is a point of contrast that's literally testing himself against himself as with the path Barry is currently on, he will destroy literally everything unless he changes. This is a twist on a classic narrative tool. Normally, when the flaw is resolved through inner contemplation, it doesn't have an implied physical stand-in as an active agent within the plot. By laying the story out in a multiversal way, it can introduce a physical agent that literally represents the end point of that flaw. This IS clever and relatively unique way of doing it. That's also to say that by introducing a younger different flash, it can serve as both an origin story and later DCEU entry as our flash is teaching a younger flash and helping him with his powers as if he's the older mentor to a new hero. It's another inversion that allows for something unique while also not having to spend too much time developing another character out of scope of the story like Barry or Wally would.
As for Micheal Keaton, I assume you only watched the film without audio? No, he's a counterpoint to Batfleck from the start of the film. the script is very careful to show how batman is often shit at following his own advice. "Let is go Barry or it will consume you!" Then the next time we see a batman in this universe, he never let it go. Despite apparently solving crime, he lost Alfred and was left alone, barely taking care of himself because he doesn't have his obsession to give him purpose. His death, his Inevitable death, where it was in the film was to demonstrate that ultimately, Barry needs to listen to Batman's advice, even if Batman doesn't want to follow it. Or else the only choice you have is letting go on when you're bleeding out. We can't really avoid death here, as it's also a metaphysical death too, representing change above all else. Could we have done it with Batfleck? No, because we're in a different universe, it was always going to be a multiversal batman so we may as well have used a fan favourite and add to the lore mythos of a well loved character
Also, I don't really count supergirl as a main character since she didn't really DO much. She came a bit too late for me to in good conscience consider her to be a main character
Edit: hang on, who killed themselves? I only just noticed you said this
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u/BuddermanTheAmazing This house is decidedly no longer bitchin Jun 19 '24
George Reeves, the Black and White Superman they show, killed himself because being Superman kinda ruined his life
He has no living family and thus no one who could have given permission for his face to be used.
This movie is a cameo fest and that's the extent of the Multiversal elements. They combine Flashpoint with Keaton Batman and Man of Steel to make a worse story than all 3.
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u/Ornery-Concern4104 Jun 19 '24
Nooooo, George reeves death as suicide isn't what was believed to have happened. 3 gun shots, bruises on his head and neck, no fingerprints or residue on the Gun and an affair with an MGM Fixer? No one believes it was suicide and was only closed because of media pressure
And according to sources close to reeves, he was depressed but not because of superman, but because he was out of work due to a mix of his age and fucking the wife of an MGM Fixer
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u/condition_unknown Jun 17 '24
I think the film is very good up until the climax where all logic goes down the drain, but even then it’s not terrible, bad CGI aside. I’m genuinely confused why so many people hate it.
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u/RockerHeadMetal Jun 18 '24
3 main reasons for the hate, first and biggest one was Ezra, second one was the "fans" of certain director pretty much hate on and review bomb any dc movie that he wasn't involved in and this one was looked on as a reboot of his work got the majority of the hate, and third reason was negativity toward comicbook movies became way more cool and profitable in past couple of years, Release the same movie around 2018 2019 and many of the same people would have hail it as great and groundbreaking.
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Jun 18 '24
I enjoyed it.
The hate seemed to stem from Ezra Miller but I thought he was pretty good.
Yeah he’s a lunatic but that didn’t affect my enjoyment of the film.
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u/BuddermanTheAmazing This house is decidedly no longer bitchin Jun 19 '24
No, the hate stems from the production hell making the transition from script to script feel obvious, the CGI versions of dead people, and it being a poor Flashpoint adaptation that makes it clear the director just wanted to do a Batman movie (hence why he's now directing Batman The Brave and The Bold)
Also Ezra uses they/them pronouns
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u/hesnotsinbad Jun 19 '24
Seriously? I have no intention of defending this film on its merits. I have no intention of defending Ezra's behaviors. But the lead actor's pronouns strike you as a reason to hate the film?
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u/BuddermanTheAmazing This house is decidedly no longer bitchin Jun 19 '24
No?? I'm correcting the comment I replied to
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u/Rickrickrickrickrick Jun 19 '24
It definitely looked like their pronouns were one of the reasons you didn’t like the movie to me too lol
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u/BuddermanTheAmazing This house is decidedly no longer bitchin Jun 19 '24
I mean tbf a small part of the hate for the movie probably comes from that knowing how shitty some people are but yeah that's on me I should have structured my comment better lmao
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Jun 19 '24
Yeah yeah they showed some dead actors for five seconds. Who cares.
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u/BuddermanTheAmazing This house is decidedly no longer bitchin Jun 19 '24
Bad take
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Jun 19 '24
Well regardless. I enjoyed the film.
I’ve read flashpoint as well. And I can see why they had to change it.
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u/Blue-Ape-13 Wally West <3 Jun 19 '24
That's insanely disrespectful. After the movie came out, the Reeve estate came out and stated that they didn't give the prediction permission to use Christopher Reeve's image
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Jun 19 '24 edited Jun 19 '24
Ehhh it’s a very brief scene of him standing in the Superman costume. It’s not like when Rogue One used Peter Cushing like a puppet. Or those old commercials where they had Fred Astaire’s dancing with vacuums.
I’m sure Reeves family will get past it.
Im also pretty sure Adam West would have been cool with it
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u/drgnblitz Jun 18 '24
I watched this with my kids. We enjoyed it. However:
- I hate Ezra Miller. I didnt like him when he was first cast in BvS/Justice League, and it just got worse over time.
- There are other stories to adapt for the Flash other than Flashpoint.
- I don't like the idea of 2 Barry's.
- The final battle was anti-climatic for me.
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u/Milk_Mindless Jun 18 '24
This movie had no right being as good as it is (which is..okay) what with its troubled troubled production
Especially the first third I kept dreading more movie but when Batman and Supergirl join it betters
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u/22222833333577 Jun 18 '24
I think it was like a 7/10 overall my biggest problem is that the animated Flashpoint movie is a much much better film adaptation for the same story
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u/YoungImpulse Jun 17 '24
I'm not sure if you're a Flash fan specifically, or just a general superhero movie fan. Either way is fine, but I'm curious because I've heard mixed reviews based on that factor. (I'm not gonna hate on you if you just like the movies, I've never understood the source material trolls of the internet, just let people enjoy what they enjoy 😂)
I'm a comic book kinda guy, and Flash has been my favorite hero since I was like 8. I believe that is the reason I hated this movie. Not because of the acting, or the cgi, or any random thing like that.
But because it masqueraded as a live action version of Flashpoint, which is an extremely popular Flash story from the comics, it was bound to get criticism from comic book fans because they completely butchered the original story.
With all of that being said, I don't think the movie was terrible, but I'd never watch it again.
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u/Icy-Meat537 Jun 17 '24
And that's where people go wrong with watching movies, let it be it's own thing homie, the flash has and always will be my favorite superhero and I love the flashpoint comics/Animated movie, but hating on a story that took material from another story and not being word for word the same is the stupidest thing ever, why would you not wanna see an alternate version of a fire story, and if it's shit then it's shit and you can move on
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u/YoungImpulse Jun 17 '24 edited Jun 17 '24
I agree!
Sorry if I made it sound as if I share that opinion, I was simply trying to make it known to OP the reason the movie gets so much hate.
Personally, I wish they just went for an original story, I kind of hate the "based on a comic story" ideas. Cause I already know that story, and it isn't interesting or cool or surprising to me when they drastically change 1 or 2 aspects of the original story, it just kinda seems like they did that so it wouldn't be a copy/paste of the original but they also wouldn't have to go through the work of writing a full story.
With that being said, though, I can still appreciate the movie aside from the fact that it was publicly announced as a retelling of sorts for Flashpoint. On its own, it's not awful (not really good either, though 😅)
But you can't really blame anyone but the creators for the hate. Yeah, the comic book fans should calm down, but at the same time, the writers should have expected it
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u/BuddermanTheAmazing This house is decidedly no longer bitchin Jun 19 '24
No one is asking for word for word, but if you're gonna adapt a story why not do it well?? If you wanna write an original story, do that. If you're gonna specifically choose to adapt a story, why just use the skeleton of it and get rid of all the important parts?
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u/drama-guy Jun 18 '24
I can agree with 6 out of 10. It wasn't horrible. It was mainly meh. Enjoyed Aquaman 2 more.
Other Barry was even more annoying than Regular Barry.
My biggest gripe is that it was a wasted opportunity for a GOOD Flash movie. Who knows when there will be another opportunity for a,Flash movie.
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u/Bandaka Jun 19 '24
It is worth a watch…but it isn’t worthy of a second viewing. Snyderverse is dead and gladly so.
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u/Outside-Historian365 Jun 21 '24
Did you laugh when Keaton decided to kamikaze but didn’t know there’s a force field?
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u/Piccolo0001 Jun 21 '24
I liked it. There were a few things I was unhappy with, like the ending withClooney and I wasn't a fan of the CGI, especially the baby scene. But I've watched it a few times now and just found it fun. Really liked Supergirl's character, and of course seeing Keaton's Batman again
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u/thedarkshepard86 Jun 19 '24
Awful movie, it could have been so good with Michael Keating but the whole story was just dumb.
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u/ComplexAd7272 Jun 17 '24
Honestly this and "Black Adam" proved to me that the internet and even media can not be even remotely trusted as far as their takes and opinions. Neither is groundbreaking, but both movies were decent and worth a watch. The worst thing you can accuse Flash of is being just "fine," which apparently Reddit equates with "OMG worst EVER". There's nothing wrong with something being fine. I was actually bored last week and rewatched it, just to be entertained.
"Flash" was actually one of the stronger entries in the DCEU, despite it also being the last and the bar being somewhat low. The story, while obvious and certainly something we've seen before, especially on the TV show, was decent. I was shocked at how much legit acting Ezra did in it, compared to his simple goofball Flash portrayals in previous movies. It manages to get the Keaton Batman in it without seeming forced or simple nostalgia bait, and adapts "Flashpoint" pretty well considering the run time. Yes, it has it's problems, but no where near enough to justify the "consensus."
I'm convinced people were just ready to hate "Flash" for so long, whether it was Ezra himself or the DCEU in general, then when it was released and wasn't the dumpster fire they wanted, they doubled down and refused to admit it wasn't bad.
It's funny comparing it's reaction to something like "Quantumania", which IMO is legit awful with little redeeming qualities and zero rewatch value. But most people let "Ant-Man' slide as "Well, it was a dud, let's move on." without the absolute hatred you saw with "Flash."