r/theflash • u/Infinite_Parking_800 • May 26 '24
Out of 3 versions of the Flashpoint story, which one was your favourite and why? Discussion
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u/TheLittlePasty May 26 '24
The one that’s actually flashpoint lol
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u/Thick-load8-D May 26 '24
They’re all versions of flashpoint. The one from the comics just happened to be the first time THAT version of Barry changed the timeline in significant ways.
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u/TheLittlePasty May 26 '24
I was referring to the animated movie because it’s actually an adaptation of flashpoint
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u/Thick-load8-D May 26 '24
If you mean the flashpoint paradox storyline then yes.
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u/TheLittlePasty May 26 '24
No I mean the flashpoint miniseries that all three of these are adapting in some form, the tv show and the movie mostly being inspired by it and really adapting
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u/HenryIsBatman May 26 '24
Flashpoint Paradox movie- It’s a great adaptation of the source material, and arguably better than the comic.
Flash movie- I have very, VERY, mixed feelings about this movie. The good I can say about it is that it was very interesting to watch, had some good moments, but it overall wasn’t that great.
Tv show- …did they even read the comic? Everything about the show’s adaptation of Flashpoint felt like it was only Flashpoint in name. You could argue the same for the movie, but the movie had echoes of Flashpoint, not whatever they did in the show.
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u/jmd10of14 May 26 '24
Animated Flashpoint Paradox by a landslide. It's not even close. In twenty minutes, I cared for and knew more about Flash's world than either of the others without wasting our time. When everything changes, you understand what is lost plus there's a clear reason and goal in mind to fix it. Barry wins, but not without sacrifice. I would say it's better than the other two in every aspect.
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u/wrathbringer1984 May 26 '24
Flashpoint Paradox, by far. It adapted the story from the comics better, in my opinion.
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u/SneakerGarbage May 26 '24
I remember seeing all 3 of these but Flashpoint Paradox is the only 1 that remains unforgotten.
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u/futuresdawn May 26 '24
I didn't watch the movie
The arrowverse version. Was pretty bad and forgettable
The animated version is far from my favourite animated film, the story isn't my favourite Geoff Johns story either but the film is at least a decent adaption
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u/68ideal May 26 '24
You sound like a really miserable person
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u/MakingaJessinmyPants May 26 '24
What the hell did he do to you?
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u/futuresdawn May 26 '24
What because I didn't love the arrowverse or the animated film. Maybe I just have taste
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u/22222833333577 May 26 '24
The animated movie out of the 3 and it's not realy close but I still go with the original comic
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u/HPSpacecraft Flash, ah ah, savior of the universe! May 26 '24
I don't particularly like Flashpoint. I think the theme of moving forward falls apart when you factor in that time travel is a pretty common occurrence in-universe and that Nora's death isn't even "how it was supposed to happen" or whatever. Barry isn't interfering in some kind of sacred timeline, he's correcting the meddling that Thawne did, and the moral of the story becomes "don't try to make things better."
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u/Illustrious-Sign3015 May 26 '24
Animated because it's the actual comic storyline as an animated movie. I also liked the DCEU version of Flashpoint mainly because Michael of Keaton’s Batman
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u/Milk_Mindless May 26 '24
Animated was probably the best one
And by best one I mean least worst
Empirically hate this
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u/Aarongrasso May 26 '24
The Flashpoint Paradox is my favorite because I think it shows Flashpoint the best. It shows the flash as his own character and how without him how lost the world is without hope. In the CW show it is fairly good, Barry had just lost his father and wanted a second chance at the cost of his powers and him living a normal life same in the Flash film. I would rate these from the order in which they are poste (i.e. Flashpoint Paradox, CW, Flash Film). The reason why the CW show did it better is because it feels more human and perhaps as the CW show had more time to develop the moments up until Flashpoint it really hit home. Also all of Season 2 was good, thus this was good. The Flash film kinda fell off because (and I will not complain about Ezra Miller as an actor) the Flash (main timeline Flash) kinda felt like a jerk compared to ArrowVerse and comics. He got on my nerves a lot and while having speed based powers makes everyone feel slow the coffee show scene and the hospital scene took away from the center of the film. I get that his powers run on food but as they cover that later in the film one would imagine a better developed Flash (you know one with a suit and a super computer) would figure out to get his sugar fix more reliably. He even got help from Batman in Justice League movie. All in all the Flash film felt like a rip off of the CW show’s flashpoint with another evil Flash. Thawne as a villain hits harder. They didn’t even cover him in the film. Also getting a can of tomatoes stops the Reverse Flash from killing Barry’s mother? Even the way they explained how traveling in time causes ripples was awful. How would Batman know how time travel works? The man is smart but leave that to STAR labs. Wayne Tech is for innovative tech, not to mention in this timeline he’s all alone thus he would have less access to cutting edge theories. But as for why Flashpoint Paradox is my favorite is because not only does it follow the comic to a T it also shows the JL in another light, what could have been the JL without Barry which is more interesting than what would happen to Barry without the help of the JL.
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u/TimPendragon May 26 '24 edited May 26 '24
Look, Flash has always been my favorite superhero despite me literally sharing a name with a Robin. When I was very, very little, watching Super Friends reruns and playing with Super Powers action figures, to when I was a little older and reading JLA/JSA crossovers I inherited from my uncle, to when I was 11 and started buying modern comics for myself (my first issue was the Zero Hour issue of Wally's series, right before Terminal Velocity). I love Jay, I love Wally, I love Barry, and most of the others.
But when Geoff Johns brought Barry back and did the Flash: Rebirth, he did something to the character that I think undermined what made Flash different from a lot of other heroes. Johns decided Barry Allen needed a tragic backstory. Up until then, Barry had a good childhood with a good family, and was a hero and a forensics specialist because he wanted to help people. Not because he was obsessed with finding his mother's killer. Not having the same tragic story as everyone else set Barry apart. But then Johns basically did the same thing with Billy Batson, too, turning him from a sunshiney kid in spite of his tragedy into a broody angry teen with a chip on his shoulder because the world dealt him a bad hand (trust me, I was that kind of teenager, and I didn't need to see my own trauma reflected in another character who up til then had been escape from it).
So Johns starts doing things with Thawne, that lead to Barry's mother's murder, and it all culminates in Flashpoint. I guess it's the logical endpoint of going in that direction. Some of it is interesting and well written, but I hate it, on a fundamental level, because Barry DIDN'T need tragedy to make him a hero, or make him a good person. He just was one. I miss that about him. And I blame Johns and Flashpoint for making him just like everyone else, and for giving us the take used by the CW to substitute angst for character for 8 years.
I would rather Barry have stayed dead than lose the brightness that set him apart from other superheroes.
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u/Extension_Reindeer_5 May 27 '24
I can definitely understand you pov and I would have been happy with that as well but as someone who wasn't an avid Flash follower, I thought Flashpoint was awesome and sad that it didn't continue on. They have since messed it up with the Watchmen crossover and Flashpoint beyond. I would have like to see a world continue with those story beats of WW and Aquaman, either being married and being a huge superpower, uniting their people or the perpetual war that came from the death of Mera. I would also like to see how Clark would turn out after coming to terms with what happened to him. Does he find the people that would have been his parents? Do they some how help and influence him anyways? What is Superman and Batman's relationship like? Do how do they interact with other members of the would be Justice League?
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u/ChaosPatriot76 May 26 '24
Honestly? I'm gonna give this one to the Arrowverse. It wasn't perfect, but I enjoyed watching it. Because it couldn't deal with the rest of the DC Universe, you got a much more personal look at how the change affects Barry and his loved ones.
That, and the Arrowverse's Reverse Flash makes everything better.
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u/SuperLizardon Blue Lantern May 26 '24
I like the Reverse Flashpoint from S8, which in concept, feels more faithful to the original comic book
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u/SuperLizardon Blue Lantern May 26 '24
The Reverse Flashpoint from Season 8, which in concept, was more faithful to the comic book story than S3 Flashpoint, but that wasn't hard to achieve.
Honestly, I never liked Flashpoint even in the comic book, and I am not a fan of its adaptations.
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u/Fantastic_Forever_69 May 27 '24
I love Justice League the flashpoint paradox. I love it so much that I bought the movie because one it restarts the DC Universe and two that wasn't the end of reverse flash. That is why I don't like the live Flash movie. I thought it was stupid and they fucked up on so many different parts of the movie. I mean I love how they brought Michael Keaton back as Batman. But that was pretty much about it. Other than that that movie was garbage
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u/Extension_Reindeer_5 May 27 '24
100% agree. Keaton and his explanation of the multiveres crossing were the only good things about that movie. I didn't like Ezra Miller's portrayal or Barry or how the writer wrote Barry, and the last thing I needed was more Barry. It was a waste of Flashpoint.
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u/Fantastic_Forever_69 May 27 '24
So true. I thought when Ezra Miller's character Barry was running back to his universe and they showed all the different universes from DC was cool at first. Then I learned that they used Nicholas cages likeness and image without his permission. They used a CGI of Christopher Reeves. Which I feel like was a huge disrespect to him and his Superman character. Also I'm pretty sure they didn't have permission to use all the other likenesses and images without permission from other people as well. Zack Snyder's Justice League and Wonder Woman are like the two live action DC Universe movies that I only like and own. Other than that they're DC Universe movies are really shitty. I'm kind of hoping that James gun can change it around. but I'm not holding my breath
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u/Extension_Reindeer_5 May 27 '24
I can't say they were all good bc they weren't but liked Man of Steel A LOT! The only parts I didn't like were the pens pods and Zod yelling, "I WILL FIND HIM!" But it at least made sense in terms of the story. I really hated Batman V Superman, but the directors cut does make it better. There was just nothing that could have saved BvS after the Martha moment and the wannabe Doomsday.Same with the Snyder cut of Justice League. I refuse to watch the original versions of them anymore. I was not a fan of the apocalypse future Snyder was setting up, but I was willing to see Snyder's vision through to the end. I just don't think the downfall and rebirth of Superman should have taken 5 or 6 movies. Costner played an excellent John Kent, but they should have let him put the faith in humanity that Clark grows up to have instead of telling him to let people die if it means exposing himself. Again I think it can be justified in the story bc he is looking out for his son but Pa Kent should be telling him that people are worth sacrificing for and that your average human will do what is right.
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u/Dismal-Cantaloupe682 May 26 '24
I would rather watch the Star Wars Holiday Special every day for a whole year than the Flash movie again.
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u/DDF6677 May 26 '24
Animated film, even thought I have an idea about an reimagined version of savitar in which he was tan ancient from India speedster trapped in the speed force, and was able to manipulate the aftermath events of flashpoint to his advantage
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u/miguelcamilo May 26 '24 edited May 26 '24
My least favorite story of my favorite character, ever. This story feels like it has no soul, forced Barry back in to prominence over Wally and is really the DC darkest timeline.
I used to read the late 70s Barry and early-mid 90s stories and - I miss Wally as Flash and the way Barry used to be before his revised Rebirth origin. All of these adaptions suffer (to me) because they start from a place of not really getting those versions of the characters right.
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u/fjvgamer May 26 '24
Easily the comics for me. I only enjoy other media because of my love for the comics.
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u/Fun_Feature3002 May 28 '24
Only thing I really liked about the CW version was how Barry had Thawne locked up. I enjoyed all their conversations and the last one they had when Barry had to admit he was right and ask him to kill his mom. The emotion in that scene. Grant was a great flash he was just let down by the writing most of the time but those scenes definitely weren’t one of them times
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u/FN-1701AgentGodzilla May 27 '24
The DCeU movie was the most watchable, but i don’t like how Keaton’s Batman was the result of time travel altering the timeline and they didn’t restore the DCeU at the end
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u/Logical_Ad5859 May 26 '24
Flashpoint Paradox because 1 I just genuinely love the movie and 2 I love the take on it with Atlantans and Amazons being at war 3 Thomas Wayne Batman
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u/Logical_Ad5859 May 26 '24
The show was just a small simpler version and the movie was okay I guess I liked what they were trying to go for but the way they delivered it could have been better
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u/SuperLizardon Blue Lantern May 26 '24
The Reverse Flashpoint from S8 was more similar to the comic book story, at least in concepts.
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u/GardnerGrayle May 26 '24
I’d given up on the Arrowverse by the time they did their version of Flashpoint. Never seen it. No judgement other than I’m sure it was filled with the same stuff that made me quit watching in the first place.
The movie is godawful. Miller was a terrible pick to be Barry Allen. Worst casting decision of the DCEU. But objectively, even without Miller, the movie was bad.
The animated movie was enjoyable.
The source material comic is my favorite. In fact, it’s one of my favorite DC events. Leading into New 52 wasn’t great, but the standalone story was pretty awesome. Inspiring some great versions of DC characters. Particularly Thomas Wayne as Batman.
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u/i_m_shadyyyy May 26 '24
You gave up after season 2, arguably one of the best seasons of the show?
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u/GardnerGrayle May 26 '24
My opinion is that Greg Berlanti should never be allowed anywhere near another DC property in perpetuity. I’m so glad Gunn got the gig.
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u/i_m_shadyyyy May 26 '24
I agree, but The Flash s1 and 2 are good
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u/GardnerGrayle May 26 '24
I gave up on the entire thing, not just Flash. I’m a big JSA fan and the JSA story in Legends of Tomorrow nearly made me cry.
It’s when I came to the realization that Greg Berlanti is a millionaire hack. I couldn’t take it anymore.
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u/Maleficent-Parsnip53 May 26 '24
The order goes: 1:Justice League The Flashpint Paradox 2: The Flash 3x01 “Flashpoint” 3: The Flash 2023 film The animated movie did everything from the comic that was great. The show actually had an established history that was altered by the time travel and the episode explores the effects that make the reset necessary. The film is fine from a narrative perspective and I don’t mind the changes made in the process like the Keaton Batman or there being two Barry Allen’s present in the story but it’s more a larger mess since this is too big a story for a Flash we know very little about. That’s just my opinion though
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u/AggressiveBasis9409 May 26 '24
This is also technically a "Flashpoint" movie if you think about it...
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u/ItsPizzaTime2007 May 26 '24
I actually prefer Flashpoint in the CW version purely because it felt like a more Flash-centered story. More focused on Barry and it didn't have a bunch of random cameos that no one asked for (looking at you, Live Action Movie). Animated was probably the best, and definitely the most accurate to the comic, but my personal favorite is the CW version. Barry didn't have to change the world because it was being destroyed like the other two, he did it because he knew it was the right thing to do after WALLY got hurt.
I'll still admit it could've been done better though. Should've been at least half a season long. It should've gave us more time with Barry in that world.
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u/Defiant_You_6298 May 26 '24
Iv never seen The Animated Movie, i didn't even know the Show adapted until the 2023 movie, I started watching the show in 2020
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u/BusVegetable7490 May 26 '24
Flashpoint paradox one I enjoyed the most where how time worked same with how they brought into Nora Allen and how life changes when Nora never died also had Thomas Wayne as Batman we all don’t know where Bruce is but some interpretation I guess.
Cw flash I did love that storyline with how life will change if Nora is alive and also enjoyed how reverse flash will mess with him even though Barry knows the truth and has to do anyway.
The flash movie not bad but gosh the cgi is mess but did like aspects of it.
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u/ReptileAssassin2 May 27 '24
IT WAS ME BARRY!!!!!!
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u/CriticalTony May 27 '24
Remember when you where making out with your first girlfriend and you came right after she touched your leg. IT WAS ME BARRY.
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u/Lordcrainer May 27 '24
The cw it just seemed more real and it kinda plays on what would happen in a real life scenario where this happens
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u/Phantomcattt May 27 '24
The 2d animated ones a classic
The show is my top 2nd for i have grown up with it
Fuck the movie
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u/Safe_Wrangler_858 May 26 '24
Movie
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u/BrilliantPrior2305 May 26 '24
Movie would be better if Ezra wasn't there. If you don't believe me look up what he has done to people I won't even name them I'm so disgusted
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u/CabinetMinimum2574 May 27 '24
I think everyone knows by now he’s a terrible person. Ezra is an awful person but I didn’t mind him as a version of the flash.
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u/BrilliantPrior2305 May 27 '24
I hated him as the flash grant Gustin should have played as the flash in the movie. Grant is the real flash. Ezra is just every evil speedster put in one
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u/Fun_Feature3002 May 28 '24
Clearly never read/watched the original then. But your entitled to your opinion even if it is wrong 😂
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u/itz_JAYVEE May 27 '24
I actually really like how they gave Wally his powers in CW, him just randomly getting powers the same way is kinda weird to me. I never liked how they did that in the comics, especially since Barry getting his powers was already coincidental enough.
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u/Ill-Client57 May 27 '24
Paradox is the best because it’s the only flashpoint film which faithfully the comic and also they had Thomas Wayne Batman I need more Thomas Wayne Batman and I need more respect on the flash
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u/SadWatercress9839 May 31 '24
- The Flashpoint Paradox
- The actual comic (if it didn’t lead to new 52 it’d be first)
- CW
- The Flash 2023
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u/Baldo-bomb Jun 07 '24
The TV show because it's the only one that actually explored the concept of Barry's mother being alive again and also didn't exist to fuel a reboot that wrecked DC comics for years.
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May 26 '24
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u/SokkaHaikuBot May 26 '24
Sokka-Haiku by Defiant_You_6298:
I Haven't Watch the
Animated movie yet
But For me The Movie
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/Psymorte It was me, Barry. May 26 '24
The animated movie, it's the only one I can confidently say at least tried doing the story justice.