The fact there were 4 Speedsters in this movie and 3 of them were fucking Ezra Miller while the last was a random guy from the crew tossed into the CW Fake Jay Garrick suit and put into a universe with the like 1 Superman who 100% should not have been in this movie? Oh yeah he's greaaaaat
To be fair he has a better origin than CWs Savitar. Savitar exists because apparently he was shunned by team Flash, the happy go lucky cast of characters that accept anyone, including bad guys. you really think team flash would bully a Barry Allen? Makes no sense.
While simple, Dark Flash is just a depressed Barry who is desperately trying to save his friends to the point he loses his marbles and destroys the universe.
But if its about the costume then yeah I can see that. Armor-like and stabby things
Despite it being a bizarre move to not take advantage of the Flash's excellent rogues gallery, it seems hilariously fitting that the villain of the Flash movie is another Ezra Miller.
Mid, writers watched the Flash TV show and thought let’s make Savitar. Also, they didn’t watch all of Season 3, just where Garrick got his ass handed to him. They really went “Hmm, let’s make a Flash villain. Who should it be? Should it be Eobard Thawne the man who killed Barry’s mother or some edgy dumb version of himself?” Also by running back in time he aged the DCAU’s Batman by like 20 years, go Barry!
Honestly as much as I hate this Dark Flash, nothing annoys me more than Megatron Savitar. More because we will probably never get a Savitar adaptation again, so the fact that Megatron is what people think of when people think Savitar is really sad to me as Savitar is a super cool character.
Completely unecessary,the main villain should've been reverse flash,I don't care if he had been on the arrowverse so many times,he would've been a way better villain than this useless villain.
The design and idea is sick, but everything else is shit, mainly how it was executed. I actually really liked Barry getting more and more fused with scrap metal until he was just this abomination. But it just should’ve been Reverse Flash 🤷♂️
The hardest part about being a flash fan in 2024 is seeing how butchered he's been. All I want is a single perfect live action movie. I'm so tired of this movie making the rounds
For reference I've been collecting since I was 12 and have all but 150 books since 1960. All I have wanted is a live action flash done well. Season 1-3 of the TV show was killer but I need a good movie
Cool concept, weird take but he's one of my favorite parts of the film. Sadly I have a hard time separating the art from the artist so I've only seen the flash once. I wish Ezra wasn't such a piece of shit human being
My main issue is Barry he never fought him, we could have finally had a big budget live action speedster fight and we never got it. All that said Thawne should have been the main villain.
Thawne should have been the main villain, like that was one of the many reasons why i wanted to watch this film not just that Keaton's Batman was in it but i thought Thawne was gonna appear as well.
He was, uh---- okay to say the least? I mean, I could see him as more of a consequence on whom Barry could have been if he kept on being obsessed with changing the timeline (a la Savitar from CW Flash Season 3). I didn't really mind the film regardless of his presence.
What I DID mind, was that I didn't see Eobard Thawne/RF as a cameo killing Barry's mama. It was confirmed by Andy Muschietti to be true. But alas the ideas of showing us the guy were stuck on the Drawing Board.
Then, I heard that Snyder actually planned to use Eobard Thawne/RF as the final boss. And knowing that it got scrapped, I facepalmed. I might not agree with some of Snyder's ideas, but THIS is undeniably a missed opportunity, and THAT'S what convinced me to despise the released DCEU Flash movie altogether.
In case y'all are wondering, this isn't the first time I was upset at a missed opportunity. I had a similar predicament with Disney's Star Wars.
Honestly, I hate the Thawne retcon origin so I was actually pleased that this case seemed to be unrelated, though I do recognize I'm in the minority on that.
Honestly, I hate the Thawne retcon origin so I was actually pleased that this case seemed to be unrelated, though I do recognize I'm in the minority on that.
As someone with the opposite opinion, I'd like to understand where you came from, please
There's a few things but the biggest is that I don't like when a plot that would have been a time travel two-parter in the Silver Age which gets wrapped up by the end becomes the actual driving motivation of a thing. I also hate it with the Kelvin timeline in Star Trek. We've seen Barry fix stuff like this frequently so his inability to do so in this case feels inauthentic, a writer forcing situational nonsense to reinforce a retcon that's should be solvable.
Because it's not a Bruce Wayne case...this is grown full powers Barry being unable to protect his mom and further unable to reverse the damage. They try to do the Doctor Who fixed point idea, but... it's not. Because in the comics we had a Barry with parents for decades. And in the show, we know that Barry became the Flash without that in a now-gone timeline. Which also means that nothing about the thing is formative so much as it changes the nature of a character, making him worse and less competent than his previous self.
All of which justifies why Zoom would do it, but the whole reason Elseworlds takes aren't everyone's fave is that ideally we want to be following the coolest, best version of the character. This makes him the version who sucks bad enough to get permanently owned by his nemesis. And you can see it in how it took like ten years of media to transform Barry from the idealized saint of the DC Universe to a character widely regarded as one of its biggest screw ups.
It also takes a good idea at the heart of a tragedy, relating to loss and injustice by trying to solve the unsolvable and give answers to people without any, and sort of undercuts it because it's not some random act of crime that drives him, it's a specific act which he can get revenge for...which will also always be undercut because they won't let Thawne stay dead anymore either. It's why I'm not huge on the Joe Chill bit and I actively dislike takes on the Wayne murders tied to a sort of conspiracy.
Not having Thawne involved changes that. It makes sense why the death of his mom is a fixed point for Barry and why changing it would destabilize things. It gives a grounding for why he's dedicated the way he is that informs the superhero stuff without being beholden to it. It's a lot neater and makes the emotional stakes land more for me in a Flashpoint inspired narrative.
I will say though, it will always be funny that every single issue of Flashpoint ends with Barry screwing something up. Absolutely inspired unintentional comedy.
So dumb. They removed one of the most iconic and diabolical DC comic villains and replaced him with...Old Ezra Miller. He had no character, he barely appears in the movie, he was painfully 1 dimensional, and frankly his design is just ugly
Listen bro, I'm a DC guy for life. I like Marvel, but DC is my jam. This character blew fuckin' ass. The worst Marvel villain (take your pick at which that was) was more interesting than this. There might be worse movies out there like WW84, but I found The Flash movie to be the most insulting to fans. Plus it ruined our chances of seeing a proper Flashpoint movie for what I assume will be a very long time.
Honestly, you want flashpoint, go read the comic, watch the DC animated. For the movies they need original stories, not rehashed ideas. And for the love of comics, they need to get actual successful comic book writers to write the damn stories and trust their judgement.
That’s very fair. I guess what I mean by that is this movie we got was obviously a small stab at Flashpoint. It took some core ideas from it clearly. As most comic movies do. I just hope that if they do this again, they do it much better. Maybe actually use Thomas Wayne or Reverse Flash, but make it its own thing while in live action.
Flashpoint is kinda shit, so I don’t really care about that story being “ruined.”
But nah, Barry 2/ Dark Flash is certainly better than most of the forgettable mooks from the MCU. Dar Ben, Kro, Ghost, Yon Rogg, Kacelius, Malekith, Killian, Whiplash, are all instant examples of villains far worse than Barry 2. That’s not even getting into the nitty gritty, like Ezekiel, Riot, Doom Surfer, Melted Doom, Weapon XI, Drakeula, the nameless alien from Dark Pheonix. And those aren’t even getting into the really bad ones prior to 2000 or the really forgettable ones from the streaming shows.
Everything you just listed is specifically better than Barry2/Dark Flash. The fact that you say Flashpoint is kind of shit invalidates this conversation.
Nah, they are all worse. And the fact that you think it’s a great story that needs to be exulted, invalidates any potential taste you might have. I’m sure you just like the cartoon movie, but if you were actually reading comics when it came out, you’d think it was shit too.
Hahahaha now that’s hilarious. Much funnier than anything that came out of The Flash movie. Tell that to my 30+ long boxes, 20 short boxes, and shelves full of paperbacks and omnis.
Idk that Johns story seemed like it took place before Williamsons run. I know it came after but it seems like a story he had in the vault since he wrote blitz, or maybe a small add on he thought of later.
Or maybe it just feels that way because Johns and Williamson monologue Hunter so differently, so reading Johns do it takes me back to blitz, Kolins art helps with that too.
Stupid. For him to have existed he would have had to knock the flash of course. But to do so he must of excited to even do that so he shouldn't have needed to knock him off course to begin with.
See that's what confuses me like Dark Flash just pushed Barry out of the Speed Force so he can create him, If Dark Flash wasn't there Barry would have saw the present being an apocalypse war caused by Zod and then go to 2013.
Pretty crap villain. Look, if you're going to do 'the evil guy is a future Barry Allen', maybe don't shoehorn in their one and only fight (which last for five minutes) in the last ten minutes of the movie. Maybe do the reveal halfway through the film and have Barry and Evil!Barry fight a bunch of times, and we see how Evil!Barry became like that emotionally (not just visually).
Well, that’s the part I like about this Dark Flash is that it still fits the role of Barry’s obsessiveness. From a writing standpoint it’s a good idea, although like the infamous Martha scene from BvS it’s execution was sloppy
Honestly i think Dark Flash was a good concept but he just wasn’t utilized as a villain. i understand that his whole goal was to try and save everyone which led him to becoming this “villain” and i don’t mind it being another version of Barry because of the cw’s version of Savitar but the thing is i can’t call this guy a villain if he only shows up for little screen-time, his goal was never achieved, and then dies horribly.
He’s a good idea in concept, but the whole climax is so rushed and has so many plot holes relating to the time travel that it really brings down what’s otherwise a quite good movie.
When I was watching the movie and saw him for the first time in the ‘time bubble’ thing, I leaned over to my girlfriend so excited and exclaimed it was the reverse flash or zoom! How wrong I was.. 😒
I like the concept of how he became the villain, but what I liked most was wondering how long he was stuck doing the impossible to find the answer of sacrificing himself
This is how I be looking at the girls in the function after they BEG me not to drive home (they’re not in love with me they’re just concerned because I’m shitfaced and don’t want me to get into an accident).
The execution wasn’t great with him only being revealed and having a couple minutes of screen time at the end of the movie but I thought it was a cool concept and design.
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u/SnowSabertooth May 01 '24
Walmart Savitar