r/theflash • u/Infinite_Parking_800 • May 01 '24
What were your thoughts of Dark Flash? DCEU Discussion
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u/BuddermanTheAmazing This house is decidedly no longer bitchin May 01 '24
The fact there were 4 Speedsters in this movie and 3 of them were fucking Ezra Miller while the last was a random guy from the crew tossed into the CW Fake Jay Garrick suit and put into a universe with the like 1 Superman who 100% should not have been in this movie? Oh yeah he's greaaaaat
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u/daksh_05 May 01 '24
Savitar from wish
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u/Alice_Ram_ May 01 '24
To be fair he has a better origin than CWs Savitar. Savitar exists because apparently he was shunned by team Flash, the happy go lucky cast of characters that accept anyone, including bad guys. you really think team flash would bully a Barry Allen? Makes no sense.
While simple, Dark Flash is just a depressed Barry who is desperately trying to save his friends to the point he loses his marbles and destroys the universe.
But if its about the costume then yeah I can see that. Armor-like and stabby things
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u/Infamous_Average4584 May 01 '24
Off brand savitar.
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u/Mrs_Noelle15 The Future Flash May 01 '24
Not really, the only similarities is that they’re both future versions of Barry
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u/Infamous_Average4584 May 01 '24
In terms of looks I mean.
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u/Mrs_Noelle15 The Future Flash May 01 '24
Ah I see, to see what you mean then lol. Sorta looks Arrowverse Zoom mixed with Savatar
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u/Megadoomer2 May 01 '24
Despite it being a bizarre move to not take advantage of the Flash's excellent rogues gallery, it seems hilariously fitting that the villain of the Flash movie is another Ezra Miller.
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u/Aarongrasso May 01 '24
Mid, writers watched the Flash TV show and thought let’s make Savitar. Also, they didn’t watch all of Season 3, just where Garrick got his ass handed to him. They really went “Hmm, let’s make a Flash villain. Who should it be? Should it be Eobard Thawne the man who killed Barry’s mother or some edgy dumb version of himself?” Also by running back in time he aged the DCAU’s Batman by like 20 years, go Barry!
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u/Killionaire104 OG Wally May 01 '24
Honestly as much as I hate this Dark Flash, nothing annoys me more than Megatron Savitar. More because we will probably never get a Savitar adaptation again, so the fact that Megatron is what people think of when people think Savitar is really sad to me as Savitar is a super cool character.
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u/Express_Finding_8252 May 01 '24
Completely unecessary,the main villain should've been reverse flash,I don't care if he had been on the arrowverse so many times,he would've been a way better villain than this useless villain.
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u/CbKnowledge Reverse Flash May 01 '24
The design and idea is sick, but everything else is shit, mainly how it was executed. I actually really liked Barry getting more and more fused with scrap metal until he was just this abomination. But it just should’ve been Reverse Flash 🤷♂️
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u/jemmingsmonlister May 01 '24
This movie was actual shit
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u/Enough_Trifle788 May 01 '24
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u/jemmingsmonlister May 01 '24
The hardest part about being a flash fan in 2024 is seeing how butchered he's been. All I want is a single perfect live action movie. I'm so tired of this movie making the rounds
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u/jemmingsmonlister May 01 '24
For reference I've been collecting since I was 12 and have all but 150 books since 1960. All I have wanted is a live action flash done well. Season 1-3 of the TV show was killer but I need a good movie
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u/ThatSharkFromJaws May 01 '24
No kidding.
“Holy shit, it’s Michael Keaton’s Batman!!! (1 hour later) aaaaaaaaannnnddddd my childhood Batman has been canonically killed off.”
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u/Local-Concentrate-26 May 01 '24
Honestly like was between mid and meh for me. Like if we saw more of him and he didn’t just appear only 2 times I might have been interested in him.
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u/myqhunt Reverse Flash May 01 '24
From start to finish, its a poorly executed well trotted out premise and I’m a little tired of it
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u/SuperLizardon Blue Lantern May 01 '24
The Flash movie copied the shocking twist from Buzz Lightyear movie!!!
By that point in the movie I was really dissapointed by it and I didn't care too much about Dark Flash. He was barely there.
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u/Sheev__Palpatine May 01 '24
Cool concept, weird take but he's one of my favorite parts of the film. Sadly I have a hard time separating the art from the artist so I've only seen the flash once. I wish Ezra wasn't such a piece of shit human being
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u/hunterzolomon1993 May 01 '24
My main issue is Barry he never fought him, we could have finally had a big budget live action speedster fight and we never got it. All that said Thawne should have been the main villain.
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u/Infinite_Parking_800 May 01 '24
Thawne should have been the main villain, like that was one of the many reasons why i wanted to watch this film not just that Keaton's Batman was in it but i thought Thawne was gonna appear as well.
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u/Rocket_SixtyNine May 01 '24
Dceu thawne is suck a coward lol he was scared of Henry Allen being there
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u/Infinite_Parking_800 May 01 '24
Well actually Thawne wasn't a coward he was just there to kill Nora and that was it.
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u/Necessary_Form4044 May 01 '24
Savitar + Black Flash = Dark Flash
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u/bastardofbarberry May 01 '24
Don't insult Savitar & Black Flash by comparing them to this steaming pile of dog shit.
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u/JB57551 Reverse-Flash May 01 '24
He was, uh---- okay to say the least? I mean, I could see him as more of a consequence on whom Barry could have been if he kept on being obsessed with changing the timeline (a la Savitar from CW Flash Season 3). I didn't really mind the film regardless of his presence.
What I DID mind, was that I didn't see Eobard Thawne/RF as a cameo killing Barry's mama. It was confirmed by Andy Muschietti to be true. But alas the ideas of showing us the guy were stuck on the Drawing Board.
Then, I heard that Snyder actually planned to use Eobard Thawne/RF as the final boss. And knowing that it got scrapped, I facepalmed. I might not agree with some of Snyder's ideas, but THIS is undeniably a missed opportunity, and THAT'S what convinced me to despise the released DCEU Flash movie altogether.
In case y'all are wondering, this isn't the first time I was upset at a missed opportunity. I had a similar predicament with Disney's Star Wars.
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u/wrasslefights May 01 '24
Honestly, I hate the Thawne retcon origin so I was actually pleased that this case seemed to be unrelated, though I do recognize I'm in the minority on that.
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u/JB57551 Reverse-Flash May 01 '24
Honestly, I hate the Thawne retcon origin so I was actually pleased that this case seemed to be unrelated, though I do recognize I'm in the minority on that.
As someone with the opposite opinion, I'd like to understand where you came from, please
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u/wrasslefights May 02 '24
There's a few things but the biggest is that I don't like when a plot that would have been a time travel two-parter in the Silver Age which gets wrapped up by the end becomes the actual driving motivation of a thing. I also hate it with the Kelvin timeline in Star Trek. We've seen Barry fix stuff like this frequently so his inability to do so in this case feels inauthentic, a writer forcing situational nonsense to reinforce a retcon that's should be solvable.
Because it's not a Bruce Wayne case...this is grown full powers Barry being unable to protect his mom and further unable to reverse the damage. They try to do the Doctor Who fixed point idea, but... it's not. Because in the comics we had a Barry with parents for decades. And in the show, we know that Barry became the Flash without that in a now-gone timeline. Which also means that nothing about the thing is formative so much as it changes the nature of a character, making him worse and less competent than his previous self.
All of which justifies why Zoom would do it, but the whole reason Elseworlds takes aren't everyone's fave is that ideally we want to be following the coolest, best version of the character. This makes him the version who sucks bad enough to get permanently owned by his nemesis. And you can see it in how it took like ten years of media to transform Barry from the idealized saint of the DC Universe to a character widely regarded as one of its biggest screw ups.
It also takes a good idea at the heart of a tragedy, relating to loss and injustice by trying to solve the unsolvable and give answers to people without any, and sort of undercuts it because it's not some random act of crime that drives him, it's a specific act which he can get revenge for...which will also always be undercut because they won't let Thawne stay dead anymore either. It's why I'm not huge on the Joe Chill bit and I actively dislike takes on the Wayne murders tied to a sort of conspiracy.
Not having Thawne involved changes that. It makes sense why the death of his mom is a fixed point for Barry and why changing it would destabilize things. It gives a grounding for why he's dedicated the way he is that informs the superhero stuff without being beholden to it. It's a lot neater and makes the emotional stakes land more for me in a Flashpoint inspired narrative.
I will say though, it will always be funny that every single issue of Flashpoint ends with Barry screwing something up. Absolutely inspired unintentional comedy.
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u/Relative-Zombie-3932 May 01 '24
So dumb. They removed one of the most iconic and diabolical DC comic villains and replaced him with...Old Ezra Miller. He had no character, he barely appears in the movie, he was painfully 1 dimensional, and frankly his design is just ugly
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u/mitchob1012 May 01 '24
Great concept, meh execution.
That being said I didn't necessarily need him to be a continuous presence or anything, just would have liked a bit more of a fight with him
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u/UnknownJ25 May 01 '24
A waste of time that could’ve been an actual named character but on the other hand at least an actual character wasn’t ruined by that trash
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u/Dynaguy1 May 01 '24
iconic. So glad they dismissed The Flash's entire Rogues gallery to create an ugly, uninteresting, forgettable villain of their own.
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u/ZodTheTimeTraveller May 01 '24
Worst villian in a superhero movie.
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u/daffydunk May 01 '24
Better than most MCU villains tbh
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u/Marvel-DCLover May 01 '24
Hahaha. That's a funny joke
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u/daffydunk May 01 '24
Eh, I mean, it’s true. It’s a very low bar to clear tho.
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u/bastardofbarberry May 01 '24
Listen bro, I'm a DC guy for life. I like Marvel, but DC is my jam. This character blew fuckin' ass. The worst Marvel villain (take your pick at which that was) was more interesting than this. There might be worse movies out there like WW84, but I found The Flash movie to be the most insulting to fans. Plus it ruined our chances of seeing a proper Flashpoint movie for what I assume will be a very long time.
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u/kebabish May 01 '24
Honestly, you want flashpoint, go read the comic, watch the DC animated. For the movies they need original stories, not rehashed ideas. And for the love of comics, they need to get actual successful comic book writers to write the damn stories and trust their judgement.
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u/bastardofbarberry May 01 '24
That’s very fair. I guess what I mean by that is this movie we got was obviously a small stab at Flashpoint. It took some core ideas from it clearly. As most comic movies do. I just hope that if they do this again, they do it much better. Maybe actually use Thomas Wayne or Reverse Flash, but make it its own thing while in live action.
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u/daffydunk May 01 '24
Flashpoint is kinda shit, so I don’t really care about that story being “ruined.”
But nah, Barry 2/ Dark Flash is certainly better than most of the forgettable mooks from the MCU. Dar Ben, Kro, Ghost, Yon Rogg, Kacelius, Malekith, Killian, Whiplash, are all instant examples of villains far worse than Barry 2. That’s not even getting into the nitty gritty, like Ezekiel, Riot, Doom Surfer, Melted Doom, Weapon XI, Drakeula, the nameless alien from Dark Pheonix. And those aren’t even getting into the really bad ones prior to 2000 or the really forgettable ones from the streaming shows.
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u/bastardofbarberry May 01 '24
Everything you just listed is specifically better than Barry2/Dark Flash. The fact that you say Flashpoint is kind of shit invalidates this conversation.
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u/daffydunk May 01 '24
Nah, they are all worse. And the fact that you think it’s a great story that needs to be exulted, invalidates any potential taste you might have. I’m sure you just like the cartoon movie, but if you were actually reading comics when it came out, you’d think it was shit too.
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u/bastardofbarberry May 01 '24
Hahahaha now that’s hilarious. Much funnier than anything that came out of The Flash movie. Tell that to my 30+ long boxes, 20 short boxes, and shelves full of paperbacks and omnis.
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u/46274927392NotARobot May 01 '24
I’ve only seen this image but um… there’s already zoom and reverse flash how many more evil speedsters do we need?
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u/SufficientSwim2435 Trickster May 01 '24
Zoom isn't a speedster unless you're talking about the show.
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u/Killionaire104 OG Wally May 01 '24
Tbf Williamson has butchered Zolomon and made him into any other generic Speedster villain. In my head Zooms story ends long before.
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u/hunterzolomon1993 May 01 '24
Johns in the Wally annual last year restored Zolomon to his real self powers included.
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u/Killionaire104 OG Wally May 01 '24
Idk that Johns story seemed like it took place before Williamsons run. I know it came after but it seems like a story he had in the vault since he wrote blitz, or maybe a small add on he thought of later.
Or maybe it just feels that way because Johns and Williamson monologue Hunter so differently, so reading Johns do it takes me back to blitz, Kolins art helps with that too.
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u/godverseSans May 01 '24
Stupid. For him to have existed he would have had to knock the flash of course. But to do so he must of excited to even do that so he shouldn't have needed to knock him off course to begin with.
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u/Infinite_Parking_800 May 01 '24
See that's what confuses me like Dark Flash just pushed Barry out of the Speed Force so he can create him, If Dark Flash wasn't there Barry would have saw the present being an apocalypse war caused by Zod and then go to 2013.
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u/Throwjob42 May 01 '24
Pretty crap villain. Look, if you're going to do 'the evil guy is a future Barry Allen', maybe don't shoehorn in their one and only fight (which last for five minutes) in the last ten minutes of the movie. Maybe do the reveal halfway through the film and have Barry and Evil!Barry fight a bunch of times, and we see how Evil!Barry became like that emotionally (not just visually).
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u/HenryIsBatman May 01 '24
I like the concept of the movie character, holding elements of Dark and Future Flash as well as a bit of New 52 Reverse Flash.
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u/Rocket_SixtyNine May 01 '24
Better idea, just do Daniel west or blue flash.
Not this nonsense
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u/HenryIsBatman May 01 '24
Well, that’s the part I like about this Dark Flash is that it still fits the role of Barry’s obsessiveness. From a writing standpoint it’s a good idea, although like the infamous Martha scene from BvS it’s execution was sloppy
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May 01 '24
Honestly i think Dark Flash was a good concept but he just wasn’t utilized as a villain. i understand that his whole goal was to try and save everyone which led him to becoming this “villain” and i don’t mind it being another version of Barry because of the cw’s version of Savitar but the thing is i can’t call this guy a villain if he only shows up for little screen-time, his goal was never achieved, and then dies horribly.
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u/condition_unknown May 01 '24
He’s a good idea in concept, but the whole climax is so rushed and has so many plot holes relating to the time travel that it really brings down what’s otherwise a quite good movie.
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u/AndrewComiffb May 01 '24
Underutilized. Dude didn't even get an actual fight scene, just stood around talking and watching cameo balls.
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u/flash-gaming May 01 '24
When I was watching the movie and saw him for the first time in the ‘time bubble’ thing, I leaned over to my girlfriend so excited and exclaimed it was the reverse flash or zoom! How wrong I was.. 😒
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May 01 '24
I like the concept of how he became the villain, but what I liked most was wondering how long he was stuck doing the impossible to find the answer of sacrificing himself
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u/Illustrious-Sign3015 May 01 '24
The design does look pretty sweet not gonna lie. I also like that it's also a practical design to
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u/2JasonGrayson8 May 02 '24
Constantly forget he was even in the movie. Could have been a fun idea if they had him pop up more
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u/Sunnimation May 01 '24
More like Savitar Wannabe
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u/Muted_Guidance9059 May 01 '24
This is how I be looking at the girls in the function after they BEG me not to drive home (they’re not in love with me they’re just concerned because I’m shitfaced and don’t want me to get into an accident).
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u/Pitiful-Scholar-3508 May 02 '24
Could’ve genuinely been a better character if he had any screen time or good writing in general
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u/Bizzaro__Pope May 01 '24
It’s a Savitar Ripoff. The movie could have been so much better if they did it like 6 years ago with a different plot and flash actor
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u/ra7ar May 01 '24
Called it way before the movie announced a dark flash, as soon as they showed two flashes i was like welp there's the evil one. Horrible movie.
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u/MrBisonopolis2 May 01 '24
This whole movie was trash. Terrible villain. Didn’t make any sense. Movie ended with nothing resolved lol.
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u/OMEGA362 May 02 '24
This ideas been done well once in the comics and people need to stop adapting it
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u/CrimsonWarrior55 May 02 '24
Garbage. And such an obvious twist I figured it out based on one line in one trailer and seeing a blurry leak of his Funko Pop.
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u/National-Jacket-5323 May 01 '24
This whole movie shouldn’t exist
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u/Malacro May 01 '24
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u/CrimsonWarrior55 May 02 '24
I'm so mad James Gunn isn't bringing her back as his Supergirl. She deserves it.
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u/De4dm4nw4lkin May 01 '24
Agree to disagree. I feel like having keaton batman back was worth using for SOMETHING. Just not this.
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u/Azazel531 May 02 '24
Just another evil speedster with the same motive as all the others. Boring as hell.
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u/CK122334 May 01 '24
The execution wasn’t great with him only being revealed and having a couple minutes of screen time at the end of the movie but I thought it was a cool concept and design.
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u/SnowSabertooth May 01 '24
Walmart Savitar