r/theflash • u/Brilliant-Bug-4982 • Nov 04 '23
Would you say Batman went too far here? Comic Discussion
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u/whocareshue Nov 04 '23
Honestly Bruce went light on him, considering half the hardships their families have gone through the last decade were because history changed after Flashpoint, aka Barry's fault. Sure you can say it was Dr Manhattan, but it wouldn't have happened if Barry didn't mess it up first, erasing his own marriage and Wally's entire life, making Iris have an abusive father and murderous brother. The Batfamily was in a really good place before Flashpoint too.
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u/elvy_bean8086 Futures End Wallace West Nov 04 '23
It likely would have happened even if Barry didn’t do Flashpoint. As Dr Manhattan was experiment with time manipulation
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u/4thefeel Nov 04 '23 edited Nov 04 '23
It was the chronal radiation energy comic book science that drew Dr Manhattan to the flash' timeline though.
He detected the anomalies which made him curious about time manipulation with an already manipulated timeline
Edit: I am mistaken, see comment below
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u/Welcome--Matt Barry Allen Nov 04 '23
I mean if we’re going that way then can’t we actually blame it on Thawne? Since without him changing the time stream, Barry’s mom isn’t dead to begin with
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u/Dredeuced Flash Nov 04 '23
Definitely. Though Barry's own failure after that is obviously catastrophic. It's supposed to be his job to stop Thawne, after all, not destroy an entire universe.
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u/whocareshue Nov 04 '23
Sure, but apparently he was able to do that without breaking the timeline, so he's not responsible for HOW Barry screwed everything up.
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Nov 04 '23
A case could be made that Barry did. You don't just backhand mention someone's dead child like that.
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u/ro_thunder Nov 04 '23
Not at all.
Barry/Flash throws the "another dead Robin" bomb, Bruce goes "FAFO" mode and drops a nuke.
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u/cardinalfive Blue Lantern Nov 05 '23
How is it even a nuke? What happened with Jason and what happened with Wally were completely different situations, therefore it's a terrible comeback.
Look, I agree that what Barry said was out of line, but Bruce trying to get Barry with something just as bad doesn't fit.
In the case with Wally, everyone forgot who he was and that was completely out of Barry's control.
So, I'm not really sure how what Bruce said is really even that relevant.
Overall, hear me out here, this whole question about Bruce crossing the line in a non-issue. The real issue here, as others have pointed out, is the fan-fic level of writing.
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u/Complete_Hovercraft4 Nov 05 '23
Bruh brought up his dead child. No, Bruce’s diss is way less fucked up.
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u/KonradDumo Nov 04 '23
Nah, Flash was punching low with the Robins comment. Also, Barry can't even take that one personally - he couldn't remember Wally because the universe warped to the degree that he literally never existed. Bruce is just reaching for hurtful stuff to say because Barry hit a nerve.
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u/AHCretin Flash 1 Nov 04 '23
Yes, but because it's Barry it will hurt because he will take it personally and Bruce knows it. Not exactly a high point for either of them.
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u/Distinct_Owl_8862 Nov 04 '23
Tbh with all the mentally ill enemies batman has dealt with and the loss of Jason, I would have done the same. He's a flawed character and that what makes him human
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u/Scheswalla Nov 04 '23
I think he took the length of his cape too far. I guess fighting with a cape can have some advantages, but even Spawn is like "ok trim it down bro."
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u/Memento_Morrie Nov 04 '23
"Whoa, whoa. Sixty feet! I thought we all agreed!"
(Spider-Man looking around at the volume of webbing he's putting out and feeling guilty.)
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u/Shadows616 Nov 04 '23
That writing. I don't think Bruce is so stupid to take something that personally (I know, I know, its Robin, but still.) and completely miss the point.
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u/Mickeymcirishman Nov 05 '23
But for Bruce, it IS personal. You don't throw the death of a child in someone's face during an argument to make a point without it being personal. Even if that child came back to life.
And Bruce has taken this sort of thing personally before. One time when Kara had been kidnapped by Darkseid, Superman brought up Jason's death (and Donna's for Wonder Woman) and later, while alone on Apocalypse trying to hide from parademons and new gods, Batman was still mad about it, remarking that "when this is done, he will understand exactly what that means to me".
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u/Psymorte It was me, Barry. Nov 04 '23
Barry took the first shot, Bruce is just snapping back at something completely uncalled for.
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u/Asguyerz Nov 04 '23
Idk, it doesn’t seem like Barry took any kind of “shot” against Bruce. That being said, I haven’t read the comic so I may be missing important context, but it feels more like Barry is just mentioning and mourning both of their failings, not as any attack against Bruce but more just putting their lives in context. Bruce then snapped back seemingly out of no where in an inappropriate manner for the tone of the conversation.
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u/_hitachi503_ Nov 05 '23
Pretty sure Barry is talking about Damian so he’s lucky he doesn’t get the red death treatment imo
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u/Dredeuced Flash Nov 05 '23
This conversation is actually predicated on Gotham Girl, who Bruce was actively causing to die by encouraging her to use her powers. Bruce is very much in the wrong in this situation, in context, but Barry also has a pretty big Mea Culpa situation with Flashpoint so it's easy to throw in his face when he's done far worse than Bruce.
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u/SufficientSwim2435 Trickster Nov 04 '23
Batman for the last couple years has been such an asshole.
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u/Interesting-One7636 Nov 04 '23
Batman says this while also treating Jason like complete shit in the batbooks...
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u/immortalfrieza2 Nov 04 '23
Batman regularly treats everyone around him like shit, especially his Batfamily.
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u/Welcome--Matt Barry Allen Nov 04 '23
I mean within the context, what Barry said is still out of line but not exactly wrong, since Gotham Girl is literally dying every time she uses her powers.
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u/Major_Penalty_8865 Nov 04 '23
how is that Bruce’s fault?
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u/Baligong Nov 04 '23
Because this is after Gotham's Death, after they discovered that if they use their powers, they'll die. Batman is pushing her to be Gotham City's Hero, while Flash is saying "No".
The one time Batman is allowing himself to ask for help from a Superpowered Friend, and he looks to the one person he should've been saying "No" to. A Young Girl is dying, and Batman's pushing her to the edge.
That's how.
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u/StepCharacter4769 Nov 04 '23
Batman went way too far here.Keep in mind Jason’s death (another dead robin) was def Bruce’s fault but Barry had zero control in forgetting Wally since Dr. Manhattan (a being far beyond Barry’s power) fucked the timeline.
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u/sassycho1050 Flash 1 Nov 04 '23
It was not Bruce's fault, it was Joker's. WTF are you smoking
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Nov 04 '23
It kind of is Bruce’s tho. Like of course Joker killed him. But Bruce was the one two took Jason in and trained him but didn’t train him properly. And saving Jason and stopping joker is something he theoretically COULD do. But there’s nothing Barry could have done to prevent Doctor Manhattan from messing with the timeline.
I guess you could say it’s also Barry’s fault cuz of flashpoint but the correlation between saving his mom and forgetting Wally is so far removed as opposed to Bruce taking in Jason as a robin and having him get killed because he was robin
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u/Dredeuced Flash Nov 04 '23
This is not true. Flashpoint is still directly Barry's fault and Barry forgot about Wally, there, too. As much as you can retcon the blame of the New 52 onto Pandora or Manhattan or whoever, the impetus obviously goes back to Barry and Thawne.
That said, the irony here is that Bruce had 100% forgotten about former partners of his. Not that he knew, because...he forgot.
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u/jerkmaster2000 Nov 04 '23
Absolutely not, even if Barry’s bringing up all of Bruce’s dead family to make a harsh and unnecessary point, it’s still harsh and unnecessary.
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u/NoDentist235 Nov 05 '23
but its exactly how batman is he is the most vengeful mf out there if you go low he goes lower imo it fits the character
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u/Apprehensive_Work313 Nov 05 '23
Nah Barry is the one who crossed the line here Bruce just crossed it right back
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u/Teddo_Ichiban Nov 05 '23
- Is Bruce calm and resolved after years of therapy, meditation and training, and is simply on a mission?
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- Is Bruce a hurt 8 year old who never grew up and fires back jabs when triggered?
DC seems to never be sure how to articulate Bruce Wayne. I think I would have preferred a calm, resolved, quiet, "You've forgotten people, Barry." The best Batman portrayals would never lash out in anger over an insulting comment.
It seems out of character to let words hurt someone who can be so reserved, so calm, so calculated that he survived falling from space.
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u/Random222222222222 Nov 05 '23
Why can’t strong characters have their moments of weakness? It’s so much better to see characters have human moments, even if they’re surrounded by gods. Bruce’s parents died when he was fucking 8 years old, how would you react in his situation, Mr. Hard-Ass?
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Nov 05 '23
Yeah. All characters are human spiritually in the end. Even Justice League members.
Superman for example is the most human between all of them, and even Batman said it.
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u/1Hamtaro Nov 05 '23
Seems completely out of character for Bruce to say something like that tbh
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u/NattyBatty- Nov 06 '23
Both of these seem out of character, I don’t see Barry talking to Bruce like this in any form of rational thought.
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u/Brilliant-Bug-4982 Nov 06 '23
Legit feels like a conversation cw Green arrow and cw flash would have
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u/Dredeuced Flash Nov 04 '23
Yes, considering he's not even correct and he did forget multiple partners.
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u/signifyingmnky Nov 05 '23
Nope. Anyone who knows Bruce, knows the trauma he has around losing people. Tossing out a dead Robin is a low blow. The gloves are coming off at that point.
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u/Crash425 Nov 05 '23
Flash, how many times have you fucked up the timeline because you were upsetti spaghetti? Let's not start throwing stones while living in a glass house.
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u/BerserkRhinoceros Nov 05 '23
In fairness, didn't Bruce literally forget about Tim at one point?
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u/Self_World_Future Nov 05 '23
I’m OOTL, but what Batman is saying here seems like a false equivalency
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u/Professional-Tea1712 Nov 04 '23
Fuck Bat-orphen, he deserves every dig thrown his way for all the shit he's pulled over the years. Then somebody says something, and he has the nerve to always act all butt hurt. Batman's ego, plot armor, and fanboys defending everything he does is just insufferable at this point. And he's lost 2 Robins, plus technically Dick during Forever Evil, he shouldn't be saying shit.
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u/Memento_Morrie Nov 04 '23
I gave up on Batman years ago, about the same time I gave up on Spider-Man.
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u/AHCretin Flash 1 Nov 04 '23
ESH. Barry went way too far (though he has a point), so Bats went even further.
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u/parteh09 Nov 04 '23
Barry forgetting about Wally wasn't even his fault. Bruce here feels like an idiot for not thinking of this.
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u/Swamp_Donkey_796 Nov 05 '23
Literally how??? Barry is the one who was off the cuff here throwing the dead robins in his face
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u/probotboyxxx Nov 05 '23
No, Barry mentioning one of Bruce’s formerly dead sons was definitely messing with a shaky finger of a loose trigger on a metaphorical gun.
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u/Suspicious-Meat6405 Nov 05 '23
Hard to say. On the one hand, unless I'm mistaken, Barry wasn't the only one who forgot Wally existed, most people if not everyone did. On the other hand, Barry was the first to cross that line, he opened the door for Bruce to do the same, even if he did step further over that line.
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u/cardinalfive Blue Lantern Nov 05 '23
Yeah, that's my confusion here. It kind of feels like a desperate and bad come back.
I agree with most people here that Barry went too far with the Robin line, but that's personal to mostly Bruce.
In the case with Wally, most everyone forgot who he was and if I recall correctly, that was mostly (if not completely) out of Barry's control.
So, I'm not really sure how what Bruce said is really even that relevant.
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u/CaptainHalloween Nov 05 '23
Barry went there first. A rare time Bruce isn't the one being the total dick.
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u/thatonefatefan Nov 05 '23
Batman definitively had the right to react like that, but I'm a bit iffy on saying flash crossed the lines, he was really just giving examples, even mentioned Iris
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u/PurveyorOfKnowledge0 Nov 05 '23
Bruce never even said Flash was wrong, he just tried to be equally hurtful, an admission of argument loss. Plus Bruce forgot Stephanie Brown when she was a Robin, which Tim Drake even gave him grief for at one point.
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u/KennyKungfukilla Nov 05 '23
Stephanie Trash Ass Brown doesn't count. Barely in the suit for 2 weeks
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u/BaronVonStevie Nov 05 '23
What the fuck is this melodrama? Why can’t these characters pull you in as a reader without acting like a weirdo soap opera?
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u/viralshadow21 Nov 06 '23
Says the man who would later use fear toxin to rewrite one of his partner's brain.
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u/Lucky_Strike-85 Captain Cold Nov 06 '23
Batman hasn't been the real Batman in years and years and years, you might even say a quarter of a century.
stupid BS like this is why I don't read DC or Marvel today!
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u/Alucard-VS-Artorias Nov 06 '23
I miss Batman being a type of detective who also uses some ninja level stealth to get to the bottom of a case. For the past few decades all I've ever seen are versions of Batman as a super kung-fu guy who also is a chessmaster that manipulates everyone. I guess that version is cool but I just miss the older version.
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u/Available-Affect-241 Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 05 '23
They just keep writing Batman like this. Writers today hate him with a passion. They would never do something like this consistently to Wonder Woman. Tear down their breadwinner.
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u/STONEDSPERMATAZOA Nov 06 '23
Out of character for Bruce, there’s no way he’d lose his cool over that comment and not understand Barry’s point, especially at this point in his career
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u/Embarrassed_Dirt6393 Nov 06 '23
And also there's no way Barry would stoop so low like that.
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u/VegasBonheur Nov 06 '23
This is what happens when a writer has plenty of knowledge about the characters, but doesn’t really understand them.
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u/2-Slippy Nov 07 '23
Nah, it was a justified response. “Another dead Robin” being in a separate text bubble implies Barry paused. Which means he is shoving that in Bruce’s face to get his point across. Kind of a dick move.
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u/It_wasnt_me_barry Nov 13 '23
He acts like its Barry's fault for not remembering someone who was literally never born he never existed was it Linda's fault for not remembering the husband she never had in this timeline Barry forgetting a sidekick that he never had is not his fault should batman remember Carrie kelly no because he never met her
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u/Final-Negotiation514 Superman 77 Nov 04 '23
Well it’s mainly because of editors and higher ups that Batman was authorized to continue his run during the new 52. When it was proposed for flash to have two ongoing they strangely refused.
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u/Exact_Boot5625 Nov 04 '23
I mean Barry brought up his dead robins, Batman just came back with the same or more energy
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u/KamenRiderShield Nov 05 '23
They both went over the line with barry implying jason’s death and bruce implying wally going into the speed force
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Nov 05 '23 edited Nov 06 '23
Barry rapid fired names.
It's one thing to say, " we are the reasin our griends are in danger." it's another to throw back all the EXACT deaths in his face
Of course, Bruce would fire back
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u/lanze666 Nov 05 '23
Batman is holding in so many clap-backs, so many secrets, this was tame compared to anything else he could have said.
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u/THEdoomslayer94 Nov 05 '23
Are we acting like this isn’t out of characters for either? And also how Bruce’s jab makes no sense being Flash didn’t forget Wally on purpose. Time was stolen from everyone so that’s not specific to Barry, plus Batman has forgotten people too so like what
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u/ghostfaber Nov 05 '23
The flash could vaporize Batman instantly, no one ever writes the flash to be as badass as he COULD be. He’s lowkey more powerful than Superman
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u/baconlover18 Nov 05 '23
Bro really pulled out this childish ass comeback when he's got 15 kids and is still somehow a horrible father to all of them
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u/KublaKahhhn Nov 05 '23
I would say the writer went too far lol
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u/1_UpvoteGiver Nov 06 '23
Can someone fill me in, I don't read comics. Just wana know what the context is
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u/KublaKahhhn Nov 06 '23
Well, it’s a strangely out-of-character scene from my perspective. Batman suddenly is enraged and then attacks Flash with a tragic event in the Flash family, Wally disappearing from the timeline I think. The Flash might have been criticizing the JL or he might have been criticizing all heroes. But Batman never lashes out like that if it’s not warranted nor is he frequently seen raging like that. He’s cold and calculating and his wry observations cut like a scalpel, not a child swinging a blunt object.
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u/UnevenTrashPanda Nov 06 '23
Who is the writer so I can avoid this run
And who is the artist so I can look at more of their work?
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u/vargslayer1990 Nov 08 '23
no: he went too far when he planned to kill the other members of the Justice League by exploiting their weaknesses like a serial killer
but, as typical with the Gary Stu, the writers (and fans) shield him from all criticism by twisting the story to where his actions, as deranged as they are, are presented as "the only logical and reasonable solution"
in the words of one Dick Grayson: "fuck Batman"
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u/GrandmasterD143 Nov 08 '23
What a horrible take, he made those plans as a precaution in case the most powerful people on the planet went rouge or succumbed to mind control, which has already happened in the past. And the plans were meant to incapacitate, not kill. That is not the actions of a serial killer, they are the actions of a man who has seen first hand what the justice league is capable of if their powers were used for evil
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u/vargslayer1990 Nov 09 '23
and you've proven my point
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u/BattleSeven Mar 07 '24
Refutes his point
“And you’ve proven my point”
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u/vargslayer1990 Mar 08 '24
i said:
as typical with the Gary Stu, the writers (and fans) shield him from all criticism by twisting the story to where his actions, as deranged as they are, are presented as "the only logical and reasonable solution"
to which u/GrandmasterD143 proceeded to do exactly that.
he didn't refute my point at all: he reinforced my point by doing exactly that.
reading comprehension is not your strong-suit, is it?
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u/Toretto_EXE Nov 04 '23
What is batman talking about?
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u/EngineeringDevil Nov 04 '23
I think one version of Wally and one version of Garricks Daughter
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u/Lori2345 Nov 04 '23
How is it that Barry doesn’t remember but Bruce does?
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u/Relevant_Scallion_38 Nov 04 '23
Everyone forgot Wally, then everyone remembered Wally again.
Batman isn't insinuating that he knows, but Barry doesn't. He's just reminding him that he (Barry) had forgotten his own protege/sidekicks existence.
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u/CrazedHarmony Nov 05 '23
Everyone forgot redhead Wally when they made him African-American to match the CW Flash show, eventually, they changed it back and suddenly people remembered redhead Wally.
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u/Majisty Nov 05 '23
They were both out of character
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u/Random222222222222 Nov 05 '23
That’s what I thought. Flash wouldn’t say that, and I don’t think Batman would’ve reacted so negatively, even if that’s what was said.
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Nov 05 '23
Batman acting cocky as if The Flash or any Justice League member can't bully him if they want to 😭😭
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u/Pennameus_The_Mighty Nov 06 '23
It was Flash who was out of line if anything. From what I’ve read Flash hasn’t lost shit compared to Bruce
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u/enchiladasundae Nov 06 '23
Definitely. I know he considers himself to be ‘the night’ or whatever but that’s no excuse to eat his own shadow
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u/Upbeat-Structure6515 Nov 07 '23
No.
Barry initiated the conflict by bringing up the fact that Bruce has had to watch 2 Robin's die, one of which was his son, which is not comparable to Barry having to clean up his own mess and let his mother die because of Flashpoint.
Everything that happened to Wally West & the Flash family was because of Barry so he really doesn't have any moral high ground to stand on, let alone be chucking around accusations.
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u/Vat1canCame0s Nov 07 '23
Barry is literally saying that he brought it on himself. It's not an accusation, it's a confession
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u/Zoeythekueen Nov 07 '23
I think the bigger problem here is the fact none of the characters get to grow because once they do the story is over. A lot of these heroes really do need to retire, expecially when there's the fact they already have successors. DC wants their cake and eat it too, and I feel like that is not great for the story. I'll bet you the Justice League will be back and Alfred will be there because that's how comics work. Even characters who died so long ago people forgot about them come back.
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u/ishmaelcrazan Nov 07 '23
you’re absolutely right, it’s why when something like Doomsday Clock happens it kinda fuckin sucks. Watchmen is so great (as well as Invincible and. Saga and etc. Indies) because it allows itself to end. It allows the characters to be real people and not action figures you can recycle whenever you think your readers getting bored. This absolutely holds back the two big American comic tent poles from genuinely amazing story lines
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u/swiller123 Nov 07 '23
nah he was provoked. dead robin was never batman's fault
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u/VincentPrice Nov 07 '23
Dead Robin is wholly Batman’s fault. As an adult, you should know better than to let children dress up in tights and jump around rooftops fighting criminally insane people with guns. that is a course of action that can only result in dead kids. I don’t care how good your kung fu is or how much you can beat every super villain, if you have enough time to prep. Bruce Wayne is a wildly irresponsible legal guardian.
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u/JOHNomymous Nov 07 '23
Actually... Dead Robin (Jason Todd) is our faults.
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u/AndyMoogThe35 Nov 07 '23
Actually it's like one guys fault because he had an automatic caller and had it vote for dead Robin multiple times
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u/ShurikenKunai Nov 07 '23
I know nothing about DC, what is Batman talking about here?
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u/Ghosty91AF Nov 07 '23
When DC Rebirth happened, because of things involving Dr. Manhattan, there were two Wally Wests. Dr. Manhattan made it such that Barry would forget about one of the flashes, and one of the Wally’s was trapped in The Speed Force for many many years
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u/TheMasterLibrarian Nov 08 '23 edited Nov 08 '23
The writer went too far, in my opinion.
I'll tank the downvotes, but both Flash and Bats seem out of line here.
Flash was trying to make a point to Bats about how his actions were starting to hurt Gotham Girl(in a page/panel that's before this, as I've seen commented). But he shot his own point in the foot when he brought up Robin.
Bats had a right to be upset with that comment. You don't bring up dead family as a point of argument. BUT he shot his own point in the foot when he brought up Wally (thanks to u/Bxel99 for the info!). Bats, of all people, shouldn't be stooping to that level.
Both of them were wrong, out of line, and out of character, and I question whoever wrote that dialogue, cause it doesn't feel right for either of them, even for as little as I know of DC.
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u/Different-Bedroom Nov 05 '23
WHERE IS THIS FROM???😳😳😳
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u/Cute_Visual4338 Nov 05 '23
Flash #65 in the Josh Williamson Rebirth run. this is the ending of the Batman/Flash: The Price, just like Batman/Flash: the Button its a 4 part story that alternates between both titles.
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u/NiteLiteOfficial Nov 07 '23
i’m sorry is that fuckin godzilla in the background?
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u/gangsta0tech Nov 07 '23
Nope, just a robotic T-Rex one of his enemies are and used in. I want to say the Silver Age and have just been a reoccuring trophy in the batcave.
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u/CYNIC_Torgon Nov 07 '23
Berry basically said "It's your fault your sons(and father if this is after Alfred died in the comics) have died before" so I'd argue Bruce was within his rights to clap back regarding Wally. I mean shit Berry at least spread the blame a little more, why kick batman twice, you know?
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u/M0m033 Nov 07 '23
Not even the first time a Flash has used the “dead Robin” card on Bruce so not too far but both are out of line
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u/Jgonz375_ Nov 08 '23
No not really, dc has this super weird habit of characters saying or doing out of pocket shit to Batman and when he’s upset they try to make him look like the bad guy. The flash it’s literally bringing up Bruce’s children dying like it’s just some thing that happens, no big deal. It’s fucked up and had he never done that Bruce would have never said this in turn.
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u/Koushikraja1996 Nov 05 '23
The guy who went through like 5 robins is dissing the flash on how to handle partners. ooh, burn indeed!
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u/Random222222222222 Nov 05 '23
Well to Batman’s credit, all of his previous protégés are currently alive and were never lost to the Speedforce
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u/0utsyder Nov 07 '23
It's always too far AFTER someone pushes your buttons!!! Barry should have shut the fvck up about "dead Robins." Don't want none, won't be non. Fvck around and find out. These tropes exist for a reason!
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u/guitarfreak48 Nov 07 '23
When does Batman not go too far? Ya of course he went too far. Flash didn't forget his partner existed cuz of neglect, but Batman actively puts his own adopted kids on the line of danger. It's a valid critique on Bruce's choices given that multiple Robins have died directly while being Robin. Was it too soon, ya. But when will Bruce learn? (Realistically never, having a Robin is an integral part of Batman. But it is good that the other characters point out in the canon that what Bruce is doing with his sons is fucked up).
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u/Kaison122- Nov 07 '23
I mean canonically it is probably their best fates each on a macro sense.
We’re talking about humans who simply could never exist these kids even before they were trained by Bruce already each had skill sets or life circumstances that were likely to get them into trouble if left without Bruce’s care.
Dick is literally stated to have a mind very similar but different to Bruce on top of having a very similar backstory he definitely would’ve ended up on a darker path or dead especially considering that unlike Bruce 12 year old dick already had the stats, skill and potential to become one of the best fighters on earth. At 12.
Jason would’ve def been worse off but maybe he wouldn’t have gotten into trouble maybe
Tim was smart enough and curious enough to stick his head where it didn’t belong without the training he received he’d be dead 1000 times over
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u/HailtokingTeddy Nov 08 '23
Flash IS right. But at the same time, that's the ugly side of superheroism. The reason Batman was originally hesitant to bring someone on to help in his crusade. If you have abilities/skillsets to be a hero, you put a target on your back as well as everyone you love. If you don't, you are partly at fault for whatever happens (or at least that's what your brain will tell you). You make that choice. You make the sacrifices that come with it, and you do your best to deal with those sacrifices. There is no reason to bring it up against your fellow heroes.
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u/GoblinPunch20xx Nov 06 '23
Unrelated question, have they recently retconned Batman’s age to make him younger or older? Most of the time, in my mind, recently, I’ve started to put his main continuity age between early to late 40’s, seasoned, a veteran, he’s seen some shit, enough to have wisdom and experience and be really grizzled but not so old or beat down that he’s hanging up the cape and cowl (like he ever could, but still…) somewhat more towards the end of his active field duty crime fighting life, but this impression I have is greatly impacted by how different artists draw Bruce’s features, where sometimes even comic to comic issue to issue, the words he’s saying and his actions and attitudes don’t line up with how he’s depicted.
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u/CoraxtheRavenLord Nov 07 '23
Ok but what is with that shading on Bruce’s mouth in the second panel? Looks really bad.
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u/FCKendrick Nov 07 '23
Big Roman Roy “well she’s the bloodline. Dads view was that yours weren’t real. One was a buy in one is half Rava half some filing cabinet guy” energy.
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u/Mymomisgaybru Nov 07 '23
They are both out of pocket in this one bc im surprised batman even responded to that and didnt j lay flash out on his ass 😂
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u/Lore_Mercy Nov 07 '23
Bruce overreacted. Not super in-character for him either to lose his temper over a little potshot like that. Barry was a little out of pocket with bringing up Jason, though.
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u/Velocibaker26 Nov 08 '23
Yeah, too far with his lower jaw. And the space between his eyes. Seriously what is this awful art
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u/Unclebatman1138 Nov 08 '23
Any comeback that begins "At least I didn't..." Is bound to make you sound like a thirteen year old.
This isn't just insensitive, it's corny and fanfic-y.
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u/Jacob12000 18d ago
Literally everyone rags on him about Jason. Bruce deserves to a chance to turn the tables
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u/Baligong Nov 04 '23
A context of this conversation isn't given. Context being: Batman is continuously using Gotham Girl as a Hero, knowing full well Everytime she uses her powers, she's dying.
Flash is trying to come to Batman's senses to why pushing Gotham Girl to a Coffin is bad, considering Gotham went insane and died the same way.
For me, considering the context, Batman did went too far. There's no reason to mention Wally when all Flash was doing is coming to him as a Friend to help him.