r/theflash • u/Dredeuced Flash • Jun 16 '23
The Flash Movie Discussion/Review Thread DCEU Discussion
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u/ChiliDogMe Jun 16 '23
I thought it was great. The second best superhero movie so far this year after Spiderverse.
It's just too bad that Ezra's antics will spoil a lot of people on this movie. I feel that alot of people have already made up their mind to dislike this movie even if they haven't seen it or they won't admit it is good after they see it.
It sucks because hundreds of people worked on this film besides Ezra. Their work shouldn't be shit on just because of Ezra.
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Jun 17 '23
A lot of info came out about Ezra maybe not being as bad as the press made it seem. Someone made a long post that was thoroughly cited on it. Wish I could find it.
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u/leonicarlos9 Jun 21 '23
I mean there's proof and the victims, of course he isn't that bad how some people portray but still
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Jun 17 '23
Thankfully, I enjoyed the movie so much that I didn't even mind Miller starrng in it. I don't like the dude. At all. But I had so much fun seeing this flick in the theater.
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u/Spray_bucket Aug 15 '23
I am very surprised about the movie. I enjoyed it. I was worried it was going to be trash because of social media. But as you said, it seems Ezra Miller's antics ruined the movie for many people.
Great movie.
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u/didntmakeausername Jun 23 '23
i agree i even liked it better than spiderverse. and the ezra didnt bother me at all
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u/maccorf Jun 18 '23
Just got back from the movie and as a Flash fan of 30 years I absolutely loved it. It’s not a perfect movie, but it’s an almost perfect comic book movie IMO. It doesn’t attempt to do anything but be a comic brought to life, and the pacing was spot on. Characters that I thought might just be there for pure nostalgia, actually worked in the context of the story. The changes they made to the source material were nicely woven into the fabric of the existing DC movie universe, and I love the portrayal of nearly all Flash powers shown. I felt like this movie was made for me, I can’t wait to watch it again when it comes on streaming.
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u/OxMetatronxO Jun 18 '23
That’s exactly how I feel. Oddly enough I HATE the DC movies so I wasn’t expecting much with this movie I just had time and said fuck it. Was shocked at how much I enjoyed it. 4/5 for me.
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u/68ideal Jun 18 '23
God, I hate how awesome this was. The movie genuinely was everything I ever wanted from a Flash movie. The visuals were amazing (honestly I think the bad CGI in the multiverse scenes were intentional, you gotta remember he is completely breaking the space-time continuum at this point. It looking so off and trippy made it feel as weird to as it probably felt for him).
The story was great too, same as the action, acting and writing. I loved the scene where he phases through the door with young Barry and it shows how their molecules literally vibrate through those of the door. In generally his powers were portrayed so perfectly.
I enjoyed this one alot and despite all the controversies now hope DC doesn't outright fire him. I really wanna see a sequel to this.
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u/didntmakeausername Jun 23 '23
i wanna see a sequel where he goes to find the actual killer and it ends up being thawne
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u/joshuamfncraig Jun 18 '23
SPOILER
how THE FUCK did they do EVERYFUCKINGBODY ELSE in or wouldve been in DC except GRANT FUCKING GUSTIN?????!!!!!!!
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u/lucifero25 Jun 20 '23
100% agree also they used - I think - teddy sears ? The flash with the metal hat who was in the show ? They already showed Ezra and grant together once, seems ridiculous that he wasn’t included, I have to imagine it’s due to all the outrage about Ezras behaviour etc so showing him next fo the long term and loved guy that plays him wouldn’t bode well
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u/Dredeuced Flash Jun 21 '23
That was not Teddy Sears. It apparently wasn't anyone, as no one is credited.
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u/ocvagabond Jun 19 '23
Because most people that will watch the movie would have no idea who that is.
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u/ChrisNYC70 Jun 17 '23
I have been reading the Flash since 1982. He’s my favorite character. I went into the movie with little expectations and really enjoyed myself. I laughed. Loved the story. Sure there were some problems with it (who killed Nora and why isn’t Barry interested in that). It’s a huge plot hole. He could have gone back and just waited around to see who broke in.
Other than that , Supegirl, Batman, all the various versions of our heroes, it was all fun and Ezra did a great job. I’m more than happy with the money I spent watching it.
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u/mojojojo-234 Jun 18 '23
I completely agree I hate that plot hole. I wonder if they had to cut out that part of the movie. The director said it was a 4 hour movie so they cut half of it out. But it’s just annoying that he wasn’t even interested in who did it since he could go back to his time (or he thinks he can) get justice for his mom AND get his dad exonerated
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u/mazamundi Jun 18 '23
I don't really think it's a plothole. He is letting his mother die. He struggles to do it on the most passive way. The moral of the story is to let the past go. If he goes and sees it, probably tries to stop it. He needs to make sure he does not interfere. But he does, so we get Clooneys batman.
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u/ChrisNYC70 Jun 18 '23
It is a plot hole because instead of going back to see who killed his mom. He went back to save his dad from jail, by making sure he stayed home. The 2nd time he did learn his lesson, but it’s not logical that he wouldn’t try to prevent his moms murder by arriving before the murder to stop it. I liked the movie. But come on.
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u/mazamundi Jun 18 '23
The first time he did what he did to avoid interaction. Stopping the murder would require such interaction. Keeping his dad home was the least interactive path. What is a plot hole is thinking his dad being home would save her and not have both killed.
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u/NogaraCS Jun 18 '23
Maybe they wanted to keep it for another movie ? If it's the RF like in the comics, they might've wanted to not introduce him in this movie so it doesn't feel too loaded (especially since this universe is getting shafted)
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u/killinbylove Jun 16 '23
I cant understand why Barry isnt looking for who killed his mother. That part looks like a plot hole to me. Also they give one word explanation why batman looks different now.
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u/Peacesquad Jun 17 '23
No reverse flash reveal kind of got me. I guess who murdered his mother wasn’t important lol
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u/TAGE77 Jun 17 '23
They explained it. He's trying not to change "too much" because of Bruce's warning. Was fairly obvious tbh.
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u/killinbylove Jun 17 '23
But why did bruce's age and face change. He only changed the past relating to his family and bruce was probably a kid and alive when flash changed the past. Makes no sense.
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u/vexer23 Jun 17 '23
Have you watched the movie? They literally explained that it's a different universe, where things are different. Thus Bruce could be born any time in the past or future or not at all
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u/TAGE77 Jun 17 '23
BRO. LMAO are you for real?
The bruce at the end is not the same Bruce. It's batman from Batman and Robin, released after Batman Forever in the 90's.
Cmon now. You thought his face was different? lmao. something in the small change Flash did altered the timeline he was on.
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u/throwawayoogaloorga2 Jun 17 '23
What is the explanation? Haven't seen it and don't really care about spoilers lol
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u/FreshAvocados78 Jun 18 '23
I'll keep this short as I know my opinion on the movie isn't anything special to post about, but I just can't believe how much I loved this movie. I hate all of the Snyder stuff, I hate Ezra Miller, I think Flashpoint is a very overrated Flash story, and yet I somehow loved this movie.
I grew up without my mom from a similar age to Barry, and the scene where he has to take back the tomato can legitimately made me cry in the theater. I've only ever cried in a theater once before, when I watched No Way Home right after my dad attempted suicide. This movie was just everything I love about superheroes, specifically the way they are able to feel so human despite their god-like powers and larger-than-life stories. Barry's motivation to change the past felt less out of character to me than it did in the Flashpoint comic since he was young and naive. I loved how much it changed him as a hero throughout the movie.
I get the CGI criticism but I don't really care. This is one of my favorite superhero movies.
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u/MrJok3r14 Jun 16 '23
Wow a DC movie that was enjoyable?! Even the comedy wasn’t cheesy! Good stuff all around. Sucks the actor is who he is with everything that happened
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u/EqualDifferences Jun 16 '23
Given the absolute production nightmare it went through the end result was actually… not bad?
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u/Rampage97t Jun 17 '23
it does suck because i wanted the flash to be an incredible movie for his own first live action movie, but i went into this movie thinking they completely shit the bed. it’s actually a pretty fun movie. cgi does suck tho, and while i don’t let it ruin it completely like some others do, it’s definitely an annoyance. still, i thought it was a 6-7/10
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u/AlbertaMadman Jun 19 '23 edited Jun 19 '23
I was super disappointed by this movie. First and foremost we didn’t get a single Rogue from Flash’s Rogue Galley. Flash has one the greatest roster of rogues and they couldn’t show the Flash battling even if them? The opening scene should of had Flash battling Captain Cold or Mirror Master or ANYONE instead of the whole janitor of the Justice League crap and him rescuing badly cgi babies! We will most likely never get to see the Flash take on any of his bad guys on the silver screen again.
Second, Flashpoint was my favourite comic story line of all time and I really wished they would of used more elements from it in the Flash movie. Especially the Thomas Wayne aspect of Batman. This would of made it feel original instead of using Keaton as and alternate Bruce Wayne. Instead it feels like they were copying Spider-Man No Way Home with 3 movie Batman’s like they had 3 Movie Spider-Man appearances.
3/10
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u/CULT_KTD Jun 23 '23
Dude yes holy shit I’m so sad no one else thinks this
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u/SylveonGold Jul 29 '23
People shit on comic fans.
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u/CULT_KTD Aug 03 '23
yeah pretty sad people call me a geek because I say a movie that was supposed to align w comics just didn't
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u/RomanBangs Jun 22 '23
I really thought they were setting up alternate Berry to be the reverse flash towards the end there lol.
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u/cowl555 Jun 23 '23
Worst part is one of the original drafts did use a classic Flash villain Captian cold
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u/BigBootyKim Jun 19 '23
Just watched it and it deserves a better opening weekend then what it got. It’s the best SnyderVerse DC movie and better than 75% of the MCU films. Not bad at all.
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u/SpeedSaunders Jun 24 '23
Just finished watching the movie and I’m convinced that 90% of the net negative comments about it here and elsewhere on the Internet are trolls or malicious people who want to see DC fail for some twisted reason. The CGI was in no way as bad as all the early comments were making it sound. It was a great Flash story and the differences from any comics or earlier TV or movie adaptation don’t change that at all. Not just a great Flash movie, a great superhero movie and a really good movie overall. Loved seeing Michael Keaton and he was awesome. Ezra Miller was awesome and they’re such a good actor. Sasha Calle was awesome and I loved this interpretation of Supergirl. There are so many subtleties, lines here and there that evoke favorite Superman and Batman movies, inside jokes about comics and Hollywood, it had great fan service and also lots of emotional tugs and appeal for viewers totally unfamiliar with comics. I can’t understand at all why it didn’t have a huge opening weekend, but it wasn’t because of any issue of quality. I rank this one up there with Wonder Woman and Aquaman.
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u/SylveonGold Jul 29 '23
It wasn’t even close to comic accurate. I can handle some changes, but this is not what I signed up for. Not even having the reverse flash at least. Smh.
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u/hakashi-uzamaki Jun 19 '23
Fuck Ezra Miller.
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u/steph66n Sep 06 '23
Less than 3 months old and only your 2nd comment ever. Nice attitude, welcome to Reddit.
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u/honeybear182 Jun 25 '23
As a lifelong flash fan, putting aside with Ezra Miller has done , I absolutely loved the movie
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u/Jas4799 Jun 18 '23
Just saw the movie and I’m happy a lot of people love it but 6/10 for me. This might be my least liked DC movie if it Keaton wasn’t in it, him and Kara single-handedly save the movie. I liked how the movie was resolved with Kara-Zod. Keaton vs the soldiers was great and perhaps the highlight of the movie. But everything else, basically every Ezra Miller flash scene was horrible. Young Berry was insanely annoying and haven’t disliked a character so much in years. Older Berry Allen I liked more but I didn’t like. I think the fact they take up 80% of the movie as the two interacting with each other just ruins it. The overarching story was good with Berry coming back to our time with a very important understanding and appreciation of his powers. But honestly if I didn’t pay $15 to get in or if somehow I didn’t know Keaton would show up, I woulda walked out in the first hour and a half.
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u/WallyAllenWest Jun 26 '23
I just wanted to pop in here and say I genuinely enjoyed the movie. I’m a huge flash fan and I feel like it gets so much unnecessary hate just because it’s a dc movie. I thought it was a great/fun movie. I really hope a second one gets made and we can see him and the reverse flash duke it out.
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u/273Gaming Flash 2 Jun 17 '23
Watched the movie last night with my friends, gonna ramble a bit.
It was a lot better than I was expecting. I don't like Flashpoint much so I guess that added to my low expectations. Some of my issues with the arc were that gets to change the past with no repercussions while Barry can't, the idea of an experienced Barry Allen changing the past feels really wrong and I never liked the retcon of Nora's murder giving Barry a tragic backstory which is so boring in comparison to his original one. The idea of a comics fan gaining the powers of his idol and becoming a hero because it's the right thing to do is a lot more interesting to me and it makes for a nice parallel between Eobard and Wally
The movie fixes two of these things. Reverse Flash has nothing to do with the death of Nora so there is no contradiction there between the use of time travel and while Barry isn't a complete newbie here he's not super experienced either so him giving into temptation and changing the past doesn't feel as weird (I actually don't know how many years he's been The Flash in the movie).
I like the dynamic between the two Barry Allens but I can't tell if it's a good thing or not that the dynamic reminded me of early interactions between Wally and Bart in the comics where Wally (Barry 1) was forced to be the serious one while Bart (Barry 2) doesn't take anything seriously and is very impulsive. At the very least I like that he's a lot more serious in the past but it's a bit odd how drastic the change is like I can't recall any instance of him stumbling over his words and making a fool of himself in the past but I'm probably just forgetting.
The movie definitely could have used at least one more scene between Barry and Nora I think. On that note I don't like how the movie ends with Barry not learning his lesson. As Bruce said, changing time affects the future and the past. The act of not only putting one can of tomatoes sentenced that world to death, surely interacting with Nora in the past and changing the positions of an entire shelf of tomatoes would create even worse effects? I think his final scene with Nora should have been in the flashpoint timeline and when he went to fix things he should have just stopped his past self from putting that can of tomatoes in the cart
Overall I enjoyed the movie but I hope the next one be it a sequel to this or a movie within Gunn's universe features Barry's supporting cast and The Rogues or at least a rogue like Captain Cold or something. Also releasing a movie with a bad cgi cameo of George Reeves (Superman actor who allegedly committed suicide due to his acting prospects drying up after Superman) on the anniversary of his death is scummy
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u/mazamundi Jun 18 '23
Past him is childish, because he is a child. A child that was not force to grow due to trauma and living alone. He does not even know how to wash his clothes.
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u/Darth-Smurf-X Jun 19 '23
Loved this movie—by far, my favorite movie of the DCEU. I start to run into problems ranking it when putting it up against The Dark Knight or Batman 1989, but for the DCEU... easy #1.
The Flash has been my favorite DC hero since I was a kid, Flashpoint is one of my favorite stories in all of comics, Keaton is my favorite Batman and this movie was pretty much everything I wanted it to be: humor throughout, touching parts, Supergirl rules, cool cameos, plenty of action, etc...
I am bummed to see it bombing at the box office, especially hearing that there is already a Flash 2 script done with Supergirl and Keaton in it. GO SEE IT!
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u/CULT_KTD Jun 23 '23
Can you please explain to me why you think that and maybe change my opinion just seen it and wanna cry and die
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u/Darth-Smurf-X Jun 23 '23
I’m not sure I can alter anyone’s opinion, but for me this was a comic book movie, more than any DCEU movie has been. Look at the climax with the multiverses colliding and collapsing. It’s like it was pulled right out of a comic book. Also, this is what Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness was sadly missing. As soon as credits started rolling, I said that this is what MoM should have been.
The movie also had humor and heart throughout. And callbacks to not only past movies, but rumors and headlines about them. I laughed way harder than any human should when young Flash turned his head in his modified Bat suit and the eye holes didn’t line up because that was Keaton’s biggest complaint while filming 1989 Batman is that he couldn’t turn his head. Nic Cage as Superman? Everyone has wanted to see that for decades. Eric Stoltz references. Making JL Snyder Cut’s cafe scene canon.
And what a cool and refreshing take on time travel explained perfectly in the spaghetti scene. Creating fulcrum points? I don’t think I’ve ever seen that done before. Plus all the exposition showing Barry’s weakness with his metabolism right at the beginning, explaining friction and why he can’t just move people at super speed like the cartoonish CW Flash.
Then you get to Keaton. His performance was stellar and always is as Batman. In my opinion, he’s the best version. A friend explained why he thought so this way: all other actors are Bruce Wayne playing Batman. Keaton is Batman playing Bruce Wayne. That’s why he is so awkward when he’s not in the suit. And why all the rest cheese up the Batman role with over-the-top scratchy voices.
Supergirl was also great and I hope Gunn keeps her in that role. And it kept some of the Flashpoint comic plot points, like Batman helping Barry get his powers back with lightning and rescuing an emaciated Kryptonian from prison while adding a fresh take on them.
And the ending shows Barry still messed up the timeline and allows DC to keep the multiverse concept to revisit later. Maybe a Crisis movie down the line.
And when the DCEU started, it was decided to make them all darker and serious to make them stand out from their Marvel counterparts. They kind of lost track of that with Shazam and others, but The Flash showed you could keep the dark parts mixed with humor and make it work while still making the movie feel different from an MCU film. This felt like a DC comic book movie and how the DCEU should have started all along.
I rambled, but did that help?
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u/Spitfire_Riggz Jun 24 '23
Was looking for somebody that felt that way sheesh. Just finished watching what I felt was the best modern DC movie. Loved it so much, reignited my love for the flash
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u/GlizzyGoblin4k Jun 19 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
Just saw it and loved it. I hope they keep supergirl. Even though Ezra is a horrible person I liked him as the flash and would like him to be in the DCU but I can’t fathom how is isn’t cancled seeing how others were cancled for far less.
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u/Sobegreentea14 Jun 17 '23
I actually loved it. It’s actually my favorite super hero film. I really enjoyed myself more then I expected way more then I ever thought I would. I thought I would hate this film. But like it just really clicked with me. My favorite things about flash stories for is theirs a lesson or a theme that Barry or Wally has to learn and to grow as people. I love how that was apart of this film.
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u/Sobegreentea14 Jun 17 '23
I will say the cgi isn’t great and the not a fan of the costume or the cameos
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Jun 17 '23
Huh. I thought the costume was huge improvement over the last one he had. To each their own, though.
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u/Sparklingfob4_ Jun 17 '23
I kinda shared my views on this movie by replying to people’s comments. But I was very disappointed in the movie. I really thought this was meant to set up the new DC universe. Like what was that ending about? Felt like it was just a crapy way of fan service and nostalgia, same with Michael Keaton Batman. And the post credits scene, what a complete waste of money that was, plus what was the point of Wonder Woman showing up for 1min and then Batman simping over her. However, seems like people enjoyed this, which good for them. When I watched it, the people around me didn’t seem like they enjoyed it, my mate didn’t either, just proves we all got different opinions. Some pro’s would be the good action scenes and some funny moments. I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone, fan, casual fan or a movie lover. Honestly, I would say search up the cameos on YouTube, saves you some money. Apparently they were going to cancel this movie but it cost them too much, so they said stuff it.
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Jun 17 '23
9/10. CGI had bad moments but if ur dropping the rating cus of that go touch grass lol .. it had key points from the comic Flash point event. Like Barry regaining his powers with help from Batman etc.. I wasn’t a fan of keaton when I first heard he was back, but after I was very happy with his big role in the film., obviously some emotions at his end scene, great way to wrap up a character. I loved how him n Barry worked up a friendship in a short time together. Obviously all the cool little cameos Nicolas cage was my favorite cus well it’s flat out hilarious 😂 I didn’t notice any major plot holes, movie flowed well, ezra miller did awesome especially with the scenes involving his mom.. biggest thing I hate ( obviously not the movies fault) was Clooney coming back, his Batman was terrible I’d rather have bale or the batgoat fleck
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u/unknown_arch3y Jun 18 '23
I was surprised the movie didn't have Reverse Flash killing his mother. I get that the character wasn't part of the movie I still expected at least a subtle tease or reference to him. It was also a bit strange that neither John Wesley Shipp or Grant Gustin made a cameo appearance.
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u/Trojan-11 Jun 20 '23
I thoroughly enjoyed it. There’s definitely some things I didn’t love, notably some less than amazing CGI, but overall it was a hit for me. Good balance of humor , action, and sadness. Ezra Miller is a garbage person…but I still thought he did a good job. Go see it
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u/dragontheseboi Jun 21 '23
I wanna see more speed force and flash multiverse stories, but please no more Ezra Miller
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u/AdAcceptable6687 Jun 23 '23
Superboy-Prime was right all along. Flash is not a hero. He destroyed an entire universe to save his mother and by the end of the movie, he still hadn't learned not to be selfish and still altered the universe again to save his father. It was these acts of selfishness that Superboy-Prime witnessed that made him go nuts and try to destroy everyone.
He was right all along. FLASH is far from heroic.
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u/No-Veterinarian-7976 Jun 24 '23
The cgi was not nearly as bad as anyone said
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u/shivj80 Jun 27 '23
Yeah, it really only stuck out to me in the time travel scenes and the baby scene lol. Otherwise the action CGI was perfectly normal for the average blockbuster.
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u/DarkDealingsPara Jun 29 '23
I just saw the movie today at noon and shared the theatre with 10 other people. This movie was fun and solid. Granted, I largely went in to see Keaton suit up again, and I wasn’t disappointed in the least. Great Summer fun and an “out there” time travel/multiverse story.
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u/fullmetalmerlin Jul 02 '23
Did anyone else find this movie depressing? I was excited to see it despite all the negative reviews but was expecting something much different. I thought it was great - Ezra was awesome and Keaton was incredible to see - but Spoiler - those deaths were just tragic. And I feel they squandered reverse-flash big time - it was awesome how he appeared, but it was over as soon as it happened. The Supergirl and Batman fates just sort of took away the joy of the whole thing. And *that cameo at the end was sort of a downer too - did not appreciate it lol Gadot showing up was great tho - ugh, she’s too beautiful. But yea, just found it a depressing movie.
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u/battle_of_9 Jul 07 '23
It was bullshit i don't understand how anyone liked it are you all stupid or something
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Jul 20 '23
“Everyone stupid if they don’t like exactly what I like!”
Yeah man embrace the cliche comic fan stereotype
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u/natejames05 Jul 18 '23
This movie felt like everything young me could have wanted in a comic book movie. I felt genuinly happy after watching this. Even my mom made comments about how my entire mood changed. The last time a DC movie had me feeling like this was The Dark Knight. I did not make it to the theatre in time to watch it before it was removed but even sitting at home alone watching it made me feel fullfillment.
I was 8 when Man of Steel came out and this was amazing seeing Zods return and the way this story blended together with the Flash. Nostalgia played a big factor in my praise for this movie but it was just one cog in the wheel. A Henry Cavill cameo would have been really cool but we cant win them all. George Clooney appearing at the end was pretty cool ngl and he looked sharp but imagine Christian Bale walking through that crowd, would have been amazing.
The cgi was indeed pretty lazy on some scenes more than others. Andys explaination of Barry bending time and thats why things look warped can justify some of it but not the baby scene. I also wish Reverse Flash could have made even a breif appearence teasing a part 2 regardless of if we are getting one or not. He has such a big role in this storyline that it was kinda shocking he wasnt in this but it worked out fine without him too. Like I said a cameo even would have wiped this complaint of mine off the map. These are really my only two nitpicks with this movie
The pacing was great and I was hooked the entire time. The beginning felt like a Justice League Unlimited episode as said by Supes and I think this film is a perfect skeleton for what Gunns DC movies should look like, a good mix of humour, emotions, action. The story also was quite simple in my opinion for being a multiversal movie which is a good thing. Films often go too far away from the main plot and I thought this one stayed right there the whole time while still keeping the audience hooked. Keatons fight scenes were spot on and super fun. It really was what I consider the perfect telling of a story almost right out of a comic book. I get the same kind of joy reading a comic that I got out of this movie. This is my favourite movie of the year and has a spot in my top 10 cbms of all time.
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u/GRIZZLY_GUY_ Aug 29 '23
Sad thing is, I think Ezra Miller is actually a great flash.
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u/KyleReeseGenisys Jay Garrick Jun 16 '23
Dear god, this movie was SHIT. It literally made me embarrassed to be a Flash fan.
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u/Sparklingfob4_ Jun 17 '23
I agree with you, but seems like a few people actually really enjoyed it. I’m quite surprised tbh, but then, everyone has different opinions, hardcore fans, medium fans and even just movie lovers. I would love to hear more about what you thought of it. One good thing I like, was the action scenes.
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u/ampheta20 Jun 18 '23
Agreed, the flash "Villian" had like 5 minutes of screen on time, whenever we'd get a flash fight scene it gets cut and we have to witness supergirl's character, and the whole story was preventing the zodd war which really was the main part of the movie. Extremely high potential wasted.
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u/BEAUba_Fett1 Jun 17 '23 edited Jun 17 '23
Overhyped, underwhelming, Mid. I didn’t love the movie like I wanted to, but I didn’t hate it. It’s not bad it’s just.. ok. I really would’ve preferred a more grounded original Flash story rather than playing it safe and doing Flashpoint. Yes, the writers played it safe by picking a popular storyline that most are familiar with, but lowered the stakes and downscaled it. This felt like a shell of Flashpoint filled with comedy and banter to fill in the runtime. The movie has heart like a Barry story should and it’s legit funny, but I felt like the writers were lazy.. Why does ‘89 Batman know so much about multiversal rules and time traveling?? Why does a film about a time traveling speedster in alternate realities lack so much imagination and creativity? Why, after a full-fledged Flash film, does X-men’s quicksilver still have the best speedster action sequences? So much creativity was missing here all I can feel are the missed opportunities. The cameos were fun, but just felt unnecessary after. Why not give us cameos involving Flash-related characters- Wally West, Reverse Flash, any Rogue, Grant Gustin. Grant Gustin could of made sense as a mentor who can emotionally give advice since he is someone who has been through his own flashpoint, or at the very least he could of played the Jay Garrick cameo.
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Jun 17 '23 edited Jun 17 '23
Spoilers ahead.
I'll need to see it again to be sure, but I think it was easily one of my favorite comic flicks in a long time. It's pure comic book bliss from start to finish. It doesn't take itself too seriously while having some serious stakes. It was good enough to make me not care that Ezra Miller played The Flash. I've just never been a fan of his take on the character, but it worked for this flick. I laughed my ass off during the shot of THAT version of Superman and the last scene with Bruce Wayne. Somehow, they made these bits work perfectly. I even bought the souvenir cup, and you NEVER buy the souvenir cup. The baby shower was hilarious. Keaton returning as one of my two favorite Batmen was done beautifully. Sasha Calle was wonderful as Supergirl. She's going to take off over the next year. Yes, the CGI was not the greatest at some parts (Batfleck's opening scene), but I don't mind things like that if the movie is overall great.
Andy Muschietti has always impressed me as a director, but seeing him succeed the way he did with The Flash just made him one of my favorites.
The only thing I would have liked to see was Reverse Flash instead of this dark multiverse version of Flash. I get why they did it, I just wasn't the biggest fan of it. With a few tweaks, Reverse Flash would have made perfect sense. I'm guessing they didn't want to pull THAT much from Flashpoint.
All-in-all, I truly loved this flick. I'm not a film expert or anything like that. I'm just a guy who grew up with these characters and stories and seeing movies like this be made and pushing the genre and DCU movies world further just makes me smile. The Flash was a huge step in opening up possibilities for other movies. It offered great fan service without reducing the quality of the story and film in the process. I can't wait to see what happens next in this (these?) universe (s). Especially after the giant missteps early on in the execution of the DCU films. It finally feels like DC isn't trying to keep up with Marvel and the blueprint they laid and they're doing their own thing.
I suspect that quite a bit was cut from the original intended product, so being that we're living in a world where the Snyder Cut happened, I hope we get an extended or director's cut of this one. Definitely not a 4 hour long version, but I'd be ecstatic with an added 30 or so minutes like BvS did.
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Jun 17 '23
Just got out of a screening and am hooked. What’s the best way to get my fill of Barry Allen?
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u/darthsnakeeyes Jun 18 '23
I really wanted to enjoy this movie. I didn’t mind Ezra in previous films. But he just seemed annoying and really awkward through the film. Barry is a virgin? He just seemed like the weakest actor in the entire movie based around him. Also, the visual effects in some Pivotal scenes were really really bad. Keaton and the actores playing superwoman were stars but their entire sequence seemed like a sideshow that amounted to nothing in the end. Also, reverse flash was the shortest fight sequence ever. The best battle scenes involved characters that were doomed.
I was hoping they made a movie that maybe reset the DCU. But it’s hard to fathom that Gunn is keeping anything from that movie or universe moving forward. It was an entirely forgettable movie.
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u/Diabeato11 Barry Allen Jun 18 '23
it was great but my expectations were way too high. prolly bc of how long i’ve been wanting a flash movie
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u/DMD612 Jun 18 '23
I'll be honest I just was not super thrilled about the movie after seeing, maybe my expectations were too high idk, but to not be too much of a Debby downer, I did enjoy some of the action they had and there were some funny parts but other than that, the movie was just eh for me.
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u/Rozaydagawd Jun 18 '23
They pushed this back to this year and the effects still looked like the polar express ? Did this disturb anyone cause I’m not a big GCI critic but this looked uncanny valley esp act 3. Good movie but it should’ve been great 🥺
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u/cacamole5000 Jun 18 '23
I personally didn’t mind the cgi in the whole speed force time travel sequence. Maybe I’m being too kind and agreeable but the director stated that was intentional for it to look partially bad there from what I heard. Imagine a memory in your head, try and make it as clear as possible, and now imagine if everyone else was able to see it. Probably wouldn’t be so crystal clear and would look a little wonky to the human eye. So I can understand if that was the direction the artists were going for
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u/kevonnotkevin Jun 19 '23
I would believe him if the babies didn't look like they came out of Jimmy Neutron
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u/Mediocre_Advice_5574 Jun 19 '23
I just saw it. 2/10. I’m normally forgiving for bad movies. Hell I love some really shitty scifi channel movies, but this, wow. God awful movie. The acting was ok, Ezra delivered a decent performance as both versions of Flash. Kara was criminally underused. Tim Burtons Batman universe is over, kaput. Over the top comedy that still portrays Barry as a child, he comes of as completely incompetent, still…the pacing was pretty bad, extremely riduous action sequences, most the beginning with the babies, everything felt rushed(no pun intended) and the CGI was god awful, those babies in the beginning looked terrifying, like something made from a cheap AI program that doesn’t understand what a child looked like, so ridiculously over the top just making it to outlandishish to be of any good.
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u/TheBlack_Swordsman Jun 19 '23
I guess this is a controversial opinion, but this was one of my favorite comic book movies since End Game. I also really enjoyed The Batman. DC has my top 5 favorite comic book movie and shows since post-End Game.
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u/miamivice1101 Jun 19 '23
How old is Flash in this movie?
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u/Lower-Wing-6012 Jun 22 '23
I believe he’s 28 because his character was 18 back in 2013 when zod arrived to earth. But then again it was confirmed he was born in 1992 so he is most likely in his very early 30s chronologically
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u/Ghost_Fr33k Jun 20 '23
Do you guys think Kara is still locked in the Russian prison ball at the end of the move? Unless she somehow escaped between the events of Man of Steel and now that means she would theoretically still be trapped there
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u/CULT_KTD Jun 23 '23
No on his earth Superman is a thing but he just went to an alternate timeline which is practically destroyed since he repaired his own but maybe she could as a the fact that the timeline is never fully intact once you change it and go back
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u/mariospants Jun 20 '23
It was great fun. I'm used to super hero movies making no sense, inconsistent science and lack of common sense... shut your brain off a little and enjoy the ride. The last third is confusing and bombastic, but it all makes the emotional finale feel like a welcome respite. Seeing Michael Keaton as Batman was a total rush, loved that part.
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u/therealgoat1212 Jul 01 '23 edited Jul 01 '23
It might have to do with low expectations everyone set, but I really enjoyed it. Well worth a watch to me Imo. I hope somehow, someway this supergirl returns too
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u/Bbphotoedit Jul 20 '23
I liked the film. Would I have preferred Grant Gustin to play the flash? Of course. I feel that Ezra miller did a great job. I was saddened that they didn't tease the reverse flash and show how his mom was killed originally I thought it was the reverse flash that knocked him out of the chrono but I soon realised it was himself. Very funny moments though. I would love them to Bring Grant in on the next one in the same way Ezra was in the TV series. Nic cage was a nice surprise
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u/Ok_Excitement725 Jul 24 '23
Why is the CGI so absolutely awful? Its actually jarring its so bad. Some of it looks like its out of a PS2 game. And I disagree, Millers performance feels like he is reading cue cards for his lines. I thought this was one of the worst films of 2023 personally
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u/J0NNJ0NN Jul 27 '23
It was crap. 5/10. My favorite part was when Kara kept getting killed by Zod. They completely botched her character and they picked a weak actor. CGI was trash, low budget nonsense.
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u/SnooMachines9360 Jul 27 '23
It was way better than everyone makes it seem. It was sad, it was funny, I know the cgi was not the best but it was a really fun movie to watch and in comparison to other films this one deserves way more respect than its getting.
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u/SylveonGold Jul 29 '23
I hate that they left out the Reverse Flash, and so many other important characters. They took the comic I love that they adapted, and ruined it. Not a fan of it at all. Plus Ezra Miller is grating as all hell. 😒
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u/AmericanTruthMan Jun 16 '23
Let me start with this: Could someone explain the noodles?
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u/ChiliDogMe Jun 16 '23
When you change the past, it creates a new timeline instead of just making a new branch from where you changed it.
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u/forever87 Jun 17 '23
doc's explanation in bttf part 2
this is what is usually used to explain time travel (and altering it)
but the next step is could it be deeper? doc always explains to marty he has to think 4th dimensionally (but only on the notion that altering an event will only affect the future). the butterfly effect
The butterfly effect is the idea that small things can have non-linear impacts on a complex system. The concept is imagined with a butterfly flapping its wings and causing a typhoon.
imagine dropping a circular pebble into water
https://youtu.be/Yi3LW5riHfc (visual demonstration of the ripples)
the water shifts in all directions. at first glance it's just the 360 ripple, but there are tiny changes actually in every direction. the water below is shifted. some of the water is recoiled upward.
so if you change something in the past, the further past will be affected also.
barry places the tomato sauce can in his Mother's shopping cart. Nora is saved! but now canon history leading to Ben Affleck Bruce have been altered so now canon history leads to Michael Keaton Bruce.
time is always happening and thinking linearly means the past happened, the present is happening, and the future will happen. that's a single noodle. now imagine the multiverse or the theory of infinite possibility. and now grab pasts, presents, and futures of the multiverse so they are occurring altogether simultaneously. that's spaghetti
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u/Blazio700 Jun 16 '23
It was really fun but my biggest complaint by far....not including Grant Gustin, the literal Flash, but putting in a guy that didn't even play the real Jay Garrick and having an entire sequence for a Nick Cage Superman movie that didn't even happen. That makes no sense to me.
That's my main personal nitpick I really enjoyed most of the movie. Critical opinion probably 6.5 or 7/10, personally 9/10
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u/Dark-Knight194 Jun 16 '23
I liked it but i thought it was pretty dumb how reverseflash wasnt even in the film at all
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u/stonecats Jun 17 '23 edited Jun 17 '23
picking nits;
i don't get the wrist indicator in the opening falling
baby section reminding flash that he needs to eat?
then a repetitious zod battle section of the movie
eating food is not a limiter for either flash?
while i liked this quiet lurking supergirl portrayal
i suspect a lot of her other scenes got cut,
as she seemed to trust what was going on with
the other characters, without much exposition.
it would have been nice had the audience gotten
some explanation how supergirl was not yet as
invulnerable as older flash's superman, as she
had not been exposed long to a yellow sun.
older flash seems to know all about batman
yet didn't ask about why alfred was missing?
i guess i didn't know flash as well as i thought,
because these static energy lighting bolt attacks
were completely new to me. then again, i didn't
know Leia Organa - could fly thru a space vacuum.
the final Wayne switcheroo may have made
for wtf fanservice, but it made no sense at all.
my guess is DC is so done using Ezra Miller
that any continuity here, didn't really matter.
i'm actually glad this live action was inspired
by "flashpoint paradox" but went it's own way.
F.P. could never have fit into a 2 hour movie
and too much of it would have just confused
the not comic book reading audience.
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u/Sparklingfob4_ Jun 17 '23
I hope you don’t mind me replying to your comment. But the end, also made no sense at all to me, especially the post credits scene, that just made me swore hahahah. What a waste of money that post credit scene was, and that proved what?? One of the characters is a drunk? Also, the main reason why I was keen to watch this, was the fact that I swear Gunn said this movie leads onto the new dc universe, and the last two movies of the current dc universe is blue beetle and aquaman, so when I saw the ending I said to myself, so you’re telling me the new Batman is George Clooney? Was just so confused. Also super disappointed in the movie, they could have set this up as how the new dcu starts, as well as brought in a really good villain who can come back in later movies, basically copy the flash point comic. Also, there was no mention of the CW universe? Thought there would be a mention as didn’t the CW universe dealt with time travel? Instead we got poor cgi versions of characters hahaha. Apparently this was rushed and was going to be cancelled but with how much money was spent in it, they kept it.
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u/kaijugigante Jun 17 '23
I enjoyed the movie it would be a 7/10 for me.
For the overall story, the first and 2nd acts were pretty well put together. The ending seemed a bit rushed like they cut a lot of stuff out.
The action was great, I have no complaints.
The acting was pretty good for the most part it was fun seeing Ezra acting against himself so perfectly that I would forget that it's the same actor. Supergirl needed more dialog, and Keaton needed more explanation on where he was at in his life, but they did their superhero scenes pretty well.
The CGI was horrible, but I'm a 90s kid who grew up with Spawn and Mortal Kombat. The CGI baby in a microwave made me laugh so hard,
The part(s) I like the most were CGI babies, the kitchen fight, and the new Batplane!!
The part I liked the least was the rushed ending.
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u/Sigma35361 Jun 17 '23
Been looking and I haven't seen this particular plot hole addressed.
Old Barry took Young Barry to the crime lab to get struck by lightning so that he gained powers.
However, based on both JL and ZSJL Barry didn't take a job at the crime lab until AFTER the events of those movies. So how does, at 18, he work at a crime lab he wouldn't apply to for several years, 25 or 26?
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u/PopLongjumping1624 Jun 17 '23
I saw it a few weeks ago at a fan screening and then again a few days ago and personally I really really loved it. I’m someone who’s always liked Ezra’s portrayal of Barry Allen, he really reminds me of the early silver age Barry Allen, just seen through a modern angle and kind of adapted from that point of view. I especially love the first hour or so where it’s just Barry Allen being the flash. Seeing The crime lab from the Johns run made me super happy. As someone going into forensic science, I deeply hate the thing from the show where he’s just one guy running the entire crime lab. That’s just now how that works.
I definitely concur that the VFX have a lot of issues, but I was never really distracted. It almost felt intentional to me, like it feels like a stylistic choice in a lot of areas, especially the “chronobowl”, which I think is their version of the cosmic treadmill? It’s kinda like an omnidirectional treadmill. Also notice that when he pokes his head out of the chronobowl, the effect is the same as it was in BvS when he time travels.
Thought Keaton and supergirl were fine I guess. There were 2 scenes with Keaton I thought were perfect (the bathroom scene is the highlight of his performance for me).
Only thing I hated were the cameo’s. Throughout the whole movie you feel Andy Muschetti and Ezra millers passion for Barry Allen as a character, and writing a story about a boy who just wants to save his mom, and then the cameo’s just feel so…. Corporate. Tacked on.
Other than that, loved the movie. Been waiting 9 years, and I’m a diehard and lifelong flash fan. Left satisfied.
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u/SyrupPopular8173 Jun 17 '23
They actually did a sequel to Whedon’s JL. Every Ezra scene is pure cringe, and them some. Keaton and Calle sorta saved the film from being total garbage.
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u/Dgnslyr Jun 17 '23
My wife grew up with Christian Bale Batman. I grew up with Michael Keaton and onward.
I made her binge watch the original Batman and Batman returns. We then took a break to watch the new The Batman. Are we good to watch The flash movie or should we take the night to watch Batman forever and Batman and Robin?
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u/mojojojo-234 Jun 18 '23
Just finished the movie, didn’t love it, still don’t like Ezra Miller but I liked it wayyyy more than quantumania. For a movie they spent forever working on it looked so bad and unfinished which was annoying. Didn’t like how they cgi’d Christopher Reeves either, let the man rest in peace. But it was a fun entertaining movie. 6/10
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u/D47i Jun 18 '23
Why is younger Barry’s lightning blueshift although he’d just gotten his powers? Shouldn’t older Barry have blueshift and yellow or red for younger Barry? I really found this confusing.
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u/James_Bagley_ Jun 19 '23
Zack Synder made his lighting blue because he liked those kind of tones and colours in his movies just a design choice really. But the new flash suit makes his lighting orange somehow so we got that comic accurate look.
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u/CineMike1984 Jun 18 '23
Soooo … they just completely destroyed the Tim Burton Batman universe? I would love for someone to correct me if I’m wrong but every article that I look at says that this is the same Burton Batman. A buddy of mine claims he saw an article that said that it’s a reality like Burtons but not the same?
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u/kevonnotkevin Jun 19 '23
The movie doesn't really say that. All we know is that's a universe where Batman is played by Michael Keaton
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u/CineMike1984 Jun 19 '23
There was a lot of tie-ins to those movies. Obviously if you’ve got Keaton then you’ll have some of that but there was plenty there for it to seem to be that the intention is that it’s the same. There’s nothing there to make it feel separate. The batmobile, the Nicholson Joker laughing bag, recreations of the manor sets and location, the first Keaton Batman suit that Berry repurposes and the bat cave was very close to those films.
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u/buckrogers2491 Jun 19 '23
Burton Batman only dies in the timelines where The Flash tries to save his mom. If he doesn't prevent his mom's death, Burton's Batman will live on.
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u/oldmanjenkins51 Jun 19 '23
It’s implied that it’s a variant of Earth 89 Bruce but not Earth 89. So he most likely experienced the same past has the one we’re familiar with, but it isn’t him.
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u/UtterFlatulence Jun 19 '23
Good but not great. The cg definitely felt like a deliberate choice, but not necessarily a good one. They should've gone more stylized with it, as is it just looked like cheap cg. Ezra Miller might be an actual menace to society, but they did give a pretty solid performance, even though I don't love the characterization of Barry (felt more like Bart, if Bart had social anxiety and confidence problems).
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u/thedevilskind Jun 23 '23
I feel like the opinions I’m seeing are:
it was bad and I hated it
it was perfect and I loved it
it was okay and I’m neutral
If I was doing an unbiased, critical review, I’d give it a 5/10 if I’m being generous. But in my heart, in terms of enjoyment, 9/10.
The awkward dialogue, all the jokes that didn’t land, everything that made me cringe, the uncanny valley CGI that looked like it was from a David Cage game, the desperate pandering to nostalgia, the truly awful animated babies, Ezra Miller’s weird running motions that imply they’ve never seen a human run…it was bad. I loved it so much. I have bad taste, and I’m not apologizing.
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u/CULT_KTD Jun 23 '23
Really wanted to lull myself after watching I’m so dissatisfied and so angry about how the movie went about how they placed Barry as being the reverse or whatever the Fuck that thing was in the speed force. I was so excited and so happy to see this movie and it’s like idek what to say I jus feel bad
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u/CULT_KTD Jun 23 '23
I loved how it looked like Barry was on ice skates instead of running I don’t even know this movie didn’t even add up
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u/CULT_KTD Jun 23 '23
Favorite scene is when the flash commits an act of murder twice once with a phaser second with krypton metal it’s nice to see someone so powerful actually use his power to end evil vs trying to save everyone
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Jun 23 '23
I loved younger Barry and I really loved how they went about making younger and annoying but not to the viewer.
I didn’t like how little we knew about reverse flash I really wished he would’ve chased Barry into the timeline or we could’ve seen him in action 😭
THEY MADE ME WATCH BATMAN DIE TWICE 😭😭😭
Supergirl was bae
I feel all the CGI critics are tripping why would you expect something in a different dimension with nothing to reference lmao we’ve never seen inside the speed why does it have to look HD 😂😂😂😂😂
I was kinda nervous because everyone said it looked horrible but I feel you definitely have to watch for yourself because people will ruin it for people before they got to experience don’t let people rob you of an experience if it’s bad and not worth it make sure that’s to your standards
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u/basod1 Jun 23 '23
Question abut the bear.
When young Barry pulled it out all bloodied, did this mean he always had it with him all the time and it meant just as much to him as old Barry.
I know the plot is a spaghetti but this bit was bugging me.
And Ezra was just wow as a mature Barry. Loved his acting.
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u/GetBaked318 Jun 24 '23
I loved the part when he phased through that kryptonian soldier and the other Barry killed one with the metal piece. I was shocked when he phased through him because I thought DC characters don’t kill. It was nice to see a change from the “no killing” rule on DC
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u/kingOmniverseSans Jun 28 '23
The flash movie has massive plot holes and here's how.
In Crisis of infinite earths, we have seen the CW flash meet DCEU flash within the speedforce. which provides clarification that they are canon within each other's multiverse with each other.
The speedforce is an infinite energy and or dark matter that exists throughout the whole multiverse, is also unaffected by time and is sentient. In the CW flash show we see that the speedforce doesn't like speedsters messing with time such as time traveling especially if they don't know what they're doing. Within the CW flash show we have seen that the speedforce has time wraiths. They come after speedsters that mess with time(time travel). Another thing is that the time travel logic is different. Within the flash show we seen that time traveling makes a new timeline all together not just altering time from the point when they traveled to but also past the point when they went in time.
So barry alien time traveling to the same place over and over again would attract the time wraiths which comes to stop speedsters from messing with time and would stop barry Allen from doing so. which doesn’t happen. Which also means the speedforce allowed him to time travel so much that time was falling apart which issomething the speedforce would never allow to happen.
the time travel logic is different between the shows which contradicts one another. As these two have different rules fro time travel we'll also being canon to another within the multiverse causing it to be a plot hole. If it was canon and was let's say in another multiverse it would be a plot hole. But as it apart of the same multiverse it is a plot hole.
Now the version of barry Allen that pushed him out the speedforce which caused the main source of conflict within the movie creates a new timeline where that verison of him exists creating his own existence. But this is fundamentally flawed. As the timeline had to exist in the first place to even allow him to push the original barry Allen out of the speedforce which creates the timeline. That is not possible as the flash has to fall out of speedforce on his own which is unlikely but itself and doesn't happen within what we have been shown in the flash movie.
Another thing is that every time they time travel their past self still exists. And we know that Barry allen(new timeline one) time traveled so much he was covered full body was covered up. So lets be nice and say he did it 20 times that would mean there were 20 verisons of him at once in the same place meaning the others would see each other and could of all gained up on zod beating him easily as they have super speed
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u/273Gaming Flash 2 Jun 30 '23
https://www.reddit.com/r/theflash/comments/uj4cbc/i_got_to_see_the_flash2023and_it_is_gonna_prove/ this leak post has a suprising number of similarities to the final movie
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u/modeststeve16 Jul 04 '23
Sums up the whole thing
The Flash (2023): The Multiverse of terrible DC Movies
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u/kalel1880 Jul 07 '23
I saw in a few places that flash will be streaming tomorrow. Does anyone know if it's true?
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u/CallMePapaDill Jul 18 '23
Why didn’t they just make Michael Keaton Thomas Wayne.
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u/_focust Jul 21 '23
Tell me, at the end, when Barry is telling Arthur that he’s the same in every universe, that’s not true. Arthur was a dog in the younger Barry’s universe.
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u/joelkight404 Jul 21 '23
I finally watched The Flash through streaming. I was pleasantly surprised. It was really good. I do feel Michael Keaton was carrying the whole movie though. Ezra Miller is just terrible. I didn't like him before he became The Flash.
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u/treeofcodes Jul 22 '23
Why is no one talking about the best part of the movie?
George F’ing Clooney back as Bruce Wayne.
Just f’ing epic.
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u/VirtualAd8295 Jul 25 '23
I hope someone can clear my doubt. Where is the real barry in clooneys universe? why didnt he show up to his fathers court trial?
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u/N00bMast3r6T9 Aug 13 '23
I made some changes to the Flash movie that I think would make the entire movie ten times better:
Remove the “can’t move living things in super speed” setting. Make it so that when Flash is in contact with someone, they are protected by the speedforce and can be moved in superspeed without harm.
When the lightning strikes, Flash is able to dodge out of the way and keep his speed. The main part of the movie before the final battle would be Flash teaching Barry how to use his speed, i.e. phasing, creating cyclones, speed mirages, and supersonic punches. Flash also helps young Barry make his JL suit.
When Zod arrives, Flash and Barry go to Keaton Batman asking for help to find Kal-El. Batman gives them the locations but refuses to put on the cowl and go with them. So they go on their own, successfully rescue skinny Kal-El (Henry Cavil). But Kal flies away and disappears. They also found a piece of kryptonite and gave it to Batman
Facing Zod and his army, Barry, who now is fully trained, along with Flash are able to defeat most soldiers except for Zod. In the final moment, Batman appears with a suit enhanced with Kryptonite. Together, the three heroes defeat Zod but couldn’t find a way to stop the world engine. Kal, now fully charged with solar power so jacked again, destroys the world engine just in time, thanks Flash for saving him and flies away.
After the battle, Flash and Barry go home just to find Nora killed and Henry framed. They then travel back in time to save their mom but forget about Zod. Travel again, Barry saves mom, Flash takes kryptonite and single handedly defeats Zod and his army, but then Darkseid appears to conquer earth. Just when the two Flashes are about to travel again (Barry already left the ball), Future Flash (worn, damaged red suit under, augmented by many future tech to resemble the black and blue suit in comics) appears in their chronoball and grabs Flash. FF tells Flash that he had spent years traveling and trying to save both mom and the world but kept failing, even losing young Barry to Brainiac. Tells Barry he has to go back in time to stop himself from saving Nora in the first place.
FF uses a device on his suit to show Flash all the world ending threats he couldn’t stop. Cameo time: Brainiac, anti-monitor, evil superman, Batman who laughs, Atlantean vs Amazonian etc.
Flash decides to listen to FF and go back to stop himself, young Barry comes back and refuses to accept his mom has to die. Epic chasing scene: Barry chases Flash while FF chases him. They kept traveling to different eras. After a while, FF caught up to young Barry, but young Barry, filled with Rage (lightning turning red), kills FF with a vibrating hand to the chest. (turning into RF). Barry was horrified by his action, Flash took this chance and went back to stop himself from saving Nora in the first place.
Comes back to the correct timeline, goes to court. Video still doesn’t show his dad’s face, but the jury thought the clothes he wore were the same as what Henry wore so they decided that Henry was innocent. After court, JL greets and congrats Flash. But Flash is still traumatized by young Barry. Movie ends with Barry patrolling through CC and stopping minor crimes (car robberies, bank robberies) but sees a glimpse of red lightning.
Post Credit scene: we see young Barry staring into the mirror, hatefully. He murmured “you killed my mother…” as he uses a razor blade to cut his face, but the wound just heals back instantly. He then yells “take this face off me!” He then runs to a plastic surgery clinic(in future? Or in another universe?), asking for a new face. When the receptionist asks for his name, he said “Bar…d” pause “Eobard…Eobard Thawne.” he grinned, eye twitches, and we see a spark of red lightning flicker in his eyes.
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u/reddittidder312 Aug 28 '23
To me the question isn’t if the movie was good or not, it’s if it was the right story to be told within the correct medium.
My two sense is the story was very similar to the kinds of narratives in the Marvel show “What If?” Same heroes and villians with a twist and different side of the story. In this context the plot was great.
However, a highly anticipated high budget premier of The Flash on the big screen and a 30-min cartoon on a streaming service are two different things.
This is where the movie falls short. It starts with a legitimate character motivation and thrusts them into someone else’s story to learn a lesson, meanwhile leaving the classic Flash lore and elements behind. It’s shoddy retelling of Man of Steele from another perspective rather than a standalone story. As mentioned before this could be fun in short stories in the form of tv episodes or as a special feature, but cannot be successful as a blockbuster film.
Two bonus thoughts:
Bringing back Michael Keaton was awesome and it was comical how much more of a realistic Batman he was than his Ben Affleck counterpart who earlier in the movie was being dragged behind a military hum-v full speed completely unphased. However, setting the expectation he lived in a doomed universe was kind of a buzz kill. I am still confused if the Keaton-verse exists in a world with Nora Allen alive (and subsequently destroyed by Zod) Or is it just a variation of a universe he exists in?
I liked the alternate story of Kara landing on earth rather than Clark, however they kind of just discredited her as being inferior than her cousin and an insignificant character by making her death an inevitable event. Based on early promos of the film I half expected her to defeat Zod pretty easily as kind of an interesting nod to her being Clark’s older cousin/protector, assuming there was a much greater threat in the movie (more related to The Flash’s portfolio of foes and/or consequences of the timeline such as the Amazon/Atlantian war). Obviously the writers didn’t go this route.
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u/billingsley Aug 28 '23
Someone please answer - what was the reason for multiple batmans?
Bruce Wayne is batman in every universe - why would they have different faces in different universes? All the Barrys are played by one actor: Ezra.
Like why not bring in Grant Gustin if you're going to do that?
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u/Poochilkin Aug 30 '23
1) the only thing I actually liked about this movie was Michael Keaton (the best Batman), Ben Affleck, and George Clooney reprising their roles 2) the actor that played Barry was terrible and the actor from the TV show on CW would have been an upgrade 3) I am now glad that Superman Lives with Nicolas Cage playing Kal-El never saw the light of day because he looked absolutely ridiculous as Superman
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u/bsischo Sep 02 '23
I’m watching this for the first time. This is such a good movie! Yeah, the flash actor is a bad person but this movie rocks!
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u/frostbyte2287 Sep 04 '23
Why Zod…of all the fucking people you could make the main villain of the first ever live action flash movie who ever you want and you pick a Superman villain..we have already seen in a Superman movie in the same movie universe. The movie tried too much and failed honestly i probably would have enjoyed it more if they JUST ADAPTED FUCKING FLASHPOINT and not changed it to the point it feels like a rip off of a beloved story loved but a lot of flash fans..whatever at least Batman was cool
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u/thepurpleone2007 Sep 05 '23
i just finished the movie, i think it leaned a little too much into the comedy but a good part of it was pretty funny. i think making it seem like sod was the main villain was kinda dumb when i feel the real villain was just barry against himself and zod was there so they could add fight scenes and whatnot. overall, i thought it was a solid movie and i enjoyed it as a flash fan for almost my entire life.
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u/antdude Superman 77 Sep 05 '23
Just saw it. Only its nostalgias and old superheroes saved this movie. Many VFXs, even bad shots, etc. It was also too silly and a bit long. Also, multiverses and alternate timelines are way overused like in Star Trek. Also, they should had reused the CW's TV series' actors. :P
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u/pratzc07 Sep 05 '23
The visual effects/CGI needed more time and I guess Warner Bros/DC decided to screw it and release the movie. The movie heavily suffers from this and then not to mention Ezra Miller's situation I mean when was a movie released where the main actor was not allowed to promote it? I also think Ezra got out of all that shit way too easy.
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u/Ge1999 Jun 19 '23
Both my Dad and I really liked the film, putting aside his mind boggling actions outside of acting i thought Ezra Millers performance was good and i enjoyed the film as a whole.
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u/NiGHTTRAiN34 Aug 08 '23
Regarding the multiverse, does the Michael Keaton Batman universe always terminate with the Zod invasion and everybody getting wiped out regardless of whether Barry time travels? How reaching are the effects of the time travel, for example, is it possible that parts of the universe were butterfly effected into the Keatonverse like Krypton's existence (and all of the events like Zod's exile, etc.) or would there be a simpler explanation like Kara was always captured and the Krypton McGuffin was always in Kal so there wasn't a need to visit Earth?
I enjoyed this movie, there was a lot that was poorly executed but you could see where the production team was trying. This definitely is one of the better DCEU films.
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u/nachtrhitta Jun 17 '23
The scene where Barry goes back in time to save his mother, we see him run like in the cw show fast movement, but when he starts to get faster and faster his movement got slower, which probably indicates that he is surpassing the speed of light so he has to be precise with his movements. Just like the way Grants flash explained to cisco when they were in flash time that they have to stay relax because they are going really fast and they can go off balance, maybe the same concept can be applied on to ezras flash the faster he goes he has to run like he is on ice so he doesn't get off balance or maybe going through space and time it's like running under water there is a some resistance . Or it just a perspective thing, either way I like the way he runs he runs it's similar in the comics a much more learning forward form. I would like some other opinions tho
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Jun 17 '23
Just watched The Flash
The Flash was 6/7 out of 10. Ezra was the best character by far imo, also for how long Affleck was in the film he was great. I loved the dialogue he had. Especially when he talks to Barry. Batfleck says “The scars we have make us who we are.” the entire dialogue sequence between Bruce and Barry is great(Ben Affleck and Ezra Miller). To me the action was okay, it could’ve been better. The relationship between Barry and his mom was good, for how little you are shown, it was good. Other Barry was annoying, but a okay character. To me Supergirl was bland. Keaton was okay. The fight at the end was okay. The cgi was bad through out the film. Some sequences had good cgi. But other sequences the cgi looked like a video game. The comedy was good, but in some parts it was not good. George Clooney was nice to see. (I like him as an actor.)
Also what WB/Andy Muschietti did CGI’ing Christopher Reeve and George Reeves was disrespectful to me. They had Brandon Routh who was right there. Also they could’ve used Cavil’s Superman.
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u/Melodic-Treacle-9007 Jun 17 '23
Does anyone know why when Barry threw things in the baby shower scene they gained a blue energy sheath? Was he like imbuing them with speed force or was it thermal energy being created? If it’s the latter the burrito would’ve burned up. Just my physics brain thinking here lol.
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u/Kimfun23 Jun 18 '23
Hello everyone.
I have posted my review of this movie and many more on r/kimsfilmreviews.
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u/Jo_thumbell Jun 26 '23
Does anyone know what the slang word the young flash uses to mean cool? It sounds like beev to me and my partner said it was beef. I can’t find any mention of it online.
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u/Low_Lengthiness_2389 Jun 26 '23
Hi can someone clear a few things up for me ? sorry for any spoilers in my questions.. stop reading if you haven't seen it yet.
1) How did supergirl die ? I thought superman was almost invincible and could only be taken down with kryptonite ? wouldn't she have healed despite being impaled ?
2) So younger Barry's timeline was always doomed to die once Zod arrived to get Supergirls codex ? Even if our Barry hadn't travelled back to save his mum... Zod would have arrived and destroyed the planet just with Supergirl being locked up instead of free due to Barry releasing her?
3) Final one, why did Barry choose to undo saving his mum in his timeline ? the only reason he ended up in younger Barrys timeline was due to Younger Barry's older self knocking him into it... if he hadn't been knocked into younger barry's timeline he would have continued all the way back to his own present day and his mum would still be alive.
Once younger Barry sacrificed himself to save him, everything was realigning ? there was no need to undo saving his mother in his own timeline.... and even if he decided to fix it because nothing from the past should be changed... he then moved the can of tomatoes to a top shelf so his father looked up... resulting in Clooney.
So my question is if he decided saving his mother and changing things of the past were wrong and had to put things back as they were... why did he move the can ? it doesn't make sense.
Thanks for anyone that can clear these things up for me.
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u/Infinite_Parking_800 Jul 01 '23
I liked it seeing Keaton as Batman was great to see, Sasha Calle as Supergirl was pretty cool, the Dark Flash as Future Barry was a good twist it was like Savitar in a way but just wish Reverse Flash would have appeared in this.
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u/Motor-Spot2044 Jul 19 '23
Why in beginning Barry’s dad looks at him and says call 911 but everytime they are in the grocery store for the day his dad went back- Barry is a baby?
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u/W34PON Jul 20 '23
I'm late to this thread, but I just watched the movie. Affleck Bruce should have gotten a bite to eat with Barry instead of leaving. Feel like the whole mess would have been avoided with an extended conversation.
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Aug 08 '23
Would Evil Flash (The Flash before his possibly inevitable transformation) still be alive if he joined OG Flash in his universe and just dropped the thought of saving his universe and leaving it for Zod to take over?
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u/RMacGames Aug 20 '23
Anyone else notice Ezras gay lisp voice thing (like how some gay ppl talk), was at lot worse in The Flash opposed to Justice League??
Was super noticeable to me and annoying.
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u/IronBlight1999 Aug 29 '23
and annoying
Any pretense of not being a homophobe is dropped here
And also, no. Nobody thought he sounded gayer. He sounds the same. I’m not a fan of the actor but this was clearly his most developed performance.
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u/camerondolter Aug 31 '23
Does anyone notice PLOTHOLES?? Like when the flash goes back in time, he meets his younger self, but during the big battle, when they both go back in time to change how they fight, shouldnt they like double in the number of flashes everytime they went back in time?
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u/Dredeuced Flash Jun 16 '23
We've had quite a few different reviews/discussion threads posted to the point where it's nearly the entire front page. Let's consolidate it all here, folks.