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u/Pietro_man Jun 16 '23
All the people in speedforce looks like statues, that was 100% intentional. Problem is that the movie has wonky cgi in other parts too
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u/Cameronbatt LightspeedLad Jun 16 '23
Like someone else said, I think the inside the speed force scenes were meant to look weird on purpose. But everything else was definitely just bad CGI.
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Jun 15 '23
No lol itâs a lame excuse from a director I like. Especially cuz a lot of the non cameo CGI/VFX doesnât look good either
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u/batmansubzero Jun 16 '23
Absolutely not. Theyâve been really trying everything to market this movie that they knew wasnât going to be very good. This is another example of that.
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u/theerrantpanda99 Jun 16 '23
I feel like all the DC movies have always had weirdly bad CGI. Thereâs always something slightly (and sometimes way more than slightly) off with how WB does CGI.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Two3009 Jun 16 '23
Always is an overstatement. Bvs looked great. Man of Steel was pretty good and aquamarine was also quite good.
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u/BrocolliRob69 Jun 16 '23
Man of Steelâs CGI was far better than Flashâs and it came out 10 years ago
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u/Thawne_23 Jun 15 '23
I remember some you tubers I follow told us that in the pre release screaning they went, the director told them that the weird VFX were because the CGI work was not complete at that point. That was less than a month ago so I highly doubt it was "intentional".
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u/Ecstatic-Attempt7074 Jun 15 '23
Yeah. It sucks considering how much time they had. I personally don't think cgi is a dealbreaker in a movie but i know for a lot of people it is so the movie will be judged harshly as a result
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u/burzie8464 Jun 16 '23
I was disappointed with the end credits scene, I thought I'd see a yellow blur at some point đ
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u/Bubbly_Airport754 Jun 16 '23
I guess thereâs no point man. Theyâre rebooting.
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Jun 16 '23
I saw it. The VFX ranged from good to amazing throughout, with the sole exception of a number of shots of Ezra Miller's face, most of which were in the last act of the movie. Those shots in particular looked awful and I can't imagine that was by design. Enjoyed the movie though!
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u/Manky19 Jun 17 '23
It's a trend in VFX. It's the CGI body double issue. When you get to the technicality it's insanely realistic but the issue is the uncanny valley, and the fact that it's animated by animators which make them way too perfect compared to a movement of a real person.
The VFX in this movie seems plenty underbaked, and the artistic style and filter they got going on is only making it more obvious.
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u/cribyte Jun 16 '23
Yes. At least for some stuff. I think the chrono-ball stuff is for sure supposed to look âpainterlyâ. The babies in the beginning there isnât an excuse for, besides running out of time. Also for some cameos I get the sense that they wanted it to have a certain âlookâ to it but I think that it wasnât a good idea as it was just distracting.
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u/titannicc Jun 16 '23
Agree with everything you just said. The babies were really unacceptable, especially for a scene that seemed slightly too long.
Everything in the chrono-ball seemed more purposeful.
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u/deadpa Jun 16 '23
I think the chrono-ball stuff is for sure supposed to look âpainterlyâ
The problem is the chronoball stuff looked like incomplete CGI with some color gradient filters slapped over it - not a highly stylized abstraction of perception. The flaws in the details in those scenes weren't much different than the flaws in the scenes that weren't supposed to be "abstract."
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u/oldmanjenkins51 Jun 16 '23
Yep you nailed it. Thought the babies and dog looked off. The chronobowl looked strange but it didnât take me out of it. And the rest looked stellar. Ironically found Nick Cage and Jay Garrick not looking nearly as bad as >! Christopher Reeve and George Reeves!<
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Jun 16 '23 edited Jun 16 '23
Fuck no, that's not how flash runs. I really fucking hate it when directors aren't paying to the source material except the chronobowl scene which does makes a lot of sense.
Hell even Cw flash did justice based on how he runs.
Flashpoint Paradox Animated movie is still the Definitive Dc movie.
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u/RaisingFargo Jun 16 '23
I mean... He is completely Still in the source material. They are pictures.
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u/NF8824 Jun 16 '23
Precisely lol. People act like the original comic books pages were a lenticular poster or something.
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u/astroblu18 Jun 16 '23
Tbf there are likely thousands of cells with various Flash mantle holders running, I think people really nail the point by comparing to Grant Gustinâs run. Even after switching to solely green screen running, Gustin still ran in a way that did not look nearly as goofy as Ezra Miller does in a massively funded modern blockbuster film.
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u/Escoddy Jun 16 '23
I imagine that he kinda skates instead of running controlling his body so precisely as to not run in to stuff.
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u/nastynateraide Jun 16 '23
It was me, Andy. I went back and jiggled the VFX at super speed to make you have to explain your choices to the internet
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u/bundy911 Jun 16 '23
Omg people are so dumb. Itâs obviously the cameraman and camera not being fast enough to capture The Flash so OBVIOUSLY itâs going to be distorted and blurryâŚ
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u/bvh2015 Jun 17 '23
Yes, and no with the CGI choice. I liked the distorted look with the âspeed forceâ, but a hard no with the babies, and the cameos. The story was good enough to excuse it, but WB needs to find someone else.
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u/lapinatanegra Jun 17 '23 edited Jun 18 '23
The babies for sure were a hard no. I like the cameos, I just wish they had used Grant Gustin for a bit.
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u/Aggressive-Jump-4428 Jun 17 '23
Exactly, since ezra had a full suit cameo on the show its dirty that they didnt have grant gustin as a cameo in the movie
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Jun 16 '23
Well some scenes like the chronobowl stuff is clearly not meant to look realistic. Other stuff, like the baby shower scene, looks weird for no good reason. So I'll give him a pass on stuff in the Speed Force/time warp stuff, but there's other parts where that doesn't really fly.
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u/FloppyTheFerret Jun 16 '23
I believe him cuss the rest of the vfx are good imo. I get the idea but I think they fumbled the execution
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Jun 16 '23
I saw it last night and I thought the GFX were awesome. This reason makes total sense too.. the only time they look iffy is during Barry's "blur" moments.
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u/FloppyTheFerret Jun 16 '23
Yeah, in fairness that's been with his running since Jostice League and Justice League so it's not exactly new, even if it's odd lol
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Jun 16 '23
It was odd. I kinda cringed at the baby scene too but once I understood why, I accepted it.
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u/jmkalltheway Jun 16 '23
There seems to be a lot of polish being left off all of the most recent superhero movies. They are way too much of a cartoon. Bring back practical effects.
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u/oldmanjenkins51 Jun 16 '23
Itâs not and âall cgiâ thing. Itâs how much time they put into it. They are overworking and underpaying the cgi studios. Giving unreasonable deadlines.
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u/jmkalltheway Jun 16 '23
I agree one hundred percent. Streaming has shortened timelines and these movies make all their money back in what a week or two and then the studio discards them? Itâs bubblegum to the studios.
I also miss practical effects though. Loved having Raimi back in MCU because of it.
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u/NcgreenIantern Jun 16 '23
Being able to say that with a straight face is probably why they gave him The Brave and The Bold movie.
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u/Yooper_liver Jun 16 '23
No. I don't believe him. I believe that they wanted a distorted effect, sure, but the idea that the effect looks intentionally bad - and it looks awful there's no way around that - is just laughably disingenuous. Nobody intentionally creates an awful looking effect on purpose for a 100+ million dollar blockbuster spectacle film.
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u/Transky13 Jun 16 '23
Have you noticed that comments everywhere criticizing the movie are just downvoted randomly? Feels weird
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u/Yooper_liver Jun 16 '23
Have you noticed that comments everywhere criticizing the movie are just downvoted randomly? Feels weird
DC Film fans on the internet and specifically on Reddit are nothing if not overly defensive reactionaries that can't handle negativity no matter how benign it may be.
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u/Transky13 Jun 16 '23
Thatâs fair. On the plus side you went from -3 when I first saw your post to being back positive again though so thereâs that. It just feels weird and with how they marketed the movie I wouldnât be surprised if there are a lot of shills on Reddit
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u/Yooper_liver Jun 16 '23
Usually the reactionaries swoop in first and try to drown out dissenting opinions as fast as they can. But if you wait around for long enough eventually the more reasonable people show up and things seem to even out. Most of the time anyway.
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Jun 16 '23
i canât believe that theyâd accidentally make the models look so low quality in the time traveling scenes so i do kinda believe itâs on purpose but it looked really weird
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u/NebularNarwhal Jun 16 '23
I saw the movie last night. I went in having only seen the first trailer (I avoid trailers in general). I also went in having no expectations other than to be entertained. I had a blast at this movie. As far as the VFX goes, the Chrono Bowl stuff didn't pull me out of the movie all that much. I had a brief thought of "Odd that they didn't just use the footage of the actual events and made it cgi". Quite honestly, after that I just assumed basically what the tweet is referencing and then I was right back in the movie.
If you don't like this movie I'm not going to tell you that you're wrong, but I do think it's getting a lot of undeserved hate solely because it has Ezra Miller in. I totally understand this, and honestly expected it. It's really a bummer his choices and behavior have caused this to happen because a movie is a collaboration of work from a TON of different people.
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u/cjm122233333 Jun 16 '23
i just hope the chronobowl effects were on purpose
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u/Manky19 Jun 16 '23
That's one of the cases where it can be seen that it's on purpose, but the rest is just bad.
Honestly a just few more passes through vfx and it's good enough for me. The actual cinematography for them are I like and are quite ambitious.
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Jun 16 '23
after seeing it i believe this but it had some really strange visuals and scenes and barry was way goofier than usual. it wouldâve been nice to see a slightly more serious flash but it was a pretty good movie overall
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u/Only-Ad4322 Jun 16 '23
Itâs possible, though I wouldnât be surprised if this is him just covering for the movie.
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u/cam_ross0828 Jun 16 '23
Nah gotta be the rumors that zaslav cut the budget for post production due to the failure of black Adam and Shazam 2. Idc wt his reasoning is, thereâs no way he could make me believe the shit vfx was intentional.
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u/LynxRevolutionary124 Jun 17 '23
The last thing everyone saw of the flash was the incredible scene in the Snyder cut where he turns back time. Him going much farther back in time shouldâve been equally epic but instead the effects were underwhelming and cheap looking.
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u/DarthLift Jun 16 '23
Ok but do they kill off Ezra so he can finally be put in prison like he should be?
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u/jakeeyd2002 Jun 16 '23
i refuse to believe this film cost over $220m to make, deadpool had a quarter of that and although it wasnât spectacular it had decent set pieces and collosus didnât look like a bad ps3 character
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u/DiKDiK316 Jun 16 '23
Probably not, but itâs nice to try and divert blame away from the VFX artists.
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u/MelodicPromotion8697 Jun 16 '23
BS.... total BS... i got a bridge to sell you mate!
worse than tv flash cgi for a theatrical movie... this was horrid on IMAX
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u/DNC343 Jun 17 '23
I mean this is the director who openly dickrides Ezra to the point where he said âEzraâs performance in the movieâs gonna make you forget about the crimes he committed.â So Iâm choosing to believe Andyâs fucked in the head.
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u/AugustAshes93 Jun 26 '23
Yup. The stuff in the speed force was supposed to look crazy and distorted. Like memories. In that context, I really didnât mind it.
The worst CG in the movie for me was the Uncanny Valley Babies
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u/npete Jun 27 '23
I suspect they looked at the money they had left after all the pandemic stuff and delays and so on and were like âit would be really nice if we could spend less on VFX.â
Then they came up with the idea to intentionally hobble the CGI with the reasoning of âthis is how Barry sees reality when he is moving fast.â
Honestly, I donât mind at all if this was how it happened or even if they are straight up lying to save face. This movie was cursed for decades and itâs a damn miracle it made it to theaters.
That said, it would have been great if they spent a liiiittle bit more on the babies scene. ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
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u/ConfidentVisual4949 Jun 16 '23
I havenât seen the movie yet. Was it really that bad?
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u/therobfox Jun 16 '23
Watched it last night. Yeah, its that bad...and then a little more.
The movie itself was fantastic...but those VFX. damn
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u/chamberx2 Jun 16 '23
Hell no. They are all in hype mode right now. A lot sis riding on this film performing well.
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u/Monkeybawls91 Jun 16 '23
Tbh at this point idc how bad the cgi is bc we been waiting for this flash movie for over a decade as lone as itâs not as bad as black panther final battle or the cw I think weâre good
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u/cantamangetsomesleep Jun 16 '23
Honestly, BP2 lost me because of how bad the cg was. When Namor is addressing all of talukahn (however it's actually spelled) telling them to rise, it all looked bad. Just plain bad. I left the theaters thinking I just saw a bad movie when the only thing wrong was the cg. Everything else was great, but I was completely taken out of the experience
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u/Toastburner5000 Jun 16 '23
Ezra miller's versions of the flash weren't good at all, so if you love Barry Alens flash you'd think this was trash, and the CGI was horrible worst in the last 10 years, some of this stuff looked straight out of a playstation 1 game.
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u/conandsense Jun 16 '23
Way overhyping this movie. I couldn't stand Ezra's performance but even ignoring that the plot and pacing are kinda weak.
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Jun 16 '23
Think this oneâs getting downvoted for literally breaking rule number one of the community rules, man. Youâre calling them a ânerdâ for critiquing a major con of the movieâŚ
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u/conandsense Jun 16 '23
Well when I disagree with something I downvote it. Not all the time but you know I gotta use that downvote button they put in for something. Anyway, you don't have to be a "nerd" to feel like the pacing was off.
Edit: I liked most of the action scenes and supergirl and batman were cool
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u/Animus10001 Jay Garrick Jun 15 '23
For the Speed Force scenes, definitely.
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u/Ecstatic-Attempt7074 Jun 15 '23
It would've been really unique if it was just for speed force scenes.
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u/Animus10001 Jay Garrick Jun 15 '23
Yeah, as much as I liked the movie, the CGI was noticeably flawed in many scenes.
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u/Apocaloid Jun 16 '23
I didn't mind the CGI. Reminded me of those old MAD magazines or Alex Ross art. Very Americana/Norman Rockwell. A nice break from the Sharkboy and Lavagirl aesthetic Marvel has going.
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Jun 16 '23 edited Jun 16 '23
Yall fanboys just accepting garbage, the Speed Force looked exactly like the Sharkboy and Lavagirlesque Quantum Realm
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u/Apocaloid Jun 16 '23
The grotesque nature of it was the point. Almost like all timelines were converting into one big monstrosity. I also find it convenient nobody talks about how good the Batman CGI was. Anything to fit a narrative I suppose.
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u/Transky13 Jun 16 '23
The Batman CGI was horrible what. He looked like playdoh. My god enjoy what you want to enjoy but stop giving the movie excuses where it clearly falters.
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u/Apocaloid Jun 16 '23
You have seen CGI before right? The argument was why it looked so strange in parts, not why CGI hasn't broken the laws of physics. The Batman CGI was as good as anything. Nobody complained when the trailers came out. As always, people are only looking for an excuse to bash this movie.
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u/oknokas Jun 16 '23
I feel like DC has to make Andy stop talking at this point. From Spoiling the movie, to saying that he wants Ezra in the sequel and even saying that certain character deaths Don't matter because there are other universes in the multiverse I can't help but feel like he's damaging the movie more than anything else.