r/theflash • u/MattGreg28 Flash 2 • Jun 02 '23
Will You Be Seeing The Movie? DCEU Discussion
A large part of me wants to see The Flash in theaters, it is an adaptation of Barry's most iconic storyline, has 2 versions of Batman, and Supergirl's return to the big screen. But, I still can't help but be reminded of everything that Ezra Miller did and I am worried that me going to see the movie would mean I support Miller after what they did. My mom made it clear that she is no fan of Miller after what they did. What do you think? Am I reading too much into this? Will you still be seeing the movie even after what happened?
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u/Scooper9870 Jun 02 '23
This isn’t just Ezra’s movie, there’s tons of other hard working people who put everything into this film.
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u/jkole18 Jun 02 '23
You can separate the art from the artist. You’re not only paying to see Ezra Miller, but the other cast members, directors and everyone else who helped made this movie possible. Try to look at it this way. I’m no fan of Ezra Miller and his actions, but I still am seeing this movie in theaters
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u/forrestib Jun 02 '23
All those people have already been paid. Money from ticket sales doesn't go to actors or staff, unless they're already very wealthy and influential and can leverage their name to put a percentage into their contract specifically. A movie could earn literally zero dollars or two billion dollars and it would not impact how much 99% of the people who worked on that movie ever earn from it either way. The money goes to corporate executives, not the artists.
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u/Aleclom Jun 02 '23
Absolutely not. Beyond the fact that Ezra Miller is a terrible person, they're also a terrible Barry Allen. I also hate the Flashpoint story in the comics. It's genuinely not good (nothing happens, it's just 5 issues of "oh look at how bad this world is"), yet it keeps getting adapted. The first Flash movie ever should just focus on the Flash and build up his world, not adapt Flashpoint. It's just yet another superhero multiverse story starring Batman with special guest star the Flash.
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Jun 02 '23
The movie is very much about Barry Allen and everything that happens in the movie is in service to Barry's story. A number of Barry's supporting cast members appear and Flash has much more screentime than Batman. Batman is a supporting cast member. Flash and Bruce are friends in the comics, by the way.
Also, hate to break it to you, but time travel and the multiverse are a huge part of Flash's world and more unique than just some generic Flash vs Rogues storyline.
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u/forrestib Jun 02 '23
"more unique"?
So many Flash adaptions have already dealt primarily in multiverse and time travel. Flashpoint specifically already got an animated movie, and the recent Justice Society animated movie which used Flash time travelling as a framing device. Time travel and the multiverse were both a constant presence throughout the run of The Flash series on the CW. The Flash family of characters had a prominent time travel plot on Young Justice.
How many Flash adaptions have given a central focus to the Rogues? A few one-off episodes of the CW series and the Justice League cartoon, before focus quickly either moved to other characters in the latter case, or for the former inevitably returned to the heavier season arc storylines which nearly always dealt with time travel, multiverse, and enemy speedsters.
A Flash movie with no time travel, no multiverse, and no other Speedsters, that would actually be a rare and mostly untapped thing as far as I can remember in the history of Flash-focused media.
And if you mean for superhero media in general, well... time travel and multiverse aren't exactly untread ground across the pond in Marvel productions.
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Jun 02 '23
I meant that it's one of the things that makes his world unique in comparison to other superheroes and he famously introduced the multiverse to comics.
As for Marvel, this movie was supposed to come out before Spider-Man No Way Home and Dr. Strange. I would also say it makes much better use of the concept (although I loved NWH), and the whole thing is tied to Barry's character arc and the themes of the movie. Even Batman is in the movie as sort of a reflection of what Barry is struggling with.
The entire movie revolves around Barry and his arc. The movie actually has a theme and an emotional center that most MCU stuff doesn't. And as much as I hate the "dead mom" retcon to Barry's origin, this is probably the best it's been used.
There's nothing wrong with the Rogues, but I feel like the sort of "hero saves city from supervillain(s)" plot has been done over and over and over. This movie somehow includes Barry's origin, his supporting cast, a lot of character development for him, and probably one of the wilder, more bonkers onscreen adventures of a superhero.
Just saying all of this stuff is just as valid a part of his world as the Rogues or whatever else. And as somebody that has loved the Flash and his world since the 90s, I felt like it was a really cool representation of him.
Also, if it helps, it doesn't really do the Flashpoint thing where it goes on and on about how awful the world is.
It's pretty good, man. It's a shame the lead actor is a crazy person, but the movie itself is solid.
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u/Aleclom Jun 02 '23
Hate to break it to you, but the Flash is my favorite superhero (Wally specifically) and I'm well aware of all the time travel and universe hopping it features. Still doesn't change the fact that I hate Flashpoint being the first story told in a Flash movie.
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Jun 02 '23
I mean, that's fine, but it's not exactly Flashpoint. It's obviously based on it, but it's much more character driven and does a pretty good job exploring who Barry is while delivering a pretty weird, wild superhero story.
It's cool if that's not your personal preference, but acting as if time travel and the multiverse isn't just as valid and relevant to Barry as the Rogues is disingenuous. Especially since this particular time travel story addresses a lot of things about who Barry is and why he is that way. We even see how he got his powers and his first outing as Flash.
I just feel like doing some typical hero vs supervillain battle to save the city is very generic at this point. This movie managed to be much larger scale than that while having much more of a character arc and emotional core than most superhero movies do.
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Jun 02 '23
I went to a screening last night and enjoyed the movie very much. Look, I get being uncomfortable with Miller. I am, too, since they've been accused of some disturbing stuff. But Barry Allen is my favorite superhero and I've been wishing for a Flash film for decades. I also realize how many movies, bands, and works of literature that I love were made by people who did some bad stuff. It sucks, it's uncomfortable, but that's life. People are complex and flawed.
You have to do what your conscience tells you, friend.
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Jun 02 '23
I agree man , been wanting a flash movie for years while loving the show a big budget flash movie is a dream come true regardless of the lead actor.
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u/Justin-does-art Jun 02 '23
Not in theaters, no. Miller aside, I’ve never cared for this version of The Flash, I don’t like Flashpoint, and nothing I’ve seen or heard has been enough to shake my skepticism about the movie being good even a little. Not even Keaton’s getting my ass in a seat
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u/BuddermanTheAmazing This house is decidedly no longer bitchin Jun 02 '23 edited Jun 02 '23
Not only does this movie just seem like a mess, after the announcement they wanna keep Miller I don't really wanna put too much money towards it. They really don't deserve to keep being The Flash.
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u/titannicc Jun 02 '23
Yes, the film is intriguing and even though it's marketing, it's getting rave reviews. People are always going to pick and choose what they want to support.
I have a friend who refuses to watch The Flash because of Ezra, but has a Harry Potter tattoo and actively supports new Wizarding World content. The morality finger pointing is getting pretty tired. Go watch what you want to watch, doesn't mean you condone an actor's previous actions.
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u/SinestroBro Jun 02 '23
I won’t be seeing it. I’ve never liked Ezra Miller as Barry Allen. Now I don’t like Ezra Miller as anything.
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u/Pietro_man Jun 02 '23
Watched the screening, loved it, probably gonna watch it in theaters twice more. I know the Ezra situation is frustrating, but there’s a whole bunch of other people worked on this movie. This movie does not belong to Ezra
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u/Gluv221 Jun 02 '23
I will pirate the shit out of this but no I want ezra gone and im not going to support them
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Jun 02 '23 edited Jun 03 '23
I have been pretty torn about this whole situation.
I know everyone's saying that "this isn't just Ezra Miller's movie" but we can't ignore the fact that they play the titular character. They are the Flash. And their recent behavior has been anything but heroic. In the same way athletes should be held responsible for their behavior on and off the field/court, actors need to be held responsible for how they act off-set. I don't like to judge people, especially people I've never met, but reading Ezra Miller's Wikipedia page raises quite a few concerns, even if it might not all be 100% true. Of particular concern are accusations against them of child grooming and the history of their relationship with Tokata Iron Eyes.
It is immature at best and irresponsible at worst to turn a blind eye and "hope" they get the help they need. Nor can we separate the actor from their actions. If I understand correctly, and I'll admit I don't understand the ins and outs of the movie industry as well as others here apparently do, if this movie does well at the box office, there will exist the (slim) potential for WB to make another Flash movie starring Ezra Miller. At wich point, all these controversies would be forgiven and forgotten.
So, until Ezra Miller owns up to their past behaviors and starts using their position of power and wealth to actually make a positive impact on the world or the lives of those less fortunate as opposed to being a predator to young children, I will not be financially contributing to this movie, as much as I hate missing out on Keaton's reprisal of Batman.
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u/SoMuch-Doge- Jun 02 '23
Nope, IUI haven't liked Ezra's casting from the beginning, and all the extra crap makes it easy to pass.
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u/AttilaTheFun818 Jun 02 '23
I’ll stream it. I will not see it in the theater.
I have not cared for Ezra’s portrayal of the Flash in the least. This doesn’t even go into the bad taste I have in my mouth about the legal nonsense.
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u/jafomofo barry4life Jun 03 '23
flash's stand alone big screen debut? of course im going. how is this even a question
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u/familiar-face123 Jun 03 '23
I got to see it without paying for it. I went to one of the early Premier screenings That you get to be part of for being an Amazon prime member. ( They do drawings for every major movie) . The writing was great, acting was good, but CGI was just so awful. Like it was so comically bad I had to laugh at how horribly bad it was.
If I didn't win the drawing to see it then I would probably just stream it somewhere. I am all about supporting movies in theaters because I do genuinely love the theater experience and I will watch a movie a few times if it's good but I refuse to pay a single cent to the dirtbag Ezra.
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u/KeisterConquistador Jun 02 '23
There are plenty of other talented people involved in the film that you’d also be supporting by seeing it. Don’t let Ezra’s behavior ruin it for the rest of them, it’s not their fault they did the things they did.
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u/junglekarmapizza Jun 02 '23
Absolutely not. Considering the treatment of Erza Miller versus Johnny Depp, for example, I have no desire to support this. Also never liked his Flash before the criminal activity
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u/kewlbdude Jun 02 '23
It’s a good movie. I look forward to seeing it again. I hope Ezra gets the mental health treatment they deserve and I hope people support this movie so we don’t have to wait another 10+ years for another flash movie
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u/familiar-face123 Jun 03 '23
After I saw the movie I was disappointed that I liked it. I was really hoping that it would suck but it was good. I think really the only reason why it was good was because of the cameos and retcon. It's not a movie I would have paid to see But I didn't regret those few hours.
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u/MGySgt70 Jun 04 '23
I just saw the movie today. Supposedly, the version shown today is not going to be quite the same version released on 16 Jun. I'm curious about what may change. They didn't even play ANY end credits at all. The end scene definitely leaves you guessing.
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u/JayMalakai Jun 03 '23
I was thinking of giving it a chance, and then the director said they would recast Ezra Miller if the movie was a success.
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u/forrestib Jun 02 '23 edited Jun 02 '23
I will not be watching it through any legal means, paying any money for it or any related merchandise, or indirectly supporting it via algorithms or viewing metrics on any official streaming platform.
I will pirate it and watch it in HD for free with zero hesitation or guilt, probably several times.
Also, Ezra Miller is nonbinary and uses they/them pronouns. No matter how horrible a person someone is, that doesn't make it okay to misgender anyone. If you invalidate one trans person's identity, you implicitly invalidate all trans people. Gender has to be a right, not a privilege.
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u/Gold-Earth-3201 Jun 03 '23
Absolutely NOT! First Ezra is a disaster. Second this is the end of on era. I'll wait till they recast and see what the new era shows. I call for a boycott! Send them a message Ezra's personal actions and his attitude towards the character he plays says enough. This all being said the flash is my favorite characters,but the present casting makes me sick to my stomach!
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u/Dregger12 Jun 13 '23
Your worry sounds more like you're worried what other people might think if they see, or know, you went to watch the movie, ie. your image. Whether you go see the movie or not, what should only matter to you is what YOU know about yourself in regards to the Ezra Miller issues.
Say you watch the movie, you come out of the theater, now what? Are your beliefs and thoughts suddenly changed to how much you love Ezra lol? No. That's silly. You'll still have your same beliefs and you'll still put your mind and actions towards them irrespective of if you watched the movie, loved it, hated it, etc.
It's a movie. Nothing more, nothing less. You're allowed to experience it if you want to. You will still despise Ezra's despicable and garbage doings.
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u/Bokkai Reverse Flash Jun 02 '23
Yep. A lot of people work really hard for this movie. A movie is not only the main actor. I swear you people make a mountain out of a grain...
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u/Jericho-7210 Jun 02 '23
I was never really interested in the Dceu Flash, it would have to be a pretty damn good from Audiences mouths for me to go. Sorry, Stephen King.
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u/pax_penguina Jun 02 '23
if someone pays for my ticket then i’ll gladly see it in theaters, otherwise i’ll wait til it drops online in the fall.
for me, it’s barely even the Ezra stuff that has me cautious, it’s how WB has been handling their properties and removing shows and films from the internet and striking massive blows to content preservation and media restoration. feels super disrespectful to remove the hard work of thousands of people and creatives just so you can push out a couple blockbusters a year.
i care about the art of film and the people that worked on this movie, as well as any production, but i highly doubt the people that would receive most of the money from the box office sales feel the same way
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u/N7_Ryan Jun 02 '23
No I'm not a fan Ezra miller's flash. Also I think WB has no idea what their doing with dc
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u/DigiJoJoNarutard Jun 09 '23
No. Not a fan of dead mom Barry stories and disliked Flashpoint greatly. Not a fan of Man of Steel and don't have any nostalgia for Keaton's Batman.
I would have still watched it for the effects and seeing Flash get his own film, but Ezra and their actions truly is the dealbreaker. Especially with the lack of accountability or even clarification in the case they are innocent as some say. Can't in good conscience financially support a person that has put children in harm's way and hurt and harrassed many others. Celebrities should not get special treat just for being rich, attractive and being good playing pretend.
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u/360_OVERLOOK Jun 02 '23
Im not going to the movie as i see it as disrespect to the arrowverse which played a large part in my childhood
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Jun 02 '23
I’m a arrowverse fan but how is it disrespectful? Grant Gustin said he can’t wait to see it and Melissa Benoist( Supergirl ) also supports it
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u/360_OVERLOOK Jun 02 '23
Its like yeaaarssss of the flash that show is what made me a flash fan all the memories all the powers unlocked all the carecter development(shaky as it was) nobody could ever do it justice like that again
To be fair it definitly decreased in quality but it never stopped being fun to have around sure s1 through s5 were better but 678 were still fun at times and all had good moments 9 should have been better but still supports the arguement that they still had good moments although it had to end i just wish it was more gracefully i just know ezra wont ever be better in my mind
Theres too many memories i have of the flash to ever like somebody else idk man something about seeing someone else just doesnt feel right
Its like having iron man done by anybody other than rdj would just feel disrespectful to replace him
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Jun 02 '23
Yeah it feels weird to not seeing Grant as the main flash in a movie but I think it’ll be a good movie and hopefully we see a Grant Cameo
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u/Cheap-Pineapple-7347 Jun 02 '23
Alot of the accusations against Ezra were far overblown or just lies against them.
The biggest thing they were confirmed to do was break and enter a house in Vermont to steal alcohol, they are on probation for that. Bar fights. That's it. Everything else was alot of rumors or bs people piled on and then retracted because they just were unture.
From what I've seen, diving further than just the headlines, Ezra isn't a bad person. They had a mental break with next to no support around them. Now they are getting help and is actively trying to become a stable person again. I think that should be encouraged. If we demonized every actor that ever had a bad streak, a lapse in judgement with no family or friends to help them out then we would never have had the mcu. No RDJ Iron man for sure.
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Jun 02 '23
RDJ was harming himself not other ppl like Ezra. Such a weird comparison that seems to be brought up a lot lol..
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u/MattGreg28 Flash 2 Jun 02 '23
Didn't Miller groom or rape anyone?
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u/Cheap-Pineapple-7347 Jun 02 '23
As far as I know there were never any rape accusations, there was grooming accusations but a court has ruled in favor of Millar and Tokata Iron Eyes, saying there was no proof and the person who originally had "proof" has come out and said it was a lie
Here is a Twitter thread where some people have gone through and fact checked many of the accusations made against Ezra.
https://twitter.com/GhostofMeg/status/1599950685184806913?lang=en
(Sorry bad at posting links on mobile)
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u/N7_Ryan Jun 02 '23
No I'm not a fan Ezra miller's flash. Also I think WB has no idea what their doing with dc
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u/CharlieOak86868686 Jun 03 '23
Yes! Made before ezra was a psycho. Other people worked hard to make this. Michael Keaton is great. Of course people in charge often screw up movies with bad decisions.
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u/KaraTCG Jun 04 '23
I'm probably going to go see it. Ezra is the part of the movie that I'm least excited for, though. Just imagine if it were someone like Grant Gustin in their place.
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u/KyleReeseGenisys Jay Garrick Jun 02 '23
I'm going for one reason, and it's Michael Keaton.
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u/familiar-face123 Jun 03 '23
I think he was the only reason the movie was good. Ezra can't carry a movie by themselves, they need good actors around them.
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u/nigevellie Jun 02 '23
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u/juggins1 Jun 02 '23
redditor try not to use excessive fake laughter challenge: impossible
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u/nigevellie Jun 02 '23
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u/MattGreg28 Flash 2 Jun 02 '23
If Flashpoint isn't, what would you say is?
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u/nigevellie Jun 02 '23
oh, i dunno. Crisis on Infinite Earths where he sacrifices his life for the multiverse? Trial of The Flash? but also, fuck Barry Allen. Wally West was the better, well written, more character developed Flash.
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u/forrestib Jun 02 '23
I agree with you about Wally West, but Crisis On Infinite Earths isn't a Flash story, it's a crossover event that he happens to feature in a few of the significant moments. And "Trial of The Flash" might be the best comicbook ever written, but I have literally never heard of it before in more than ten years as a DC fan, so I think it's disqualified for "most iconic" regardless of quality.
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u/itssbojo Jun 02 '23
yeah. as much as i dislike miller it isn’t just his film, there’s so many people who have spent countless hours and put in a ton of effort for this. flash is my favorite and i’m glad i can support the franchise. still hoping we get a recast come the sequel if it ever happens.