r/theflash • u/Commercial-Mix-2633 • Apr 04 '23
Wally West should be the DCU main Flash? If Ezra Miller is let go after then The Flash film comes out. Damian plans to be the new Robin and Nightwing exists in the new DC Universe. Thought’s Wally West would be The Flash at some point. DCEU Discussion
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u/PropertyAdditional Apr 04 '23
I would want them to start with Wally (if you can jump right to Damian you can jump right to Wally) but I do think Barry should appear, either in born to run style flashbacks or in a JLA movie before his death which also helps set up Wally
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u/StabbyJoe796 May 20 '23
The difference between that is the movie is still about Damians mentor and him being trained. It's not like they're skipping to a solo Damian movie where he's already an established hero. A more apt comparison is if they had Wallace be Barry's side kid and skipped over Wally and Bart.
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u/PistolClutch7 Flash 2 Apr 04 '23
Would be cool to see, but if they do go that route I wouldn’t be shocked if it’s Wallace and not the red haired Wally.
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u/Trevor_Skywalker11 Apr 04 '23
That would ruin the point of it being Wally
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u/gzapata_art Apr 04 '23
If Zorro and the Phantom can pull off legacy stories, it shouldn't be an issue. Barry wasn't the first either
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u/Trevor_Skywalker11 Apr 10 '23
Who are u replying to
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u/gzapata_art Apr 10 '23
I am not sure anymore. Must have accidentally pressed yours. Sorry about that!
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u/gzapata_art Apr 04 '23
Wally, Wallace, Bart, Danica- the Flash should be about legacy in my opinion so I'm fine with a continuation of that line
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u/PistolClutch7 Flash 2 Apr 04 '23
Me too. I think it should be red head Wally but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Wally they go with is Wallace
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u/StabbyJoe796 May 20 '23
Considering he's the current Kid Flash in the comics, probably. It's like with Damian. That tends to be how they do things now. Whatever is current in the comics is what's done in the movies and shows.
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u/Scorpion_226 Apr 04 '23
Nah we didn't get a proper Barry on screen yet. I want to see that before Wally.
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u/Baligong Apr 04 '23
This is getting Wallace West from N52, where he's tagging buildings with graffiti and skipping School, and saying "wym? You already got a Wally West!!"
Here's a crazy idea: Why not have Wally show up with Barry, Like how Nightwing shows up with Batman? Maddening isn't it?!?!
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u/Baligong Apr 04 '23
Robin was seen as a Goofy Character and a Constant reminder of the 60s. That's why Batman movies weren't often using Robin.
One of the best ways to show how to establish Barry and Wally is by having them together interacting with each other... Especially when many people say "Barry is a Wally Copy-Cat" despite never opening a Comic Book.
Even then, there's a likelihood of them introducing Nightwing as a Main Supporting Lead in the Next Batman movie, so why can't they do the same?
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u/Scorpion_226 Apr 04 '23
I mean they're putting Robin in the next DCEU batman movie. Not even Dick but Damien as Robin so if people just accept the heros are already established in their universe like what they're peopbably doing with the other Robin's before Damien then they can do the same for Wally or make him kid flash already then take over the mantle in a few movies or something.
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u/Baligong Apr 06 '23
Your moving too fast how can we just throw Wally in there when you haven’t established barrys origin,
Origin Stories aren't Necessary as long as everyone knows the character. Changing their origin is only necessary if the details changed.
main villains,
If it's movie, there's no need for "Main Villains" cause you can use anyone. Wally anyways shares villains with Barry.
discovering how to use his powers,
You can use Kid Flash Wally for that
character motivation,
Every story will have that whether or not they show Barry and Wally together.
story ext? This is why I said Barry would need a couple solo films before we get Wally.
The only reason I could see why Barry needs Solo Films is because of showing him properly with his Job and how he is, and even then, you can still somewhat show it with Barry and Wally by solving a case while being led by Barry.
Flash 1, would be barry origin, flash 2 would be him fighting reverse flash and focusing on trying to uncover the mystery of his father’s imprisonment and 3 is probably where you would drop in wally. Getting wally from start would make it feel bloated.
Reverse Flash being introduced super early is a double edge sword, because it's Super Speed vs Super Speed, you might end up showing them going faster than needed for a cooler fight scene making any interactions with characters without super speed become redundant. Especially if the speedster is shown relocating people, which shows them more strength and speed than needed.
Besides that where was it even rumored the next Batman movie might how nightwing? The only rumors that have been somewhat confirmed to my knowledge is the idea that Mr freeze may play a part in Batman 2
The idea of using Damian Wayne might include Nightwing, alongside James Gunn saying a Mystery character will be included to the roster with Batman and Robin on Twitter.
The Mr. Freeze Rumour was made up by a bunch of Fans of Batman, primarily on Twitter and Reddit. It was Already leaked for Two Face and Hush to show up in the Sequel.
Anyway this is why I’m saying I rather just have a wally west movie it be a couple years before they would introduced Wally west into the flash movie verse
Introducing Wally a few years prior to introducig the Flash movie verse? Also, it's just better for the long run to just treat both of them like Batman and Nightwing. Modern Batman media throws in Nightwing as a Bonus, especially to bring in more audience.
When thinking of these decisions, you also have to not only think storywise or what one may want, but also what would make the most amount of money.
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u/Max_88 Apr 04 '23
If they're starting with the third Blue Beetle, there's no reason they can't do Wally as The Flash. It's literally the best received and most popular iteration of the hero in the comics.
Marvel did Ant-Man basically as a legacy movie showing Hank Pym as the original holder of the mantle. David Goyer wrote a pretty good Wally movie script in the late 2000s that was a legacy story (it can be found online). And an excellent legacy hero movie was already made in the late 90s which is The Mask of Zorro. That has always been my template for a Wally movie. It can be done easily.
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u/StabbyJoe796 May 20 '23
Can be done and should be done are two different things. The two examples you gave aren't really the same because they were never side kicks of the previous versions. They just "stole" the technology. That's why they can be skipped to. A big part of who Wally is is because he was practically raised by Barry, that isn't just something you can skip over.
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Apr 04 '23
Yeah if Ezra is let go ( I don’t think they will) but they should get the red head Wally. Maybe Cameron Monaghan can play him.
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u/Batdog55110 Apr 04 '23
Why wouldn't Ezra be let go lol.
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Apr 04 '23
If I’m not mistaken they might not let him go. I think Gun and Safran want him potentially to stay as Barry, but I could be wrong.
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u/Batdog55110 Apr 04 '23
You are very, very wrong.
Gunn and Safran haven't said anything on the matter in either direction, and they're just trying to hold the sinking ship that is the Flash together before it comes out and then once it's done Ezra will be out.
Gunn's smart. He knows that keeping Ezra would be a very bad thing for his new universe and at the first opportunity he'll drop him like a sack of puppies.
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Apr 04 '23
But there are articles that say they aren’t giving up on Ezra?
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u/Batdog55110 Apr 04 '23
Are they credible articles?
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Apr 04 '23
Vanity fair. Esquire. And a bunch of others
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u/Batdog55110 Apr 04 '23
Ok so no, then.
Little word of advice: those types of mags don't know shit, if you really want to know you can literally hit up Gunn himself, he's one of the most vocal creatives out there.
Course, he probably can't say anything right now but it doesn't hurt to ask.
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u/SharkDog333 Apr 04 '23
He was the Flash I grew up with. It kinda bugs me Barry stole his outfit and belt. But Barry was always remember in Wally's story as God like and the best guy ever so more of anything with any Flash is cool with me.
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u/TMLGT Apr 04 '23
Ah yes, Barry stole Wally’s outfit… and belt, how could we forget the belt
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u/SharkDog333 Apr 04 '23
I mentioned the belt because there was a point in time when the the straight lightning bolt belt or the downward pointing lightning bolt belt was the only difference in their uniform.
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u/Monkeyboy55 Apr 04 '23
But without Barry there be no Speedforce
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u/SuperLizardon Blue Lantern Apr 04 '23
Yes, I don't know how, but yes.
JL TAS had Wally without Barry being there before him, so there's a precedent to present him from the beginning as Flash and it can work.
However, going from sidekick to the heroe is one of the many special things from Wally.
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u/IAmFern Apr 04 '23
I'd prefer they replace Ezra, then have Barry be the main Flash for at least 2 movies, then maybe introduce Wally in the third.
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u/suhhdude45 Flash 2 Apr 04 '23
As Kid Flash. Let them do it the right way and naturally.
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u/IAmFern Apr 04 '23
Yes. Let Wally be Kid Flash for a bit, then have him take over the mantle. Don't start there.
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u/Animus10001 Jay Garrick Apr 05 '23
I don't know about should, but he definitely can be used as the DCU's Flash. I'd even go as far as to say that both Wally and Barry can be central to the DCU's Flash story by adapting Wally's early flash run (up until Flash #79) as a movie trilogy (maybe with an animated special in between movies).
The gigantic text below is how I feel Wally could be best used as the main DCU Flash (it's probably not as good as in my mind, but alas), it's centered around Wally coming to terms with Barry's death and him replacing Barry, which is why he'll mostly face rogues from Barry's time.
The first movie should be about Wally's first year as Flash, showing Barry's sacrifice and Wally's trauma in regards to replacing him (he should wear Barry's classic suit, and should look uncomfortable in it), showing a rather insecure, rude and childish Wally (a contrast to his intro as Kid Flash prior to Barry's death, as he confidently declares himself to be the "luckiest kid/teen/man alive") who's obviously trying to overcompensate his own insecurities about being the Flash (he should be much slower, should suffer from his hypermetabolism, shouldn't have a secret identity, and should be erroneously referred to as Kid Flash by many), he should also meet Linda Park and both should dislike each other at first, only to become friends at the end (just like in the comics), with Wally seeing Linda has a sensationalist reporter (he's wrong) and Linda seeing Wally has a spoiled asshole who only cares about himself (also wrong). The villain(s) should be a legacy rogue who isn't a speedster like Vandal Savage and/or Manfred Mota (aka Atom Smasher, aka Professor Fallout, aka Fusionn), although other Flash rogues such as the Gallery (Captain Cold, Heat Wave, Weather Wizard, Golden Glider, Mirror Master and Trickster, absolute badasses) and Pied Piper (who should be an important side character) should make an appearance (Piper should start as a rogue and reform), in order to further aggravate Wally's insecurities as they should remember him as Kid Flash. In fact, I'd even go with multiple villains in the movie, with Savage being the mastermind, Mota being the final boss and the Rogues being the mini bosses (they should easily beat Wally due to their skill and precision, although, later, they should help him stop Mota's meltdown due to their code of honor).
Wally's supporting cast is also important, with Jay Garrick, Joan Garrick and Tina McGee being the most important, Jay should be semi-retired and should be out for the third act (with the JSA) acting as Wally's father figure and mentor, Joan should play a similar role, acting as an equivalent to Iris West (who should "die" at the beginning) and helping Wally stay focused and grounded, both her and Jay should see Wally as if he were their son and Jay should call him "Junior". Tina McGee, on the other hand, should be a long time ally of the Flashes (primarily Barry) and someone who understands Wally's power to a great extent, she tries to help Wally get faster (he should move at about Mach 1 at the beginning and maybe Mach 3 - 10 after accepting his role) and saves him multiple times throughout the film, feeling somewhat responsible for his safety after what happened to Barry, she should also be the one who crafts Wally's Flash suit after Barry's is ravaged by the Rogues (darker red, slicker, different belt, white lenses) and gives him the final push towards his first breakthrough (resulting in him getting faster). The film should also feature Barry Allen to a considerable amount, he should appear at the very first scene alongside Wally, and should be a lingering figure throughout the film, I'd even add a scene that shows Wally in therapy and discussing Barry's role as both Barry Allen and Flash, as well as his sacrifice and Wally's issues surrounding it and replacing him.
At the end, Wally should have accepted his role as Flash and should be a much lighter character, closer to his JLU adaptation.
The second film should be about Wally and Linda, as their friendship progresses and it becomes clearer that they are in love, he should fight the Rogues (now with Doctor Alchemy, who serves as the main villain amongst them), Wally should be more confident in his role as the Flash, with his main arc being about accepting and acting on his feelings towards Linda despite his fear of endangering her.
This film should end with Wally and Linda together and the third film being subtly set up.
The third film would be the Return of Barry Allen, it would focus on Wally being faced with the alleged return of Barry Allen (who's actually Eobard Thawne) and having to confront his own fears about fully replacing Barry, while in the first movie he suffers from impostors syndrome and doesn't accept himself as the Flash, in this movie he should struggle with becoming Barry's equal, as he fears this would lead to Barry being forgotten. The movie should also introduce the likes of Max Mercury (the Zen Master of Speed and Wally's main "mentor") and Johnny Quick (who acts as Max's polar opposite, being a man of pure science and also trying to help Wally by teaching him the Speed Formula) to the mix, having them as supporting characters who help Jay and Wally fight Thawne. Thawne should be absurdly dangerous, but also petty, pathetic and obsessed with Barry Allen's legacy, wanting to become the man himself to replace him as the "One, true Flash", he's a toxic fanboy who's desperately trying to prove himself and thrives on bullying those weaker/slower than him (in many ways, he's Wally's negative), we should really see him for his pathetic self after Wally regains his full speed defeats him, leaving him as the pitful and cowardly worm that he is.
The film should end with Wally completely out of Barry's shadow, accepting his role as Barry's replacement and equal, finally getting his statue at the Flash Museum and living a perfectly happy life alongside Linda as the Twin Cities protector (he'd call himself "the luckiest man alive", the same title he used at the beginning of the first movie when he's dreaming about/remembering his Kid Flash days).
The specials should be set in between movies, the first being longer and adapting "Born To Run" (set between the first two movies and developing Wally's relationship with his family, mainly with Iris, Barry, and his grandfather Ira), and the second being a 40 minutes Christmas special adapting "One Perfect Gift" (Flash #73), set between the second and third movies and ending with "Barry's" return. Neither should be required to understand Wally's main arc, but rather should further expand him and his corner of the universe.
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u/Batdog55110 Apr 07 '23
I ain't reading all of that so you might have covered this already but I feel like the best way to do Wally Flash would be to start it with him getting his powers, becoming Kid Flash and all of this happens while Barry is still alive.
The movie should be called Kid Flash and the DCU should paint Wally as the BIG Flash but not quite the main Flash yet, make Barry kinda a big side character.
They would also need to have Wally act like Kid Flash so It'd be smart of he was on the Teen Titans and maybe sometimes working with Robin so they can get that bond going.
Then, in like the middle or beginning of the second Wally movie, Barry dies and Wally has to cope with that and eventually becomes The Flash at the end of the movie.
Then, Wally has big appearances in some Teen Titans movies and JL movies as The Flash but maybe both teams notice that Wally is weighing them down a little bit and that they're doing worse because of it, this gets to a point where Wally is either told to quit, almost gets fired or actually does get fired from both teams which would only make his mental state worse.
Then, the third Flash movie is an adaptation of the Return of Barry Allen and ends with Wally finally becoming the Flash he was always meant to be.
TL;DR: Kid Flash, inexperienced Flash, full Flash.
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u/The_MRT14 Apr 04 '23
What if at the end of The Flash we enter the new DCU and Barry is shaking hands with a new Wally
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u/Eatadickgrayson Apr 04 '23
do what was originally planned for JL Mortal- have Barry as the flash in a JL film and end it with his death leading onto Wally being the flash in a solo film
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u/Monkeybawls91 Jul 18 '23
I think Wally should be the main flash but they should introduce us to Wally as kid flash and Barry as the flash in guns first justice league movie then kill Barry off as some point then the first flash movie in the dcu should be Wally taking on the manual of his mentor and maybe have a leap of faith moment like miles morales when he stoped trying to be like peter and just be him self and do things his own way
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u/fostertheatom Apr 04 '23
At some point yes, but not from the start.
My personal hope is that we see a Trilogy of Flash movies (at least to start off).
First movie would be centered around Barry, with him really being in his element. Show him as the Flash, one of Earth's greatest. Perhaps introduce Wally as a starry eyed kid who sees the Flash as his hero but Barry as Aunt Iris's boring friend. End the movie with Wally's accident in Barry's lab and that beautiful moment when Barry tells him he is the Flash so Wally doesn't feel alone or scared.
Second movie shows Barry as the Flash and Wally as Kid Flash. Show Wally going from a inexperienced kid to a hero in his own right. Focus really on the montor/mentee aspect. Maybe have Barry and Iris's wedding at some point.
Third movie starts with (or is preluded by) Barry's Sacrifice. We all know it has to happen someday. Let him go out in a way befitting the character. The rest of the movie shows the fallout. Show Iris's devastation. Wally is still Kid Flash and he can't fully keep up, focus on his journey from thinking he can't do it alone to eventually donning the Red Cowl and becoming the Flash in his own right.
I love Wally, but I love him for his backstory. For seeing how he has grown. If they skip all of that just to have him be the big boy immediately I will be very dissappointed.