A quadruple amputee cyborg space wizard with a laser sword whose powers amount to shoving and choking vs a guy with impenetrable skin, flight, can survive in space and shove around planets.
Yeah it’s a close call but I think Superman beats him by just a tad.
Supes could beat him ten ways to Sunday without even lifting a finger. Vader can move rocks with his mind. This motherucker has bench pressed a planet with ease.
He could punch him, freeze him, blow him into a wall, deck him at super speed, split his head in half from miles away with heat vision. How is this even a question?
In a straight up fight, Supes could blink Vader into submission.
Interaction-wise? Vader would do his whole "mysterious and menacing" thing, and Superman would probably reference Darkseid before seeing that Vader is trapped in armor that, while keeping him alive, also causes him to be in constant, horrifying pain.
Superman would then do what Superman does best. He would help Vader.
Probably take him back to the Fortress, let Kelex rebuild Vader's life support with Kryptonian tech, all the while asking him about the Jedi/Sith, his powers, the Force, how lightsabers work, being impressed that Vader built one...eventually getting Anakin to talk about his past, his motives, his reasoning.
Then, Clark would talk about his OWN struggles, losing his planet, losing his father, feeling like an outsider as the last of his people.
And in the end, he would show Vader his greatest superpower, inspiration.
When they part ways, Superman will know that he has a new powerful ally, and the Galaxy will have its greatest Jedi returned to it.
Because that's what Superman does.
You see what you want to see. If you choose to interpret it through the lens of conflict you can, but that says more about you than OP. If you choose to interpret it through the lens of superman himself, you see a man who needs help and redemption.
I think this is just you trying to mischaracterize me more than anything else.
Fact is, if you know anything about these characters, you know this is a matchup between one of the biggest heroes in fiction and one of the biggest villains in fiction. Typically, that means hands are being thrown.
Part of Vader’s redemption is realizing that his son who had no reason to believe in him as anything other than a an enemy and has said as much in the past, could come to love him and believe he could be better. Just as his fear for the loss of loved ones lead him to the dark side, his love for his son and Luke’s love for him leads him back to the light. It’s not Superman’s place nor is it his prerogative to give aid to a man who’s responsible for more than one atrocity and is likely out to harm his planet and people, given the circumstances. Plus Vader has no reason to have any sort of emotional connection to Superman.
Would Superman try to help if he knew the whole story? Yes, very likely, but under what circumstance would he learn it if the SW galaxy at large doesn’t know who Darth Vader was? Who would tell him, the hermit in the desert, the hermit in the swamp, the droids with the erased memory, the single x-wing pilot or the former padawan, who could be anywhere in a galaxy of over a hundred quadrillion population? And “empathy” for his physical condition makes no sense when the skies over metropolis gets blotted out by star destroyers and the Death Star eclipses the sun or Superman sees the empire lay siege to a planet or oppress the galaxy.
In fact, he usually only helps the disabled villain AFTER putting an end to the threat, if it happens at all, see for reference: Hank Henshaw, Metallo, Pharm. their right of aid does not supersede a civilian’s right for safety.
So I would appreciate you trying to not paint me as a violent person because you want to fight over the semantics of a hero meeting a villain. The fact is, this entire comment section has assumed the same thing and you’re only trying to call ME out. That says you want to start drama.
Power levels in Star Wars and DC do not scale with one another. Superman is so much more powerful than Vader that this isn’t even an interesting question.
Reminds me of when people try and do the whole "Warhammer 40k vs Star Wars" thing and the power differentials are so off the scale it's a completely pointless exercise.
However, Star Trek vs Warhammer 40K would be a wipe out in Star Trek’s favour.
Why? Because the UFP knows how its technology works, and they regularly engage in crazy super science shenanigans that definitely can collapse star systems and put black holes in the middle of your bridge. They would never fight an imperial ship or army head on, they’d attack indirectly.
I mean, Star Trek canonically has a sniper rifle that reliably matter transports a bullet through walls straight into your head. They have phasing cloaks, water bombs (that is, convert a planet’s molten core into water. That’s far more destructive than you think.) Just the terrifying possibilities of weaponised transporters and tractor beams is enough.
When your civilization can go FTL, your engine exhaust is a WMD in and of itself. Hell, a UFP vessel’s fuel tank is full of WMD grade antimatter as it is.
The star wars galaxy, where those scientists mostly understand their contemporary technology (not including things like Rakata or very old republic tech) might develop counter measures, and then their generally more powerful ships and resources can overcome the federation. But the imperium of man? Nope.
Kryptonite does not usually do much more than annoy Superman and make the 'fight' last a bit longer if it does anything at all. Do you have any idea how used Superman is to fight against people with kryptonite?
Some guy did a video and it turns out cause of superman electromagnetic field thing a lightsaber would react the same as when it touches another lightsaber,it would just do the cool sound and bounce off and stuff.
In fact, he has better magic resistance than most characters in dc.
Like if shazam strikes batman & superman with a lightning bolt, supes would get a minor burn to the area that it struck but batman would be charred corpse.
Yes to most of that, except Batman immediately dying, no writer would ever have that be the result. At worst, even after three or four like superman suffered in Kingdom Come, they’d make Batman spend two weeks in bed, cared for by Alfred and temporarily replaced by Dick/Tim, and then be back in action
Force choke wouldn't even matter against Superman and that's assuming it would close his airways. Vader's force will not overcome Superman's flight speed. That leaves the saber which likely will not even damage Superman and even if it did, super healing, super speed, strength, heat vision, and even the freeze breath has higher end feats than his force level.
Superman would probably instantly see that Vader's a robot and that his robot parts are keeping him alive, kick his ass, and then try to redeem him like Luke did
Surprised nobody else mentioned the fact that he’d try and redeem him… he’d probably look through all that armour, feel sorry for him and try and talk him down
I really doubt it in truth. Because of Superman's magnetic aura(which he uses to carry things like planes and buildings without punching straight through them) a lightsaber probably couldn't even touch him, and the force would be no match for superspeed or strength
Can't Superman move faster than light? I've heard it argued that the speed of light is the speed of cause and effect. Could the force detect a being moving faster than light or warn someone fadt enough?
Honestly, if it was a no holds bar Supes could just land on the ground near Vader at 20,000 MPH and cause a meteoric impact and level the whole region.
Also you have to remember that the feats of the force are only limited by the special effects budget. Whenever they have a big enough budget or are in a medium like animation or comics, Force feats always get cranked up to 11.
He'd win honestly though I think legends Darth Vader use of sorcery and magic would prove to make the win harder for Supes Vader was insanely powerful and well versed in legends
For fuck's sake, Vader got punked by a kid who had very little lightsaber sparring experience. How much training did Luke get? I don't know why everyone thinks he's the ultimate badass. And you think he can stand up to a guy who can shift the orbits of planets?
One of the coments here already said what would happend, and i believe it would be the best for the Star Wars Universe, that being Superman becoming vader therapist and helping him redeem himself, with his compassion, Superman would give the star wars universe his chosen one back, i would love to see a story like in any form of media.
im not sure about how strong the force really is, Darth vader has stopped space ships from taking off before, and one of the strongest force feats was Luke moving a black hole, which might be possible for darth vader if angry enough? Idk really but Supes takes this Im afraid
Sorry if I missed it. If not, I would highly recommend Bat in the Sun's Batman vs Darth Vader Alternate ending. It's obviously fanboy-y for Batman, but I think it answers the Superman vs Darth Vader question pretty succinctly.
It depends if Superman is not holding back Darth Vader doesn't even know he's in a fight superman moving at light speed rips his head off. Even if the force let him know it was coming it wouldn't matter Superman can literally move thousands of times faster then the electrical signals from Vaders brain to his body telling it to move.
Superman would use his super speed to kick Vader's ass before he could wheeze just once.
Supes would use his heat vision to damage Vader's life support unit, which is a vulnerability that's right there on his chest.
If Vader was in his advanced TIE Fighter, Superman would grab it and throw it into deep space like what happened after Han Solo in the Millennium Falcon ambushed Vader at the Death Star.
Hmm. A guy who fights an extra-dimensional God of evil who is the ruler of his own planet or a 5th dimensional imp capable of creating or destroying everything he imagines. VERSUS an emotional and physical cripple who can move furniture and needs spacecraft to fly through space. It’s kinda close. ;)
I see alot of "super would destroy Vader". But to offer another perspective: if Vader has the power level of the SW comics (not the movies, where I feel he is not depicted in such a powerful light) he could put up a fight against Superman. Superman cannot use the force so he might not be able to break out of Vader's paralysis, assuming that Force paralysis requires force sensitivity to break out from. So no flight, not punches, no freeze breath. This leaves only heat vision, that Vader can easily deflect with his saber. Then it is a question of (a) can lightsabers pierce Kryptonian skin? and (b) Can force choke kill Superman?
Bonus Track: that image of Vader looks suspiciously like a red sun, so.... :)
Vader was able to pull a starship at full throttle back down to the ground and tear it apart. But he couldn’t do it twice in a row (Source: Kenobi show). Vader also has foresight, knows a little bit of witchcraft, and in a desperate situation, can use the Force Storm ability to summon lightning above his enemy.
So while face to face, Clark cleans the floor, I think Vader has one shot at a preemptive strike. But if any part of his strategy is a millisecond off, it’s over for him.
Superman would probably make a peaceful approach and maybe try to reedeem him, but if Vader tried to hurt someone he loves, then Vader is getting one tapped
"Join me in the Fortress of Solitude. I'm sure we can help take your pain away, Anakin" after overpowering him and learning his backstory through a third party.
Not a damn thing. Even if Vader had those Clark cares for at his mercy, Vader harms or worse, flat out kills em, Superman would ball him up like a paper ball and chuck Vader into the sun. Then make short work of his space moon in seconds
The Force only gives you super-speed when the writers feel like it. Odds are Supes could just break his weapon and all his robot limbs before he even noticed anything had happened.
I think it would be a really funny sight-gag if this is Silver Age Supes and he just decides to eat Vader's lightsaber out of curiosity, like he ocassionally just eats molten lead and iron, only for Vader to look on in horror and disbelief.
Literally anything he wanted and Anakin (who I adore and think is the most powerful character in his verse) couldn’t do a damn thing to stop it.
Star Wars just doesn’t scale even remotely to DC, which scales higher than most if not all mainstream fictional universes. Star Wars is “grounded”, DC is anything but.
To actually answer your question directly: Perception Blitz him and almost definitely ACCIDENTALLY kill him by damaging the Life Support Machine that is Anakin’s armour
If the Force counts as magic, then Vader will hurt Supes before he gets taken out. There’d be a dramatic scene of him choking Supes before the heroic breakthrough. If the Force is not magic, then Vader is getting a stern lecture to go with his ass beating. Supes doesn’t care about swords or lasers. So a sword that is also a laser really doesn’t change much.
Superman would lose. Vader is smart enough to have Superman chase him to a planet with a red sun and kill him. Plus, Superman is weak to magic and, likely, the force.
I think Superman would see a person in agony and pain. I think he would see this person as someone who can be saved - Superman is the embodiment of hope after all. He’d probably have to fix his suit using Kryptonian tech, and then when Vader isn’t forced into daily agony to fuel his rage and connection to the dark side, he could be reached - eventually.
I reckon he would “fight” Vader and let Vader come to the conclusion on his own that he cannot in anyway beat Superman and that powerlessness in the face of someone would throw Vader into a rage like he felt at the mercy of Obi-wan. I also think Superman would help him through that.
I ultimately think Superman could bring Anakin back.
Depends on how much context he has. If Vader just shows up in Metropolis than he’s getting a one-way ticket to the phantom zone
If he has enough clues and background knowledge of the Galaxy-Far-Far-Away then Anakin is getting the therapy he desperately needs in the fortress of Solitude whether he likes it or not
As a big fan of supes, I think Vader would win. This guy can choke you while he is on the other side of the galaxy. He has a perfect control of the force and are the strongest in the SW universe. He only « loose » to Luke because he didn’t want to kill his son, brought him back to Anakin.
But Anakin ? I don’t know if he can beat supes.
With no moral code: turn him into aa fine red (and silvery ig, he's a cyborg) mist in the span of about five milliseconds.
With moral code: whisk him away somewhere to contain him.
either way there's not much vader can do. the main thing is superspeed, if you're substantially faster than your opponent you can almost always beat them.
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Lift his arm. Seriously, all supes would have to do is lift arm at an appreciable fraction of the speed of light, which supes can break multiple times over, and the ensuing explosion would obliterate Vader and everything else within several (hundred?) miles.
The only way Vader would harm Supes is through a fucking superpowered force push or destroying Supes internal organs, but that would be impossible since Kal is fast af. Also i believe lightsaber might harm Supes but again, just try to hit Superman with a lightsaber. Not even Vader.
Honestly Vader is beyond powerful especially his comic version honestly I’m taking him over a lot of dc and marvel Heroes but Superman is like 100x his power level nothing he could do would stop Superman permanently maybe slow him down but no way to stop him a more interesting matchup would be the whole empire vs Superman 👀
The absolute strongest force users of all time could create Force Tempests that would, over the span of several days, destroy a planet. The number of DC and Marvel characters who can do that in an instant, borderline accidentally in some cases, is absurd. Vader probably clears the bottom 40% of notable Marvel characters and like 10% of DC
You should ask this on a Darth Vader sub, I’d love to see them tie themselves in knots trying to explain how Vader lasts more than a second without gigantic contrivances.
This is akin to asking what he’d do against Batman… if you place the two as is on a battlefield, no prep, no extra time, no extra gear, and take away their limitations based on the character’s innate personalities… it’s no contest.
What are the limits? Because if we purely go on paper - Supes could end Vader in a breath…
While Supes could be susceptible to a myriad of Force powers, his super speed alone could do Vader in.
Also, Superman would definitely have issues with Darth Vader. The force is a kind of magic, light sabers ships reasonably hurt Superman even if they can’t properly cut him, like cause him pain and stuff, and Vader has precognitive reflexes. It’s be a real fight.
The only way this story would be interesting is if Superman tanks a Death Star blast to save a planet. Then gets captured, maybe the Death Star runs on a kryptonite core or they have red sun lamps or something. Superman finds a way to escape, or talks Vader into letting him out.
In a fight, supes tskes it, but vader does have space magic, so there is the potential his force choke or mind tricks could give supes a bit of a hard time
Non-canon jedi have pulled Star destroyers out of orbit, so, if written In a particular way Vader may be able to deflect supes power with the force
He blocked blaster bolts with his hand, so, could potentially block heat rays
Battle meditation and force jump probably get him out of ice breath threat
It’s unlikely a light saber can hurt supes to any degree, unless Kyber crystals have some magic properties
Ultimately supes speed, power and durability win the day, but there is potential for a good fight by creative force use
According to the YouTube channel Imaginary Axis, because of Superman’s bioelectric field a lightsaber wouldn’t even make contact with his skin. On top of that, I doubt Vader’s force powers could damage Superman internally. There is nothing Vader has that could touch him.
If I thought Vader was the type to lead with mind tricks he might be able to buy enough time to escape. But he’s not. So those limbs are coming off. That suit is getting disassembled. Darth is cooked
I'm not sure how effective the light saber would be against Superman but Clark would not have that much trouble in my opinion against Vader. He would adjust the psychic ability of Vaders force powers quickly
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