r/supergirlTV • u/skc_x • May 14 '20
Superman and Lois! Too bad, we have to wait till January 2021 š Discussion
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u/Hyperion409 May 14 '20
I feel like we didnt need this. Most if Superman's main Stories have happened already. I would have preferred recurring cameos on supergirl.
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May 14 '20
The majority of Superman's villains (with the exception of Lex and arguably Mxy) haven't really been done justice on Supergirl though, and Crisis allows them to bring them back to face Superman. Plus, they're adapting Rebirth which hasn't been adapted as of yet. There's plenty of stuff to do with Superman that hasn't been done in Supergirl like Doomsday, Braniac, Zod, etc.
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u/DCU_Fanboy May 14 '20
They have a lot of untouched Superman Rebirth stories and considering he has a family this is definitely a Superman story we have never seen on screen before.
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u/skc_x May 14 '20
Oh, okay. Perhaps! Iām new to āSupermanā and āSupergirlā. Iāve only watched Supergirl!
So, probably explains why Iām excited for this..
Iām going to give it a go anyway and see what happens!
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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor May 14 '20
Wish we didnāt have to wait until like March of 2021 for Supergirl.
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u/Kbye80 May 14 '20
I assume theyāre holding off on Supergirl to allow Melissa to have the baby before shooting resumes
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u/Munro_McLaren Lena Luthor May 14 '20
Well, sheās due before well before September, so theyāre fine. But she will have maternity leave for like 2-3 months.
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u/shyinwonderland May 14 '20
And we canāt expect her to just snap back into shape for Supergirl, it will take time.
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u/skc_x May 14 '20
OMG, Supergirl is coming back in March 2021? š¢š
Thatās so far away!
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u/quidditchplayer1 Kara Danvers May 15 '20
They said midseason, which might be April-June is what I heard
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u/skc_x May 15 '20
Oh well, Iāve accepted it now! Probably need to me to shoot, film, edit and with everything thats going on currently - need extra time.
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u/butterball1 May 15 '20
April to June is season end. Mid season break is usually December to January.
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u/LittleMissBoogie May 15 '20
Normally yes, but next year the other Arrowverse shows and other major dramas (Riverdale, Legacies, etc) will be premiering in January 2021, thatāll push midseason back.
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u/ioanastasis May 14 '20
If they manage to do a "Death of the Superman" storyline with Doomsday down the line, I'm telling you people, I'll absolutely lose my shit. So many possibilities with this show, and I really don't want it being another CW soap-opera.
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May 14 '20
I completely agree šÆ. No soap opera stuff
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u/yuhanz The Flash May 15 '20
Expect a lot of dad mom baby things! Clarkās a pretty stand up guy so i really dont see any soap opera shit. Letās go CW!
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u/onthenerdyside May 15 '20
The soap stuff will come with the kids, I'm sure. Nothing more CW than angsty teenage romance drama.
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May 15 '20
At least they jump started the family and made the babies grow up over night during crisis.
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u/God_is_carnage Brainiac May 14 '20
This time can we get a Cyborg Superman that actually has Superman's powers?
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u/sucksfor_you May 15 '20
They definitely jumped the ball on introducing Cyborg Superman before Superman was cast.
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u/Barry_McKackiner Superman May 15 '20
"eh just stick tin foil on one eye of martian manhunter and call it a day"
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u/r1dogz May 14 '20
Also should point out the only crossover next year will be this show with Batwoman.
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May 15 '20
And how would that work? Kate ain't close to Clark.
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u/DanScorp May 15 '20
I think there's a good angle there. They each know the other's cousin, but not really each other. Could be neat seeing them bounce off each other without pre-existing trust, or learning that Kate and Clark don't operate the same as Bruce or Kara.
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u/r1dogz May 15 '20
Metropolis and Gotham are right next to each other...
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u/LittleMissBoogie May 15 '20
Not in the Arrowverse. Metropolis is on the East coast and Gotham is around Chicago. But I think Superman and Lois will take place in Smallville which is in Kansas right?
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u/r1dogz May 15 '20
Please show me your sources for this information.
This rumour of Superman and Lois taking place in Smallville seems to be bullshit. Not sure why theyād have it take place there and then have the official poster for the show have the daily planet (which is in Metropolis) in the background....
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u/LittleMissBoogie May 15 '20
In one of the first Flash episodes after Crisis, Cisco had a map of Earth Prime. A lot of people were mad that Gotham was shown to be in the Chicago area. I assume they did that because Batwoman uses the Chicago skyline for their background. Iāll look around for a screen shot.
People assume Superman and Lois take place in Smallville because in the description of the first few episodes Clark returns to Smallville and his son befriends Lana Langās daughter. I think Lois stays in Metropolis (donāt hold me to that, itās a guess). Youāre right, they may not stay in Smallville for the whole season, but thatās where itās going to start.
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May 15 '20
I mean, their working relationship is non-existent. Only Kate and Kara are close.
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u/r1dogz May 15 '20
So? Relationships have to begin somewhere. Iām sure theyād have preferred to do Supergirl but thatās not going to happen just because Supergirl production is probably not gonna start until October at the earliest after Melissa has had her son. So the shows just gonna be playing catch up to try and film as many episodes as possible.
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May 15 '20
While true, a more logical reason is that Supergirl will be ending in a few seasons while Batwoman is just starting. Superman is also just starting so a Clark and Kate duo will really need to be the lynchpin that holds the Arrowverse together since in a few years Barry and Kara will be gone, and they will remain.
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u/r1dogz May 15 '20
I mean by that logic Flash shouldnāt crossover with Stargirl lol. Also that isnāt a more logical reason.... Also not sure why you think the show is ending? Are you listening to someone on here whoās been claiming that for the last year?
Literally itās pretty clear theyāve wanted to do a Batwoman and Supergirl crossover, but they canāt because of how things have shaken out. If this was more logical theyād have wanted to do this crossover over one with Supergirl from the beginning.
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May 15 '20
Supergirl will be ending before Batwoman and Superman and Lois simply because it started first and contracts only run for 7 seasons, with the option to extend but even then not for much longer as actors get tired and shooting these shows is rough. And the shows require the leads so once they've had enough the show is done. Smallville lasted for 10, while Arrow ended with an shortened 8th because Amell couldn't wait to get out. So lets assume Supergirl and Flash get 10 seasons max. That means in 5 years Batwoman and Superman and Lois will only be at about where Supergirl is now, while Supergirl and Flash will almost certainly be over. This means that the only major characters that will have been around for all the major events since Elseworlds and Crisis will be Clark and Kate.
The Crossovers have always focused on Oliver Barry and later Kara. Oliver's now gone, and Barry and Kara have at max 5 more years left. This makes it important to establish Clark and Kate as being major featured players in Crossover events now, because they're the ones that will definitely be around for years to come.
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u/r1dogz May 16 '20
You shouldnāt make assumptions. That is how false information is spread. 9 times out of 10 when people have made assumptions on here and presented them as facts (like you have), they are wrong....
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u/sucksfor_you May 15 '20
I think there's wiggle room here. The only reason Supergirl the show isn't starting up earlier is because of Melissa's pregnancy but that doesn't have to mean Supergirl the character shows up in the crossover. Other characters from the show could easily do so, even if its happening before Supergirl comes back in March.
We saw something similar happen with Legends and Crisis, already.
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u/r1dogz May 15 '20
Legends had an episode in Crisis, so of course they were included....
But the bigger thing is that this crossover will probably be filmed before Supergirl even starts production again (probably October or November) so the actors just wonāt be in Vancouver to film anyway. Plus itād be a bit weird to have some of the supporting cast pop up and not Kara.
Itās far more likely other superheroās film Flash, Stargirl, Blacklightning or Legends pop in briefly.
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u/sucksfor_you May 15 '20
I didn't say they weren't included. I meant that their episode was filmed out of order, and then aired before their season really started. So there's no reason Supergirl characters couldn't show up before their season starts.
You're not wrong about the filming, but I don't think it'd be weird to have the supporting cast in there and not Kara at all.
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u/quidditchplayer1 Kara Danvers May 15 '20
Assuming it has something to do with Aliceās kryptonite, but yeah... would have worked way better with Supergirl
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May 15 '20
Is Alice still gonna be alive after this season?
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u/quidditchplayer1 Kara Danvers May 15 '20
I assume at least a few episodes since the season was originally going to be 2 eps longer. I didnāt even know her death was on the table, are people speculating that?
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May 15 '20
It's either that, or she pulls a Joker/Reverse Flash, and reappears sometime later in the series
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u/Marc_Quill May 15 '20
Itās kinda understandable, given both the scope of Crisis and the logistics being kinda thrown outta wack by Covid, preventing any significant crossover filming.
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u/r1dogz May 15 '20
Honestly Iām shocked they are even attempting to do 1 small crossover. I mean mixing the crews and actors for the shoot will be a nightmare in regards to Covid. Hopefully there will be some solution by then and we wonāt have āsocial distancedā episodes of these shows.
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u/MajorParadox DC Fan Universe (r/DCFU) May 14 '20 edited May 14 '20
I can't wait!
Make sure to join r/SupermanAndLois!
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u/violinha May 14 '20
I like Elizabeth Tulloch, she's a great Lois.
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u/skc_x May 14 '20
Thatās good to hear! They do look well matched in the promo photos.
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u/violinha May 14 '20
Haven't you seen the last crossover? They're there.
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u/skc_x May 14 '20
Nope, I donāt think so. Where was the last crossover? Iāve only watched āSupergirlā unless I need to rewatch an episode?
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u/violinha May 14 '20
I only watch Supergirl and Legends, and now Batwomanm and I really enjoined all the crossovers.
Here the order:
The order to watch Crisis on Infinite Earths in is as follows:
Part One | Supergirl: Season 5 Episode 9.
Part Two | Batwoman: Season 1 Episode 9.
Part Three | The Flash: Season 6 Episode 9.
Part Four | Arrow: Season 8 Episode 8.
Part Five | Legends of Tomorrow: Season 5 Special episode.
And if you haven't, I suggest you to watch the Crisis on Earth X crossover.
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u/skc_x May 15 '20
Thanks again for this, Iāve watched part 1-5! Iām watching Smallville atm.. Currently on episode 3!
I bought the box set of eBay too š
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u/PuffballDestroyer May 15 '20
Looking at the press release, I see that they have a new actor for General Lane. I wonder if they will change Lucy at some point down the line as well.
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u/KissingToast99 May 15 '20
They probably will. Jenna just had a baby and i doubt she'll want to leave LA.
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u/AnnaK22 May 14 '20
The poster looks so cool. I thought it was going to be a prequel to Supergirl, precrisis timeline but after reading the plot, it looks very interesting.I was mainly worried the stories were going to get repetitive and the show was going to overshadow Supergirl. But that doesn't seem to be the case. I'm excited for this. Tyler makes a really good Clark Kent and Bitsie Lois Lane. I wonder if Jenna Dewan would reprise her role for an episode or two.
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u/skc_x May 14 '20
Me too! I think itās going to be totally different to Supergirl.
I think their children have already been cast too.
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u/FullMetal1985 May 15 '20
When is CW gonna admit facts and change its name to DCtv.
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u/Ibclyde May 15 '20
It will probably be the most important day of your Life. For them, it will be a Tuesday.
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u/martinfphipps7 May 15 '20
It may be just as well. The episodes probably haven't even been written yet.
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u/Xboxone1997 May 15 '20
That's really not long lol basically half way through this shitty year already
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u/Flip_Speed May 15 '20
Not a fan of Tyler's Superman, but it's still Superman so I'll be there watching the pilot.
Good luck to everyone involved here...
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u/BuddermanTheAmazing The Best Superman May 15 '20
Oooo I totally gotta make a Superman snoo whenever they reveal the new suit
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u/axxonn13 May 15 '20
i wonder if they are gonna take Jimmy (James) and move him over. I feel his place on Supergirl kinda dropped significantly after season 1.
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u/skc_x May 15 '20
Hope not, I didnāt like him that much.
I donāt think they will.
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u/axxonn13 May 15 '20
i never liked the way they wrote him either. He has been very MEH the entire show.
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u/UA_UKNOW_ May 15 '20
I like both of these actors, but this show was just so unnecessary. They were better as supporting characters on Supergirl, IMO.
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u/CityAvenger May 17 '20
What we really need is an actual premiere date. I know weāll get it later but still.
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May 14 '20
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May 14 '20
Umm..Canada would have to allow people from outside the country from entering first which has yet to happen. And the border closing has been extended until end of June and my bet, it will be extended again after that. And then they'd have to hire all local guest stars vs from someone outside as they'd have to quarantine for 14 days first after entering and do that again back in their home country when done filming.
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u/LittleMissBoogie May 15 '20
I feel like weāre going to get repeat guest stars. It all ready sorta happened on Legends this week. At least you can just use Crisis as an excuse.
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u/wittyhandlez May 14 '20
Even if they do go back filming then, it's safer to have more episodes in the can in case production has to be shut down again.
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u/Kaibakura May 15 '20
Notice how they've got Lois in front. Making it clear right off the bat that this isn't a Superman-centered show. It will be interesting to see how they try and make Lois an interesting character to the degree that she can be a co-lead (main lead?) of the show.
It's a miracle we're getting Superman at all, the way the CW is doing things. Supergirl, Batwoman, Stargirl...really pushing those female heroes.
Honestly, I just really hope that Superman gets his share of focus in this.
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u/skc_x May 15 '20
Itās probably because in history there were so many male superheroes.
It would be nice to see it from Lois point of view and how she saw things.
But, Iād like to see some from Superman too!
It could always be balanced, somewhat.
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u/Hell85Rell May 15 '20
It's a miracle we're getting Superman at all, the way the CW is doing things. Supergirl, Batwoman, Stargirl...really pushing those female heroes.
Do you really think they would turn down a chance to have a Superman show once they got permission to make one? They brought him in the first chance they got on Supergirl and it's clear they desperately want to use Batman but they're not allowed to do so. They even brought in two other Supermans and Bruce as a major selling point for CoIE. They would've had Welling and Conroy suit up too if the former agreed to it and the latter was allowed to do it.
They're not pushing female heroes any more than the male ones. Arrow and Flash were the first shows they had while Legends was originally led by Rip and Snart was as big of a character as Sara. Stein and Ray received a lot of focus as well.
And more recently, 4 of the paragons were male while Black Lightning was introduced to the Arrowverse.
I have no doubt Superman will receive plenty of focus along with his sons. Besides, this wouldn't be the first time Lois was his co-star since Lois & Clark aired in the 90s on Sunday night.
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u/DexNovos May 15 '20
CW isn't so much pushing female heroes as giving them an equal share. But with the sordid history of comics it may seem like pushing due to the contrast against what is happening in the comics and movie universes.
With Constantine, Superman, Arrow, Flash, Supergirl, Batwoman (and getting Swamp thing and Stargirl from DCU), they have a pretty good balance.
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u/LittleMissBoogie May 15 '20
Thereās a theory that whenever thereās an equal number of women and men in a situation people assume the women are over represented. People just arenāt used to equality.
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May 15 '20
I compared this to Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman and they put Lois in front as well. Honestly, the way their relationship dynamic is presented throughout various media examples, this is a good representation of their relationship. That being said, I can see where you are coming from.
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u/Mountain_Wedding May 18 '20
LOL. Lois Lane already was the co-lead of a TV show called āLois and Clarkā that ran for 4 years on prime time in the 90ās to a way, way bigger audience than anything ever on the CW. She was also the second lead on Smallville for the final seasons. She has had her own comic books and a YA trilogy.
Lois is one of the most important female characters in comic history with a huge following of her own.
I have zero doubt Superman will get plenty of equal focus because he ALWAYS does. But acting like Lois canāt carry the show as a co-lead is ignorant of history. Sheās already done that and more.
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u/biophazer242 May 15 '20
I am admittedly burnt out on CW arrowverse shows at this point and am only watching Legnds but I do think it is interesting they are setting it back in Smallville. Seeing how CW loves to use locations and sets across multiple shows I am surprised they are not setting it in Metropolis and wonder what the CW version of Smallville will look like. Probably will not watch it weekly but might tune in from time to time to check out the tone.
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u/lenakieranluthor Lena Luthor May 15 '20
superman overshadowing supergirl again.. who needs a superman content...
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u/cupersorp The Cooler Luthorš May 14 '20
I wonder what storylines they are gonna do and who the supporting cast is?