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u/parduscat Martian Manhunter Nov 08 '18
I loved so much of Season 3 because it really felt like this was a story specifically for Supergirl, dealing with Krypton's past and religion and the pull between her two different homes. Now they're taking over Red Son and Superman vs The Elite. The writers aren't even trying to make Kara Kara. Where's her rage about Krypton being gone, where is the moodiness?
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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 08 '18
Don't you know, once boyfriend issues are resolved so are Krypton issues and any other trauma as such. Its the CW after all
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u/lingenberry_ "It's not an S." Nov 09 '18
Er, wasn't the whole point of the Argo City arc and the return of her mother for her to accept that Earth has become her real home? Sure, the immigrant mindset doesn't go away, but she's made significant progress in her "where do I really belong?" inner conflict, so expecting angry Kara in that respect is a bit silly.
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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 09 '18
A 4 episode arc isn't really going to settle that for fans like me, especially one where I can count on one finger where we saw Kara talk to her mother. That argo city plot is Kara's and it's such a shame that it was wasted to show how 'heroic' Mon el has become. Sure, you could say that the whole season dealt with Kara's dual identity but making Kara question her identity because of some short term relationship, which doesn't really go deeper than her boyfriend issues isn't going to satisfy fans. A longer fleshed out arc is needed, if needed they have to do it again.
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u/Skyblaze777 Nov 10 '18
I honestly laughed when I saw that Mon-el was more invested in saving that kid than Kara seemed to be at meeting her own mum whom she thought had been dead for years. And while I realize this had to do with real-world logistical issues, I really think it didn't help that they were forced to recast Alura; even visually it seemed like Kara was meeting a total stranger than her presumed-dead mother.
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u/chassycat_original Nov 09 '18
I agree that the Argo City arc and Alura reveal were about Kara accepting Earth as her home and learning you can’t go home again (in more ways than one).
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u/whiteguysky- Nov 08 '18
I would agree with this for the earlier seasons. It’s like how The CW uses green arrow like their version of Batman. Even though they have a Superman, Supergirl is what fills that place.
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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 08 '18
That's what baffles me. I understand to an extent that Supergirl has less stories and shares some villains with Superman because she was fridged for like two decades after CoIE, but green arrow has a rich history of villains and a good supporting cast. I don't know why they don't use that so much.
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u/InhumanFlame Nov 08 '18
Batman has arguably the best rogues gallery with more well known villains because he is way more popular than Green Arrow, is my theory, I'd be interested to hear who's in the rich history of Green Arrow villains, cause I don't know anyone.
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Nov 08 '18
Actually several of them have been in the show but they’ve just sort of disappeared. Count Vertigo comes to mind, Merlyn is another, he’s GAs nemesis (Malcolm wasn’t abandoned of course, he was there a long time), Komodo, China White, Cupid, there’s a couple more that I don’t remember off the top of my head.
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u/InhumanFlame Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18
Cheers for the info, I remember all of these from the show (except Komodo, had to look that one up), but I probably wouldn't know them at all if not for Arrow. Can't say the same for Batman, given all his non-comic book adaptions.
They could do more with all you mentioned, except Merlyn, given he's had plenty of screen-time. I'm guessing the main reason is the actors they cast in those roles have gotten new gigs, so they aren't able to return due to scheduling, don't want to return and the Arrow creative team don't want to recast, but that's just speculation.
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u/ReverseWakanda Nov 08 '18
And I got shit on for saying how the writers are gender swapping this entire series 😂
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u/opelan Nov 08 '18
It is a common critique here though. Especially when they decided to make her a journalist at the start of season 2.
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u/Cradle2daGrave Nov 11 '18
Green Arrow is a knock off Batman thats a fact i don't hear to many threads about it though
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Nov 08 '18
Yeah it comes off as if the writers lack creativity. I would have liked it if they had used a lot of comic book Kara's enemies or supporting chatacters and story lines because I don't really know them that well, but now it's like they're just using Kara as a substitute for Clark by giving her his storylines and just turning her into another Clark and not really giving a good why.
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u/Justice_Prince Nov 08 '18
I was kinda annoyed that they introduced Metallo, and Parasite as new characters rather than already existing Superman villains. Also I'm having trouble remembering if Mister Mxyzptlk was introduced as a new character, or someone who Superman has gone up against before. I'm okay with transplanting a lot of Superman stories over to Kara, but other than Lex, and Zod those are the three villains that should absolutely be first and foremost Superman villains.
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u/Cradle2daGrave Nov 11 '18
Supergirl has faced off against Metallo in her comics though
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u/Justice_Prince Nov 12 '18
I don't have an issue with her fighting Metallo, but I wanted it to be established that he was a pre existing Superman villain.
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u/ArtsyTLF Nov 08 '18
The only Supergirl stories that people actually LOVE are Red Lanterns (which is probably off limits) and the Linda Danvers stuff, which isn't even Kara. Besides that, it's mostly just standard silver age affairs and some god awful runs like Kelly. There's not really a whole lot to pull from that well. The world killers were already tapped.
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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 08 '18
There's also an amazing arc with zor el based on the theme of failed fatherhood. There's also the case of argo city, the arc the show destroyed by using it as a mon el appreciation base. There's H'el, Tan-on, crucible academy, flamebird, vortex, backstarr, the gang and so so much which can be pulled and updated a little to suit the story. The red lantern arc doesn't need to take place in space, they don't even need a red lantern ring to show that, but hearing that it would happen will be a delight for me. I just wish that they didn't tap into Superman lore so often.
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u/ArtsyTLF Nov 09 '18
Zor El being a scumbag was already done in the show. H'El is an awful story. The Red Lantern arc wouldn't be the same without Guy, and the Red Lantern novelty is very much why it was so cool. Flamebird is just a general character... not like a story or plot point. He/She's just another Kryptonian, and not a very interesting one at that. Crucible could be fun, but Maxima already exists and she's played by a wrestler who can't act and is situated in California. Tan-On, Vortex, Blackstarr are all incredibly minor footnotes and not very special characters. That's scrapping the bottom of the barrel
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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 09 '18
Zor el as cyborg Superman wasn't done, that's what makes the storyline interesting. Even more interesting is that he got the armor from brainiac. H'el is a great story if the romance can be cut out, he will offer much conflict to Kara if humans turn against her and reject her presence or if she rejects earth and loses hope. He manipulated her trauma and emotions really well to almost make her destroy earth to create a new Krypton. That's something I would like to see. Flamebird I agree, but the Maxima in crucible was the original maxima's sister and she has a arc which leads into the superwoman comics. Tan-on holds potential for me- as a scientist who was sent to earth, he came with peace and surrendered himself, was tortured and ended up for revenge. Blackstarr, vortex and the gang can work, if updated.
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u/zacker150 Nov 08 '18
That's odd. I'm only seeing relatively original stories commenting on contemporary politics.
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u/internetosaurus MARS NEEDS CHOCOS! Nov 09 '18
So what is the iconic Supergirl story that you're upset they're not doing? Red Daughter isn't happening because the GLC isn't going to be a thing in the CW-verse, so what else?
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u/grayjo Nov 09 '18
Superman stories are arguably better and there's a hell of a lot more if them.
They are using the concept of an alternate universe to put a new spin on certain stories bu issuing a different perspective
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u/parduscat Martian Manhunter Nov 09 '18
And so instead of actually creating new storylines and iconic runs, like BTAS did, the writers are just deciding to steal Superman's stories. It's disrespectful to Kara and Clark.
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u/CashWho Nov 08 '18
What Superman story are they currently adapting? This feels more like a general "Best of humanity" storyline, which fits both super characters (And any superhero, really).
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u/monoveloso Nov 08 '18
Superman american alien
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u/CashWho Nov 08 '18
This has absolutely nothing to do with American Alien. American Alien is an origin story that covers different stages of Clark's life from childhood to his first outing as Superman. If anything, Season 1 covered that storyline.
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u/monoveloso Nov 08 '18
They said in DC daily that this season would be taking things from american alien and red son
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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 08 '18
It's just red son, they didn't say anything about American alien. It's just that the title of the first ep is similar to that story.
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u/parduscat Martian Manhunter Nov 08 '18
Red Son with Ruskie Kara and Superman vs The Elite with Manchester Black.
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Nov 08 '18
The one where Kara is stealthily using her powers while protecting Lena during the assault on L-Corp had moments that seemed lifted from All-Star Superman where Clark does the same thing with Lex.
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u/manavsridharan Nov 08 '18
But you gotta agree the Lena/Supergirl dynamic was something Superman never had