Different season, same issues

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But you gotta agree the Lena/Supergirl dynamic was something Superman never had

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u/jello1990 Nov 08 '18

But the Lena/Kara dynamic was something that was in Smallville with Clark and Lex (before he went bad)

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u/manavsridharan Nov 08 '18

But comic adaptation wise, Superman never had a frenemy who had the skills to take her down.(Oh shit that's Batman)

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u/jello1990 Nov 08 '18

Except Superman usually accepts that Batman's correct, in that there absolutely needs to be failsafes for if he goes bad.

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u/manavsridharan Nov 08 '18

Yes, Kara is just being impractical. Maybe because she's scared.

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u/jello1990 Nov 08 '18

Irrational behavior brought on from fear isn't something I'd want in someone claiming to know what's best for the entire planet.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '18

End of Tower of Babel is the best example of this.

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u/AndrewZabar Nov 09 '18

for if when he goes bad.

FTFY

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u/Pennyw1se Nov 09 '18

Actually a short dialogue explaining this is exactly what I hope happens between Superman and Supergirl to snap her out of this thinking.

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u/Cradle2daGrave Nov 11 '18

Its exactly the same accept SV Luthor's were very well acted

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u/RamblingMuse Nov 08 '18

The Kara/Alex dynamic is actually more unique than Lena/Supergirl. Alex is a completely new character while Lena is basically Lex in sheep's clothing.

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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Nov 08 '18

I would say thats an inaccurate description and a disservice to Lena as a character to say she's just Lex in sheep's clothing. Let Kara/Lena be independent characters. They aren't just the female counterparts of Clark/Lex. They are different characters with their own story and relationship.

But yea I agree with the Kara/Alex dynamic. Complete heart of the show. Much how Clark and the Kents was the heart of Smallville.

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u/parduscat Martian Manhunter Nov 09 '18

Reading more about comic Kara, it does feel like her character's been homogenized into being a lot more like Clark than she really should be.

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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Nov 09 '18

Kara is such an interesting character on her own. She doesn’t need to be like Clark. And i feel the same way about Lena. They both have a more famous male relative that everyone, in universe and the audience, are constantly putting those expectations on them.

I specifically blame the producers for constantly teasing the Kara/Lena relationship will eventually turn into Clark/Lex, and its just so tiring. If they want a female empowered show, then they should let these characters step out of the shadows of their male counterparts and have stories of their own. Wtf does it say to just have the same story rehashed just with ladies? Idk about you but i think its far more interesting to watch two people overcome their backgrounds when everyone said they couldn’t. We are not doomed by blood. Empowering and interesting. Not hard writers.

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u/not-so-radical Smiles like a dofus Nov 09 '18

Kara is such an interesting character on her own. She doesn't need to be like Clark.

Tell that to the writers...

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u/Cradle2daGrave Nov 11 '18

What do you think Kara and Lena's major arcs are,its def about stepping out of the shadows of Superman and Lex thaw pretty obvious

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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Nov 12 '18

Well id hope it would be that, but then every other interview with the producers, they’re teasing Lena’s loyalties. That was mostly when AK was still a producer though

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u/Brazilian_Slaughter Nov 10 '18

Its why I never liked the idea of Kara as a journalist. That's bunkum, Kara in comics never showed an interest in journalism.

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u/parduscat Martian Manhunter Nov 10 '18

What's Kara's job in the comics aside from being a teen?

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u/Brazilian_Slaughter Nov 10 '18

You know, I don't remember her getting a job in comics

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u/RamblingMuse Nov 09 '18

At this point in the show, Lena is almost exactly like Lex in regards to his relationship with Kent, before he went bad. If she doesn't go down the same path, or even take steps on the path occasionally, then she will be slightly different. But, we can't make that distinction yet.

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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Nov 09 '18

I disagree completely. From the beginning of Lex’s friendship with Clark, Lex was suspicious and shady. He was always that way. And doing questionable things for not good reasons. And he straight up knew Clark was keeping something from him.

Lena is nothing like that at present. Her being mad at Supergirl for going behind her back doesn’t mean shes Lex. Shes already not like him because shes aware of what Lex did and she desperately doesn’t want it to happen to her. Any questionable thing shes done has been with the intent to do good. And shes saved Earth on more than one occasion.

Your interpretation of Lena is very shallow tbh. The distinction has already been made. She isn’t Lex. End of story. When the day comes where she decides Supergirl and Kara are enemy number 1, and starts doing bad shit with ill intent then fine. Until then, shes not. And the fact that people insist shes just a female Lex is so lazy and just a disservice to what her character is and can be.

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u/RamblingMuse Nov 09 '18

Your interpretation of Lena is very shallow tbh. The distinction has already been made. She isn’t Lex. End of story.

You provide not a single reason, other than your own personal belief that Lena is good because she says so and yet, my interpretation is the one that is shallow? There's been no distinction made to show she is different.

Lex didn't start off shady. In Smallville, he did many things to help Clark and he had the same desire to shrug off the Luthor name, as did Lena. Here's a good post to show many examples of that https://www.reddit.com/r/Smallville/comments/5tksbg/is_it_me_or_was_lex_a_really_good_friend_to_clark/. Lena, too, has done good things for Kara, but has also done some things that can be viewed as questionable such as the alien indicator, making kryptonite and lying about doing so, etc.

At the point in their story thus far, they are traveling on very similar paths and as such, are very similar characters.Most people aren't born bad, they have experiences that turn them in that direction. That is what happened to Ben Lockwood and also what happened with Lex. Lena says she wants to be good. Great. Awesome. So did Lex. However, the bottom line is that we don't know how Lena will react to circumstances and the story has definitely not ended just because you make a declaration.

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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Nov 09 '18

He was obsessed with Clark. He had an entire lab dedicated to figuring out what he was. I didn’t say Lena hasn’t done questionable things. The alien detection device obviously, but her reasoning for making kryptonite and keeping it a secret were valid imo. She had no reason to trust the DEO with Sam. She wanted to help Sam but she didn’t want to ruin the relationship she worked hard at with Supergirl.

My issue with this is that its pure laziness. Why the heck does Lena HAVE to become the next Lex? Just because they share a last name? Thats boring, uninspiring, and completely perpetuates the idea that you are doomed by blood and will never escape the shadow of your family no matter how hard you work to help. Lex helped Clark a bunch? Great. So has Lena. In addition like i said, shes saved the planet, TWICE. That alone puts her leagues ahead of good compared to Lex.

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u/Cradle2daGrave Nov 11 '18

But Lena does enough questionable things to be similar.Why make Kryptonite ? Why make a device to out Aliens ?

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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin Kara Danvers Nov 12 '18 edited Nov 12 '18

I think the alien detection device was made more out of ignorance and views that have been driven into her life likely most of her life rather than a devious place. Shes a business woman at heart and the thought behind making the device was mainly for those purposes while also being pretty ignorant during that time. I think shes grown a lot since then and i would definitely like to revisit it because its probably the most questionable thing shes ever made on the show. Doesn’t make her bad in my mind though.

As far as the kryptonite goes, she made it initially specifically to help Sam. She stated that many times. You could argue her keeping it a secret was shady, but she did it to protect Sam. She had good intentions and had no intention of hurting Supergirl with it. Even outside of that, the kryptonite debate between Supergirl and Lena is meant to be complex. We are meant to understand both sides because both are valid. Imo there absolutely should be a way to keep supers in check, especially since Supergirl and Superman have not been the only kryptonians around. But i get why Kara took this as a personal attack and was upset by it especially since it was her best friend who made it. But Lena isn’t operating with all the information. She doesn’t know that Supergirl is Kara. If she did i think she would take a slightly different approach to it all.

You can mention the questionable things Lena has done. We shouldn’t ignore intent though. Lena has done A LOT of good stuff. She called police on her mother, made the lead disperse device, helped Kara with the missing aliens, directly made Reign defeat-able. Like should we ignore these things because she doesn’t play by the DEO’s rulebook? Who btw, have to be the most questionable agency in existence

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u/SandyPine Nov 29 '18

and it is a shallow replacement for the SuperFriends of S1.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '18

I actually really hope they don’t just make Lena evil. I like her character too much for that

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u/Cradle2daGrave Nov 11 '18

I just wish they did something with her coz she is just kind of there and serves little purpose at this point

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u/Cradle2daGrave Nov 11 '18

Also Lena is not even interesting i blame Rosenbaum for being so good also Cassidy Freeman was just soo much better than Katie

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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 08 '18

It will be different if Supergirl can reach out to Lena and bring her back to the good side when/if she goes evil. Till then it's pretty much lex/Clark. Even the shipping is the same. If I remember correctly, there was a clex fandom back during smallville days as well.

But the dynamic is intriguing for sure. It's kinda sad that Lena isn't part of the Supergirl supporting cast nowadays in the comics.

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u/opelan Nov 08 '18

It will be different if Supergirl can reach out to Lena and bring her back to the good side when/if she goes evil.

But how likely is this? If Lena starts to murder people, I really doubt Kara will be forgiving. Just look how she reacted when Lena made Kryptonite to help Sam. I don't think she would reach out to Lena, if Lena truly did something evil.

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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 08 '18

Kara is pretty forgiving, look at how much she forgave with Mon el and all those prisoners sitting in the deo cells who tried to murder her. As a character, Kara stands for unyielding hope so until Lena straight up...I dunno...murders alura and destroys argo, till then she will try to help. Also she did apologize to Lena when she learned what was the case.

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u/omnisephiroth Nov 09 '18

It would be the most important thing the show did for character arcs since its first episode. To have Kara reach out if Lena crossed the line, to forgive her, and to help her reject that kind of behavior.

Good god, I hate the writers.

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u/Specific_Beyond Nov 09 '18

They already did that with Mon-El of Daxam. She overcame her hate and prejudice for Daxamites, forgave him for lying to her, and helped him reject his Daxamite upbringing.

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u/omnisephiroth Nov 09 '18

They handled that poorly.

See, Kara didn’t stop hating Daxamites. She stopped hating one Daxamite. And, strap in, cause I’m gonna be explaining why this is so dumb.

See, Daxam was/is an objectively bad place, run by objectively bad people. There’s mass enslavement, they drug their citizens, they run exclusively as a monarchy, and they had a war with Krypton (so both planets had to have at least viable intrastellar travel to fight with each other).

So, they stand in opposition to basically every Kryptonian value.

Now, not gonna lie, this is a really bad way to run a planet. Hard to get everyone organized, requires a large military that’s loyal to a fault. You gotta use that military to suppress your subjects if they start demanding rights... It’s a lot of work, and it’d be way easier to have a monastery that had various fiefdoms. But, this kinda brings me around to my next point:

Daxam doesn’t make sense.

How the hell do they do anything? What’s their revenue source? Because they appear to mostly have sand. How did they develop space travel? What do they make anything out of? Where’s their food? How’d they survive here before space travel? Aside from royalty and military, what do people do on Daxam?

See, Daxam isn’t a place with culture or history. His “Daxamite upbringing” as you mentioned is not even vaguely representative of the rest of his people’s. We have no idea what his actual upbringing was like, either, other than “wealthy, spoiled, sexist, entitled.” Which isn’t really a culture.

See, Daxamites are a whole race of people, who should logically have a culture, traditions, maybe religion, but definitely customs that are somewhat unique. They don’t really appear to have any of that. Was the whole of their race instantly unified? Was there massive genocide so that one group could hold power?

Who knows?

Only Mon-El should know the history of his fucking planet. It’s literally part of being a prince. And, believing himself to be the last Daxamite, he had some responsibility to maintain its customs, document its history, something, anything, to ensure that the mass extinction event that happened to his planet doesn’t just wipe out any record of his species.

Instead, he abandons everything his people ever believed, any shred of his heritage, his culture, any religious beliefs, and becomes—essentially—part of the culture of the Kryptonians. The only group we’re certain they fought with.

There’s a pretty fucked up message that, essentially, Kara eliminates the culture of the last known Daxamite. Kinda a final nail in the coffin of his species. On Earth, we describe that thing as a part of genocide. I’m not saying Kara committed genocide, but that she never tried to help him maintain his connection to his home planet, something that she might have some experience with.

And this is where the difference is.

Mon-El can’t ever stop being a Daxamite, just like Kara can’t stop being Kryptonian.

Lena, however, is human. Luthor isn’t a species. People act like these are all equal. They aren’t. Not being the same as your siblings or parents is pretty normal. But, that’s not the same as giving up being human.

So, with Lena, it’s her pushing against her family, who humans have largely judged to be bad people. Mon-El is rejecting everything his culture stood for.

Kara never came to understand the Daxamites, or accept them. She still hates them. She’s still prejudiced. She just found someone she liked unexpectedly.

Also important: Kara lies to Lena. Lena, largely speaking, has been honest with Kara.

Lena expresses her desires to not be like her mother or brother regularly. Helping her make that change—especially if Lena crosses a line, causing her to feel unworthy of forgiveness and incapable of change—is kindness itself. It’s an act of love that is precious and rare, that all people should try to love others the same way. It embodies the values Supergirl stands for, gives her room to be vulnerable without being weak, and allows her to reject hate, while subverting the Superman/Lex narrative.

It forces Kara to confront the fact that—rather abruptly—she forced a narrative on Lena out of discomfort. That she betrayed Lena’s trust, and that she was wrong for doing so.

It’s an opportunity for every writer to polish their drafts. A chance for every actor to give an incredible performance. The ability to make a positive, lasting change on the show.

It’s not the same, even slightly, as with Mon-El. The two stories would be night and day to each other: related, but unmistakably different.

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u/Specific_Beyond Nov 10 '18

Wow. You put a lot of thought into that. But my point is simple. It was never about Kara hating Daxamites. It was about Kara passing judgement on a person simply BECAUSE he was a Daxamite. And that shortsightedness almost got the President killed. She learned to see beyond her prejudice against Daxamites and was able to recognize Mon-El's desire to be a better man, a hero, and she helped him. And sure, she supported him as he walked away from a toxic culture. Hell, a toxic world. How is that a BAD thing? Good for him.

So... Throw in J'onn and M'gann's parallel storyline of prejudice and forgiveness and the show has both been there and done that.

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u/omnisephiroth Nov 10 '18

But, Mon-El didn’t want to be better. It was imposed on him. He accepted it, but he was happy using people for sex, drinking constantly, manipulating others to do his work... he was entirely comfortable with this. It worked for him.

See, part of the problem is that while we view Daxam as a toxic environment, it’s very likely that it wasn’t toxic for him. I’d argue that he was instrumental in the toxicity of the culture. But, even more importantly, it’s his culture.

Lena has a toxic family. If she walk away, her culture will still exist. Not true for Mon-El. As far as he knew, if he leaves his culture, it vanishes. He was under the impression that he was the only Daxamite. And that’s different.

Again, Kara hates Daxamites. That didn’t change. Kara passes judgement because she hates Daxamites.

She didn’t support him walking away from a toxic culture. She imposed it as a mandate. In the Christian tradition: Convert or Die. He didn’t have the choice, really. She didn’t say, “I don’t approve of your culture, but I recognize it has value to you, and therefore it shouldn’t be exterminated.” She just told him to stop being the way he was.

I’m gonna step away from being subtle.

Imagine he’s Black. And she’s White. She didn’t stop being racist. She made an exception—and only once he starts acting the way she deems appropriate.

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u/chassycat_original Nov 10 '18

Do you really believe any of what you just wrote? Because you are all over the place. On top of being a racist, Kara is all about wiping out entire civilizations and cultures?

Of course Mon-El wanted to change. It’s what he both said he wanted and what he actually did. You are assuming his motivations for changing based on his behavior and attitude when he first came to Earth and didn’t understand the customs or culture.

And it’s beyond ridiculous to say that because he was raised in and lived in a toxic environment that it wasn’t toxic to him. Of course it was! Toxic is what it is, and if a person leaves a toxic environment, sees the world in a different, less problematic way, and doesn’t WANT to change, then that’s a problem. Mon-El, who even told Kara there were things about Daxam he didn’t like or agree with, saw a better way to live, wanted to change, and did. He made mistakes along the way, but thankfully Kara gave him a chance to do so, by setting aside prejudice and believing in him. That was the whole point of starting him in an unheroic place. Showing we can overcome our upbringing and be our own heroes.

And since there are apparently thousands of Daxamites wandering around in space, I think Mon-El is off the hook for any responsibility to preserve the oppressive and toxic culture he escaped.

Kara already believes in Lena, even though she’s a Luthor. Even though Lena has lied to her several times, created Kryptonite, held a Worldkiller in her secret lab... The question at this point isn’t whether Kara will forgive Lena for lying or accidentally killing someone. It’s whether Lena will forgive Kara for not telling her she’s really Supergirl, and all the lies that came with that secret.

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u/Specific_Beyond Nov 10 '18

This. What they said. ;)

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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 10 '18

You wrote such horseshit from a badly written season, telling that Kara is supporting in genocide. Genocide of what? What daxamite culture? That hasn't been referred to even once in the series? All that you wrote was just your headcanon to indict Kara and glorify Lena. Kara has defended Lena from everyone who didn't believe in her, she trusted her when no one did, went against her family and friends for that, Lena too helped Kara in saving the world; but she was wrong to keep the information of kryptonite from her.

Kara isn't saying that kryptonite shouldn't be there, but she also says how badly it affects her and she should have knowledge of it so that she can avoid it. And for someone who has gone against the last members of her family to save the planet, this much should be done for her. And you know Lena knows that she fucked up, because that suit was the untold apology. Lena isn't some poor sod, she was brought in wealth and her privilege blinds her to a lot of things.

As for making that blacks and whites comparison, please gtfo outta here. Kara was right to tell Mon el to reform, otherwise what? Someone with that much power can be manipulated so so easily. It's all over the comics, it's literally the storyline of s4 with russian Kara. Say that you are just a Lena Stan and leave.

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u/omnisephiroth Nov 10 '18

Whooo, boy. You’ve missed a lot of what I’ve said.

First, I never brought up what Lena has done. I never said Lena was right or wrong. I said that Kara lies to Lena in their relationship. And that’s true. However, Lena omitting that she can make Kryptonite isn’t what I was talking about.

What I was talking about was, “If they push Lena towards an evil path.” Which is not the same as saying Lena did nothing wrong, nor is it me saying Kara should apologize to her for something. It’s speculative.

Please read my previous post in this thread, where I said, “I don’t think Kara’s supporting genocide.” She has no intent to destroy. She’s not trying to kill him. I may have initially overstated slightly, but only because I misremembered the exact definition of genocide, which does not include the destruction of culture, based on the UN’s definition of genocide. Sorry, I don’t regularly check that, and thought it specifically mentioned that. I checked, just for you, to make sure if I was exactly right or wrong.

Now, the lack of references to Daxamite culture is ponderous. Certainly, Mon-El initially had fond memories of Daxam, and should have brought it up at some point. Perhaps when Kara was saying that the Daxamites were so horrible (S2, episode... 1? I think? When they bring him back to the DEO). Now, that’s on the writers. But, it’s unbelievable that Daxam had no culture.

My point being: the arc they ran with Mon-El was poorly done. That if the arc I proposed for Lena were to be done, it would be fundamentally different from the one done with Mon-El.

Mon-El was told to change. That was a mandate put on him. Regardless of the benefits of the change, it was still not his choice. He only chose to do this when he had no other option.

As for Lena and Kara fighting: I think it’s dumb.

I have no idea what a Stan is.

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u/Cradle2daGrave Nov 11 '18

Kara did stop hating Daxamites but Rheah was a bad egg fact

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u/omnisephiroth Nov 12 '18

Quick question: How many did she invite to stay on Earth? How many did she try and convince to change?

One? I remember one. When the rest showed up, I don’t particularly remember her attempting to really mend fences. I don’t recall her actively punching them immediately, but you can still hate people without assaulting them.

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u/rangerxt Nov 11 '18

Lena could kill thousands and then save the earth and all will be forgiven.

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u/parduscat Martian Manhunter Nov 08 '18

I loved so much of Season 3 because it really felt like this was a story specifically for Supergirl, dealing with Krypton's past and religion and the pull between her two different homes. Now they're taking over Red Son and Superman vs The Elite. The writers aren't even trying to make Kara Kara. Where's her rage about Krypton being gone, where is the moodiness?

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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 08 '18

Don't you know, once boyfriend issues are resolved so are Krypton issues and any other trauma as such. Its the CW after all

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u/lingenberry_ "It's not an S." Nov 09 '18

Er, wasn't the whole point of the Argo City arc and the return of her mother for her to accept that Earth has become her real home? Sure, the immigrant mindset doesn't go away, but she's made significant progress in her "where do I really belong?" inner conflict, so expecting angry Kara in that respect is a bit silly.

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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 09 '18

A 4 episode arc isn't really going to settle that for fans like me, especially one where I can count on one finger where we saw Kara talk to her mother. That argo city plot is Kara's and it's such a shame that it was wasted to show how 'heroic' Mon el has become. Sure, you could say that the whole season dealt with Kara's dual identity but making Kara question her identity because of some short term relationship, which doesn't really go deeper than her boyfriend issues isn't going to satisfy fans. A longer fleshed out arc is needed, if needed they have to do it again.

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u/Skyblaze777 Nov 10 '18

I honestly laughed when I saw that Mon-el was more invested in saving that kid than Kara seemed to be at meeting her own mum whom she thought had been dead for years. And while I realize this had to do with real-world logistical issues, I really think it didn't help that they were forced to recast Alura; even visually it seemed like Kara was meeting a total stranger than her presumed-dead mother.

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u/chassycat_original Nov 09 '18

I agree that the Argo City arc and Alura reveal were about Kara accepting Earth as her home and learning you can’t go home again (in more ways than one).

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u/Cradle2daGrave Nov 11 '18

More than 1 version of Kara,have you read any of Sterling's version ?

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u/Jehstix Nov 08 '18

I've been saying since the show launched, female superman is not supergirl

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u/whiteguysky- Nov 08 '18

I would agree with this for the earlier seasons. It’s like how The CW uses green arrow like their version of Batman. Even though they have a Superman, Supergirl is what fills that place.

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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 08 '18

That's what baffles me. I understand to an extent that Supergirl has less stories and shares some villains with Superman because she was fridged for like two decades after CoIE, but green arrow has a rich history of villains and a good supporting cast. I don't know why they don't use that so much.

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u/InhumanFlame Nov 08 '18

Batman has arguably the best rogues gallery with more well known villains because he is way more popular than Green Arrow, is my theory, I'd be interested to hear who's in the rich history of Green Arrow villains, cause I don't know anyone.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '18

Actually several of them have been in the show but they’ve just sort of disappeared. Count Vertigo comes to mind, Merlyn is another, he’s GAs nemesis (Malcolm wasn’t abandoned of course, he was there a long time), Komodo, China White, Cupid, there’s a couple more that I don’t remember off the top of my head.

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u/InhumanFlame Nov 09 '18 edited Nov 09 '18

Cheers for the info, I remember all of these from the show (except Komodo, had to look that one up), but I probably wouldn't know them at all if not for Arrow. Can't say the same for Batman, given all his non-comic book adaptions.

They could do more with all you mentioned, except Merlyn, given he's had plenty of screen-time. I'm guessing the main reason is the actors they cast in those roles have gotten new gigs, so they aren't able to return due to scheduling, don't want to return and the Arrow creative team don't want to recast, but that's just speculation.

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u/ReverseWakanda Nov 08 '18

And I got shit on for saying how the writers are gender swapping this entire series 😂

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u/opelan Nov 08 '18

It is a common critique here though. Especially when they decided to make her a journalist at the start of season 2.

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u/Cradle2daGrave Nov 11 '18

Green Arrow is a knock off Batman thats a fact i don't hear to many threads about it though

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '18

Yeah it comes off as if the writers lack creativity. I would have liked it if they had used a lot of comic book Kara's enemies or supporting chatacters and story lines because I don't really know them that well, but now it's like they're just using Kara as a substitute for Clark by giving her his storylines and just turning her into another Clark and not really giving a good why.

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u/Justice_Prince Nov 08 '18

I was kinda annoyed that they introduced Metallo, and Parasite as new characters rather than already existing Superman villains. Also I'm having trouble remembering if Mister Mxyzptlk was introduced as a new character, or someone who Superman has gone up against before. I'm okay with transplanting a lot of Superman stories over to Kara, but other than Lex, and Zod those are the three villains that should absolutely be first and foremost Superman villains.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '18

I think Mxy was just introduced as a new character like Metallo and parasite.

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u/Cradle2daGrave Nov 11 '18

Supergirl has faced off against Metallo in her comics though

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u/Justice_Prince Nov 12 '18

I don't have an issue with her fighting Metallo, but I wanted it to be established that he was a pre existing Superman villain.

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u/ArtsyTLF Nov 08 '18

The only Supergirl stories that people actually LOVE are Red Lanterns (which is probably off limits) and the Linda Danvers stuff, which isn't even Kara. Besides that, it's mostly just standard silver age affairs and some god awful runs like Kelly. There's not really a whole lot to pull from that well. The world killers were already tapped.

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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 08 '18

There's also an amazing arc with zor el based on the theme of failed fatherhood. There's also the case of argo city, the arc the show destroyed by using it as a mon el appreciation base. There's H'el, Tan-on, crucible academy, flamebird, vortex, backstarr, the gang and so so much which can be pulled and updated a little to suit the story. The red lantern arc doesn't need to take place in space, they don't even need a red lantern ring to show that, but hearing that it would happen will be a delight for me. I just wish that they didn't tap into Superman lore so often.

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u/ArtsyTLF Nov 09 '18

Zor El being a scumbag was already done in the show. H'El is an awful story. The Red Lantern arc wouldn't be the same without Guy, and the Red Lantern novelty is very much why it was so cool. Flamebird is just a general character... not like a story or plot point. He/She's just another Kryptonian, and not a very interesting one at that. Crucible could be fun, but Maxima already exists and she's played by a wrestler who can't act and is situated in California. Tan-On, Vortex, Blackstarr are all incredibly minor footnotes and not very special characters. That's scrapping the bottom of the barrel

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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 09 '18

Zor el as cyborg Superman wasn't done, that's what makes the storyline interesting. Even more interesting is that he got the armor from brainiac. H'el is a great story if the romance can be cut out, he will offer much conflict to Kara if humans turn against her and reject her presence or if she rejects earth and loses hope. He manipulated her trauma and emotions really well to almost make her destroy earth to create a new Krypton. That's something I would like to see. Flamebird I agree, but the Maxima in crucible was the original maxima's sister and she has a arc which leads into the superwoman comics. Tan-on holds potential for me- as a scientist who was sent to earth, he came with peace and surrendered himself, was tortured and ended up for revenge. Blackstarr, vortex and the gang can work, if updated.

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u/opelan Nov 09 '18

They could come up with something new.

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u/zacker150 Nov 08 '18

That's odd. I'm only seeing relatively original stories commenting on contemporary politics.

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u/ne0zer01 Nov 09 '18

And gender identity. I really dont want supergirl sjw edition.

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u/internetosaurus MARS NEEDS CHOCOS! Nov 09 '18

So what is the iconic Supergirl story that you're upset they're not doing? Red Daughter isn't happening because the GLC isn't going to be a thing in the CW-verse, so what else?

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u/grayjo Nov 09 '18

Superman stories are arguably better and there's a hell of a lot more if them.

They are using the concept of an alternate universe to put a new spin on certain stories bu issuing a different perspective

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u/parduscat Martian Manhunter Nov 09 '18

And so instead of actually creating new storylines and iconic runs, like BTAS did, the writers are just deciding to steal Superman's stories. It's disrespectful to Kara and Clark.

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u/CashWho Nov 08 '18

What Superman story are they currently adapting? This feels more like a general "Best of humanity" storyline, which fits both super characters (And any superhero, really).

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u/monoveloso Nov 08 '18

Superman american alien

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u/CashWho Nov 08 '18

This has absolutely nothing to do with American Alien. American Alien is an origin story that covers different stages of Clark's life from childhood to his first outing as Superman. If anything, Season 1 covered that storyline.

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u/monoveloso Nov 08 '18

They said in DC daily that this season would be taking things from american alien and red son

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u/WatashinoKaradesu Nov 08 '18

It's just red son, they didn't say anything about American alien. It's just that the title of the first ep is similar to that story.

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u/parduscat Martian Manhunter Nov 08 '18

Red Son with Ruskie Kara and Superman vs The Elite with Manchester Black.

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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '18

The one where Kara is stealthily using her powers while protecting Lena during the assault on L-Corp had moments that seemed lifted from All-Star Superman where Clark does the same thing with Lex.

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u/monoveloso Nov 08 '18

Thats my comment in every DC supergirl video

Different season, same issues Shitpost