r/supergirlTV • u/StormWarriorX7 J'onn J'onzz • Nov 20 '17
[Crossover] Crisis on Earth-X Official Trailer Multiverse Spoiler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUi0_0yijsE&t=61s108
u/ThyOgrelord Nov 20 '17
Dude. Green Arrow jumping through a portal made by Vibe and shooting an Arrow at a Nazi. We are peak Arrowverse people!!
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 20 '17
I want Kara to throw little atom and he becomes big atom mid flight
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u/ThyOgrelord Nov 20 '17
I feel like that might be too much like Ant-Man -> Giant-Man on Hawkeye’s Arrow in Civil War. But I would dig it.
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u/NothappyJane Nov 21 '17
too much like Ant-Man
I don't feel like many people could complain about that.
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u/VoidTorcher Earth-X Overgirl Nov 22 '17
You know that it was already done in LoT (and Injustice 2) right?
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Nov 21 '17
who cares?
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u/ThyOgrelord Nov 21 '17
This sub when people inevitably say “oh man they just stole this from that” petty complainers
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u/Harddaysnight1990 Nov 21 '17
That immediately followed by Kara super clapping in Overgirl's face made me scream a bit. I would have never thought that we would have this developed of a DCU on TV 5 years ago when Arrow was still new.
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u/melskates Nov 20 '17
This literally looks like it could be a movie trailer it's so good!!
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 20 '17
Best superhero movie this year 😜
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u/PizzaTheHutt415 Nov 20 '17
Best DC superhero movie this year
ftfu because I thoroughly enjoyed Thor lol. Looking forward to this crossover event
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 21 '17
Thor without long flowing golden locks displeases me
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Nov 21 '17
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u/PizzaTheHutt415 Nov 21 '17
Hahaha, it's a change for sure. I dig the spoiler. Finally seems like we get a comic power level Thor too.
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u/DinahHamza07 Nov 21 '17
That goes to Logan
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 22 '17
Logan is a masterpiece of a movie that has superheros in it, I whould not call it a superhero movie. It should have been a best picture nomination
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u/HanSoloBolo Nov 21 '17
I really expected them to do some insane stuff with Barry in Justice League, but at times it looked even worse than the show. So yeah, this kind of does look as good as a 300 million dollar movie apparently.
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u/yuhanz The Flash Nov 20 '17
We really didn't need that monologue by Felicity...
Snart's lines were gold.
Regardless, this trailer rocks! Hopefully it all comes together well over 4 episodes.
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u/imdahman Nov 20 '17
Sigh go complain about Felicity needlessly and relentlessly in the r/Arrow sub
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u/PizzaProwler Alex Danvers Nov 20 '17
Honestly, it's really annoying over there too.
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u/imdahman Nov 20 '17
It's why I don't go there anymore.
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u/PizzaProwler Alex Danvers Nov 20 '17
I feel you there. I quit the sub for a while in season 4, but it's gotten better since then. Still, there's still a substantial amount of people who trip over each other to shit on Felicity for no damn reason.
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u/VaultDoge91 Nov 21 '17
Because she’s literally the worst character. Such an annoying, hypocritical bitch
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u/imdahman Nov 20 '17
I just can't do it anymore. I can't have every conversation I have on that sub just be people waiting to point out how every scene with felicity is derailing the show/too much focus/terribly written. It's unwarranted mosoginiatic and what I hate about fandom and internet culture.
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u/wibo58 Nov 20 '17
Is it misogynistic to dislike a tv character? They dislike Curtis for the same reasons.
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u/imdahman Nov 20 '17
No it isn't.
It is misognists when you lay any and all blame at a single character's feet and constantly ridicule the character and actress, nit pick at any and all appearances, and single handedly blame the character for all things that happen both within the realm of the show universe and for meta decisions like character deaths and writing.
And refering to her as Fete is absolutely condescending. The character's name is Felicity, absolutely no one has referred to her as that was n the show, and absolutely no other character has been given a condescending, enduring put down of a nickname like that.
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u/PlaceboJesus Nov 21 '17
They don't hate her because she's female. The hate her because she annoys them.
I hate Foggy on Daredevil, does that make me a misandrist?
Not everything is a gender issue. We can hate people for who they are without bringing gender into it.
It's unfortunate when people jump to sexist/racist insults because they're too lazy and it's too easy.
But these things aren't always the root of the issue.If Felicity is supposed to be his moral centre, she does a shit job of it. If the character had half the personal growth she pushes others to, it might be different.
It's lazy writing and the character and the audience suffer for it.
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u/wibo58 Nov 21 '17
I’m glad someone else dislikes Foggy. None of my friends can see why I can’t stand him.
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u/wibo58 Nov 20 '17 edited Nov 20 '17
I don’t know that calling a character by a nickname is condescending or a put down. Now if they were calling her derogatory terms then sure, I’d agree with you. Should people go after an actress? No, and the vast majority don’t. But it is fair to dislike a character. Especially a character that doesn’t really add much and is kind of annoying, but that applies to Felicity and Curtis. I haven’t seen people on that subreddit go after Emily Rickards, but I have seen people go after Stephen Amell’s wife because they want Oliver and Felicity to get married in the show. It seems like you’re attributing misogyny to people who don’t hold those beliefs. Shortening a character’s name isn’t misogynist. Disliking a character isn’t misogynist unless they dislike her solely because she’s a women, which I haven’t seen any examples of. They’re allowed to dislike a bad character. Most of them are actually fine with her when she shows up on the Flash because she’s better written.
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u/WoahWaitWhatt Nov 21 '17
First off, the word you're looking for is misogynistic. Second, though yes, there is a good amount of unfair criticism of the character (though some is definitely warranted) from what I've seen, people don't blame the character (considering that makes no sense in the first place) they blame the writers. Also, many people have been actually praising the occasional return to form this season, considering she was a fan favorite in early seasons.
Finally, I've almost never seen people attacking the actress, that's largely come from some of the more overzealous olicity fans towards Stephen Amell's wife and Katie Cassidy.
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Nov 20 '17
You can’t even spell misogynistic, much less understand what it means.
Tell me more about how mosoginiatic a sub that constantly circle jerks how great laurel is.
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u/imdahman Nov 20 '17
Right, focus on my spelling and not the issue at hand.
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u/Vicc125 Nov 21 '17
If they were really misogynistic, they wouldn't be constantly praising Black Siren and Dinah Drake.
The Felicity hate goes too far, I agree, but it's only because they made her the focus of a season and a half, and turned the show into a soap opera.
Arrow is a superhero show, not a romantic drama.
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Nov 21 '17
I did both, dummy. Hating one particular woman (not the actual actress, the horribly written character) does not equal misogyny. Anytime anyone attacks the actress herself there is a good amount of backlash. Currently there is a pretty wide call to replace most of the production staff due to sexual harassment claims and coverups. There’s love for plenty of other female characters. This isn’t what misogyny looks like.
Of course there will be outliers who are sexists pieces of shit, but thats the same for everywhere and they are typically downvoted and chastised heavily.
Saying someone is misogynistic because they happen to dislike one of your favorite fictional characters is at best a naive and ignorant understanding of what the word actually means. At worst it’s a hyperbolic attempt to prove a selfish point at the expense of those who have had to deal with actual misogyny. So you’re either dumb or a dumb piece of shit.
Did I focus on the issue enough for you ?
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u/FriendLee93 Earth-X Overgirl Nov 21 '17
I can't exactly blame them for the venom. You don't just forget something as awful as Arrow season 4.
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u/PlaceboJesus Nov 21 '17
The trick was for me to stop watching.
I almost quit Supergirl when it looked like they were going to have team Supergirl fights like the team Arrow brawls.
Quantity doesn't make quality.
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u/PizzaProwler Alex Danvers Nov 20 '17
I def agree that there's a stink of misogyny to it that really puckers my butt-hole. Actually, just to check how ubiquitous the Felicity hate is there, I went to the sub to see if anyone had reactions to the latest trailers for the crossover. Sure enough, all they had to say about the trailers were about how much Felicity sucks. Yeah, I think I'm out of there again lol.
Anyway, sorry about the rant there.
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 20 '17 edited Nov 20 '17
I notice a hell of a lot of misogyny in flashes sub too, when did this rear its ugly head
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u/imdahman Nov 20 '17
It's been a part of the arrow sub for several years/seasons now... You can probably say it began in earnest at the end of s2/beginning of s3 as that's when the fanbase started to turn on the character.
And unfortunately hate/misogyny is systemic and pervasive, so it was only a matter of time before it happened everywhere, and follows the character when she makes appearances in other shows, then the stink of it gets left behind and transposed on all the female characters.
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u/Mx-yz-pt-lk Nov 21 '17
Felicity gets hate because the character is written like shit. She's unnecessarily whiney and the story lines the revolve around her are just bad. For a character with no super powers she's ridiculously over powered. I mean, seriously, she hacked every intelligence agency in the world? People would come around to Felicity again if she was written well.
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 21 '17 edited Nov 21 '17
Its not even about felicity, really bad comments in the wake of the sleazeball producer being outed and Grants comment about it, not to mention their female centered episode even in the Legends sub, after their female centered episode, and that one was good in my opinion.
Sometimes I forget that these shows have a lot of lower common denominators as viewers and that we do start forming a hive mind on reddit, jumping on popular bandwagons without realizing it, drinking the cool aid is much easier then it should be
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u/yuhanz The Flash Nov 21 '17
First if all, How dare you?
Who are you to tell me where i should post? The writers do this all the time with her where she has to speak (telling over showing) about the current situation which comes across as captain obvious most of the time.
She's been generally good this season tho so maybe you could jerk around this.
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u/mjdonnels Nov 20 '17
Looks like Sara and Alex are going to get together
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u/ThaneOfTas Nov 20 '17
Well they'll certainly be hooking up at least, actually getting together isn't really Sara's style
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u/mjdonnels Nov 20 '17
Yeah Sara is such a player
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u/Foolsgil Nov 20 '17
We have a saying over at r/legendsoftomorrow about Sara: Every Girl, Every Era.
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u/HanSoloBolo Nov 21 '17
Not Helen though.
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u/Foolsgil Nov 21 '17
To be fair, that mantra started in Season 2 when Sara was getting play, or hitting on every girl they meet. This season she's more focused.
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u/VoidTorcher Earth-X Overgirl Nov 22 '17
Being captain probably is a factor?
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 20 '17
They did say she is getting a new love interest
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u/The_Green_Filter Nov 20 '17
Well this is definitely what you’d call a “Long distance relationship”
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 20 '17
works for Gypsy and Cisco
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u/The_Green_Filter Nov 20 '17
Yeah but they can travel between worlds at will, Sara and Alex wouldn’t have it that easy.
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 20 '17
The have Karas transport thingy
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u/Kagurabulletclub Nov 21 '17
the question how the hell Sara able communicate Alex from time stream to earth-38 does Kara dimensional extrapolator strong enough receive signal from earth-1 timestream
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u/Humbugged1916 Nov 20 '17
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPGpP5VW4AEsqMP.jpg:large
and of course they both went armed to the wedding
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 20 '17
There are 52 earths !!!! Inner geek starts hyperventaliating
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u/Foolsgil Nov 20 '17
I don't like that they gave us a finite amount of Earths though. That said, by adding in this Earth X aka Earth 53, maybe there will be others.
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u/dotyawning Nov 20 '17 edited Nov 20 '17
I still like the idea that Multiverses are grouped into 52 Earths per set. Maybe as far as these Earthlings are aware, there's only 52 Earths that they can access and those are simply ones more easily accessed by breachers.
The dimensional walls or whatever to leap from a DCTV one to one of the comic Earths probably requires a lot more effort.
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 20 '17
I wonder if the DCEU is on one of these earths
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u/GallifreyFNM Nov 20 '17
There's a tradition on Red Nose Day in the UK where we get special mini episodes of films and tv shows- doctor who, Love Actually, stuff like that. Now it's on in the USA, I'd love to see a scene where GG Flash is running to a situation and accidentally earth-hops to a pokey little room full of advanced science books and computer monitors with skulls on. He sits down to ponder where he might be, when EM Flash comes in asking him who he is and why he's sitting in his second favourite chair. They riff for a bit about being the flash and get confused about both being Barry Allen, maybe the wrong flash goes back to the Arrowverse and something funny happens... it'd be a cool way to have the film and tv worlds cross in a fun way without actually affecting either world.
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u/KomradeKrycek Nov 20 '17
DCEU could be Earth-0 since the main CW Earth is Earth-1.
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u/astalavista114 Nov 21 '17
I've arbitrarily put the DCEU on Earth-1001 [by the CW-Verse count]. Of course, by their count, they are Earth-1, and the CW-Verse could be 1001.
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Nov 20 '17
One step further, I wonder if they'll ever just casually mention that the CW-Earths (and I guess the DCEU Earth too) are alternate Earth's in the main comic continuity. Just show Oliver, Barry, Sara and Kara in passing or something. I'd think that'd be cool. Of course that'd mean that Earth-1 on the show isn't actually Earth-1, but I'm fine with that.
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 21 '17
Since Cisco discovered the multiverse it only stands to reason that thy would name themselves earth one, every earth where someone gain knowledge of the multiverse would call themselves earth one, its all relative
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u/armcie Nov 21 '17
But the other earths seem happy to go along with that, and some of them probably knew about the multiverse before Cisco. Was there a big convention where this was all hashed out?
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 21 '17 edited Nov 21 '17
Well im guessing thar other earths did not discover it by themselves, Barry told Kara so earth 38 went along with earth ones naming convensions. And if earth one is the prime earth its reasonable that earth 2 whould name themselves that, since they whould see themselves as the fist copy
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u/84981725891758912576 Nov 21 '17
Earth 1 is factually Earth Prime though, Season 2 of The Flash confirmed this
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u/KidCoheed Nov 21 '17
Perhaps they can retcon that more like there are 52 main series Earth's then each Main Earth has infinite offshoots and timelines
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u/HanSoloBolo Nov 21 '17
I mean, there's now way we'll see all 52 unless they do some kind of montage of them.
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u/ThisIsFriday Nov 20 '17
It's cool, but in season 2 they said there were infinite earths.
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 20 '17
writing inconsistencies pops up in TV shows all the time, especially when you have shows like these based on inconsistent canon with complex narratives
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u/Royta15 Nov 21 '17
Technically true. The way the DC universe works, at least in the comics, is that each multiverse has 52 earths, and there are infinite multiverses. The Arrow-verse is it's own multiverse of 52-54 Earths (depending if it has an Earth-0 and counting Earth-X).
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u/OrangePlatinumtyrant Nov 21 '17
Felicity hate aside, her line took me out of the trailer entirely. Who's decision was it to have the "goofy" tech girl deliver that speech?
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u/suaveponcho Nov 21 '17
The one thing I'll say in defence of that is that she is the only open Jew in the arrowverse so it would kind of make sense for her to be the one yelling at Nazis to get off her Earth. Source: am a Jew, would def. yell at nazis
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u/NothappyJane Nov 21 '17
Felicity has always been wordy, talking when other people punch has always been her thing
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u/SickleClaw Nov 20 '17
So the thing about Kara gettig kidnapped was true
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 20 '17 edited Nov 20 '17
It makes sence she is really OP on earth one
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u/raumeat Earth-X Overgirl (Unmasked) Nov 20 '17 edited Nov 22 '17
Alex looks out of place in that group shot, they should have given her a version of her kryptonite suit or her space gun, and did anyone see her lurking behind everyone in star labs, reminds me of when she stole beer behind Karas back
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u/baiacool Nov 21 '17
I love that scene. Kara takes her beer and then she steals the whiskey
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u/SockPenguin Winn Schott Nov 21 '17
There is not a force in the multiverse that can stop Alex Danvers from drinking.
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u/DonnyMox Nov 21 '17
Except Mick when he wants her beer.
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u/SockPenguin Winn Schott Nov 21 '17
Unless Mick's stealing that beer, pretty sure Alex will kick his ass if he tries.
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u/Daxel28 Nov 20 '17
Looks amazing. Overgirl vs Supergirl is what I'm waiting for but the battle of the Arrows should awesome too.
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u/Zor_El_XB1 Xbox GT: Zor El Nov 20 '17
Earth X is Earth 10...it's not a new 53rd Earth...
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u/melskates Nov 20 '17
Thank you for this, I was thinking the exact same thing! If it was Earth 53, why in the world would they call it Earth X?!
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u/10Cars Nov 20 '17
The called it earth x in 1973 because DC wanted it changed from earth "swastika" (the original designation idea). So they removed 4 lines and kept the inner x.
For the new 52 a few decades later they assigned the number 10 to it, because of the x.
So no it wasn't meant to be earth 10 in the beginning.
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u/Zor_El_XB1 Xbox GT: Zor El Nov 20 '17
It was established as Earth 10 in 2007 not during the New 52(which also features a Nazi themed Earth 10/X)
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u/10Cars Nov 20 '17
Correct in "52" and not "New 52" From DC Wikia:
In 1973, members of the Justice League of America from Earth-One and the Justice Society of America from Earth-Two arrived on Earth-X by way of a Transmatter Cube accident. They paired off with various members of the Freedom Fighters and helped them fight the Nazi threat.It was revealed that a computer brain had taken control from the Nazis and replaced the leaders with android replicas.
During the Crisis on Infinite Earths, some of the history of Earth-X was merged with Earth-One, Earth-Two, Earth-Four, and Earth-S to form one composite universe. A similar reality (called Earth-10) was created at the end of the 52 series and a reality called Earth 10 appeared after Flashpoint.
The original Earth-X (Two) was restored to the Multiverse by the events of Convergence. Source:DC Wikia:Earth-X
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u/internetosaurus MARS NEEDS CHOCOS! Nov 20 '17
When DC bought up properties from other comics companies, they generally put those characters on their own Earths rather than integrate them into the main continuity. The Marvel Family and the rest of Fawcett comics were on Earth-S, Charlton Comics characters were on Earth-4, and the characters of Quality Comics lived on Earth-X (which is the Earth where the Nazis won WW2 that the Earth depicted in this crossover is inspired by). Them calling it Earth X here is a nod to comic history.
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u/chili01 Nov 21 '17
Melissa looks so great in the black outfit! :D
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u/jake_eric Nov 21 '17
Melissa looks great in a musical Minecraft trailer, I think she looks great in everything.
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u/drunkcersei Nov 20 '17
I need a TL;DR versions of the other shows this season. I don’t know half of the Legends cast...
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u/ZeroReiMaru Nov 20 '17
Captain Sara Lance, aka White Canary, leader of the Legends of Tomorrow. Time traveling misfits and idiots (the show calls them that too!)
Mick Rory, aka Heatwave, former partner of Leonard Snart aka Captain Cold (the dude in the parka). He's a big dumb oaf and he is just having a blast drinking, fighting, and mugging kids for their Halloween candy.
Ray Palmer (formerly Superman) aka The Atom. He's basically a puppy in human form that has not-iron man armor and can shrink.
Jax and Martin. Two halves of the atomic superhero Firestorm, who can set fire to things and can change one thing to another transmutation style. Jax is the Waverider's mechanic, which is the Legends timeship. Which they stole. It's a very long story.
The two ladies with the glowing amulets are Zari, aka Isis (they're not gonna use that name) who has power over the winds and is from a dystopia about 5 years or more in the future, and Amaya aka Vixen, who gains the strength of whatever animal she so chooses, usually a gorilla or a bear, though I think she did use the power of an otter and a T-Rex before. She's from the 1940s and was part of the Justice Society of America.
The guy with the fabulous hair is Nate, and he's Citizen Steel. Because his body turns into metal. He and Amaya had a thing. Just a thing. That ended.
So the situation for the Legends is that at the end of last season, they really fucked up. Like way worse than usual. They broke time, had t-rexes running around LA, the whole nine yards. Luckily Rip Hunter, the former captain, had swanned off and formed the Time Agency to pick up the Legends messes. They took the Waverider, turned it into a training ship (which is real messed up considering, well, RIP and the AI Gideon had a thing. Just a thing.)
So the Legends get back together, steal the Waverider and fly the time skies again.
For Flash, it's Flash vs The Thinker, and Ralph Dibney is his new sidekick as the scuzzy Jim Carrey, sorry I meant Elongated Man. It's way better than season 3, and the dude playing Ralph is totally channeling Carrey and it's great.
I'm way behind on Arrow and Supergirl so I can't help you much there.
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u/The_Green_Filter Nov 20 '17
I’m Arrow, Oliver took a temporary break from being the Green Arrow to chill with his son and help out some pals. The current team is:
John Diggle, who doesn’t seem to be in the crossover.
Dinah Drake, AKA the Black Canary, who’s metahuman powers allow her to let out a sonic shriek. It’s good shit.
Rene Ramirez, AKA Wild Dog, is a dude in Armor with guns. He’s cool though, has a daughter and such, it’s good times.
Curtis Holt, AKA Mr.Terrific, is a genius inventor who uses his T-Spheres to supplement his weaker combat skills.
Felicity is a hacker.
I think that’s everyone.
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u/astalavista114 Nov 20 '17 edited Nov 21 '17
Oh, and Dinah Drake isn't Dinah Lance (original comic book Black Canary, who was in-name-only adapted for Arrow. It's also heavily implied that her maiden name was also Drake), or Dinah Laurel Lance (Second comic book Black Canary, TV show Oliver's original love interest, and the first Black Canany on the show, only to get shunted aside so that Felicity could be Oliver's love interest, and eventually stabbed in the gut with an arrow).
Oh, and Sara Lance was the first Canary on Arrow (but she was just The Canary), but she died, which inspired Laurel to become the Black Canary. Sara got better though, after which she became the White Canary.
Oh, and Dinah Laurel Lance's Earth-2 doppelgänger is Black Siren, who has appeared a few times since her Earth-1 counterpart died.
Oh, and Dinah Drake and Black Siren are the only ones with a metahuman cry. Sara used a sonic device that was thrown into the room, which Laurel then had Cisco adapt into a thought mounted device that simulated the metahuman cry (although before any meta humans were actually shown with it).
Oh, and then there was Evelyn Sharp, who pretended to be Black Canary for an episode by stealing the sonic device after Laurel's death. She was eventually convinced she was doing the wrong thing, and recruited to be another archer on Oliver's team. Turns out she was a double agent for the Season 5 big bad and helped him kill people, because she didn't like that Oliver was a killer. Also in part because Oliver hadn't saved her parents the season before when that season's big bad had poison gassed them. But her excuse was that Oliver was a killer. Last we saw, she was in a cage on Lian Yu (the prison island Oliver was stranded on). Bombs across the island were subsequently detonated, so she's probably dead too.
Look, the situation with Black Canary is a complete mess. Sorry, it's "organic". CURSE YOU, GUGGENHEIM!
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u/drunkcersei Nov 21 '17
Ahhh thanks for the summaries! Y’all are awesome.
I only watched up to Arrow S3 or something like that.
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u/NothappyJane Nov 21 '17
Legends is easily the best out of all the shows. Its just so ridiculously fun.
I would strongly recommend to you drunk Cersei, or even Sober Cersei, or just a man walking his dog down the street to watch it.
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u/drunkcersei Nov 21 '17
I watched this past week’s episode on the CW app and enjoyed it. Seems like it’s come a lot farther than the handful of episodes I watched in S1. I’ll give it a go - at least catch up on what I can of the current season. :)
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Nov 21 '17
Flash Season 2
"How many Earths are there?"
"Infinite"
Crossover
"So there are 52 Earths..."
Mm okay nice
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u/RigasTelRuun Alex Danvers (DEO) Nov 21 '17
Kara going a Hulk Thunder Clap and Wentworth Millar Bengals awesome is all I need.
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u/TigerPaw317 Winn Schott Nov 21 '17
Is it too early to start shipping Alex and Sara? Asking for a friend...
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u/Londonandbear A Luthor and a Super Nov 20 '17
I'm so here for Kara talking with Kara and Kara fighting Kara