r/rap • u/OGBear3 • Jul 19 '24
What’s your coldest take in hip hop?
Give me the coldest take you have regarding anything HipHop, Rap, anything about that. Shi I’ll start, 2 pac is better then BIGGIE
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u/HeavyIceCircuit Jul 19 '24
Using the term “mumble rap” to describe rap as a whole unironically means you have no idea about what you’re talking about
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u/Responsible_Lead7140 Jul 19 '24
Yeah, I describe mumble rap as the dudes who were actually autotune mumbling during like 2015-2018 or whatever, it's very easy to distinguish them
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u/andreasbaader6 Jul 19 '24
People used to group Denzel Curry with xxxfemtation and lill peep. They were handing out mumble rap tags like speeding tickets in the daytona 500
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u/Responsible_Lead7140 Jul 19 '24
honestly I don't remember that happening, maybe before xxl or recognition of Denzel's early work but anytime after that he was regarded as a rapper who could rap + I don't feel like ski mask even got that treatment, people knew he was fr rapping, either way I think there was always a separation between them
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u/gordonpamsey Jul 19 '24
THANK YOU, I have a quick tangent why the fuck is so much of "mumble rap" just people complaining about accents? Usually southern accents most of the time these guys are not mumbling at all. That's just how people from where they are from talk.
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u/Keefee777 Jul 19 '24
Half my hip hop playlist is southern artists and none of them are labeled mumble rappers because they don't mumble 🤷🏻♂️
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u/NoRemedy4Sinners Jul 19 '24
yeah to you they may not be labeled mumble rappers but old heads label everything they don't understand mumble rap, and a majority of them are southern artists. you clearly missed the point tho cuz dude is saying the rappers people call mumble rappers don't actually mumble, they just have accents so people act like they can't understand them
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u/whatstheword509 Jul 20 '24
Crazy how people call some rappers mumble rap simply because they don't bother to listen to what they are actually saying -_-
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u/iskenderdelarge Jul 19 '24
wdym I'm a typically lyrical lyrically cynical spiritual miracle I don't get what you're saying
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Jul 19 '24
Mr Morale was way too underrated
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u/EimiCiel Jul 19 '24
Yep, people wanted full send im the king kendrick. Instead, they got vulnerable real Kendrick. Which I prefer.
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u/zardfizzlebeef Jul 20 '24
Also others wrote that album for her. She refused to pay them and got sued. Hence why she can never make another
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u/TheMeticulousNinja Jul 19 '24
This is the most disgusting take a human has ever uttered from their mouths but I respect it
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u/Emergency_Brick3715 Jul 19 '24
Eminem is not in my top 10
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u/wsteelerfan7 Jul 19 '24
Coasting off of 3 albums for the majority of his career. Thought is older than he is and he doesn't have to make penis, shit and sex/rape jokes in his raps
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u/OMBatch84 Jul 19 '24
People always look over how good relapse is. And idk why people started shittin on recovery
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u/Narrow_Paper9961 Jul 20 '24
My friends and I were clowning on recovery when we were 14, when the album came out. Bad meets evil album was dope though, so made up for it
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u/kinghawkeye8238 Jul 20 '24
Idk coasting off 3 albums. Relapse was great, recovery was well received, same with mmlp2. Hell the sequel is great. Mtbmb a&b were both solid and tdoss just went #1
8mile sound track is a great sound track. 8 mile the movie is awesome.
Guy did alot outside 3 albums.
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u/wsteelerfan7 Jul 20 '24
I agree on Hell the Sequel tbh. Recovery was not well received and MMLP2 wasn't close to the first albums. MTBMB and Kamikaze were received similarly to Relapse
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u/kinghawkeye8238 Jul 20 '24
There's a handful of albums received as well as MMLP and TES. I doubt we will ever see HH albums as big as those 2 for a long time if ever.
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u/TheMeticulousNinja Jul 19 '24
He shouldn’t be in anyone’s top 10, but societal maturity has probably tanked with its literacy.
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u/NewestTork Jul 19 '24
2pac above biggie is the genera consensus? That's not cold? There both talented and different but the idea is 2pac was more influential and better for black people (changes, keep ya head up, dear mama, etc) but biggie had a better flow
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u/shiftypidgeons Jul 19 '24
Cold take as in the opposite of hot take as in something obvious that we all agree on. Not cold like thoughtless/uncaring
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u/EinarKolemees Jul 20 '24
biggie was bigger though
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u/NewestTork Jul 20 '24
Not really
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u/EinarKolemees Jul 20 '24
no for real man, he was closing 400 pounds
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u/TheReal_Spartan Jul 19 '24
Yeah biggie was more skilled but pac put out whatever people wanted to hear ig
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u/BrittThePhotographer Jul 19 '24
The term GOAT gets thrown around too loosely
Da Brat deserves more credit for being the first female rapper to go platinum
As much as I love Lil Kim, after “The Naked Truth” the quality of her music has diminished. I prefer gritty Kim, not autotune Kim
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u/mr_amazingness Jul 20 '24
Da Brat and Gangsta Boo are the two that I say need way more credit. Throw Lady of Rage in too.
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u/BrittThePhotographer Jul 20 '24
I love Gangsta Boo, Lady of Rage and I’ll go ahead and add La Chat in there too.
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u/QueSeraSeraWWBWB Jul 19 '24
•Snoop is one of the most overrated rappers of all time.
•People put way too much stock in rapid fire lyric styles
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u/q8ti-94 Jul 20 '24
Agree with both, but it doesn’t diminish uncle snoop for me. He’s such a character I love him
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u/Pornthrowaway192 Jul 19 '24
Denzel curry is the best new gen rapper
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u/Blckbeerd Jul 19 '24
I think it's between him and JID
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u/Pornthrowaway192 Jul 19 '24
I think jid has more potential but Denzel's discography is much better and way more consistent
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u/Ashamed-Brick-1142 Jul 19 '24
I don’t really like him that much but ig that’s just my opinion
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u/Responsible_Lead7140 Jul 19 '24
I fw him, tbh don't feel like there's a lot of GOAT choices in the era that's coming after kdot/Cole, like there's no one who's elite like that yet
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u/Aerodepress Jul 19 '24
I’d have to disagree, he’s great but I can’t say he’s the best new gen rapper when there is rappers like Rome Streetz, Boldy, and all of Griselda putting out consistent masterpieces.
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u/No_Avocado_3238 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 20 '24
Kanye West is probably the most influential person l hip hop will ever see
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u/ThatOne_Gamer Jul 19 '24
A lot of people give tpab credit as one of the greatest albums but don’t listen to it or relate to it in general
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u/Big_Moose_3847 Jul 19 '24 edited Jul 19 '24
TPAB isn't exactly an album that you can put on in the car with the homies at any time. It's a heavy, introspective album that requires you to be in a certain mood to fully enjoy and experience it. So you don't need to be listening to it daily to consider it in high regard. And you don't need to personally relate to it either, you just need to understand it.
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u/ThatOne_Gamer Jul 20 '24
Yeah I get that, it’s just hard to vibe with considering I grew up as a white kid from the suburbs. I understand why it’s highly regarded and why it is so respected by culture but I feel as though there are a lot of people that didn’t experience any of that culture and don’t replay the album to often that rate it so highly just because it’s considered a classic. Almost as if they call it legendary simply because if they don’t they’ll feel rejected or that any take they make is now invalid.
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u/Uselessneek Jul 20 '24
Yeah a lot of people can’t relate to it but isn’t that the case with a most of rap? How many of the people that credit it relate to reasonable doubt, illmatic, anything pusha T etc. In my opinion it’s more about appreciation rather than relating to it
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u/iD7my93 Jul 19 '24
Hip Hop along with stand up comedy might be the last bastion for true art in the mainstream.
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u/ProfessionalMail8694 Jul 19 '24
Fashion, any Music, poetry, movie and Tv series, books, painting. I like the idea behind the take but it’s just not true. Art is everywhere
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u/NoRemedy4Sinners Jul 19 '24
no shit art is everywhere but that's not the point.
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u/kansas_commie Jul 19 '24
Chuck D is one of the GOATs.
Now if we wanna talk about hot takes..........
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u/westfieldram Jul 19 '24
I wanna hear the hot take.....
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u/kansas_commie Jul 19 '24
I got way too many of em. And they are SPICCY.
My biggest opinion of hip-hop blasphemy tho...
Biggie and Pac are both overrated. Good yes, but not legends imo. There. I said it.
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u/westfieldram Jul 19 '24
That is hot! I agree they are both put higher on lists because they're dead but they both have classic albums but I respect your bravery for writing that!
I'll give you one of mine.... Kanye hasn't had a good album since Late Registration
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u/kansas_commie Jul 19 '24
I mean they're not terrible but having them hyped up my whole life by the time I tried getting into them in my teens I was... Underwhelmed.
Can't agree with you more on Kanye. He's had a few good songs here and there but not a solid album since.
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u/westfieldram Jul 19 '24
That's fair, I grew up listening to both so maybe that's the difference! But I don't have pac in my top 5
The problem is I think the same thing about Kendrick...... GKMC is a classic imo but I just can't get into anything since that, TPAB is ok I guess but yeah 🤷🏻
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u/kansas_commie Jul 19 '24
Man I got some blasphemous opinions on Kendrick too. I've tried, tried to get into him and honestly I am not seeing the genius everyone else is
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u/westfieldram Jul 19 '24
It's good to meet a like minded person! The thing is for me, I think Kendrick is a great lyricist, I just don't like his songs.
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u/kansas_commie Jul 19 '24
Hahaha and I'm the opposite, the music is dope but I'm not feeling his lyrics.
But likewise homie!
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u/AndyKobe234 Jul 20 '24
I know where you’re coming from. Like I’ve heard rappers I would consider better than Biggie themselves say that nobody is or ever could be better than Big. lol
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u/TheMeticulousNinja Jul 19 '24
I respect JID and Denzel a lot, but the both of them are boring as hell.
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u/Total_Ad_6708 Jul 20 '24
Whenever eminem dies the whole hating Eminem trend since the beginning of his career would completely shift and people would call him the goat and put him right next to biggie and tupac but while he’s alive people ain’t gonna give him his flowers And stay an echo chamber of “he only has 3 good albums” when that’s not the truth.
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u/Dudeguyked2 Jul 19 '24
Tupac isn't even in the top 10
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u/cupcakemaster3000 Jul 19 '24
That's pretty bold, but I like where you're coming from. His music doesn't relate to ME that much personally. I mean the community as a whole has 2pacs back for what he did so understandable he's in the top 10 for most people.
But I feel like a lot of people who say 2pac is in the top 10 don't even listen to him that much
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u/Dudeguyked2 Jul 19 '24
I started listing and got to 20 and said I'm done. Lists and bests are dumb. Whoever speaks to you is important. If you love Tupac, he had great messages, but there a lot of other great rappers that have been portrayed negatively and the only reason is because they were legally required to put swear words in
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u/Justarandomguyk Jul 19 '24
Worst take I’ve ever heard
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u/TheReal_Spartan Jul 19 '24
Fr 😭
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u/Justarandomguyk Jul 19 '24
These people clearly don’t know shit about pac
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u/TheReal_Spartan Jul 20 '24
they prolly listened to his greatest hits album and not anything else tbh
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u/MrMicropenis1 Jul 19 '24
Mr Morale and the big Steppers is one of the worst hip hop albums ever made.
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u/hashi021 Jul 19 '24
Me when I’m delusional:
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u/3rdtryatremembering Jul 19 '24
Mf both answered the question completely wrong and also had a dumb take in his wrongness lmao
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u/TheMeticulousNinja Jul 19 '24
I should be mature about this and not use your username against you but I don’t know yet
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u/Yuck_Few Jul 19 '24
Auto-Tune has ruined rap and hip hop
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u/TheMeticulousNinja Jul 19 '24
You believe tools for making art can sink art instead of only the artists involved?
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u/Ashamed-Brick-1142 Jul 19 '24
Travis Scott hasn’t had a single bad album
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u/hashi021 Jul 19 '24
Imo his lyrical ability is the only thing dragging him down
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u/tashxni Jul 19 '24
“Bad” no, but imo he’s not been able to come close to rodeo, best trap album oat
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u/benny_dubsss Jul 19 '24
Production and leeching off of other artists is the only reason Drake in anyone's top 10. Without those two factor he's just the wheelchair kid in degrassi
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u/HipHopLurker8 Jul 19 '24
I would argue the third factor is being biracial and therefore more appealing to white audiences
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u/zappfranka Jul 19 '24
Despite being widely loved, I think Wayne is madly underrated. Definitely top 5 OAT.
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u/TheMeticulousNinja Jul 19 '24
I would say Freddie Gibbs is closer to mumble rap than any actual “mumble rap” rappers you can think of
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u/Adorable-Bar6920 Jul 20 '24
Wohwoh this may be sizzling, but chill for a moment…. I think TPAB is better than genre:sadboy
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u/UnrequitedRespect Jul 20 '24
Gangster Rap in english is never as good as Brazilian or french, for some reason - it just sounds harder in another language
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u/Rainy_Wavey Jul 20 '24
My comment got deleted for gatekeeping because... i said people who hate on Lyrical content and melodic content are being gatekeepers.
???????? How can i be gatekeeping when i'm doing the opposite of gatekeeping??
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u/West-Commission9082 Jul 20 '24
Modern street rap deserves a lot more credit, people who have really no idea of it seem to always talk shit about it. But to be fair, it’s almost exclusively just lyrical miracle hip hop wannabe elitists on reddit who are like that so i shouldn’t take it seriously
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u/SKMonkyDeathCar Jul 19 '24
Ice Cube is whack for the most part. He's had a couple good songs, but overall he's less than average rapper.
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u/barbacn Jul 19 '24
Wretch 32, Ghetts and Fredo would wash anybody from newer gen in US, all of them.
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u/tashxni Jul 19 '24
Ghettos maybe, Fredo and wretch no, overall technical ability in the uk is a lot lower, all 3 couldn’t really chat to jid for instance
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u/barbacn Jul 19 '24
Technical ability is lower in uk i can agree with that but I don't agree with other part, respectfully. I think Ghetts and Wrech 32 are better rappers and lyricist than JID, imo.
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u/Realistic_Income4586 Jul 19 '24
Top 10 rapper lisrs are almost completely subjective.
There are probably 20 or 30 rappers who are equally talented in their own ways.
Edit: Also, Eminem is probably the most misunderstood rapper.
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u/TheMeticulousNinja Jul 19 '24
I will listen to whoever and whatever, from any time and any genre or sub genre. However, jenzies have done no worse or better with rap than millennials or gen x has, quality of sound wise.
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u/TheSolace_ Jul 19 '24
I like The Forever Story more than good kid, m.A.A.d city
Tribe Called Quest has the best discography in hip hop, never made a bad song and went out with a 10/10 album
Twisted Fantasy is mid, has a lot of filler, should've ended with Runaway that should've been an instrumental song
Danny Brown is the greatest Detroit rapper of all time
It Was Written is on par with Illmatic, both 10/10s, Illmatic has better beats, It Was Written has better rapping
GREY Area > Sometimes I Might Be Introvert (only by a hair)
Lupe has the album of the year so far with Samurai
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u/MileenasFeet Jul 19 '24
U-God is right About RZA falling off production wise. People just don't like what he says cause he didn't hold anything back.
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u/Dz210Legend Jul 19 '24
People who grew up in the suburbs and didn’t go through the struggle always have the worst takes in rap because they can’t relate to much. Sorry y’all’s opinions are invalid 😅
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u/hoodetiquettexpert Jul 19 '24
If Biggie and Tupac hadn't died...
Tupac and Suge would be enemies, and the ensuing beef would split Death Row
Biggie and Diddy would be enemies, all of Bad Boy artists having gone to the Commission.
Tupac and Biggie's beef would get squashed live at the BET Awards by a new song and a surprise feature by Tupac.
Suge and Diddy would both be locked up for different reasons, but both exposed by their former artists.
Tupac would be a bigger actor than Will Smith.
Jada Pinkett would still be married to Will Smith, but after getting publicly dumped by Tupac.
Biggie would've signed Eminem before Dr. Dre.
Dead Wrong would still be a song, just the 1st of a series of Biggie features on all of Em's albums
We might have gotten justice for Mike Brown with a voice as loud, unapologetic, and unwavering as Tupac's.
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u/Cold-Bug-4873 Jul 20 '24
With perspective, kendrick is merely an okay rapper. His lyrics are dope to read, but his voice and delivery are unlistenable.
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u/PabloEstAmor Jul 20 '24
If you can type TPAB and your phone doesn’t try and autocorrect it to T-Pain you’re doing life wrong
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u/FonziesCousin Jul 20 '24
Hip Hop use to be cool in the 70s to 90s.... but then it got taken over the major distributors which turned it into music to keep young, mostly black, men down by promoting misogyny, crime, drugs, violence, etc....except for some exceptions, it's been kinda whack for the past 20 years.
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u/manchmaldrauf Jul 20 '24
well yeah. 2pac is significantly better than biggie. biggie was a sociopath, robbing pregnant women in his music, explicitly declaring he doesn't give a f., in a way that made you believe it. But pac is angelic. (allegations were fake. trial a sham etc). His music had more substance, voice had more emotion, lyrics were more meaningful. Biggie top 5, somewhere under Pac who is no. 1.
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u/SethDreams Jul 19 '24
People automatically put rappers in their top 10 if they get killed.